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  •  The key phrase being "underfunded budget" (10+ / 0-)

    Which is almost 100% to be laid on the feet of the Koch Kongress of Krazy commonly known as the GOP. Hell yeah, I went their. Prove me wrong.

    GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:00:53 PM PDT

    •  The strategy is to underfund vital parts of the (2+ / 0-)
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      Team Leftie, bobcat41702

      government, and then when they have problems to blame government and replace by profit making giant corporations that have much less accountability.  
      This works very well for the bad guys.
      Time to follow how much money the VA requested and how much it got, and who was responsible.  

    •  Dead on (0+ / 0-)

      It's a little sad that that's the only really good thing on the comic.  

      "Let's start two wars, one which only makes sense in a NeoCon wet dream, borrow the money for both of them, but we'll get lots of support on the 'military spending is always right' conservative side of the aisle.  And then, when all of those troops come home with PTSD after seeing a buddy blown up by a roadside bomb or RPG, we'll hold down VA spending!  And when the consistently under-funded VA predictably crashes under the weight of all of those new claims with no extra funds, we can claim that government always fails!!!"

      I suppose they're being consistent though, in a twisted way.  Support our troops - but when they're former troops, they no longer give a hoot about them, and they're some kind of welfare case.   There's a new ribbon for you, "Support our Troops - Fund the VA!"

  •  VA (10+ / 0-)

    The wholly-owned subsidiary of Koch Industries, the GOP, is just licking its chops at the idea of destroying the VA. It is a long-standing example of Single Payer healthcare and its customers/patients like it, warts and all. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO HARD TO GET AN APPOINTMENT! It isn't perfect, there are lots of things to fix, but it is wildly popular w/vets. Again, that's why it's so hard to get an appointment b/c it has lots of repeat business and satisfied customers! Were it not true the place would have no patients and getting an appointment would not be difficult! The GOP needs to destroy any examples of single payer, government run, socialism, whatever you want to call it, or "the peasants" might get ideas about spreading such concepts to other areas of the economy, not the least of which is the for-profit healthcare system the rest of us are saddled with.

    •  If some reports are correct... (1+ / 0-)
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      raspberryberet

      there was a profit motive for admin to delay the care of some vets... bonus money to lie & fudge treatments.. ahh, the carrots.. what really caused these deaths was a policy & compliance to policy instead of the care for human life. can we actually get those specifics? likely not.

      there are other things yet to be uncovered too. all before Shinseki... which imho the guy needs to stay & work to correct the course... but we all know not to expect reason, truth, logic, etc. from anbody in the GOP... (usually i'll give some of the pricks credit.. not today).. especially dick burr. if only they could have funded this earlier? i just watched someone i dearly love die because primarily lack of funds.

      this happens in all healthcare related facilities every damn day. saving lives is a tough business which shouldn't be a business. i see many conflicts of financializations.

      we can spend ~$25B upgrading to EMR but we cannot get sick or injured people the the timely care they need to get on with their lives the best they can? what a waste of human capital.

      nice chart though... i've been in all boxes of that flow chart but the bottom right... i have time still, i think, to cover that section too?

      one other thing, you might be accurate in your assessment about the socialized experience though. which prompted this long babbling comment.

  •  Sorry the system doesn't have time for previous (6+ / 0-)

    veterans.

    Its too busy trying to come up with ways to create new ones. I wonder what the cost of all that depleted uranium ammo used in the Iraq war in relation to what is put aside to take care of our soldiers when they return. I bet the average soldier used more money in ammo than the average veteran uses in VA benefits.

    Here take all the bullets you want but don't expect us to have money left over for a psychologist. This is an issue that just irks the hell out of me. We start BS wars and ruin young American lives in the process, but can't find the funds to help those who sacrificed their well being for us.

    Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:14:49 PM PDT

  •  Considering chronic under-funding, the VA (4+ / 0-)

    has taken care of really a lot of veterans in a way that is more coordinated (and possibly more effective) than in most of our fragmented health system.

    For instance the VA pioneered the use and benefits of an electronic medical record over paper charts, and is still a leader in leveraging the power of that data.  And because they not only prescribe but dispense meds, they can do amazing calculations on refill rates and detect things like folks who should NOT be escalated to a stronger drug because the data shows they never really took the weaker drug in the first place.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:24:47 PM PDT

  •  Basically, WYFP? (0+ / 0-)

    Dumbest cartoon of the day.

    •  The criticisms have a grain of truth (3+ / 0-)

      but are suddenly amplified to serve a GOP agenda:  All government bad, government health care worse.  

      Personally I'll wait to hear the allegations of secret waiting lists substantiated, before I rush to judgement.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:38:19 PM PDT

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  •  Let's get this done, (1+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim

    and let's do it before these kids need VA care.

    LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:51:07 PM PDT

  •  Had to tip for Clippy (5+ / 0-)

    Which Office was that from?  95?

