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January 18, 2014-New York- Governor Cuomo delivers keynote address at the National Action Network"s Saturday Action Rally in celebration of Martin Luther King Jr.

By Richard Kirsch, originally published on Next New Deal

It would be a mistake to think that the New York Working Families Party's endorsement of a Wall Street, austerity Democrat—Andrew Cuomo—is a defeat for the surging progressive wing of the Democratic Party. In fact, just the opposite is true. The endorsement was a demonstration of how to build power to do what progressive politics is ultimately about: delivering real improvements in people’s lives.

Up to 24 hours before the WFP’s Saturday convention, it looked like the Party would nominate Zephyr Teachout, a law professor and activist leader in the fight to reverse Citizens United and enact robust public campaign financing, who ran Howard Dean’s breakthrough online organizing and fundraising campaign for president. Public opinion polls taken earlier in May showed that a progressive WFP candidate could get more than 20 percent of the popular vote, radically shrinking Cuomo’s victory margin and his quest to demonstrate nationally that he would be a credible candidate for president.

That threat forced Cuomo to agree to make a u-turn in the way he has dealt with the New York State Senate and to agree to push for the passage of six very important progressive priorities in the legislature. After Cuomo, looking to me like a cornered man, made those pledges by video and phone to the WFP convention, a majority of delegates (58 percent), including me—I’m a member of the WFP State Committee—approved his endorsement.

Cuomo’s key concession was to end his support for the coalition between Republican state senators and a handful of breakaway Democratic state senators, which effectively had maintained Republican control of the State Senate. With the exception of a brief period four years ago, Republicans have controlled the New York’s State Senate for decades, blocking an Empire State Building-high pile of progressive bills passed by the State Assembly.

Please read below the fold for more on this story.

Cuomo agreed to join New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York unions active in the WFP—including SEIU, New York City’s United Federation of Teachers, CWA, and UAW—to create a well-funded campaign to elect Democrats and to run primaries against any Democrats who do not agree to fully support Democratic control of the state senate.

But what swayed my vote and the vote of other delegates is the specific package of legislation that Cuomo agreed to push for, should the campaign be successful in putting Democrats in control of the Senate.

One is immediately raising the minimum wage in New York to $10.10, indexed to inflation, and agreeing to allow local governments to raise wages 30 percent higher. Cuomo has been strongly opposed to giving local governments the authority to do that. This alone is a huge victory for the fast-food workers’ movement, which originated in the city, as there is little doubt that Mayor de Blasio and the progressive City Council majority elected with him will quickly take advantage of their new power if given the opportunity.

A second bill would decriminalize marijuana. New York would become the first state to do so legislatively, rather than by referendum. Given the huge racial imbalance of pot arrests in the city, which continues to ruin the futures of generations of young Black and Latino men, this is an enormous step forward for racial justice and against mass incarceration.

The New York Dream Act is on the list, which would provide tuition assistance to DREAM kids, aspiring immigrant college students who were brought to the United States as children. The governor also committed to support funding of 100 community schools in low-income communities outside of NYS, which provide social, health and emotional services and act as community centers. Mayor de Blasio will support funding another 100 in New York City.

Another bill is the Women’s Equality Act, with ten provisions including one that the Republican controlled State Senate has opposed—codifying the right for women to determine whether to have an abortion. The Act would includes measures on promoting pay equity, stopping sexual harassment, preventing pregnancy discrimination in all workplaces, strengthening human trafficking laws, bolstering protections for domestic violence victims, and ending family status discrimination.

Last but absolutely not least is finally a robust small-donor public financing bill for statewide and legislative races. In the long run, if this becomes law, it will be the most significant part of the agreement. As Mayor de Blasio pointed out in his speech urging the WFP delegates to give Cuomo their votes in return with this agreement, he could not have been elected mayor without the New York City public financing law, which is the model for the state bill.

De Blasio began his remarks reminding the WFP delegates that he had been a founder of the Party. De Blasio brokered the deal between the WFP and the governor, saying that he could not deliver on a progressive agenda in New York City unless Democrats gained control of the state senate.

The delegates who voted for Teachout were motivated by two factors, which were shared by almost everyone who attended the convention. One is a strong distaste and distrust for Cuomo. The second is the heartfelt pull to vote for Teachout as a candidate who shares our values and worldview. Particularly in the context of the national debate within the Democratic Party over whether it will become the party of Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio, this was a powerful attraction for Teachout’s candidacy.

As those of you who follow my writing know, I work a lot on helping progressives promote our ideology, our worldview. As such, you might have expected me to decide that Teachout’s campaign—which would have given voice to that worldview—would have been where I stood. But for me, the reason I focus on changing worldviews is not just because I want people to agree with us. It is because when people share our worldview, they are much more likely to support candidates and policies that deliver on our core beliefs.

For me, this is the ultimate purpose of politics: to enact laws that deliver concrete improvements in people’s lives, that help them care for and support their families and live in dignity, that protect us and our planet.

On Saturday, WFP used its political muscle—built through a 16 year process of organizing, coalition building, and electing progressives to higher and higher offices—to take what could be a game-changing step in New York to winning real improvements in people’s lives and making it possible for candidates in New York to win office without relying on big campaign contributions. That’s what political power should be used for. And like any muscle, using it just makes it—and in this case progressive political power —stronger.

Richard Kirsch is a Senior Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute, a Senior Adviser to USAction, and the author of Fighting for Our Health. He was National Campaign Manager of Health Care for America Now during the legislative battle to pass reform.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Economics on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 07:30 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  thanks! (14+ / 0-)

    Thank you for posting this. I felt such disappointment when I first heard about this. I always vote WFP, and really don't like or trust Cuomo. I don't follow WFP politics at all so had no idea how this could have happened.

