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U.S. Senator Richard Burr speaks during the National Rifle Association's 139th annual meeting in Charlotte, North Carolina May 14, 2010. REUTERS/Chris Keane (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS) - RTR2DVZ2
Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC)
Sen. Richard Burr is not backing away from the fight he picked with veterans' groups. After Burr accused the groups of not calling for Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki to resign because they care more about their insider influence than about their members, he got blasted; the leaders of the Paralyzed Veterans of America said Burr "clearly represent[s] the worst of politics in this country" and the leaders of the Veterans of Foreign Wars said Burr's attack "is clearly one of the most dishonorable and grossly inappropriate acts that we’ve witnessed." To Burr, though, this is all evidence he was right all along:
“In fact, the reaction from some of the Veterans Service Organizations —VFW, DAV, and PVA — seems to prove my point: their national leadership are far more outraged by my words than they have been about the VA scandal or Secretary [Eric] Shinseki’s mismanagement of the agency,” he added, referring to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Disabled American Veterans and the Paralyzed Veterans of America.
Burr's position, in other words, is "they got angry when I attacked them for disagreeing with me, therefore I must be right." According to Richard Burr, there is apparently no way for these veterans' groups to have a different view of the situation at the VA for any reason other than that their integrity is compromised. The only reason to not call for Shinseki's resignation, in Burr-land, is to suck up to Shinseki, but if you do what Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee ranking member Sen. Richard Burr wants, that's simply an expression of a valid opinion, not sucking up.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:29 AM PDT.

Also republished by North Carolina BLUE and Daily Kos.

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  •  Burr showed his True Concern (27+ / 0-)

    for Veterans when HE left the Hearing and went to lunch. That was HIS Concern.

    Don't confuse Confidence with Arrogance.

    by bearsguy on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:36:09 AM PDT

    •  To Be Fair... (3+ / 0-)

      The Brie cheesecake at the Four Seasons in Crystal City is to die for.  I am not kidding.

      As much of an ideologue as I am, I'd happily leave any Congressional hearing to get me some. I'm sure that Karl forgives for such a shameful and sensual delight. It's the consciousness, doncha know, and Brie brings it out. You can taste the workers, and it is a wonder.

    •  The Swiss Army magic wand again. (15+ / 0-)

      It doesn't bother Burr that Bush got us into a war, but wasn't willing to raise taxes needed to build an army that could possibly win.

      It doesn't bother Burr that the Republicans refuse to raise enough money that the Federal government can staff the VA hospitals needed to treat the rush of veterans that Bush's wars created.

      It only bothers Burr that Obama doesn't wave his Swiss Army magic wand and perform 8 miracles at once.

      Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

      by Judge Moonbox on Wed May 28, 2014 at 07:05:24 PM PDT

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    •  He also showed his give-a-fuck when he (14+ / 0-)

      voted against funding for the VA -- the chronic problem being understaffing resulting from underfunding.

      Was he in the Senate during the Bushit criminal enterprise occupation gov't?  Then he also voted to cut funding to the VA during Bushit's illegal occupation of Iraq, when the number of wounded and permanently maimed troops being returned was increasing.

      These viciously unconscionable Republican't bastards need to be publicly stripped of their lies -- publicly flayed -- and exposed for the frauds they are.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 02:04:18 AM PDT

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      •  Something I've not seen reporting on (3+ / 0-)

        is the VA priority system which ranks which veterans get service first. The GOPs seem to think that the VA is able to take every vet who shows up at the door immediately. I wish it were so. It will never be as long as they continue to defund the VA to the point where they can't fulfill even the mission they have been given. IMO it is the prime model for any public health system we could conjure but it must be funded to succeed. The Bush regime was cutting VA funding even as it tried to convince the public to go to war with Iraq.

        “Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.” C. Hitchens

        by zootscoot on Thu May 29, 2014 at 08:23:21 PM PDT

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  •  To Burr - and then what????? (14+ / 0-)

        If one follows any sort of logic, that would lead a vacuum at the top of the VA in DC....so then what happens.   Without someone in charge ( aka at the top)  a legitimate investigation into a number of VA hospitals across the nation goes NO WHERE - and the heads of VA hospitals - do they get a pass?  do they get their bonus...and this cycle will go through another wash repeat cycle.  

    •  They should all be required to serve a tour. (18+ / 0-)

      Those coddled trust fund babes should be required to serve at least one overseas tour 'up front' if they expect to be called 'leaders' of the next generation.

