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Demonstrators chant for better wages and working conditions outside Wal-Mart during Black Friday in San Leandro, California November 29, 2013. REUTERS/Stephen Lam
Walmart is an enormous, powerful, profitable company. But that doesn't mean that, as its annual shareholder meeting is taking place, it isn't facing some troubling news. For one thing, Walmart faces slowing revenue growth:
Walmart's slowing revenue growth, 2010-2014.
A new poll by Lake Research Partners finds some reasons for that. Walmart's reputation is suffering among consumers, with 28 percent saying they have an unfavorable view of Walmart, compared to just 13 percent unfavorable for Target and just six percent unfavorable for Costco. Walmart's low wages and bad treatment of its workers are registering on shoppers; just 27 percent say that "treats its employees well" is a good description of Walmart, while 42 percent say it is not. The numbers are even more skewed when people are asked if "well paid employees" applies to Walmart. And those views of the company are affecting how much people shop at its stores:
  • Among Walmart’s most loyal customers, those who shop there weekly, 9% say they have been shopping there less. Among the weekly shoppers, 25% cite poor treatment of workers as a reason why they have been shopping there less.
  • Among those who shop at Walmart at least monthly, 21% say they have been shopping there less. Among monthly shoppers, 13% cite poor treatment of workers as a reason why they have been shopping there less, and 13% also cite paying workers too little.
With workers organizing and striking and taking to the media to tell their stories, that awareness of the reality of Walmart jobs is only likely to grow.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:55 AM PDT.

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  •  and why haven't the open carry folks hit them (10+ / 0-)
    Among Walmart’s most loyal customers, those who shop there weekly, 9% say they have been shopping there less. Among the weekly shoppers, 25% cite poor treatment of workers as a reason why they have been shopping there less.
    Among those who shop at Walmart at least monthly, 21% say they have been shopping there less. Among monthly shoppers, 13% cite poor treatment of workers as a reason why they have been shopping there less, and 13% also cite paying workers too little.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:57:25 AM PDT

  •  I was checking out at Goodwill the other day (28+ / 0-)

    and the cashier said she'd previously worked for Walmart. She hated it. She said they treated her awful and wouldn't give her more than 30 hours. So far, she likes the Goodwill. Better working conditions and she gets 40 hours. Nice lady.

    Doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will

    by miracle11 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:15:24 AM PDT

    •  Good on her! (7+ / 0-)

      "Just when you think you've lost everything, you find out you can lose a little more." Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:07:56 PM PDT

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    •  I'd rather shop at Goodwill than (3+ / 0-)

      Walmart.

      •  Better products at Goodwill! (9+ / 0-)

        The donated products at Goodwill are usually quality products...just used slightly..and some still have price tags on them.

        •  goodwill (7+ / 0-)

          Shopping at goodwill is fine-- just don't do it with the notion that goodwill industries is a charity -- it is not.  Those are highly profitable franchised businesses.  

          No thanks. I donate to Salvation Army.

          •  I wouldn't shop at Salvation Army (4+ / 0-)

            I don't support religious charities.   I would never donate to a religious organization that already gets tax free exemptions.   We should support businesses which treat their people well and provide a product at a fair price.  That is a service to the community and if it makes a profit, so much the better.

          •  Goodwill most certainly is a charitable (6+ / 0-)

            organization and a damned good one too.  Goodwill affiliates have consistently high ratings on Charity Navigator. For every dollar they take in, 82 cents is spent on programs and services for people in need.  There has been a great deal of controversy regarding the salaries of Goodwill executives.  Non-profits need to offer competitive wages to their executives in order to get the most qualified and talented individuals for the job.  Even the most dedicated volunteer is not likely to offer to run a large corporation such as Goodwill Industries, even if they are capable of doing so.  One has to make a living after all.  The real problem is that the execs at for-profit corporations are so overpaid.  They are the ones setting the level for executive compensation with which non-profits must compete.

            I do not have any relationship whatsoever with Goodwill, except that I have donated goods on occasion, but I have worked for a non-profit.  The work that I did there was no less valuable than a similar employee's job in the for-profit sector.  Just because I was dedicated to the cause and really, really loved what I was doing to help others did not mean that I was worth less.   I was paid a salary commensurate with others in my position and level of experience.  

            Non-profit does not mean volunteer organization.  Please check your facts before bad-mouthing an organization that has helped so many.

            •  Goodwill not charitable (3+ / 0-)
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              Goodwill pays workers as little as 22 cents per hour.
              http://www.nbcnews.com/...

            •  Yes, and as a charity providing jobs to mentall... (3+ / 0-)
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              Yes, and as a charity providing jobs to mentally disabled, it is allowed to pay employees LESS than $3 per hour. I won't support any charity that exploits the disabled. This place essentially benefits from slave labor.

            •  Ispaziani - You seem to think that Goodwill (1+ / 0-)
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              Industries is a single entity.  It's actually not.  It's more like a "franchise" system.  And there are 165 of these separate affiliates.