    This all makes perfect sense and now I can support this move.

    I guess my only question is, how will WFP hold Cuomo accountable if he goes back on his word? What kinds of guarantees are there?

    •  Ha, that's the rub (10+ / 0-)

      WFP endorsed Cuomo so that he can push Democratic priorities that he has promised to push for before, without result.  What a deal!

      Had WFP run a third party candidate, Cuomo would have felt the pressure to actually enact these measures to rally the base towards him.

      http://livingthedream.org

      by janosnation on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 07:56:30 AM PDT

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      •  The diff is he pledged to help D's take NY Senate (3+ / 0-)

        ...this time, while in the past he conspicuously refrained from supporting D Senate candidates in close races.

        His chronic excuse for not enacting progressive promises was that the Senate would not go a long, omitting to mention that the GOP only controls the Senate with the votes of a handful of "Independent Democrats."  It is generally believed by observers acrss the spectrum that the IDC only defected with at least the  tacit aquiescence if not connivance of the Governor.

        Cuomo has promised to raise a lot of money for Democrats runnning for the state Senate this time, and warned the IDC either to rejoin the Democratic conference or face primary challenges with his blessing.

        We will know soon enough whether he will follow through.

        There's no such thing as a free market!

        by Albanius on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:06:25 PM PDT

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      •  I don't agree with the endorsement of (1+ / 0-)
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        Cuomo, but according to Frank Bruni in today's NYT, this was a big win for the WFP. He stated that four years ago they begged Cuomo to take their line, this time it was Cuomo doing the begging.

        •  Well, that's one opinion. (1+ / 0-)
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          Frankly, I think it's blusterous spin.  They have no means of forcing him to follow through, and he's already started backtracking some of his promises.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 06:58:47 PM PDT

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    •  There are no guarantees except Cuomo's word (17+ / 0-)

      which pretty much tells you everything.

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 10:56:29 AM PDT

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    •  I hope Richard responds to this. (1+ / 0-)
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      It seems to be the only question.

      "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

      by GussieFN on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 02:41:53 PM PDT

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      •  But he won't. Far as I can tell, Roosevelt (4+ / 0-)
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        Institute doesn't engage in conversation here. Every single comment in the history of that account is a Tip Jar, for as far back as my patience lasted.

        What are they doing on the front page?

        "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

        by GussieFN on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 02:55:06 PM PDT

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      •  Here's another: Please explain how WFP is any less (2+ / 0-)
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        of a scam than the Independence Party?

        The latter is a bad joke on New Yorkers who think they are registering as independents and are actually enabling some very bad folks to wield untoward power over candidates.

        In NY, independents are actually registered as NOP--no official party.  

        The WFP party seems little better to me now. Just a self-perpetuating power base for a few politicos potecting  personal fiefdoms.

        Do NOT vote for Democrats on the WFP line. Never vote for anyone on the Independence line.

        Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

        by Catskill Julie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:01:37 PM PDT

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        •  Because if there (0+ / 0-)

          is some enforcement mechanism, then the WFP just got some serious concessions from Cuomo. That's no scam.

          If there isn't any enforcement, then I don't know enough about the WFP to respond.

          "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

          by GussieFN on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:05:29 PM PDT

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          •  Wasn't asking you to explain, Gussie. Just adding (0+ / 0-)

            my question to yours.

            Richard should answer my question.

            Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

            by Catskill Julie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:17:46 PM PDT

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            •  We already know there is no enforcement (3+ / 0-)
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              mechanism.
              WFP admits it.
              They said publicly that even if Cuomo "rolls" them, they will still vote for him on their WFP line--because that, keeping their precious ballot line and the power that conveys, is the ONLY thing that matters.

              All their policy posturing is thus shown to be empty fund-raising rhetoric.

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:22:44 PM PDT

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        •  Do some homework (1+ / 0-)
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          The WFP has a record of progressive accomplishment with limited resources in difficult terrain.  

          http://prospect.org/...

          'In 2003, the party deviated from its usual practice and ran community activist Letitia James only on the WFP line against an unqualified Democratic nominee for a Brooklyn City Council seat. James won with 72 percent of the vote, becoming the first strictly third-party candidate elected to the council in nearly 50 years.

          'The campaign that made the WFP’s reputation in New York state was its 2004 effort to elect a little-known lawyer named David Soares as Albany’s district attorney. Cantor conceived the campaign as a way to dismantle the so-called Rockefeller drug laws, which for decades had wreaked havoc in minority communities by imposing lengthy prison sentences on people apprehended with small amounts of drugs. Civil-rights groups had tried and failed repeatedly to get the law reformed or repealed. “Dan came up with the notion,” Master says, “that if we could win a D.A. race in which the candidate says the Rockefeller drug laws are terrible policy, it could break the legislative gridlock holding up their modification or repeal.”

          '“I didn’t understand their strategy initially,” Soares says. “They placed huge emphasis on educating the electorate on reforming the Rockefeller drug laws. Most people don’t understand how a D.A.’s race could be a force for change, but the party did a great job on messaging.” Cantor raised money from sentencing--reform advocates, Scharff turned out precinct walkers, and Lipton ran the campaign in perpetual overdrive. “After a day of knocking on doors in the rain, 30 volunteers and I come back to the campaign headquarters, wet and exhausted,” Soares says. “It’s nine o’clock. Lipton gets up on a desk to thank everybody and gets them to stuff envelopes for another two hours.”

          'Soares defeated Clyne by 25 percentage points. Six weeks later, the legislature pared back the Rockefeller laws, and when the Democrats captured the state senate four years after that, the laws were repealed altogether.'