      I will gladly fund any verified combat veteran running for office and major change to our political processes.

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      If the Old Testament were a reliable guide in the matter of capital punishment, half the people in the United States would have to be killed tomorrow. ~ Steve Allen

      by Gordon20024 on Wed May 28, 2014 at 05:03:08 PM PDT

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      •  THANK YOU AND "AGREED" (6+ / 0-)

        Each one of them put them on a military plane, 15 minutes before, get a gunny giving orders, get these clothes on 5 minutes, let him use that training.
        Dump them, board those that will replace the shit for brains politicians!
        Listen idiot! DON'T EVER TURN THE GAME BACK ON US VETERANS! I DISPISE THAT BABY ASSWIPE MENTALITY OF ITS NOT US ITS THEM GAME!
        THE VA IN DALLAS SUCKS. AND THEY JUST MESSED WITH ONE VETERAN WHO HAS NOT A DAMN THING TO LOOSE, AND WILL CALL YOU OUT!
        FUNNY, THEY THINK I WON'T HAVE A CLUE WITH MY RECORDS? OH, I HAVE MORE THAN A CLUE, "IT IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT, IT WILL NOT PROTECT THE LIARS AND GAME PLAYERS, NOPE, TOO LATE FOR YOU TO ADD OR SUBTRACT A DAMN WORD." AS STATED WHEN I CALLED THAT HOUSE WE ALL OWN, "SINGLE LAW SUIT OR CLASS ACTION, TAKE YOUR PICK!"
        PAST TIME TO TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK, AND SEND THE SELF SERVING MADE TONS OF MONEY BUT DONT EARN IT, TO MARS!

        •  Thank you... (8+ / 0-)

          For your service!  It sounds like you are having a frustrating time dealing with the VA.  For that, I am so sorry!  As a nation, we owe a debt to those who have served & we are failing to make good.  But, I did want to say thank you, in case you haven't heard it lately.  

        •  Check to see if there is a LAMP group at your VA (2+ / 0-)
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          hospital.  Seriously, I know what you are going through, been there, done that.  LAMP is great at cutting through the red tape.  I can't tell you how much they have helped me deal with the VA for my husband.  They know how to get things done, and fast.  I spent 4 months on the phone begging for help getting a ramp for my house so I could bring my husband home from rehab.  I knew they had them.  One of my co workers husband was a vet and had one.  Yet they told me they didn't exist.  If you don't get the right people with the answers, they will swear they don't have the answers anywhere.  Then we found LAMP, my husband was enrolled and magic happened.  In two weeks, we got the ramp.  I can call or send an e-mail tomorrow about a need my husband has and within 24 hours have an answer and be started on the road to getting what we need.  

        •  I see you're new here. Dkos doesn't get into (1+ / 0-)
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          Lilredhead

          the game of calling opponents 'baby ass wipes' or rants in all caps.

          We try to have a more helpful and action directed approach to solving problems. Please try to direct your energy and fervor to accomplishing a change in your local government and educating your friends and neighbors.

          I'm a veteran of 12 years in the Army (1967-79) with 31 months in Vietnam. I don't know or question your credentials regarding your service or your problems with the VA system. I'm not calling you out. Just asking that you concentrate your outrage in a constructive manner, brother.

          Good results seldom come from anger. Wars and conflicts seldom solve the underlying problems. Politicians and weapons makers profit by fueling animosity and dividing groups and nations.

          There are some very helpful people here that are willing to offer you assistance in navigating the F'up system the VA has in place if you are willing to reach out to them.

          You might want to start with this website that'll help you formulate a claim for PTSD or whatever may be troubling you. That one form helped 'speed' my claim along from what would have been a 24 month wait down only 20 months. It's a document they accept and will help a little.

          I wish you well and hope you find peace. I've been there.

          If the Old Testament were a reliable guide in the matter of capital punishment, half the people in the United States would have to be killed tomorrow. ~ Steve Allen

          by Gordon20024 on Thu May 29, 2014 at 08:19:13 PM PDT

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      •  Roger that. (7+ / 0-)

        There should be a law that no president who has not had combat experience, and I mean on-the-ground, feel-the-blast, smell-the-blood, experienced the shit-hitting-the-fan all hell breaking loose around you kind of experience should be able to declare war and only Congressmen and Senators who have had the same experience can have the vote as to whether to approve it or not.