              And, when you say "For every dollar they take in, 82 cents is spent on programs and services for people in need", you're passing on misleading information (although you certainly may not know it).  

              Chavity Navigator rates only 15 of the 165 separate Goodwills.  The rest are unrated.

              And individual rankings and % spent on programs and administration varies wildly.

            •  Salaries over $150,000 are immoral for charity (0+ / 0-)

              If you want to work for a charity, fine. Nobody there needs to make over $150,000 a year. That is 3 times the income of the average American family. Goodwill, Salvation Army and other charities like Komen are crooked, lying, greedy bastards skimming money away from the poor. Our local St. Vincent DePaul manager makes do on well under $100,000 a year, and puts the charitable money towards the people it was donated for. I will never give these greedy, selfish, self-serving plutocrat, self-important, clueless bastards a nickle.

          •  I don't give a penny to SA anymore either. (5+ / 0-)

            The red buckets don't get anything from me.

            They give money to Focus on the Family and their ilk, and when they considered giving employee benefits to same-sex couples, they let the anti-gay groups guilt them out of it. And they were caught offering referrals to conversion therapy on their site. There's actually a long history of them not being very inclusive to the LGBT community.

            Some segments have refused to give Harry Potter or Twilight toys out as part of Toys for Tots, because the promote witchcraft and supernaturalism, but were just fine giving kids toys guns and other violent toys.

            Then there's the ongoing investigation in Australia, into the 40 year child molestation scandal, that is fit for the Catholic Church, much less an organization that is allowed to harass and bother every shopper in the US, multiple times a day, for several weeks a year.

            I spend a large portion of the Christmas season, working hard not to take out my frustrations with the SA, on the poor people they hire to man their buckets. And it doesn't help, that those stupid bells aren't just annoying, they are high enough pitched that I find the sound mildly painful.

            •  They pay minimum wage to the bell ringers. (5+ / 0-)

              My step dad did it a few years, when he was able, to make a little money for christmas.  He used to entertain people with his harmonica, instead of ringing the bell.  He actually brought in more money that way.  He used to be such a fun, wonderful man, but has alzheimers, is slipping away.  He is in a nursing home now.  It got too hard for my mom, who is not healthy either to care for him.  She still goes almost every day and helps care for him, it is hard for her to accept his mind is going.  He was such a bright man, and kind, to all the family.  

              I used to be a supporter of Salvation Army, until I asked them for help for my son, who is an addict.  They said they couldn't without a court order.  Maybe not their fault, but there really is a need for more drug addiction treatment available for the indigent.  

              •  I'm not remotely surprised. (3+ / 0-)

                http://www.snopes.com/...

                I have seen more than a few bell ringers, who are clearly from shelters, based on the condition of their clothing (not dirty, just clearly hand-mended or very frayed). I imagine in recent years, as the number of bell ringers has increased, even more of them are people making minimum wage - while standing outside, in 20 below wind chills - instead of volunteers. At least that's what they have to deal with here. Except of course, the people who got the cushy spot, at the massive red bucket in our mall this last Christmas - it was about the size of an F150.

                And for those who want to go to SA's rehab - you better be willing to endure daily bible AND scripture study. Plus, there are other concerns...

                Those enrolled in the program work 40-hour weeks at the Salvation Army’s warehouse, unloading the mountains of clothing and other donations, sorting them and doing other work there, Schoch said.

                It costs the Salvation Army $12,000 a year to house a recovering addict, Schoch said. The agency collected $6.4 million from sales at its regional thrift shops in 2006, he said. The people in the program receive a weekly gratuity of $5 to $18 while in the program, he said.

                http://www.syracuse.com/...

                So that's about $13,000 a year they pay, to house these addicts, and give them some compensation for their work. Which comes out to what, $6.25 an hour? So again, not even minimum wage, which was $7.25 an hour in NJ in 2010 (when the article is from).

                I feel zero remorse, that I don't contribute money to them. I will give food or toys, to direct help programs they run, but that's the limit.

              •  The one in my area does less and less (0+ / 0-)

                every year.  

                I have served on city and charitable committees with several of the captains...and they seem to have no respect for the people they're supposed to be serving.  

                I've also worked extensively with people in need, and the stories they tell are disgusting as regards the disrespect and poor treatment they've received at the SA.

                Apparently our Sally Ann has never heard of the concept "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater".  Or don't realize that a few "bad apples don't spoil the whole barrel".

                So, nope, they get no $$ from me, either.

          •  Goodwill (0+ / 0-)

            is also a religious organization.  Goodwill in the Western States was founded by Abraham Vereide - the same guy who founded the bunch which founded the C Street "Family."