          There's no such thing as a free market!

          by Albanius on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:30:58 PM PDT

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        •  I realize your question was to the diarist (1+ / 0-)
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          and I too am disappointed in the WFPs decision, but I don't put the WFP in the same league as the Independence party in any way, shape, or form.

          The Independence party exists for the benefit of the party leaders itself, that's it.  They endorse whoever they feel will win and have no actual policy planks that they ask for or enforce.  It's essentially little more than a patronage mill for political grifters.  They have no activists and no political machinery to help get anyone elected.  I don't even know that they even try that hard to get much funding for the party.  AFAIK, they don't do much fundraising.

          The WFP has actual policy planks, has actual activists, and has political machinery - like unions - to help get pols elected and to provide funds.  The idea behind the party is that it is a labor oriented party that pushes for progressive policy, but its leaders currently seem more concerned about keeping their party line than actually looking for progressive policy due to their fear of retribution from Cuomo.  They feel if they don't endorse Cuomo, they won't get the 50k votes needed to keep their ballot line.  I disagree with them on that assessment, though I agree that if they did run a candidate against Cuomo, he would do everything he could to destroy the party.  I don't know if he would succeed, however.  It depends on whether or not the pro-Cuomo unions went along with trying to blow the party up and if the anti-Cuomo unions and the party activists could keep the party together and well funded.

          I may not agree with their decision, and think it was a cop-out, but I certainly don't put them anywhere near the disgusting classification I put the Independence party in.

          YMMV.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:40:28 PM PDT

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          •  Degrees of grifterism? (0+ / 0-)
            but its leaders currently seem more concerned about keeping their party line than actually looking for progressive policy due to their fear of retribution from Cuomo.
            For sure there are no words for how reprehensible the Independence Party is.

            But I have lost the little respect I still had for WFP.

            Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

            by Catskill Julie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:53:58 PM PDT

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            •  I don't see the desire to keep the line (2+ / 0-)
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              in and of itself as "grifterism."  Grifterism is all the juiced-in Independence party clowns (and friends and family) in patronage positions all over in state and local government.  The WFP doesn't have that.

              Their leaders are right in that without the line, the party is toothless.  But I think their concerns were a bit exaggerated simply as an excuse to endorse a governor some of them feared and some of them are tight with.

              Let's put it this way:  On top of the Q poll that showed a liberal challenger getting 20% of the vote, MoveOn polled 500k+ of it's members in New York on what they felt.  73% of them wanted a liberal challenger to Cuomo.

              It's extremely doubtful this would have cost them their line.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 06:30:08 PM PDT

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    •  The last question is the $64,000 question! (7+ / 0-)

      Which is why I believe WFP sold us progressives out.

      How can we really trust Cuomo to keep his word?!  A Koch puppet at that!

      Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

      by Mannie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:39:11 PM PDT

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    •  Lucy. Football. The role of the WFP . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      has become to give cover on the left to the corporatist Democrats. It has all the vices of a union movement that is still mired in the "business unionism" and acceptance of neoliberal capitalism that has, to put it nicely, not worked so well.

      The Working Families Party is another disappointment. And Cuomo is laughing at you. Laughing.

      For what is the crime of the robbing of a bank compared to the crime of the founding of a bank? - Brecht

      by Joe Hill PDX on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 06:14:46 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the comic relief :-) n/t (16+ / 0-)

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 08:00:08 AM PDT

  •  New York... (16+ / 0-)

    If Cuomo has broken promises before what is the reason to think that he will behave differently now? The way he acted regarding the charter school debate recently shows to me his true colors. What leverage do you have to make sure he changes his behavior?

    "Patients are not consumers" - Paul Krugman

    by assyrian64 on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 08:47:45 AM PDT

  •  you've expressed my views exactly... (5+ / 0-)

    ...and it seems to me that the best way to help the Working Families Party continue to leverage its power is to give them the biggest number of votes ever. That's why my intention is to vote for Cuomo on the Working Families Party line this November. If progressives do that, it will give us greater influence after November.

    The WFP now has Cuomo on record and there will be heck to pay if he doesn't start trying to live up to his promises after November...and this time Cuomo knows it. (My assessment is that, previously, like all of those political "triangulators" Cuomo had just been assuming that progressives would have nowhere else to turn but him...that the WFP have helped to cure him of that mistaken notion.)

    •  What "heck" will there be to pay? (5+ / 0-)

      Cuomo will win in November with 80%.  

      •  What will that heck be? (5+ / 0-)

        What can they do to Cuomo once he is reelected, give him a serious tongue lashing?

        We were sold out. WFP can kiss my donations goodbye and I won't be working for or donating to de Blasio again, if he runs again. So far de Blasio has not lifted a finger for NYC's poorest or tried to do anything to tame Con Ed and their 4 rate increases per year or NYC's greedy landlords and now this on top of that!

    •  If "somewhere else to turn " is the "same place" (3+ / 0-)

      as before ... where has  anyone gone ?

      Yes ... obviously ... I'll give it a try:  I've been voting WFP since '92 ... I guess  I'll vote WFP again.

      But it's like break-up sex:  "one last time, the magic is gone. "

      Maybe WFP isn't "transitioning" to being another NY Liberal Party type of organization ...

      Maybe WFP can leverage Cuomo promises into a progressive agenda, in New York State.

      But, y'know ... if it turns out to be  Jeb Bush vs Andrew Cuomo in 2016 ...  

      Frankly, I don't know now what I would do then.

      •  the WFP seems (1+ / 0-)
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        to have extracted some important concessions from Cuomo this time around, not the least of which is his commitment to work for a Democratic majority. He can't fake that from now until November.

