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Alison Lundergan Grimes speaking on podium
When the news first broke that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell had dishonestly claimed that repealing Obamacare wouldn't impact Kynect, Kentucky's popular health exchange, the campaign of his Democratic opponent Alison Lundergan Grimes was inexplicably silent.

But:

“At last, Grimes’ campaign manager Jonathan Hurst sent LEO Weekly the following statement calling out McConnell for not knowing the difference between fact and fiction.

“Mitch McConnell has been in the fantasyland that is Washington for so long that he cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction,” says Hurst. “McConnell has voted to destroy Kynect – and he has said he will do it again. In the U.S. Senate, Alison Lundergan Grimes will fix the law to ensure it is working for all Kentuckians.”

Good start, but this can't be the end of it—and the message needs to come from Grimes herself.

This is one of those fundamental moments in the campaign: Mitch McConnell is trying to convince Kentucky that repealing the Affordable Care Act would have no impact on the popular Kynect program. That's an absurd and dishonest claim, but no matter how easy it is to rebut these sorts of lies, they don't rebut themselves, and nobody is in a better position to rebut it than Grimes and her campaign.

It's really a golden opportunity: Not only is McConnell exposing the soft underbelly of his position on repealing Obamacare, he's doing it with the sort of dishonesty that gives the Grimes campaign an opportunity to remind Kentucky of everything they don't like about Mitch McConnell and his 30 years in Washington.

Mitch McConnell put himself on the ropes and Hurst's statement makes it clear the Grimes campaign understand exactly why. The challenge for them now is to keep going after McConnell—they can't let him get away with telling a lie this big. And if they do make him pay for his dishonesty, it's going to have a huge impact on the rest of the campaign, because a Mitch McConnell that can't get away with telling huge lies is a Mitch McConnell that can't win re-election.

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  •  While she's at it, Grimes needs to expose (12+ / 0-)

    how McConnell's repeal would effect Kentucky's veterans. Y'know?

    By calling for Shinseki's resignation, grimes has lost favor with me, but then I'm not a Kentucky vet.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:05:59 AM PDT

    •  that's one state where vet's matter (3+ / 0-)
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      TomP, dewtx, yoduuuh do or do not

      It's depressing how little interest there is in the delays, glad to hear you too want to keep Shinseki.

      but, he ought to have learned earlier, with 'secret shoppers,' both he with this 'surprise that is no surprise' and Obama with not knowing the roll out wouldn't work, can learn from their unknowing.

      For Obama, he ought to have had 'hired' a 'secret shopper,' who could have told him inside what was going on, one of those guys who later heroically fixed it would have enjoyed doing a 'Snowdon' for him, and told him in no unwonky terms.

      For Shinseki all he needed to do send in some secret shoppers and get their reports and then compare that with their 'paperwork.' Also, he needs to have an 'open report,' where those who use the system can rate their experiences and everyone can read the ratings, day by day.  There are some built in problems with the vet system, which is a culture of doing the paperwork whether or not it matches reality, but for all this talk about what has always been too long waits for vet medical care, it isn't sending off troops to Iraq without body armor. And no one is paraphrasing Rumsfeld, with 'you deliver medical care with the medical care you got.'

       

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:16:54 AM PDT

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  •  maybe a spokesperson is better (6+ / 0-)

    at the beginning, she's great and tough but this is her first big campaign and she's a woman, and she needs to be seen as tough but not strident, factual but not picky, big, not small.  So, I think it should start somewhere else and she should wait until he's said something about her, and then point out that it "has been noted about MM" and then talk about what she'll bring KY and he wont.  

    One of the very cool things about Obama is his timing, he waits, gives them rope, and let's them hang themselves.  The 'narrative' has to be introduced, so it's out there, but it's one that will last until November, she can practice her timing, there is time for that.  

    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

    by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:06:13 AM PDT

  •  McConnell's soft underbelly. (7+ / 0-)

    Ewwww.  :-/

  •  Au contraire (9+ / 0-)

    These repubs DO know the difference between facts and fiction: they are HOSTILE to facts and CONSTANT REGURGITATING known fictions.

    I really wish people wouldn't be so goddammned weak with regards to calling these fuckers out.

    They spew fictions to obscure facts.

    Politeness does not do justice to the ugly shit they intend to implement.

    Repubs aren't nerds making erroneous decisions.

    They aren't "just in error".

    It is a fucking pattern and you ignore it at your peril. And it isn't like it is complicated. It's pretty goddammned blunt.