        The biggest disappointment of my life was when I figured out that Colin Powell had been co-opted by the Cheney crowd. I really respected him and the "Powell Doctrine." I felt like he'd taken what he'd learned from Vietnam to heart. To this day, I haven't decided whether he was suckered or whether he "soldiered up" and towed the party line. I have watched his UN presentation over and over, and I'm going to allow myself to think that they did a number on him. I don't think for a minute that he didn't have reservations, but without hard intel, he had to go with what they'd given him.

        That was a very long way around saying that anyone who hasn't been there doesn't have a clue, and has no business whatsoever thinking they have any right to make that kind of decision . . .

        OK. Rant over.

        "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." -- RFC 1925

        by lartwielder on Wed May 28, 2014 at 09:53:37 PM PDT

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      •  Where are the veterans (3+ / 0-)

        who should be in charge of the V.A.? We take care of our own; put one of us in charge and tell demagogues like Burr to go through the proper channels to make their complaints.

        The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it.--Oscar Wilde

        by Gene in L A on Thu May 29, 2014 at 11:28:21 AM PDT

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        •  I think you missed something here (5+ / 0-)

          Shinseki is a retired Army four-star, a wounded combat veteran of Vietnam. He hits all the right buttons to run the VA, at least on paper. But it's never as simple as just putting the right person in charge; he or she needs support and resources to get the job done.

        •  BTW... (1+ / 0-)
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          Gordon20024

          Thank you for your service.

        •  This particular issue wasn't really about "Who's (1+ / 0-)
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          Gordon20024

          in charge"

          This was more about the demands of middle or upper-middle management that goals of service within a certain time period be met (noble intention, but not terribly well thought out), and the shenanigans that went on to make it appear as though those goals were indeed being met. It made things worse to offer bonuses to meet those goals. The promise of money prompted the unscrupulous to not enter vets into the system until they could be assured of achieving the "Appointment within 15 days" target (I think it was 15 days, though I could be wrong).

          Republicans - A pathology, not a party.

          by storeysound on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:44:09 PM PDT

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          •  VA healthcare is not so much an issue (2+ / 0-)
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            Lilredhead, Vetwife

            as getting thought the cumbersome process of being approved for care or disability.

            When you return from a combat tour minus a leg or arm or with TBI it shouldn't be a two year process to obtain care from the VA.

            You can't enlist in the military without both arms and legs and a reasonable mental ability. Why must you prove your current lost of limb(s), hearing or cognitive ability wasn't caused by your verifiable combat related injuries?

            The problem with the VA is administrative. Not so much hospital related (although I have a personal issue regarding a surgeon who insisted I undergo PT before the fractured right arm was mended). That resulted in my right arm being 3 inches shorter than my left and utterly useless after the muscles atrophied. But that's another story.

            The VA is constructed in such a convoluted manner as to deny Veterans their benefits. A veteran can hobble into a VA claims office on crutches or in a wheelchair and have to prove to the sadistic and unreasonable assholes processing your claim that you are actually, in fact, disabled.

            The current process is not only degrading to the veteran but is unnecessary and purely a method to deny combat veterans their rightfully earned compensation/recognition.
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            If the Old Testament were a reliable guide in the matter of capital punishment, half the people in the United States would have to be killed tomorrow. ~ Steve Allen

            by Gordon20024 on Thu May 29, 2014 at 08:57:33 PM PDT

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            •  I think (3+ / 0-)
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              Gordon20024, Lilredhead, Vetwife

              if a person was cleared as physically and mentally fit enough to serve, then any physical or psychological disability they have on return should have to be treated as service-related.  They won't all be, but maybe such a system would lead to improved screening on the front end and faster treatment on the back end.  It might also reduce the number of people deemed eligible to serve, thereby making it harder to engage in wars of choice.

              I also think that for every person who is sent to a war zone, a set amount of inflation-adjusted dollars should have to be set aside in a trust account that cannot be tapped for anything except the needs of the returning vets - whether it's medical care, education, job training, or just a dangerous service bonus.  Like Bernie Sanders said, if we can't afford to take care of our vets we should quit sending them to war.  

              A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury. - John Stuart Mill

              by penelope pnortney on Thu May 29, 2014 at 10:43:58 PM PDT

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              •  It shouldn't take 2 f'ing years to prove (3+ / 0-)

                you no longer have your arm or leg! It's visually evident and verified by the service member's medical records. "Look, I don't have a left arm, half of my right leg is still in some f'ing rice patty!

                The administration part of the VA is the real problem. Not the healthcare providers. Yes, the hospital staff are among the lowest paid professional staff in the country and that's a disservice and slap in the face to all who have served and protected this nation but veterans have become accustomed to half-assed treatment since WWII.