  •  Perfect. (0+ / 0-)

    "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

    by GreenMother on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:28:57 PM PDT

  •  Demonizing the VA (4+ / 0-)

    In order to privatize it.  

  •  Getting Good Care (5+ / 0-)

    I am currently getting good care at the VA in Salt Lake. My brother-in-law reports that he gets excellent care in Des Moines. I know there are problems in the system,  nationwide. Phoenix has been cited as one, and after WWII the system was allowed to deteriorate and did very poorly with the influx of Vietnam wounded. The Va Medical System is underfunded and overburdened. Whose "fault"? Who allocates funds, passes budgets? Just follow the money. Today modern trauma medicine is saving many, many lives that would have been lost earlier. This creates even more burden on the VA. Don't start the war if you won't pay the bill.

  •  Shouldn't there also be a box (0+ / 0-)

    for the unknown unknown soldiers?

    Ronald McRumsfeld surely thinks so, the asshole buddy of Soaring Eagle Asscough.

    "You think this is bad. This ain't bad.," said the hobo to Billy Pilgrim on the train to Auschwitz in Slaughterhouse Five.

    by drfaustroll on Thu May 29, 2014 at 02:48:15 PM PDT

  •  The best way in my opinion to fix the problems at (3+ / 0-)

    VA is to fix them not do another vain study and hearing this thing to death and then not make the necessary changes.  At the bottom of this is to fund the VA adequately so they have the staff to handle all the vets entering their system and that the facilities either hospitals or clinics are accessible to the vets where they are needed.  The lying on waiting lists is wrong but that is not the problem; that was a stupid way to hide the deficiencies.  A few more courageous whistle blowers would have helped bring this out earlier.  If there is blame to go around it lay in Congress who has not funded the VA adequately and then didn't do their job of overseeing the agency.  I'm sure their constituents have been contacting them over the years about their problems with the VA.  I would like to see their constituents correspondence to them asking for help.  i'm sure we would be amazed at how much they knew about this before the shit hit the fan.

  •  Sad bunch of fools (1+ / 0-)
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    enufenuf

    I have never understood the need for VA hospitals to care for vets. Why weren't the cases referred to private facilities for care? But I guess somewhere deep in government bureaucracies a plan was hatched to screw our soldiers over; and it has been that way since we first had a military.

    But now, now, the GOtP has another ridiculous means to start a scandal; one which they contributed to by their cutting VA funds three months ago. But then everything they do or do not do is Obama's fault.
    This they call governing; what a sad bunch of fools they are.
    The fix is to vote them out.

    No country can be both ignorant and free - Thomas Jefferson

    by fjb on Thu May 29, 2014 at 04:35:41 PM PDT

    •  Most VA hospitals do a good job. (1+ / 0-)
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      enufenuf

      The doctors and nurses aren't in it for the money.  The people doing this are in administration.  That is the part that needs fixed.  I have delt with the VA since the early 80's.  It has never been fast at deciding cases or getting first appointments.  Once you are in the system, things generally improve.  When my husband went into the system in 88, he got caught up in the then culture of the VA where everything was treated by a pill, usually something like Valium, or a pain killer.  They were pushing pills to get vets out the door, not better.  My husband had unlimited valium, darvon, and antidepressants but no real treatment for a decade or more.  I watched his health spiral downward, he kept going to the VA and eventually it almost cost him his life.  He is a 100% service connected disabled vet who could have been helped early on if he had been given proper care.  However, things have improved, some during the Clinton era, some during Bush, much more since Obama.  His care now is first rate, pain killers are much better controled, every medicine is repeatedly scrutinized to see if it is effective or needed and he is getting excellant care.  Had he gotten it earlier, he may not be as bad off.  I worry about all the young men and women I see at the VA, hope they don't have to fight the battles we have for care.  I once saw a young man, maybe early twenties, being lead around by his elderly father.  The young man had half his head gone.  He acted like a walking ghost, barely alive.  The devistation these wars have wrecked are heart renching.  I knew when they started what would happen with the VA, and it has.  The VA does alot of things good.  Without it, there would likely be nothing.  Private insurance, before Obamacare, would not have taken care of them, Preexisting conditions, you know, and most policys have exemptions for coverage for war.  When I hear about privatazation, I shudder. No, it isn't perfect, but it is better than the nothing vets might have.  

    •  VA funding has increased (0+ / 0-)

      in current dollars, every year since 1986.  

      Have those increases been enough to provide for all the needs?  Not. Even. Close.

      He was often wrong, but never in doubt.

      by Holgar on Sat May 31, 2014 at 10:38:06 PM PDT

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  •  Time for the Repugnuts to pay the piper (2+ / 0-)
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    meinoregon, enufenuf

    The longer this goes on the more people are pointing at the GOP and saying that you started 90% of the wars and now don't want to pay for the care of those injured.  That won't fly, or to quote one of their own, "That dog won't hunt!"

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