    I'd hate to suffer one extra day of these people's shitty agenda because some are just too polite to allow themselves to see the reality of the fucking GOP.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:08:31 AM PDT

  •  Or the difference between Duke and UK: (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, rexxnyc

    Schedule permitting, PROOF WILL BE PROVIDED ON HOW I AM BEING "CONSTANTLY CALLED OUT" AND "UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED" FOR BEING BAD. Moreover, the dossier on my activities during the Bush administration will have an appendix concluding that I am Wrong.

    by Inland on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:11:37 AM PDT

  •  Grimes The TurtleSlayer.....get to work on this (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    DC operative.

  •  Lose The Hubris? (3+ / 0-)
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    northerntier, xxdr zombiexx, jyssco
    In the U.S. Senate, Alison Lundergan Grimes will fix the law to ensure it is working for all Kentuckians.
    Just love the hubris-speak that so many politicians and their campaigns feel they have to engage in in order to get elected.

    At face value, that statement from campaign manager Hurst suggests that Grimes is so omnipotent that she will, if elected, overwhelm all of the other senators with her stunning leadership and gravitas, and thus have legislation introduced and passed that will make the ACA the s#!t for all of us, or at least all Kentuckians.

    All without any filibuster reform on legislation! Wow!

    Social justice is part of the implication of loving thy neighbor. - Frances Perkins

    by paz3 on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:20:39 AM PDT

  •  I think the Turtle can tell the difference between (2+ / 0-)
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    skillet, Aquarius40

    fact & fiction, it makes his lying all the more transparent. Grimes victory dinner in November should start off with turtle soup.

  •  Please Help (3+ / 0-)
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    Empower Ink, TofG, anna shane

    Please help us and tell Governor (of Aalabama) Bentley to
    expand Medicaid. Here’s his contact (please call)
    number 334-242-7100 or fax 334-353-0004.

  •  Showcasing repeal has national implications (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    This could be the playbook for a generation of push back and eventually smackdown.

    To be sure this is the first of its kind. Discussing the lies the Republicans have been making about the ACA will show the depths of their crass partisanship with this and other issues.

    Over time this might not seem fair. But given the intense hostility over this and other issues would be justice rather than something more petty.

    Afterall the Republicans gave us these tools. One of those tools represents the hammer that we should beat them with for years to come.

    When I think of the lives that were lost but for where people lived in the context of Medicaid expansion, the moral justification for bashing Republicans for a generation is overwhelming.  

  •  She has to say it, to own ACA (2+ / 0-)
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    ACA is the starting point that has gotten more than 400,000 Kentuckians insured.  Without ACA, there would be no Kynect.  With ACA, we've got a basis for tackling health care that can be continually reformed, refined and improved.

    •  Yep. And if she refuses to own ACA (2+ / 0-)
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      decisivemoment, Berkeley Fred

      and to run on it, then she doesn't deserve to win.

      Saying she's going to fix it doesn't count.  She needs to stand proudly for the law that helped out thousands of Kentuckyans.  Explain why the law is working instead of implying it's broken.  Frankly, she sounds like a republican with this nonsense about "fixing" Obamacare.  Running on "fixing" a democratic policy is not a winning strategy for a democrat.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:30:43 PM PDT

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  •  This doesn't sound like a slam to me. Grimes (2+ / 0-)
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    flevitan, Subterranean

    needs to say it herself for one, and over and over again.  She also needs to get out there and actively support the ACA and quit running from it.  All this double talk and sending message via a campaign manager and kinda sorta agreeing that she might support "fixing" Obamacare but won't even say outloud that she would have voted for it is BS.  Run as a democrat and beat this creep!!  

    •  give her a break (0+ / 0-)

      she's going for the win.

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 12:55:30 PM PDT

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      •  That's the problem (0+ / 0-)

        instead of going for the win, she's running not to lose.  She needs to go for the jugular, and when McConnell is finally down and bleeding out, run a steamroller over his sorry ass!

        This is the Senate Minority Leader.  We don't want to eek out a win, we want to route that motherfucker!

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:35:31 PM PDT

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        •  I don't agree (0+ / 0-)

          the jug isn't defending Obama, it's pointing out MM's voting record, she does not have to say he voted to repeal Obama care, she can call it ACA and she can say that the Kentucky program is a state run program, and MM doesn't want people getting heath insurance.  She won't win big in any case, that's impossible, but if the tea party stays home and enough women vote their own interest, she can possibly squeak out a win.  The alternative is to lose, not win big.

          plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

          by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:12:15 PM PDT

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          •  Of course (1+ / 0-)
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            Berkeley Fred

            she doesn't need to defend Obama.  

