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U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) speaks to the media on Capitol Hill in Washington June 18, 2013. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas
Clean air is a "dagger in the heart of the American middle class," according to Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell.
The president’s plan is nuts. #energy #jobs
Although mostly of the view that the Environmental Protection Agency's draft rule on limiting carbon dioxide is a move in the right direction, some critics on the environmental left don't think it goes far enough fast enough and has other problems.

But for the moment, let's stick with the right-wing critics:

Sen. Jim "It's a hoax" Inhofe of Oklahoma, the Senate's hardcore global warming denier, said in a statement:

“By EPA’s own admission, greenhouse gases ‘do not cause direct adverse health effects such as respiratory or toxic effects,’ rendering their claims that this rule is about pollution reduction nil and void. This rule is all about pushing a green agenda that has been dreamed up by the environmentalist community for decades. The President is their man, and the American people are their victims.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said:
"Today’s announcement is a dagger in the heart of the American middle class, and to representative Democracy itself," McConnell said. "Already reeling from the painful effects of Obamacare, the American people are now being told they have to shoulder the burdens of the President’s latest ‘solution’ in the form of higher costs, fewer jobs, and a less reliable energy grid."
Electricity costs could increase by $17B/yr with more power plant regs. The President saw that coming too! (VIDEO:
Here's Marsha Blackburn parroting U.S. Chamber of Commerce statistics:
Hundreds of thousands jobs lost,  household income down $586 billion& electricity costs up over $289 billion.
.@BarackObama's energy strategy: stop new jobs by blocking #KeystoneXL. Destroy current jobs + spike energy prices through #EPA #capandtrade
Here's House Majority Leader Eric Cantor:
Today, President Obama's EPA launched its latest assault on hard working middle class families.
It’s painfully clear this president plans to play by a different set of rules than any other president. STATEMENT:
Obama carbon decree turns radical words into destructive action
Here's Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy:
What are the President’s real priorities? Put Americans back to work or please the narrow environmental lobby?
Still in denial after all these years.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:23 PM PDT.

Also republished by Climate Change SOS, DK GreenRoots, and Daily Kos.

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  •  OMG it's the end of days!! The wolf is (19+ / 0-)

    crying loudly today!  Must signal something really good has just happened.  

    If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

    by John Crapper on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:31:20 PM PDT

    •  Crocodile tears, but same result. (6+ / 0-)

      Wolves and crocodiles circling hungrily.

      "Oh, the middle class, the middle class!" Right, but not a word about the middle class as these heartless predatory bastards were destroying it, and not a word during the Great Bank Robbery of 2008 and the economic depression that followed.  

      What we need is a right to cross-examine elected officials under oath.  Put them in a chair, make them swear to tell the truth etc., and then go at it.  With the sharpest lawyers we can possibly find.  Make 'em squirm and sweat trying to spell out the "logic" they use and the "facts" they have.  

      Now if only there was a way to disqualify anyone in Congress from voting on something that they can't support with facts and logic.... "somewhere over the rainbow, blue birds fly..." but we can dream anyway.

      We got the future back. Uh-oh.

      by G2geek on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 03:53:58 PM PDT

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    •  As to the crying wolf ... (3+ / 0-)
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      worth understanding the cryer's record:  Reasons to apply a skeptical mindset to claims of disaster due to @EPA regulation …

      Does the past historical record provide us a window on whether we can trust institutions like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to provide reliable information as to the costs of environmental compliance?

      Yes. And, that window says that their predictions should not be trusted.

      Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

      by A Siegel on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:40:03 PM PDT

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      •  This is so true (4+ / 0-)
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        ...and something that bears repeating everytime someone says "we can't afford" to save humanity.  They have 0 credibility on this...every environmental regualtion is end days!!1! OMG.

        C'mon guys...if only DBAD applied to the outside world, too.

        The question, O me! so sad, recurring–What good amid these O me, O life? Answer. That you are here–that life exists and identity, That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse. - Whitman

        by 350Energy on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:58:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Hey John... (1+ / 0-)
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      John Crapper

      Did you notice the way they got McTurtle to hold his fingers in that photo that MB posted... It is British/Aussie form of the Jersey Bird.  