        •  Note the absurdity of your comment (8+ / 0-)

          It is a concession to compel the leader of the NY Dem party to endorse and support Dem candidates!?  What a fucking pathetic position to be in if one touts this as a grand concession.  

          •  Irony, not absurdity (1+ / 0-)
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            from Prince Andrew, it IS a concession.

            There's no such thing as a free market!

            by Albanius on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:40:44 PM PDT

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          •  my comment is not absurd... (0+ / 0-)

            it's based on reality. The fact is that the Working Families Party did extract concessions, forcing Cuomo leftward.

            Regarding his commitment to work toward helping Democrats get elected: people are forgetting one very important thing about the election two years ago: Cuomo cajoled and begged enough Republicans to support gay marriage, since there were a couple of Democratic holdouts.
            In exchange, he promised those Republicans, who took great risks to buck their own party, not to run against them.
            He kept his promise to those Republicans who put their careers on the line to help him fulfill an important promise.

            Apparently, nuances and details are not important to some people. They are to me.

            •  Which worked out well (1+ / 0-)
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              for Alesi, McDonald, and Saland, right?  Alesi retired rather than face a primary, McDonald got trounced in a primary by Marchione, and Saland lost to a Democratic challenger even though he had Cuomos backing over the Democrat.  Only Grisanti is still in office.

              So 3 of the 4 GOP votes for SSM are no longer in office because of the SSM vote.

              Don't get me wrong here.  I agree with you on this point and this point alone.  Cuomo did indeed keep his promise on this - to a degree.  He did indeed endorse them and lent them at least token support.  In fact, I took another diarist to task the other day for attacking Cuomo for endorsing these Republican Senators in 2012 because the diarist didn't really explain the reasons why Cuomo did it.  I agree that Cuomo made a deal to get SSM and was right to keep that deal.  But I'd also say that he did as little as he possibly had to to be able to say he kept up his end of the bargain - and the results for those Senators is reflective of that.

              Point here being, Cuomo got what he wanted, and he really didn't care about the consequences to anyone else.  These guys mainly got lip service and a campaign ad or two.  Cuomo certainly wasn't in the trenches slogging it out for them day in and day out.

              That being said, this is not SSM.  It is not the same kind of situation as the SSM vote.  And Cuomo has done nothing - nothing - to work towards getting the Democrats control of the Senate in any election during his term.  He didn't try to do so in 2010.  He didn't try to do so in 2012 - he certainly could have endorsed the GOPers that voted for SSM and worked to oust GOPers that voted against it - especially in tight districts like the Amedore/Tkaczyk contest in the 46th district.  He certainly hasn't done squat up to this point to either get the IDC back into the fold or replace them with Democrats, and he certainly hasn't done anything to go after Simcha Felder for outright caucusing with the Republicans.

              He promised a political party he'd essentially "do his best" to bring the Senate under Democratic control.  This is no where near the same as what you outlined above, and he will certainly face no danger in welching on the deal, just as he got no backlash for not doing all that much for those GOP senators and having 3 of the 4 lose their seats - because his "promise" here is far more vague and far easier to weasel out of.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 08:13:54 PM PDT

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      •  The lesser of 2 evils is still evil (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm done voting for the lesser of 2 evils out of fear. I've done it over and over again and all it does is make so called Democrats more Republican than ever. Why should they be for the people if they get voted in anyway being for the very rich who can line their pockets? They know now there is nothing to be afraid of when they throw Liberals/Progressives under the bus.

        •  if you are only going to vote for the (0+ / 0-)

          candidate who agrees with you 100 percent of the time...you won't be voting for very many people.

          Virtually every single election faced by me has been a choice between someone less offensive than the other. There are very few occasions that this voter has ever enthusiastically supported someone for office.

          •  It's one thing (3+ / 0-)
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            to have to choose between the lesser or two evils when there are, quite literally, no other choices.

            It's one thing to vote for the lesser of two evils when you believe that by voting your conscience, you could put the bigger evil in office (see Bush/Gore/Nader).

            This is not one of those times.  It is a time when liberals could have safely voted their conscience - at least based on the results of the Q poll, which showed him winning by +15 over Astorino with a liberal challenger in the mix, but +30 without one.  There was almost no danger of Astorino winning.  Even Markos stated he had considered endorsing the liberal WFP candidate because of this - until they named Teachout, anyway.  And we know how he is - he adamantly states he will never endorse anyone but a Democrat - so for him to consider putting that aside, clearly, the consensus is Astorino had no chance.

            He wins this election by a walk no matter what.  There was no danger of the bigger evil winning the day.  There has never been a safer opportunity to send a message to a wayward Democrat that this in all my time of voting.

            "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

            by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 07:15:51 PM PDT

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          •  And also, if you only vote for a candidate (0+ / 0-)

            who offers a credible 50/50 proposition that they will agree perhaps 50% of the time ...

            Pretty much the same thing, right ?

            I'm a very old man.  I remember Democrats, who although imperfect, were tangibly better than their opponents ...  and those were not the grotesque gargoyles that adorn the the GOP's political facades, these days.

            (And for that matter, back then some of the worst-of-the-worst were our very own Dixiecrats).

    •  Isn't this the old Charlie Brown football routine? (2+ / 0-)
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      It's been a while since this metaphor has been invoked around here.

    •  ROFL. (2+ / 0-)
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      To a narcissist like Cuomo, a vote for him is a vote for him, so voting for him on the WFP line does nothing but tell him that you agree with him.

      As Cuomo said Sunday about the WFP endorsement:  "All that matters is that I won."