            You're suggesting she thread the needle, which is always a loser in politics.  Kynect is popular, so own it and point out that MM opposes it!  Simple and succinct.  

            Trying to distance herself from Obamacare while defending Kynect but saying she wants to "fix it" is confusing and looks weak.  Maybe it will work if MM is widely hated by Kentuckians, but I doubt it.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:28:44 PM PDT

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  •  Still can't understand why Grimes is so (1+ / 0-)
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    Subterranean

    timid on Obamacare. She can stick to ACA if Kentukians can't stomach "Obamacare"...but something that benefits 400K+ kentukians cannot be something to be shy about...

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:31:37 AM PDT

    •  she's timid on Obama. not Obamacare. (0+ / 0-)
    •  because (0+ / 0-)

      he polls so low, the negatives have worked, she needs to make it about the state, not who is president, so she has a chance to win?  

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 12:56:22 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe if Kentuckians realized (0+ / 0-)

        that Kynect IS Obamacare, then Grimes wouldn't have to act so weak on the ACA.

        Better to own the ACA, run on it, and challenge KY voters, than to pretend Kynect isn't Obamacare and pussyfoot around the issue like she has something to hide.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:38:36 PM PDT

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        •  you want to teach them that first? (0+ / 0-)

          and then maybe help them become less racist? All before November?  We don't want them to realize that.  Better to own Kynect and show MM voted to get rid of it.

          plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

          by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:13:47 PM PDT

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          •  You're saying the same thing (0+ / 0-)
            Better to own Kynect and show MM voted to get rid of it.
            How does she do that without explaining that Kynect is Obamacare?

            She'll have to own Kynect/ACA, and when explaining that they are the same, she would be wise to blame the media for the confusion rather than point out that KY voters are racist dumbasses.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:24:21 PM PDT

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  •  Please Help (1+ / 0-)
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    anna shane

    Please help us and tell Governor (of Aalabama) Bentley to expand Medicaid.  Here’s his contact number 334-242-7100 or fax 334-353-0004. You can also use facebook or Twitter (here’s the contact link) https://twitter.com/... and https://www.facebook.com/...  or email http://governor.alabama.gov/...

  •  The Grimes campaign (0+ / 0-)

    needs to stop playing footsie and call the Turtle out for what he is.  A lying liar.  

  •  She just needs to come out and say it... (0+ / 0-)

    (1) Obamacare = Kynect, and both are a good thing.  

    (2) Mitch knows this and is lying.  He has obstructed health care reform to please his donors, because they matter more to him than Kentucky families.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:37:17 AM PDT

  •  "Can't Tell Difference between Fact and Fiction" (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    That's political nice talk for, "He's a fucking liar."

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:43:45 AM PDT

  •  I'll be fuckin' damned (0+ / 0-)

    At least someone in her campaign called bullshit on McConnell for his blatant lying on kynect and the ACA.  I thought they would never do it to be honest.  Jed is right that Grimes needs to reminds voters that McConnell is a liar and wants to take away their health insurance.  She needs to do it herself, but this is a step in the right direction.  If she does, I will never be so happy to be wrong about a political prediction I made.

  •  He's trying to get Grimes to defend "Obamacare" (3+ / 0-)
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    GRLionsFan, rexxnyc, Berkeley Fred

    That's McConnell's sinister strategy.  If she doesn't take the bait, Mr. Turtle gets away with another lie.  If she does take the bait, she'll probably have to explain that Kynect is simply the Kentucky state exchange founded under the ACA - thereby exposing her campaign to the full wrath of the ignorant, bigoted dolts who oppose anything with the name of "Obama" attached to it.

    There is a way for her to finesse the issue.  But the maneuvering could be very tight.

    Mr. Turtle is nothing if not cunning and unprincipled.

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Wed May 28, 2014 at 11:29:50 AM PDT

    •  Which is why Grimes must confront it head on (1+ / 0-)
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      Subterranean

      A major reason the GOP has had the success it's had is because Republican politicians have successfully been able to disguise their true intent regarding policy, be it Social Security, Medicare, or the ACA. If they aren't challenged on it, and the media doesn't call them out on it, then they get away with it.