      Yep "The Turtle" is giving all of us the finger, just in a more subtle way.

      He has hit the bottom of the barrel if he using hand signals to show his displeasure at the EPA.

      "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

      by doingbusinessas on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 08:32:32 PM PDT

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  •  Inhofe (27+ / 0-)
    “By EPA’s own admission, greenhouse gases ‘do not cause direct adverse health effects such as respiratory or toxic effects,’ rendering their claims that this rule is about pollution reduction nil and void. This rule is all about pushing a green agenda that has been dreamed up by the environmentalist community for decades. The President is their man, and the American people are their victims.”
    Nice parsing.

    Such a fucking asshole.

    Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

    by The Termite on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:33:16 PM PDT

  •  We better warn our republican friends to load u... (17+ / 0-)

    We better warn our republican friends to load up on gold...

  •  One half of this standard has already been (14+ / 0-)

    achieved harming the USA less than all the republican economic bull shit of the last decade. Too bad there is no standard for prevention of noxious hot air so we wouldn't have to listen to total dick wads like these.

    Life is just a bowl of Cherries, that stain your hands and clothes and have pits that break your teeth.

    by OHdog on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:37:19 PM PDT

    •  Obama's Scam (1+ / 0-)
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      Indeed, 13 points (43.3%) of Obama's 30% reduction from 2005 levels has already been cut in just 9 years (37.5% of the 25 years). The remaining 17 points are to be cut in the remaining 17 years, only 87% of the rate until now. The new Obama policy is a slowdown.

      If Obama were going to improve things, he'd set at the very least a 32.2% cut, or at least a 40-45% starting point before Republicans push him into one of his standard concessions. At this rate he has already preconceded 7% of the rate he already had going, and will probably concede us down to 25% or less.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:22:21 PM PDT

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      •  but China (0+ / 0-)

        It might be a slowdown, but for him to actually say it allowed China to come out and say they would pursue greenhouse gas restriction too.  President Obama has changed the conversation and that's important.

        Here's hoping it naturally drops much more than 30%.

        •  China Already There (0+ / 0-)

          China's official policy has been a 17% GHG drop from just 2012-2017 since they announced the 5 year plan in 2012. They will be encouraged by this slowdown to slow down too.

          Obama has changed the conversation to taking credit for other people's advances that he turned into setbacks. That is a summary of his entire administration, from stabilizing the economy in the ditch, to health finance underwriting the primacy of the big risktaking banks, to the Iraq and Afghanistan War slow drawdowns - even to electing the first Black president, which we the people did.

          If Obama gave us as much positive change as he does conversations (and so controversy surrounding pushback resulting in concessions and setbacks) we'd be pushing for a third term. Notice how nobody does that?

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 10:15:52 AM PDT

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  •  perhaps they'll say something relevant when they (13+ / 0-)

    read the entire 645 pages

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:39:12 PM PDT

  •  It's the GOP that is behaving like Chicken (14+ / 0-)

    Littles regarding the imposition of way too reasonable regs.  And the middle class will not be hurt by much of anything any more as the tweeters contend because GOP policies over the past 30 years have pretty much decimated the ranks of the middle class, and the GOP never did really worry about the effects of anything on the poor.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:39:43 PM PDT

  •  They are dangerous and a menace. (18+ / 0-)

    And becoming more so every day. They must be defeated. The alternative is too catastrophic.

  •  last night's cosmos showed us our two choices (19+ / 0-)

    ...aggressively attack greenhouse gases...or become venus.

    I guess the Repub's choose venus.

    We are not broke, we are being robbed. ~Shop Kos Katalogue~

    by Glen The Plumber on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 01:58:52 PM PDT

  •  I fucking hate these people. (14+ / 0-)

    I really do. Let's win back the House and add seats to the Senate folks. I don't know how much more of this we can take.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 02:33:47 PM PDT

    •  I hate Republicans more now than I did even (9+ / 0-)

      when Bush was President. The difference there is that almost all of the country's problems were directly related to that specifically incompetent administration itself. There were even one or two principled Republicans who would occasionally pay lip service to how bad it had gotten. Now? It's all of them. They are all super crazy and all pandering to lunatics.