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:48:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  actually...that's not the case (0+ / 0-)

        ...in my case, Cuomo will get my vote because, of all of the people on the ballot, he is better than all of the other choices...and the best way for me to convey to him this voter's preference for a more progressive agenda is to vote for him on the line of the most progressive political party we have in this state. So...Cuomo gets my vote on the Working Families Party because that's the best option of the candidates running.

        •  That's naive. (2+ / 0-)
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          Not to be flippant, but again:  he doesn't care what line you vote for him on.  He only cares that you vote for him.  Again, to paraphrase what he said the other day:  "I won the line, and that's all that matters."

          His ego wants - and his political ambitions think he needs - as large a slam-dunk win as he can possibly get to show he's a "viable" presidential candidate.  He does not care about anything else.  Your vote for him on the WFP line will send him no message, other than that you support and endorse him and his policies.

          The only message left that can be sent to him at this point is not to vote for him, either by voting for Astorino - and I expect nobody at DK would do that - or voting for Hawkins and eating into his margin of victory over Astorino by throwing your vote to an actual progressive challenger.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 07:07:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  it's not naive... (0+ / 0-)

            ...in fact, other people's unwillingness to look at the nuances of things and the facts and details of what led to where we are...that seems naive to me, to only see things as black and white when there are often many shades of gray is the very definition of naivite.

            •  It's incredibly naive. (2+ / 0-)
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              Solely because you think voting for him is sending him a message.

              It sends a message to him alright.  But not the message you think you'll be sending.  There's no nuance to it.

              At the end of the day, it's your vote, and it's your decision.  I just think you should think at the actual nuance on the other side - about Cuomos ego and political ambitions.  Because that is the reality of the situation.  Cuomo wants your vote, and doesn't care what line it's on as long as you check Andrew Cuomo.  He'll be happy if you vote for him on the Democratic line.  He'll be happy if you vote for him on the Working Families line.  He'll be happy if you vote for him on the Independence line.  Because at the end of election day, all those votes will be tallied up against the votes Astorino gets on the Republican and Conservative lines, and those aggregate figures are the ones that will be discussed the loudest in reporting on the election.  Those aggregate figures will represent his margin of victory over Astorino, and that margin of victory will be what tells people he's got "strong centrist appeal" and hence is a "viable" presidential candidate.

              That is all Andrew Cuomo cares about.  He does not care about which lines the votes are tallied on.  He could get 90% of his votes on the WF line - and he wouldn't move an inch leftward.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 08:24:04 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  it is you who seem naive to me (0+ / 0-)
                •  by the way... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...you have mischaracterized what was said by me (failing to acknowledge the nuance). Let me restate my view here:

                  It is not my contention that "voting for him is sending him a message" as you have chosen to, disingenously, mischaracterize my view. It's my contention that: Of all of the candidates who will be on the ballot in November, Cuomo is, by far, the best one to lead this state forward of those who will be on the ballo, though it would be my preference for him to be more progressive (all other candidates are either so unpallatable, issue-wise (the Republican Astorino, for instance) or woefully unprepared to be governor (the Green candidate). It is also my view that since Cuomo is better than any other candidate who will be on the ballot that it would be best to vote for him on the WFP line.

                  •  as far as "sending a message" (0+ / 0-)

                    ...since Cuomo seems like the best option (albeit from a lot of options that aren't particularly great...which is usually the case, in my experience, in most election contests), it seems the best option is to vote for him on the WFP line, for a large number of reasons, including, but not limited to the fact that it will at least send some kind of a message, .not ONLY to Cuomo but to all Democrats.

                    •  Bitch about mischaraterizing your words (0+ / 0-)

                      and then say this:

                      ...but not limited to the fact that it will at least send some kind of a message, .not ONLY to Cuomo but to all Democrats.
                      /facepalm

                      I think it's safe to say we're done here.

                      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                      by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 04, 2014 at 03:46:56 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                  •  "Mischaraterized your words?" (0+ / 0-)
                    ...and the best way for me to convey to him this voter's preference for a more progressive agenda is to vote for him on the line of the most progressive political party we have in this state.
                    No, you said it.  My paraphrasing of it doesn't change the crux of what you said.

                    Find a better excuse.

                    "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                    by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 04, 2014 at 03:45:21 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  3 replies? (0+ / 0-)

                  You seem to be getting a bit... unhinged.

                  "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                  by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 04, 2014 at 03:42:54 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  calling people names... (0+ / 0-)

                    (unhinged...naive) ...is usually an act of desperation by someone who has run out of rational arguments.

                    •  "Calling people names?" (0+ / 0-)

                      Newsflash" - those are descriptions.

                      A name would be doing something like saying you're a Cuomo apologist.

                      Feel better now?

                      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                      by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 04, 2014 at 07:06:32 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

  •  If you're saying WFP gave away their endorsement (12+ / 0-)

    on the basis of a promise — I'm just not going to accept that union leaders and professional pols are really that naive.  Hell, Governor Austere Hydrofracker already started trying to wriggle out of the agreement before the ink was even dry.  

    I used to vote the WFP line, but I became more skeptical in the last decade that they were nothing but a way for the Democratic Party to co-opt wayward progressives who ought to look elsewhere.  This pretty much seals it for me.

    I will never, ever vote on the WFP line again.  What a corrupt joke.

    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

    by Big River Bandido on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 10:54:07 AM PDT

  •  Good to see a RI diary on the FP during daylight (3+ / 0-)
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    They mostly seem to run on the FP after everyone has gone to bed.

    More RI diaries during waking hours, please.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 02:33:15 PM PDT

    •  I'd generally be in agreement (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mannie, orestes1963

      because usually, I like what they have to say in their diaries.