      No doubt some/many/most of these low-info voters will reflexively respond the way McConnell wants if Grimes takes up the mantle for Obamacare. But all of them will go McConnell's way if he's not challenged. If Grimes forcefully makes the case, I'm certain some will change their minds. Enough to win the election? Who knows. But Grimes will not lose any voters doing this that she wasn't likely to lose anyway.

    •  but she won't (0+ / 0-)

      she'll make him say it's Obamacare, she'll say he voted to take the choice away from Kentucky.  And if she's asked, she'll say this is Kentucky Care, and ACA gave the choice to Kentucky, and MM doesn't want you to have health insurance, he's in Washington, he votes to please his friends, not for wellbeing of the people of our state. Already "X" would died without ... He wants you to think it's about who is president, not about your grandmother's medicare, and your child's checkups.

      she'll showcase real people who are alive today ....

      She knows him, and she knows the residents of Kentucky, she'll never whisper Obama Care.

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 01:09:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  where is grimes (1+ / 0-)
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    Subterranean

    this statement came from the campsign manager, not grimes. she needs to speak, calk mcconnell out. he has given her this opportunity, so grimes must come down hard on mitchie.

    where are the ads attacking mcconnell? the grimes campaign can do much better.

  •  Well, of COURSE (1+ / 0-)
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    Subterranean

    she sees a legitimate opportunity to CLOBBER THE SHIT out of the opposition and does nothing. She's a Democrat. That's what we're notorious for.  It makes me want to fucking scream sometimes.

    •  but it might not (0+ / 0-)

      lying isn't a deal breaker, but, voting to make medicare a voucher system, and voting to keep Kentucky from setting up a state insurance plan that meets the needs of the state, and voting to keep the minimum wage so low that working mothers can't provide opportunities so their children can succeed, and voting to keep new jobs out of Kentucky because his donators don't want competition, lots will work, and Obama won't mind, he would rather she win than lose by crediting him. He's an adult. His presidency has been hallmarked by making choices for the good of us but that didn't do him much good.  Not a grandstander, our president, and not a loser, Ms. Grimes.

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 01:15:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think that's a mistaken notion (0+ / 0-)

        that dems will lose if they stand up for their values and beliefs.  Actually it's the opposite:  voters are suspicious of politicians who are afraid to speak about issues, and such politicians can only get elected if the voters are even more afraid of their opponent.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:47:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  not that (0+ / 0-)

          values yes, issues yes, but sticking up for Obama, not a good idea in Kentucky. The way is to show they voted to end medicare for vouchers, and to not raise the minimum wage and to deny personal freedoms and bring the state into the bedroom, those issues.

          plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

          by anna shane on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:09:18 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  MM wants to shrink the government (0+ / 0-)

            so small that he can fit it inside your bedroom!  (tip of the hat to Colbert for that one).

            Yep, no reason to defend "Obummer" in KY.  She'll need to own Kynect, and thus ACA, which is going to bring Obamacare into the discussion.  If Kentuckians really can't handle the truth about Kynect, then Grimes can't win.  I suspect they'll accept the truth just fine if she delivers it succinctly and proudly.  Kynect is already a success, and the governor is a dem, so it's not like Kentuckians have no experience with evil big gubmint libruls.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:33:07 PM PDT

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  •  Grimes has been given a gift (0+ / 0-)

    Grimes needs not only to point out the dishonesty but also that McConnell is now on record favoring a plan that will inevitably raise people's insurance premiums or worse, raise taxes to cover in Kentucky to cover the shortfall that will occur when and if his plan to repeal Obamacare and its financial support for Kynect goes into effect.  She needs to go on the offensive against McConnell's plan to raise health insurance premiums.

  •  how about (0+ / 0-)

    pointing out that any "fixing" that is needed is only needed because of McConnell's sabotage.

  •  This is the problem (0+ / 0-)

    with letting people believe that Kynect isn't Obamacare.  It only hurts dems in the long run.

    It's good to see Grimes respond to McConnel's BS, but she needs to stop saying Kynect/Obamacare is broken (directly implied by claiming it needs "fixing").  So far it has met all the necessary goals and is working as intended.  If dems insist on running against their own policies (aka, "fixing" Obamacare), then it's only logical for voters to elect more republicans.  

    "Please everyone, elect us!  We implemented a broken health care system, but we're gonna fix it!"

    Yeah, that's a swell message.  I bet the focus groups swooned when they heard it.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Wed May 28, 2014 at 02:42:08 PM PDT

  •  Grimes is talking about fixing the ACA someone ... (0+ / 0-)

    Grimes is talking about fixing the ACA someone should ask here FIX WHAT!!!

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