      I'm gonna say it. They are TRYING to get Obama killed. There is no other explanation for this kind of rhetoric for such a mild policy dispute as green jobs. They are deliberately hurting this country and risking the President's safety because they are outright evil. They are terrible human beings.

      Even as recently as six years ago politicians didn't sound indistinguishable from radio shock jocks. I see no difference in tone from those tweets with what Rush Limbaugh spews daily. Republicans used to have people to do their dirty work of pandering to the crazies. Now they enthusiastically do it themselves. I fucking HATE them.

      Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

      by Matt Z on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 02:44:02 PM PDT

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      •  I am sorry if I offend people (9+ / 0-)

        with talk about assassination, which is rightly frowned upon here. But that is exactly what these people are trying to stir up. I hate it but I'm not going to ignore it anymore.

        Boy, that diary of the Obama effigy with the noose REALLY has me scared. I am a nervous wreck right now because of these bastards. I have never been as fearful for Obama as I have been since he won reelection. And I now believe it is deliberate. There is no other explanation.

        Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

        by Matt Z on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 02:58:51 PM PDT

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        •  i'm with you: they're a lynch mob. (3+ / 0-)
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          Thankfully we have the US Secret Service, and Obama made sure to be on a personally friendly basis with everyone on his protective detail.  Probably just because that's how Obama is, but none the less, comes in helpful when there are so many badguys running around with evil intent.

          We got the future back. Uh-oh.

          by G2geek on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:15:14 PM PDT

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  •  I want to propose a bill. (4+ / 1-)
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    Hidden by:

    It specifically demands that every time Inhofe opens his stupid useless cake-socket, he must recieve an immediate kick to the groin.

    •  sorry but that's an HR for supporting violence. (0+ / 0-)

      Nothing personal, and I would be happy to support any anti-Inhofe legislation that was constitutional and lawful, but "kick to the groin" is violence and not allowed here.

      If it was up to me, I'd propose a bill requiring Inhofe to eat a can of baked beans every morning.  Then the hot air coming out his topside would be matched by the hot air coming out below deck, and per Newtonian physics, the opposing force vectors would cancel, rendering him inert.  

      We got the future back. Uh-oh.

      by G2geek on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:23:48 PM PDT

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      •  Really (0+ / 0-)

        I'm relatively new as a commenter, but that seemed a little harsh. People can get a little hyperbolic when the issue is as existential as this is, and my guess is that that's what Jaimas did.  I can't imagine an actual bill that would involve ball-kicking.

        The question, O me! so sad, recurring–What good amid these O me, O life? Answer. That you are here–that life exists and identity, That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse. - Whitman

        by 350Energy on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 05:21:36 PM PDT

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  •  Geez, I can't afford a $17B electricy bill (3+ / 0-)
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    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 02:48:49 PM PDT

  •  If we had smart people running Power Plants (3+ / 0-)
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    We could meet EPAs 2020 targets earlier than expected without fighting.  But we don't have smart people running power plants.  We have conservative Republicans who believe we should go back to the 1920s and leave them alone to screw their customers as they see fit.
    Power plant managers are just happy that the fire stays lit in a coal-fired boiler.  If there's fire, don't fuck with it.  But, they could make a couple of modest maintenance-type modifications and remove all the pollutants from the coal feed before the fire and blend in 20% Natural Gas with the coal in the same burner and create more stable combustion at lower costs.  Blending Natural Gas with coal would meet the target CO2 reductions the EPA is seeking.
    Why wouldn't they embrace the mature technology to do that?  Because they are conservative Republicans and not very smart.  
    Using Solar and Wind power as much as we possibly can will make coal-fired power plants unnecessary from a cost basis, so the plants will get turned off.  We will meet the emissions requirements that was as well.  Personally, I think it would be gratifying if the power plants would approach the problem with a constructive attitude and work towards solving the technical problems.  But I'm absolutely fine with using solar and wind to the point they coal-fired plants are not needed as well.  

    •  Greed. It would require spending some profit now (4+ / 0-)
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      TofG, hbk, G2geek, jyssco

      (for more later, but like you said they are stupid).  Instead, they waste billions paying the Thug and Movement grifters to tell them sweet little lies about how they're the Real'mericanHeroes and its all that mean black libural's fault.