      That being said, this one smells like damage control over a party that is supposed to be liberal endorsing Andrew Cuomo, hence it being posted during the day.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:52:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The WFP decided to trust someone (8+ / 0-)

    who has shown not to be trustworthy.

    When Cuomo betrays them, where will their power be?

  •  not a NYer (1+ / 0-)
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      But this was more than 8 hours ago and no response - what are folks to think?

  •  Well, sort of. The gov is a slippery fellow who (11+ / 0-)

    is most certainly NOT to be trusted. I'm sure he's absolutely furious at this public flauting of his authority to run the state as he sees fit with no dissent from the peanut gallery, not to mention furious about being booed.

    His duplicity regarding the Senate followed by the Occupy Albany outrage and then his obvious disdain and disrespect for the Mayor we elected in a f$#king landslide were the final straws for me. I will work against him if he ever tries for higher office.

    I hope you are right, Richard, and that he will keep his word in spirit and in fact. But I doubt it.

    (Andrew Cuomo will never be President. Bank on that.)

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 02:52:05 PM PDT

  •  It also demonstrates its limits (3+ / 0-)
  •  Pre-emptive... (2+ / 0-)
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    "I told you so."  Just warning you in advance.

  •  Rejoice, as Lucy will finally let Charlie Brown... (10+ / 0-)

    Rejoice, as Lucy will finally let Charlie Brown kick the football.

  •  I quote Cuomo in response to this diary: (15+ / 0-)
    “It’s very simple at these political conventions: you either win or you lose. Uh, and I won, and I’m very happy to have their support,” he said.

    Cuomo added, “At the end of the day I won the endorsement, and that’s what really relevant.”

    Whats relevant to Cuomo isnt all that stuff you listed, but the fact that he won. Which means you lost. Which is one thing that doesnt need spin.
  •  Why should anyone trust the guy? (6+ / 0-)

    If he is but a Democrat by accident of birth and a Republican in his heart, who prefers their company and policies, what's to say he won't renege on all of these promises and affect a triangulating tough guy DFH puncher pose by so doing? Lots of spots for a leopard to change. It shouldn't even be a point of negotiation to get a Democratic governor to support electing more Democrats in the legislature. Is this what passes for a win today?

    You show a little grit and you lands in jail.

    by cal2010 on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:28:11 PM PDT

  •  Wow, this would be meaningful if... (3+ / 0-)
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    jrooth, Mannie, orestes1963

    the deal was struck with someone other than Eustace Charleston Haney.

    Mr. Haney: Mister Douglas!  Have I got a deal for you...

    The only reason the 1% are rich is because the 99% agree they are.

    by GreatLakeSailor on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:32:39 PM PDT

  •  Delete this diary. (2+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, Darth Stateworker

    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

    by AlexDrew on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:34:47 PM PDT

    •  No. (5+ / 0-)
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      Leave it up so we can all come back and write "I told you so" when Cuomo inevitably fails to do what he promised to do.

      We need plenty of reminders around for just how much of a snake this guy is for the next time people inevitably try to tell us he'll change - so we can point said people right back to them.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:57:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  And what is the enforcement mechanism? (11+ / 0-)

    If Cuomo gets reelected, what is the enforcement mechanism for the WFP's deal with him?  Cuomo has reneged before, which is a nice way of saying he lies like a cheap fucking rug.  What if he just goes through the motions again on the deal, and he fails to deliver on any of the points the WFP pushed?  I've found that corporatists believe they can lie to progressive voters with impunity.  We simply do not fill corporatist austerity loving politicians with dread.

  •  Imagine your surprise (4+ / 0-)

    when he betrays you.

    "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

    by jrooth on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:41:21 PM PDT

    •  Imagine their surprise (2+ / 0-)
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      when the members of the pro-Cuomo unions get pissed off at their leaders over this and vote them out, because the members of the pro-Cuomo unions don't necessarily agree with their leaders on this.

      That would be the best outcome at this point.  Clearly the pro-Cuomo unions have lost their way.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:59:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  We shall see what we will see ... (4+ / 0-)

    How good WPF's judgement was ...

    How good Andrew Cuomo's promises are ...

    "Of course, we'll have to hold his feet to the fire"

  •  If I had made a huge gamble with my crediblity (12+ / 0-)

    by betting on the honor and integrity of a man whose contempt for his critics is well-known, who had to be shanghai-ed into a political crisis right before an election before he would even flirt with the notion of not sabotaging his own party and stop blatantly supporting the bad faith actors who helped the NY State GOP swipe control of the state Senate for their own gain, the last thing I would be doing is engaging in humble bragging about how my gamble was less a gamble and more a show of power having been exercised.

    Did we not all just live through 1994-2014 together?

    Lucy? Football? Charlie Brown staring at the sky? Again?

    Did I miss an iron-clad guarantee hidden in the details?

    He has something, everybody else has nothing yet but his words.

    Having dealt with a few used car salesman in my time that is a bad place for overconfidence and fist pumps.

    The premature victory laps are pretty galling, considering how bad the WFP looks if this goes sideways when the leverage is gone. He gets hurt, yes, but the WFP will suffer a huge blow to its credibility if he goes the Cuomo being Cuomo route.

    I mean, I get having hope. I do.

    I wouldn't agree with it, but I could accept cautious optimism.

    I could see hope coloring ones take.

    This is just plain hubris. Bragging? About how this is a triumph to be and a show of force? With Andrew Cuomo being the key player in the tumbling gears of the deal you have to rely on coming through?

    The players who made this deal have nothing yet.

    Cuomo gets his landslide. He gets to run up the score.

    Cuomo faced a primary challenge push because he enabled the very status quo that he is swearing to goodness he will help end.

    I get taking a gamble. A risk.