                Acknowledging that there is a problem within the system is, however, new.

                Congress opts to force unwanted funds for the DOD at the same time slashing funds for veterans care. Such actions beg the question - how many congress scion are in the military?

                 

                If the Old Testament were a reliable guide in the matter of capital punishment, half the people in the United States would have to be killed tomorrow. ~ Steve Allen

                by Gordon20024 on Thu May 29, 2014 at 11:32:57 PM PDT

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                •  A better question is (1+ / 0-)
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                  Gordon20024

                  how many in Congress have ties to the defense industry?  

                  That's what drives defense spending, they don't give a rip about the people who serve.  I mean, really, you'd have to be a bit of a sociopath to be willing to profit off of people's limbs and lives, and then shortchange them when you could vote to fund the services they need.

                  Congress opts to force unwanted funds for the DOD at the same time slashing funds for veterans care. Such actions beg the question - how many congress scion are in the military?
                  Someone, somewhere (Maplight.org, probably) has this information laid out in black and white - the source and amount of their campaign donations and how they're voting on legislation.  That needs to be front page news.

                  A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury. - John Stuart Mill

                  by penelope pnortney on Fri May 30, 2014 at 08:29:24 AM PDT

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            •  Most awesome asssesment Gordon my friend (1+ / 0-)
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              Gordon20024

              The problem is not new but with all the returning vets that the Bush bunch created ..it is worse but not because of Shinseki... I remember as do you all the Principi types who helped make the VA as non functional as possible...  Those war mongers who did not want oversight is to blame..
              thanks for the rant !!! I loved it.

              Just how much Koch do Right Wingers want in their life? . United Veterans of America

              by Vetwife on Fri May 30, 2014 at 04:10:51 AM PDT

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    •  Burr exhibits a vacuum at the top... (4+ / 0-)
    •  McCain has proposed the solution -- (9+ / 0-)

      Having President-While-Being-Black send in the DOJ and FBI to investigate, at a cost of millions, looking for criminal fraud, instead of curing the underfunding at the root of the problem perpetuated by the Republican'ts, including one named McCain.

      In short: McCain proposes to change the subject, while sounding serious and tough 'n law-'n-order, in order to do nothing but perpetuate the underfunding.  After all, the idle rich who aren't creating jobs need tax cuts in order to keep an infinitesimally tiny number of "illegals" employed at less than minimum wage.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 02:12:46 AM PDT

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      •  Why do we take this old fraud seriously? (7+ / 0-)

        He was no hero, he was a songbird informing on the other POWs. He ended up in a POW camp in the first place because of his absolute incompetence as a pilot; he should never have been flying jets at all after his string of accidents, some of them serious, in training, and wouldn't have been if he hadn't been the son and grandson of big shots. He's such a wise politician that he thought Sarah Palin should be one heartbeat away from the oval office. How much more proof of stupidity and lazy-headedness do we need before we put the old coot out to pasture?

  •  It's a shame this asshat isn't up for re-election (18+ / 0-)

    this year. Not that you have to be a veteran to serve on the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, but how exactly did Burr end up as the ranking GOP member? It reminds me of the days when Reagan appointed people to committees and agencies who did not believe in the mission, in order to undermine them (Watt at Interior, etc.).

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:54:20 AM PDT

  •  why (10+ / 0-)

    Why should anyone expect Republicans to help/respect any group other than corporations/lobbying groups and rich people?  Whores protect their pimps.  Rs are adamantly against abortions, but cheap after children are born.  Rs are anti-environmental because nature hasn't set up a PAC.  Rs want to increase military contracts, not care for soldiers.  Dems deserve some of the blame--they tread lightly when their voices most need to be heard.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Wed May 28, 2014 at 11:07:06 AM PDT

  •  I think he may be suffering from a (6+ / 0-)

    traumatic brain injury or dementia or something like that. Jus' sayin'

    This fuckstain has done nothing but take from this country unlike those that he has disgracefully insulted.

  •  Repubs Are Unredeemable. The Devil Awaits Them. (8+ / 0-)

    Always working against America.  Subverting Democracy, they make possible our plutocracy.  They bring suffering to all but the rich and privileged.

    We will never excel as a country, compared to the rest of the world, as long as they are in power.  We must make it to the polls in droves to drive this back.  

     Electing Progressives will help to neutralize the plutocratic loyalties of Hillary Clinton.
    At least, we the people, can live with her election over any republican.