      Most of us grow out the need to have everything we see at about 10 years old.  Not these infants.

  •  Who are you going to believe? (7+ / 0-)
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    nzanne, TofG, Eric Nelson, hbk, G2geek, 350Energy, jyssco

    The US Chamber of Commerce, or Harvard University's School of Public Health?  

    Harvard places the health and economic costs of coal to the US environment at $300-500 billion annually, more or less equaling out the USCC's most pessimistic predictions about increasing energy costs.

    I wish we could have a rational, national conversation.  Coal is fast becoming history.  Even without developing greener sources of energy, natural gas is increasingly replacing coal.  Coal mining, in Appalachia in particular, is going extinct.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 03:34:21 PM PDT

  •  No surprise at the Republican push-back and lies (5+ / 0-)
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    The carbon lobby is far too strong in the Citizens United vs FEC corrupted USA.

    I recently visited Germany, where despite the more northerly latitude, 47% of electricity is generated from wind, solar, and biofuels. They are actively moving away from nuclear as they close nuke plants, as well as away carbon from the volatile Middle East and Putin's Russia.

    •  but thanks to closing those nukes... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...they are proportionally increasing the use of coal.

      Thereby proving that the no-nukers are nobody's friend except the coal industry's, when it comes to climate change.

      And also thereby proving that the Greens in Germany are as useless as the Green Party USA.    

      We got the future back. Uh-oh.

      by G2geek on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:18:46 PM PDT

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      •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

        Close coal first, then we can discuss the rest.

        The question, O me! so sad, recurring–What good amid these O me, O life? Answer. That you are here–that life exists and identity, That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse. - Whitman

        by 350Energy on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 05:23:32 PM PDT

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        •  close coal without a replacement, and then... (0+ / 0-)

          ... we can discuss the rest via postal mail, because that'll keep working while the power is out while we chatter about replacing it.

          The way to do this is to shut down coal plants as their replacements are built.  For every gigawatt of non-carbon energy going online, shut down a gigawatt of coal.  

          Basic physics: you can't drive a bus over a bridge that's out.

          We got the future back. Uh-oh.

          by G2geek on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 10:53:55 PM PDT

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      •  It was a coalition of parties... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...that decided to phase out nukes.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 08:22:26 PM PDT

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  •  Dagger in the heart? (5+ / 0-)

    Hey Mitch,

    How is a dagger to the heart possible when, according to you, Obamacare has already ripped the middle classes heart out and set it aflame, like Mola Ram in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?

    Cons are such a bunch of assholes.  And Mitchy the Kid is the asshole's asshole.

    Big money got a mean streak...big money got no soul. - N. Peart

    by jsibley on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 03:37:29 PM PDT

  •  GOP on the environment: Cue Simon & Garfunkel: (4+ / 0-)
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    "Still crazy after all these years."

  •  Even business friendly Forbes admits that the.. (8+ / 0-) EPA CO2 emissions rule  will create more than 250,000 jobs - June 2, 2014

    On the other hand, the Natural Resources Defense Council (pdf) figures the rule will create more than 250,000 jobs (someone’s got to install all those solar panels and windmills) and will lead to lower energy bills over time.

    The EPA reportedly estimates that investments needed to meet the emission limits will cost about $8 billion a year, but would save 6,600 lives and more than $50 billion a year in health care costs tied to air pollution.

    Creates opportunities to invest in clean energy industries of the future, saves thousands of lives, saves billions in health care costs and creates good paying clean jobs - exactly opposite from what republicans have chosen to report.

    So "what is painfully clear" is, not a single one of the RWNJ tweets is true.

    Thx MB

    •  divide and conquer (1+ / 0-)
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      Wall Street LOVES cap and trade.  It's the ultimate rentier boondoggle--certain money.  And there are plenty of multinationals that are starting to feel the bite of global warming on their bottom line.

      President Obama has been as clever with this as he was with Obamacare, which got the big private insurance companies behind him.

  •  Lockstep, Lock-tweet. (1+ / 0-)
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    Now they distract themselves from Benghazi!