    I don't get the arrogance. The pride. Walking around like the grand champion of an ass-kicking contest when everything that was promised was down the line, when what Cuomo got was immediate relief from a headache.

    He can always make a fool out of the architects of this deal as soon as the election is over. Sure, he will look like an ass. He IS an ass. That's why everything got to this point. He is the posterboy for the Democrat who is stuck on 1996, liberal on social policies, and regressive "with a human heart" on economic ones. When you have to politically blackmail your own Governor to get him to support things he should support as a Democratic politician anyway?

    This is one big exploding cigar in the face of the WFP if Cuomo wins by landslide and then gives you the finger. Or he spins some total weaksauce nonsense that doesnt' remotely live up to his end in the minds of his critics as 100% compliance with the deal.

    Yes, he looks like an ass if he plays games later, but he is famous for being such an ass, and the WFP will look like they got played for suckers and that will have credibility consequences down the line.

    At least the people who signed off on this should be a little less triumphant and a little more wary of the very real possibility that this turns into a clusterfuck for the ages. Andrew Cuomo is not somebody you can be sure will do any of what his critics would interpret as living up to his end of the deal, but will certainly be saying with strong conviction that he sure as hell did live up to it. No matter what he does later.

    I wouldn't be surprised if every single crap backstabbing Democratic Senator swears they will be good from now on, hope to gosh, that is enough for Mediocre Son of Good Mario. Since accepting promises that could be ignored down the line is good enough for wanting to celebrate.

    It's like blatant bad faith actors staring you right in the face can't override wanting to believe that everything will be awesome if you just believe it will be awesome.

    "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:47:03 PM PDT

    •  Look, if I am being unduly harsh here (6+ / 0-)

      I apologize.

      I just don't get, especially after 1994-2014, being so willing to just take proven weasels words for things. Democrats have a long track record of not dealing well with bad faith and bad faith actors.

      I'm shocked Andrew Cuomo didn't toss in the Public Option and a promise to have a ginger ale summit with Piketty and Elizabeth Warren too.

      The man was walking back his words on Saturday on Sunday for God's sake.

      Sunday Andrew Cuomo didn't seem to know what the heck Saturday Andrew Cuomo was talking about.

      "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

      by LeftHandedMan on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:53:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Don't apologize (10+ / 0-)

        You're barely being harsh enough.

        "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

        by jrooth on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:54:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm shocked that more people (9+ / 0-)

          aren't responding to this weird self-congratulatory pre-triumphantalism with more anger and frustration.

          He got his.

          Everybody else is waiting for Bloombergian Godot and hoping they don't get humiliated by a screwjob.

          Joe Lieberman probably sent him a fruit basket. 'Love how you roll, Andy... Joe'

          The WFP's credibility is on the line here, and it's on the line over Andrew Cuomo's word.

          That's like Michael Moore letting Lanny Davis pack his parachute.

           

          "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

          by LeftHandedMan on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 04:06:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  They do not know him...as someone who does, you... (5+ / 0-)

            They do not know him...as someone who does, you are so right on and not nearly harsh enough on those who prematurely self congratulate.

            Andy is a political implementer and hatchet man. He is not a strategist. He thinks short term on everthing. Or better, for instant gratification. For his enemies it is instant punishment. He says whatever gets him what he wants next and he never worries about long term...he fights battles not wars. He has targets not goals. He is gov. because Spitzer screwed up personally and Patterson was a niice man but a light weight. Anybody recall how AG Cuomo held up the state report that cleared Spitzer of official wrongdoing long enough to make it impoosible for Spitzer to survive? And stopped most of the major investigations that Sputzer had started?

            If they do not have him doing something today then he will do nothing...or as little as necessary. but claim all the credit for what little he does.

            And De Blasio vouched for him so guess whose cred and neck is really out there in this so called deal?

            He wants a big win. He will get a big win. What is next? Who knows. The Scarlett of the Hudson will "worry about it tomorrow."

      •  Seconded. Don't apologize. (1+ / 0-)
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        The man is a tool, it's well known that he's a tool, and this is going to blow up in their faces.

        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

        by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 06:03:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  He's gonna go full Lieberman (4+ / 0-)

    I wish what you are saying was true, and it shows they could force Cuomo's hand - a little. Next time around, he will be smarter and work proactively to destroy them.  Maybe though, like Lieberman, his duplicity will ultimately force him from office, but I doubt it, I think Joe just got too old to keep up the fight.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:48:12 PM PDT

  •  WFP should be in party-building mode. (4+ / 0-)

    This is not the way to build the party.  It only makes sense in the context of the alternative (Teachout) not being a serious candidate, but that's a regrettable context in itself.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 04:00:15 PM PDT

  •  For those who want a parliamentary system (1+ / 0-)
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    Or some other sort of multi-party sytem, this is the sort of deal-making that progressives would sometimes have to make to ensure a center-left ruling coalition instead of a center-right one.

  •  No Tip, NO Rec until you engage the people here! (4+ / 0-)

    Wow, I feel like the person writing the diary listens to progressives as well as Cuomo does!

    If anyone wants to HR for a DBAD rule, well first lets see at least ONE COMMENT engaging the questions people here have asked!

    Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

    by Mannie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 04:08:26 PM PDT

  •  Fool me once, shame on you (7+ / 0-)

    Fool me twice and I must be the WFP.

  •  In what universe? (7+ / 0-)

    The only thing that this showed to me - as a New York state liberal - is that the Turd Way won again over rank-and-file liberals.

    All Cuomo did is agree to support items that just about any Democrat should be supporting by default.  Additionally, Cuomo started backtracking on the deal less than 24 hours later, hedging his bets on his minwage concession by talking about his "formula", which will surely be as conservative as possible.  He also went on to say that all that matter about the WFP was that he won their nomination.