  •  Rachel did a number on Burr yesterday. (11+ / 0-)

    One really interesting point (amongst many others) was that NC has a very high number of vets living there.  I wonder how they'll go when he runs for re-election.  I'm sure the NC Dems will make good use of Rachel's report.  Heh.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Wed May 28, 2014 at 03:26:20 PM PDT

    •  Burr isn't among that "large number of vets"... (9+ / 0-)

      ...having never served in the military.  But apparently he thinks he knows more than those veterans about how they should feel, and what they should do, about the "situation at the VA".

      Wonder how long before he joins Boehner in calling for privatization of the VA as a "solution" (not to mention a windfall to GOP politicians' corporate cronies)--to a situation brought about, at least in part, by Boehner's and Burr's own lack of diligent oversight of the VA.  Not to mention, their staunch support for cutting funding to Agencies like the VA, and their constant push for "small government".  

       

  •  Thanks (4+ / 0-)
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    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:39:55 PM PDT

  •  It's Simple (4+ / 0-)
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    The veterans want a genuine solution to a legitimate problem and they are preventing Burr from turning this issue into a "cudgel to pound Obama with, Part 56907".

    Burr seems to believe the lunatic saw that all veterans and military worship the sacred Repubpikkkanischen Partei and are therefore with him on this.

    They aren't.

    He's still a Koch sucker.

    Life goes on.

    NEW SINGLE! http://johnnyangelwendell.bandcamp.com/

    by Johnny Wendell on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:46:34 PM PDT

  •  If you ask vets to choose (6+ / 0-)

    between Shinseki, a general with a stellar record, and Burr, an entitled asshole with shit for brains who's never served a day in his life, I can tell you who they're going to choose, and who they'd be more than happy to stand behind and go to bat for.

    Hint - it ain't Burr.

    And if anything is going to sink the GOP with vets, it's going after Shinseki, who has done a good job with the scraps he's gotten for funding.

    One other thing - Burr might not be up for re election this time, but vets have LOOOONNNNNNGGGGG memories and they hold grudges for DECADES. Ask Jane Fonda.

    Please proceed, Senator.

  •  This loser is an absolute disgrace. n/t (5+ / 0-)

    "Really nice, but also very serious about his job." Jackie Evancho on President Obama 6/7/12

    by BarackStarObama on Wed May 28, 2014 at 05:06:59 PM PDT

  •  No surprise here (5+ / 0-)

    When he first got elected, I wrote him a polite, concerned letter telling him I disagreed with his stance on something--probably the Iraq War or Social Security privatization.

    His response to me was, in so many words, "Who cares what you think?"

    I think a lot of people in North Carolina, mostly Democrats, got and get letters like that from Burr.

    Except during the years he's running.

    Then he pretends to care what everyone thinks.

    Let's see what he says about veterans in 2016, when he's up for re-election again.

    History is a guide, not a destination.

    by NCJan on Wed May 28, 2014 at 05:11:41 PM PDT

    •  I am sorry you have to put up with people like him (2+ / 0-)
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      I'd find living in their vibe burdensome, I've only ever lived in blue states where such behavior is incompatible with election. I presume every day life distracts.

      Even I find it disturbing that he even is in the US Congress. Just as an American. It seems wrong.

      •  Thanks for the kind words (1+ / 0-)
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        reasonshouldrule

        I am fortunate to live in a very blue part of the state where his behavior is considered very unacceptable.

        History is a guide, not a destination.

        by NCJan on Thu May 29, 2014 at 06:22:24 AM PDT

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        •  My sympathies. (1+ / 0-)
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          NCJan

          But I know exactly how you feel.  I live in a "red" congressional district in Michigan, and our rep is---believe it or not---that crazy deer farmer/ex-Santa Claus pretender Kerry Bentivolio.  It's embarrassing.  (The one who didn't know about American Samoa and stumbled over the name before saying "American Somolia."

  •  Another chickenhawk who never served (2+ / 0-)
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    JimValent, reasonshouldrule

    but is only too willing to use military members and their families toward whatever political end suits him.

    Revolting - but then again, what should one expect of a guy who's had to repeatedly deny his father's assertion that he's a blood relative (okay, 12th cousin, but still a blood relative) of the only US vice president to ever shoot and kill a cabinet secretary? One might even say - if one were to lend any credence to such things - that treason runs in his veins.

  •  Is he any relation to Aaron Burr? (2+ / 0-)
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    JimValent, raspberryberet

    Asking purely out of curiosity, mind you.  