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 03:48:07 PM PDT

  •  I would like to ask these corporatists just one (4+ / 0-)
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    question...would you support a federal law called something like the Energy Entrepreneurs Act that would allow farmers, small business owners and home owners to sell any energy they produce to the grid at the same retail rate they would normally have to pay?

    Of course, they would certainly say 'no' which would prove they really don't care about creating jobs at all.  

    Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

    by RMForbes on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 03:49:27 PM PDT

  •  What, (3+ / 0-)
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    You were expecting a GOP love fest?

    They are acting exactly as expected, which is unfortunite for our country's long term survival.

  •  All - ALL - Republicans... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... and fellow conservatives can fuck off.  They are evil or in the willing service of evil.

    No good human being can vote Republican any more than one could have voted for Mr. 6-letter German surname.

  •  my LTE today here in southern OR (4+ / 0-)
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    submitted today...not yet published

    FACT: Carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels are one of the major greenhouse gases affecting climate change & global warming.
    FACT: Carbon dioxide levels in our atmosphere are the highest they have been over the past 800,000 years!
    FACT: Public health, national security, and our economy are all endangered by the mounting carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.  Military leaders, scientists and health experts agree.  
    FACT: We have the know-how to stem this tide, but it requires governmental help.  Unfortunately too many politicians owe their jobs (campaign contributions) to the Fossil Fuel Industry.  
    FACT: On May 22nd the most corrupt in congress passed the McKinley amendment that in effect denied these facts and seeks to prevent our military from addressing them.  
    FACT:  Greg Walden voted for this amendment to keep us from addressing climate change.   This vote shows that his concerns are not with our economy, not with our health and certainly not with our security.

    I am outraged and sick at heart that greed and corruption are trumping future life.

    But I am encouraged that our president and the EPA are today (6/2) proposing an important first step to limit carbon pollution from power plants.  

    "When wealth rules, democracy dies." Me

    by leema on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 03:55:01 PM PDT

  •  Tom Price sounds like a cheap arsonist... (0+ / 0-)
  •  Makes my day to piss off Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    Makes my day to piss off Republicans

  •  Typical GOP (1+ / 0-)
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    They spent the last 5 years lying their asses off about "Obamacare".

    Now they're lying their asses off about climate change.

    The more things change...

  •  Lets wait until we wear masks and boil water (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans will do with climate as they usually do: just look at the VA: they don't want to fund it, they don't care for it, they laugh at it, they overflow it…then when the shit hits the fan they play the fake outrage and blame others...

  •  Well - - Duh! (0+ / 0-)

    Of course they are going to say these things.
    And, of course, it also happens to be an election year.

    Who cares about the Senate, anyhoo?

    South Dakota - Gone.
    West Virginia - Not a chance.
    Montana - Not very good.
    Louisiana - Another kick in the keister.
    Colorado - Hmmmm.

    And this surely doesn't help Grimes' chances any in Kentucky.


    Remember what happened to the GOP Senate class of 1980 in 1986.

    •  What year should we wait to announce... (3+ / 0-)

      ...carbon dioxide-cutting rules?

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 08:04:42 PM PDT

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      •  Major Policy - (0+ / 0-)

        When the nation must enact major policy changes, it should go through legislative channels as difficult as that may be. To do otherwise is to ask for political retaliation - which is exactly what is taking place. The growth of administrative fiat is one of the major factors behind Euroskepticism and the results of last month's EU elections.

        My initial views on this subject were not that different than yours a few years ago; however, the tactics that climate advocates have used are proving disastrous - not only for climate issues, but other environmental issues - and for progressive goals in all areas.

        There is practically zero chance that the Dems can win back the House, in fact, the Goppers will likely gain a few seats.  Thus it is essential that the Dems keep the Senate - in a difficult year and with the numbers against them. Otherwise, the last two years of the Obama administration will be a cascade of vetoes - which may have a serious impact on 2016, too.

        How hard is that to see?