    And that's if he doesn't find a way to prevent the Dems from taking over the Senate by working against it behind the scenes.  If he does that, the entire "deal" goes poof, because he can simply blame Dean Skelos and the GOP in the Senate for being recalcitrant and blocking the agenda.

    No, real progressive power would have ran the challenger to generate negative press and drop his popularity a few pegs, because that is what would have truly forced him to change course.

    This deal is just political kabuki theater that will likely bring no actual change from Andrew Cuomo.

    "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

    by Darth Stateworker on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:00:50 PM PDT

  •  Shame on the WFP (4+ / 0-)

    These claimed concessions are so pathetic you should be ashamed of yourself, not crowing about your progressive bona fides.  Instead of imposing consequences on Cuomo for allowing the senate to stay in gop hands, you and your progressive cronies think it's better to merely have him promise not to do it again!  Brilliant politicking there.

    And the concessions.  I hope you break your arm off while twisting it to pat yourself on the back for these tepid social issue gains.  What is glaringly absent are any concessions on bread and butter issues, such as more equitable taxation, reining in charter schools, climate policies, etc.  Even the meager $10.10 minimum wage is weak tea.  You couldn't venture to think bigger?  Or would that have only pissed off Prince Andrew?

    I have voted on the WFP line for years and have encouraged everyone I know to do the same in the hope that we could have a vibrant people-centered and -powered party in NYS.  No more.  This profile in cowardice has told me too much about the WFP.  Frankly, you and the party would have been better off if you had just kept your mouth shut.  

  •  Is this an Onion article? Has Cuomo already del... (7+ / 0-)

    Is this an Onion article? Has Cuomo already delivered the goods on this stuff? We vote for incumbents based on past performance, not future promises. The WFP has jumped the shark and joined the Green Party.

  •  IMO, Cuomo's lying (4+ / 0-)

    Soon as he's re-elected, expect a total-about face on these issues.

    "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

    by nosleep4u on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:17:32 PM PDT

  •  What's particularly galling about this spin (4+ / 0-)

    exercize is that the people of NY already elected a Democratic Senate! After a tremendous effort by rank and file Dems to WIN the election--specifically win control of the Senate--Cuomo immediately enabled the rump group of "independent Democrats" to hand control to back to the Republicans.  

    WFP’s national director Dan Cantor on UP with Steve Kornacki

    Cantor admitted to Kornacki (on msnbc's UP--link above) that Cuomo had not yet committed anything concrete—either in cash, endorsements or campaign time—to what Mayor Bill de Blasio referred to as the “transformational coalition” of labor unions, environmental and community groups uniting behind the goal of a Democrat-controlled Senate.
    and
    Cantor said he plans to vote for Cuomo on the WFP line in November even if by that time it becomes clear that Cuomo hasn’t held up his end of the bargain to the satisfaction of party leaders.

    He really won’t have any choice, seeing as how the WFP needs to hit the 50,000 mark on its ballot line in the gubernatorial election in order to maintain its official party status for another four years.

    Because having the ballot line is all that matters.

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 05:27:27 PM PDT

  •  I don't buy it (4+ / 0-)

    This is what happens when you're too scared to risk everything; you get nothing.

    I don't believe Andrew Cuomo for a second, and I think that WFP folded for nothing. I know why they folded; they thought that Cuomo would win anyway and eliminate them as an organization.

    What they fail to understand is that the only possible long-term success, in this situation, comes from no concessions at all.

    Cuomo kneecapping WFP would have permanently ruined him in national politics, and helped ensure the end of his political career. He might have lost re-election entirely, even with all his money. If not, he'd have been a lame duck before he even got started.

    Progressives are a dominant majority in new york if they would only have the guts to work unrelentingly to overthrow any statewide official who tries to fuck with them they way Cuomo has fucked with us.

    If you are uncompromising, whatever institutional damage they do to you, they can't keep you out of the ballot box, and you win in the end.

    If you compromise, you kill your movement and re-elect your enemies. It would have been better for Cuomo to win by destroying WFP than to surrender like this.

    But the organization wants to live more than it wants to further its cause.

  •  And you honestly think Cuomo is going to (4+ / 0-)

    keep his word???? I have this bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan that you might be interested in buying.

  •  One more thing... (2+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, Darth Stateworker

    How come there is nothing in there about trying to get more Section 8 housing vouchers open in NYC? In NYC Section 8 vouchers have been closed for decades. It is a major factor in the huge increase in homelessness. I guess none of you, including de Blasio, are Liberal enough to dare say anything about helping the homeless, too afraid it will cost you the votes of the heartless.

  •  From all I've read, Cuomo is a crook. (3+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q, Mannie, Darth Stateworker

    You know much more about NY politics than I could ever hope to learn, but what leverage does the WFP (or Democrats) have to hold Cuomo to his word?

  •  So, tell me: When Cuomo (3+ / 0-)

    inevitably "forgets" his promises, as he's already in the early stages of doing, and goes right on backstabbing progressives, will you publish an, "I admit it - I was wrong!" diary?

    The capacity of the progressive wing of the party to call defeat "victory" is stunning.

    "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

    by Australian2 on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 06:44:55 PM PDT

  •  Here's hoping (0+ / 0-)

    you can hold Cuomo's feet to the fire enough to get some real benefit out of the deal.  I'm sure that's far from a given, but I hope you can pull it off!

  •  Why the fuck wouldn't you just run a non idiot (0+ / 0-)

    candidate, and relegate rethugs to minor party status, flood the chamber with D's, make the ones who vote against D measure look like even bigger fucks, and override Cuomo vetos?

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