    Certainly not because I suspect he'd follow in Aaron's footsteps and conspire with corrupt Generals in the Army to commit treason and conduct a Coup.  

    And definitely not because I think he'd actually be in correspondence with antagonistic foreign governments in order to get funds and support for seizing portions of the country and declaring them independent of the USA.

    Why ever would I even think he, or his any of his fellows come to it, would even entertain such treasonous ideas?  Its not like they've deceived the country into pointless wars, looted the Treasury, aided and abetted domestic terrorists, or declared the legally-elected President to be an illegitimate foreigner who represents everything evil in the world and should be arrested, impeached and executed (not necessarily in that order).

    Not in the last 5 minutes, anyway.

  •  They always double down (2+ / 0-)
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    kfunk937, reasonshouldrule

    It makes their crazy followers think they are winning.  

  •  The amazing thing to me (5+ / 0-)

    isn't his venality, but rather his foolishness. What the heck does he think is in it for him, attacking veterans' orgs? I mean, the VFW for goodness sakes? Why doesn't he just go ahead and attack the Southern Baptist church while he's at it?

    I can only imagine he believes these orgs are in the Democrats' pocket (which couldn't be further from the truth) and he's trying to drive a wedge between them and their membership. Crazy.

    The good news is, it seems to bespeak a lot of fear on his part.

    Keep up the good work, dick. I mean, Dick.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho

    by DocDawg on Wed May 28, 2014 at 06:56:37 PM PDT

    •  And someone please ask Tillis about Burr-- (1+ / 0-)
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      and force GOP senatorial candidate Tillis (currently running on Koch money against  Democrat Kay Hagan) to side with Burr or against him on this issue.

      "Tell us, sir, whether Senator Burr will be campaigning on your behalf this summer?"

  •  I'm glad he's come out of his shell. (3+ / 0-)
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    He was one of the most obscure Senators, and especially for a Republican senator it's a waste of the position not to say stupid things that get people riled up.  

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Wed May 28, 2014 at 07:02:30 PM PDT

  •  Burr is a spineless piece of shit (1+ / 0-)
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    that was too busy being a dick to serve his country.  He now sits and barks like a rabid dog to get attention.  Well he now has our attention,  he needs to be reminded all the time of his total disrespect for wounded and disabled veterans.  You will note that the only veterans organization he approves of is the right wing American Legion.

  •  Thank Rachel Maddow (2+ / 0-)
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    for crowning the offensive asshole 'Senator Lawnmower'. Apparently, his background as a lawn mower salesman was qualification enough for the GOP to assign him as ranking member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee.

    What a puddle of excrement...

  •  Burr's "position" is that he's a Republican out to (2+ / 0-)
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    smear President-While-Being-Black, so is engaged in a fast-and-furious invention of straw men to which then attack.

    Underlying that is the Republican't platform: begin with a lie, base upon that lie one or myriad more lies, and continue to pile lies on top of those.

    All that matters is to smear the opposition, and endeavor to foment hate against them.

    That is their substitute for governance.

    This shithead needs a multi-locus attack exposing his role in underfunding the VA so that now he can lie about the source of the underfunding.

    Congress -- not the Executive, not the SC -- controls the purse.  Pay up, Burr, or shut the fuck up.

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 01:59:52 AM PDT

  •  Jeez, another dumbass with a fat head. (1+ / 0-)
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    reasonshouldrule

    No shortages.

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes
    Teh Twitterz, I'z awn dem.
    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Thu May 29, 2014 at 04:24:19 AM PDT

  •  Can't forgive Shinseki for being right about Iraq. (1+ / 0-)
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    That's what this is really about, isn't it? If they cared about inefficiency at the VA, they should have been saying so when the first casualties of that ghastly, botched Iraq war started coming home. But back then you didn't dare say a word against the administration of God's Chosen One.

    Don't you love the way these chicken-hawk patriots go all treacly sentimental over the troops until a veteran disagrees with them? It's like the maudlin, pseudo-patriotic slobber over the victims of 9/11, until a group of widows protested using the terror attacks as an excuse to invade a country that hadn't been involved in them. Then Coulter howled at the moon, grew fangs and claws (bigger ones, that is) and blasted away at them, saying that their husbands had probably been planning to divorce them anyway and that they were "enjoying" their husbands' deaths. Armchair heroes are pretty much all the same, and they can't stand the sight of the real thing.