        •  What is proving disastrous are the tactics... (0+ / 0-)

          ...of the delayers, those who, supposedly like me, believe that climate change is a crisis that needs immediate attention but are unwilling to do anything serious about it.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 09:26:38 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks - (0+ / 0-)

            For the moral judgment.
            (Not that such is off-putting or anything)

            •  I see. It's perfectly okay for you to describe ... (1+ / 0-)
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     disastrous the tactics of climate activists, some who whom have been spied on and infiltrated for their opposition to Keystone XL, many of whom have spent decades arguing the case for doing something about climate change—practically begging for the legislative remedy you say is the way to handle things even though most Republicans and a substantial fraction of Democrats have refused to provide that remedy—who have worked through the channels for 25 years during which time they were smeared by propagandists and ignored by the powers-that-be. Some have engaged in civil disobedience because they were ignored.

              But it's morally self-righteous of me to call the tactics of the delayers disastrous since their inaction has the exact same impact as the deniers' obstructionism? Puhleez.

              And you complain about rule by fiat, when in fact, the Supreme Court has twice ruled that the EPA doesn't just have the option, it has the obligation to set rules for controlling pollution, including pollution from carbon dioxide emissions, under the Clean Air Act. Such rules have a 40+ year history.

              I asked you a simple question. In what year will it be okay to announce carbon dioxide-cutting rules?

              Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

              by Meteor Blades on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 04:45:11 PM PDT

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              •  Perhaps We Should Wait - (0+ / 0-)

                Until Senator Lamont weighs in.

                At least then there will be a safe Democratic Senate majority.
                But then again, I am confident that a GOP Senate will go to any lengths to enact progressive environmental legislation.

                PS - Keystone XL is far more environmentally benign than rail shipment.  It's as if the rail corporations have thousands of PR people out there.  And speaking of "puh-leeez" I find it rather disingenuous when those seeking to stop KXL are shocked - - shocked - - that crude oil unit trains are put on line.

  •  Charles Pierce has a good piece up at Esq (3+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson, TomFromNJ, 350Energy

    Cue the Crazies: The EPA's New Coal Standards Are Out

    [ ] Climate change is a looming global catastrophe that demands a global response. It is an already occurring national calamity that demands a national response. People in Kentucky have to pay for storm damage in New Jersey just as people in New Jersey have to pay for floods in West Virginia. There are only two options. Either you can go Galt completely and announce that it's essentially everybody for themselves. (There was some of that in the conservative carping over paying for the damage done by SuperStorm Sandy.) Or you can recognize that, some times, and this is one of them, that we are one country and that provincial political concerns have to take a back seat to a duty to the country itself. There is not one place in this country that will not suffer the consequences of a planetary climate drived mad by carbon. We truly are all in this together.[ ]
    note to ms grimes

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:14:42 PM PDT

  •  Obama's Proposal is a Setback (0+ / 0-)

    It's not a 30% cut over the 16 years 2015-2030. It's 30% over the 24 years 2006-2030. We already cut 13% 2006-2014.

    That means we're 37.5% through the cutting years. And we've already cut 43.3% of "Obama's 30%" cuts. That means Obama is actually slowing the rate of cuts, only 87% of the rate before this announcement. Half of what's already cut were cut under Bush, before Obama.

    And here's Obama's hype slathered on a setback provoking the predictable pushback from Republicans. He'll middleman us into slowing the cuts ever further, while handing them campaign fundraising and vote turnout fodder.

    It reminds me of Obama's "end the war" BS. The Iraq War "ended" on the exact schedule that Bush set - and enforced by the Iraqi government, denying Obama's attempts to keep troops there without being subject to Iraqi law. Last week Obama announced that he's "ending" US troops in Afghanistan - by leaving ten thousand of them to fight there. But they'll be gone "by the end of 2016" - just in time for some other president to keep them there.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:17:56 PM PDT

  •  it's the end of the world as we know it! (0+ / 0-)

    maybe the nyt's will have another article, discussing the GOP gibberish with respect to the environment this time.

    the GOP seems to work on the "thousand monkey" theory:

    if you put 1,000 monkeys in front of 1,000 keyboards, they'll eventually type something that actually makes sense.

    the real problem with this theory, it assumes there are 1,000 republicans as smart as a monkey. could take a while.

  •  I shared this on another diary about science de... (1+ / 0-)
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    Meteor Blades

    I shared this on another diary about science deniers but think the comment might be better suited here.

    I had signed a petition calling on Congressman Don Young to support the EPA. From the below I could tell it wasn't going to happen.

    "While I have serious doubts as to the validity of man-made global warming, at the very least, Congress should be responsible for imposing such potentially life altering regulations rather than a few nameless and faceless bureaucrats within a federal agency ( referring to the EPA). An action such as this circumvents our Constitution by marginalizing the U.S. Congress and the system of representational democracy it created. "

    Which was funny to me cause the EPA is full of scientists while the senate and congress tend to be full of S#!+.

  •  Recycling their anti-Obamacare nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

    Cut and paste.

    Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

    by Bob Love on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 04:35:31 PM PDT

  •  Whatever Marsha Blackburn Says is Wrong..... (0+ / 0-)

    She is up there (down there?) with Louie Gohmert as dumbest Congressperson ever.

  •  I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out (0+ / 0-)

    how otherwise intelligent people are buying into the ridiculous concept of using executive fiat to implement a plan that runs through 2030.  Executive orders don't bind any future president.   They can be reversed with the stroke of a pen by another president.   Bear in mind -- there will be four presidential elections between now and 2030.   Executive orders don't even bind the current president.  Obama can change his mind on a whim about any of this EPA stuff he's ordering.   And yet, we're supposed to believe we're on the brink of implementing a plan that will run through 2030.  It's silly.

  •  Republicans are the dagger in the heart of (0+ / 0-)

    the American middle class.

    When and how can get rid of those middle class killers?

    We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

    by mimi on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 05:31:04 PM PDT

  •  It embaresses me that (0+ / 0-)

    Rep. Noem (empty suit - SD) and Sen Thune (empty suit - SD) are my representatives in the congress.

    "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light, with the possible exception of bad news. Which follows its own special rules." ~ Douglas Adams

    by coyote66 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 10:05:29 PM PDT

  •  Birmingham, AL in the Sixties (1+ / 0-)
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    I grew up in B'ham in the fifties and sixties, left in 1969 to go to college out of state. Have never gone back except to visit relatives and friends.

    I lived through the tooth and nail fight of the corporations against the clean air acts of the late sixties into the seventies, that were trying to fix the kind of situation you had in Birmingham.

    Birmingham nestles in the shadow of Red Mountain, a low ridge of the Appalachians that runs SW to NE along the south edge of the city.

    In the sixties, the steel mills to the west of the city in Bessemer area were still a teeming industry. And the poured out a constant stream of smoke and toxic chemicals that left Birmingham blanketed almost constantly with a thick black blanket of smog that flowed straight up the valley to the NW, driven by the prevailing winds, and covering the entire city in air so filthy that rates of lung disease were astronomically high.

    My first year in college, I lived on the south side of Red Mountain, "Over the Mountain" as we called it. I rode my motorcycle in going north over the Green Springs highway every morning to get to the city and college I was attending, Birmingham-Southern (plug for a great liberal arts institute, shamelessly inserted here).

    The day may have dawned beautiful and sunny on the south side of the mountain, but as I rode up Green Springs and crossed the ridge and could suddenly see the city laid out below, there it was: in shadow beneath a black, roiling, solid blanket of smoke and emissions from the steel mills, streaming from the SW and covering the entire city.

    The industries fought the clean air acts tooth and nail.

    Basically, the corporate kleptocracy has always been with us. They would prefer we breath dirt and die, if it in any way has to be factored into their model as a cost of doing business. The very idea of having to clean up the air from a company's smoke stakes was nothing less than a Commie plot to suck the marrow out of true blue capitalist Americans.

    Obviously little has changed, in fact, we appear to have slid backwards in this country.

    "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there." “When you come to the fork in the road, take it.” --Yogi Berra

    by HeartlandLiberal on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:56:39 AM PDT

  •  The cost of civilization Some say with taxes we... (0+ / 0-)

    The cost of civilization

    Some say with taxes we buy civilization. If climate change legislation passes they are surely right. The planet will endure anything we do to it. Whether civilization will endure is the open question

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