  •  Burr, How Dumb Do You Have To Be? (3+ / 0-)

    Rhetorical question. Clearly he's too stupid to realize he should back off on this and go back to chanting Benghazi or whatever.

    Three VA facilities are problematic out of a wide network of hospitals and clinics.

    Just three.

    So yeah, let's fire the head of the whole thing instead of addressing these three specific facilities, right?

    What an idiot. Vote for me. On my worst day I'd be better at the job than this moran. He should get a brain, amirite?

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

    by xenubarb on Thu May 29, 2014 at 08:54:45 AM PDT

  •  Burr's comments are those I expect from a hardc... (2+ / 0-)
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    Burr's comments are those I expect from a hardcore republican chickenhawk! Like far too many on the right all they do is pay token lip service to the veterans while wrapping themselves in the flag and loudly proclaiming how patriotic they are.

  •  Sen. Burr ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... was that Richard or Aaron?

  •  Same old, same old (1+ / 0-)
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    Yeah, fire the top guy before finding out the cause of the problem or who is responsible. You know, kind of like the Iraq Paradigm of shoot first, ask questions later.

  •  "Thank you for your service. Now go away." (0+ / 0-)

    Americans, especially conservative Americans, love the troops and hate the veterans. After all, what can a veteran do for his/her fellow Americans after their service is over?

    Be pretty if you can, be witty if you must, but be gracious if it kills you...Elsie de Wolfe

    by Hilltop Mama on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:43:13 PM PDT

  •  Hope the vets are paying attention (1+ / 0-)
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    reasonshouldrule

    come election time Mr. Burr.

  •  Which party doesn't support Veterans? (2+ / 0-)
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    In the past 16 months Democrats and Independent Bernie Sanders proposed 123 bills to help Veterans.  In February 2014 Senate Minority Leader McConnell, Kentucky, and Senator Marco Rubio from Florida lead all 41 Republicans to vote "NO!" to using left over war money to add more doctors and other help for Veterans to the VA.  At the same time the GOP tries to make you think President Obama is the hold-up.
    Similar resistance occurred with the other 122 bills, too.  President W. Bush told his VA leader Jim ? to tell doctors to purposefully deny our Armed Service members needed treatment "because we just can't afford it."  Give credit where it is due! I believe that was the beginning of the horrible secret treatment my fellow Veterans have been receiving.
    When you vote for a Republican, you are giving a vote against Veterans!
    P. S.  When I served in the '60's it was drilled into us, "If you are AWOL over a month, you will spend at least 7 years in the stockades at Fort Leavenworth!"  W. was AWOL two years.  Some of you and 5 Supreme Court "judges" made him President…twice.  Martians watching would say, "Boy, are those people stupid!"

  •  VA Repair (2+ / 0-)
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    The entire country needs to take responsibility for the VA errors as Congress, the POTUS and the VA directors need to come under scrutiny, not for political grandstanding, but for repair, repair and more repair. The Iraq war was so poorly planned and executed, the number of severely wounded Vets hitting the system hard, and also competing with a ton of Viet Vets, well not enough people in the VA to handle the overload. As a vet, I just made an appointment at the Long Beach VA, and I called in late May, securing an appointment for middle of July, normal waiting time. My PC Physician, Dr. Lerno and his staff are excellent as a team and my care has been wonderful and greatly appreciated. So, to Mr. Burr, shove it up your loudmouth arse, and get real and go to work on finding solutions not angering vets who have been places where you dare not go.

  •  Burr is up to form. (0+ / 0-)

    republicans portray themselves stupider by the day. They think they keep everyone's eye off the ball that way. Sure will be nice to be rid of them, and in moderation, the banks, wall street, and corporations. We've let it go so far it almost seems hopeless.

  •  Jerk (0+ / 0-)

    Where was this stupid jerk after Vietnam, Gulf War, etc. and now especially during all the years of Cheney/Bush's ficticious Iraq war?  They are the vets now being treated at Vet hospitals.  Where were the repugnant republicans then crying foul?  Where are all the fanatic republican voters touting "Support our Troops?"  Never heard a word about mistreated vets.  Now it's all the president's fault.  Put the blame where it belongs...The despicable Bush administration and their pathetic supporters.  

  •  New (0+ / 0-)

    No matter what party you are registered in this idiot has insulted every family that has a veteran needing medical attention. Vote for the GOP in Nov and your veteran will never see a pill.

  •  In a 'nut case' Burr cares little about veterans.. (0+ / 0-)
    and he cares LESS about those groups who represent them!
    As his fake filibustering of the funding for veterans programs last February displayed, this vacuous and slimy schmuck only takes a position for veteran issues, indeed on any other, when it has a paycheck or benefit for him or his lobbyists pals.

    And if he says Chinseki must resign, then all it means is he's being schmucky again. Long lie the schmuck, Burr!

  •  Let's see. (0+ / 0-)

    Numerous waste of time having 51 votes on an issue that will give the same result each time. Time to investigate the IRS, BenGhazi, Time for 3 hour cocktail lunches, time to only work 2 days a week, time for inumerable vacations and taxpayer funded socalled inspection journeys.
    Where was the oversight for the VA. The door was opened in the Walter Reed fiasco to thoroughly investigate the VA, but no that happened under the Bush watch.
    I think Obama made the biggest mistake by not allowing a thorough investigation of the reasons for the Iraqi War and not bringing those responsible to their courts of law.

  •  The chaiman of the Senate Veteran's Affairs ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... Committee is none other than Vermont's Bernie Sanders.  Bernie also does a weekly, hour-long, phone-in segment on the Thom Hartmann show.  On the Friday of Memorial Day weekend, Bernie suggested that they limit the topic to the VA "scandal", and take calls ONLY from veterans, about the VA.

    Over the course of the hour, I'd say they took 30 calls.  Of those, only 2 or 3 characterized the medical care they got from the VA as unacceptable, and the VAST majority of callers (over 20) called it "EXCELLENT".  The major complaint was under-staffing of the facilities, and that the doctors could not spend as much time as they might have liked with each patient (I hear much the same from my OWN doctor.)

    It is my belief that this is NOT a system-wide issue, but a case of a few isolated instances (generally in large cities) where a perhaps abusive people have advanced into positions of power (not particularly difficult if your own supervisors are distant.)  A top-level shakeup will NOT address that issue.  The VA was a mess when Shinseki came on board, and he's done much to improve things.  As usual, though, when Republicans slash funding for a program, they can just sit back and wait for the inevitable trouble that will cause, and then say "See??  The system is broken!"

    OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

    by mstaggerlee on Fri May 30, 2014 at 08:33:54 AM PDT

  •  Burr doubles down on his attack on veterans' group (0+ / 0-)

    IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE POOR OR MIDDLE CLASS LIVING IN NORTH CAROLINA YOU SHOULD READ THE VOTING RECORD OF REPUBLICAN SENATOR RICHARD BURR AT:  http://votesmart.org/...

    HE ONLY VOTES TO SUPPORT THE RICH AND POWERFUL AND AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HELP THE POOR OR MIDDLE-CLASS.  SO UNLESS YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE TOP 2% OF THE WEALTHY PEOPLE IN AMERICA YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS VOTING FOR HIM.....

    Sen. Richard Burr is not backing away from the fight he picked with veterans' groups.   HE IS MORE THAN WILLING TO SHOW THE FACT THAT HE IS A COWARD BY PICKING ON ALL WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEIR SELVES FROM HIS ACTIONS.  HE WILL FIGHT AGAINST THE VETERANS, THE CHILDREN, THE WOMEN, THE MINORITIES AND ANYONE WHO IS NOT "RICH AND POWERFUL."

    SHOWING HIS DISHONESTY AND LACK OR MORAL CONVICTION TO HELP THE VETERANS, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TWO PRIOR INVESTIGATIONS OF THE V. A. UNDER THEN PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IN 2005 AND AGAIN IN 2007 WHEN THE SAME PROBLEMS EXISTED AND THE REPUBLICANS TOOK ABSOLUTELY NO STEPS TO MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS.  NOR DOES HE MENTION THE CUTTING OF FUNDING TO THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION TO ALLOW THEM TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO SUCCEEDING IN THEIR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.  NOR THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS WILL NOT EVEN FURNISH AN UP TO DATE COMPUTER SYSTEM TO HELP RELIEVE THE BACK LOG.

    HEY RICHARD I AM CALLING FOR YOUR RESIGNATION OR IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE OF YOUR FAILURE TO HONOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN YOU VOTED TO SEND OFF TO FIGHT IN TWO UNFUNDED AND UNJUST WARS.

  •  I wonder how Burr would be acting (0+ / 0-)

    if he just returned from Afghanistan with a missing leg and part of his head blown off?

  •  Burr's position,in other words, is "they got angry (0+ / 0-)

    when I attacked them for disagreeing with me, therefore I must be right.          i've seen that type of reaction often in life, always from a bully of one sort or another.

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