            A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

            by PSzymeczek on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 11:38:37 AM PDT

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      •  I'd rather "shop" in dumpsters ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... than in WalMart.   The quality of the merchandise is quite similar, and you really cannot beat dumpster prices.  :)

        OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

        by mstaggerlee on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 12:53:43 PM PDT

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    •  I've worked at Goodwill (2+ / 0-)
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      and so has my daughter (different stores). Neither one of us will EVER work there again!
      Their working conditions are crap and they only pay minimum--in fact, when Washington State (where we live) raised the minimum wage while I was working for Goodwill, we actually got letters congratulating us on our pay raise!
      It is most certainly NOT a charity! The LOWEST paid CEO gets 500,000 a year while they do their best to pay their employees as little as possible!
      They truly epitomize Chris Rock's statement that "You know what that means when someone pays you minimum wage? You know what your boss was trying to say? "Hey if I could pay you less, I would, but it's against the law.”
      Where there are laws allowing for sub-minimum wages for disabled persons, Goodwill pays as little as they can!
      Goodwill, in my opinion, is just Walmart in disguise!

  •  The revenue growth in the last quarter in 2013... (15+ / 0-)

    ...was only 1.5% over the same quarter in 2013.

    And it includes global revenue including China and Brazil.  

    Even then, 1.6% does't keep up with inflation.

    Walmart is also "suffering" from cuts in food stamps according to the link above.  Their minimum wage employees need them and their customers too.

    Walgone I hope soon.

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    by Shockwave on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:16:08 AM PDT

    •  One might wonder when the Walton Heirs... (7+ / 0-)

      ...decide that their wealth is better placed somewhere other than Walmart. The diminishing returns at some point have to outweigh the prestige in lording over a crumbling if still vast empire. Maybe after a couple of years of undeniable nominal decline?

      Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:28:33 AM PDT

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      •  Strangely, their share of Walmart is increasing (1+ / 0-)
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        The family is doubling down on Walmart ownership instead of buying major sports franchises and ranches the size of New Jersey.

        •  Tying themselves to the mast of a sinking ship n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Based on Sears, sinking could take long time (1+ / 0-)
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            llywrch

            Decline is likely to take 30 years or more.  Stacking $100 bills in a giant bank vault would probably be a better investment over that 30 years, though.

            •  I'm surprised you didn't say Montgomery Wards (2+ / 0-)
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              Bronx59, SilentBrook

              Which miscalculated consumer demand after WWII, cut back to prepare for another Depression only to lose out in the post-war boom. By 1968 -- 18 to 23 years later -- they had to merge with Container Corp to survive.

              In other words, they did a worse job than Sears in managing retail business. I suspect that kind of cluelessness is far more common amongst large corporations than we think.

              But I think we'd all agree that WalMart right now is surviving on it's Sam Walton-era reputation. And the Walton clan has no fricking clue how to turn things around -- although they have lots of ideas how to spend money.

              •  Why do people still think Sam was wonderful? (13+ / 0-)

                In the 1960's when the Federal minimum wage was raised to $1.15, he reorganized the company into sub-companies to try to avoid paying it.  When a Federal judge eventually told him he had to pay it retroactively, he cut the checks but threatened to fire any worker who cashed one.  Eventually he had to relent, but he was always that kind of person.  His heirs come by it honestly.

                •  I tried to pick my words carefully (4+ / 0-)
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                  I didn't mean to imply Sam Walton was wonderful. He was just a successful businessman. And from what I've read of the man, despite his many faults, he knew when he had to up the pay & improve working conditions. Call if knowing just how much to shear the sheep.

                  On the other hand, his kids & grandkids have no sense of how to run a business, & it shows if you look. They're not sheering the sheep, they're scalping it & beginning to wonder why the animals are dying. But if you don't, you can delude yourself into thinking it's run the same way Sam did, once upon a time. That was my point.

                •  I still remember his bogus "Buy American" campaign (1+ / 0-)
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                  which he completely cheated on himself by setting up an import company with a buddy of his.  

                  They imported the made-for-Walmart goods from China into the US and then simply resold them to Walmart, so that Sam could pretend that what Walmart had bought was "American" rather than simply repurchased in America from China...and from his own darned company!

              •  Wal Mart (6+ / 0-)

                GD CEOs w/ their MBAs have been what has caused the decline (And not only Sears or Wards. I worked in some of the fanciest stores in sales/management - Saks, Neimans etc and the same know it all mentality existed there as well). I lived in San Francisco for years. There used to be 2 Sears stores there. One was located in the center of the city....PRIME location. But over time I noticed that the light fixtures' bulbs no longer were the same in some departments - pinks/creams/stark white - which was especially bad in departments selling fabric items (Fabrics/Linens/Furniture/Dresses etc).
                THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I arrived one day and there were THREE (3) tractors in the store!!!!!!!! I asked some of the staff what was going on? There was NO need for tractors in San Francisco. The clerk told me "Some jerk in HQ in Chicago just looked at a spread sheet and said send tractors to San Francisco, because he "knows" that EVERY Sears needs tractors on the floor". Nuff said!

    •  "Walgone" Yes very much indeed! (5+ / 0-)
    •  Their Bad Reputation hurting them where it hurts (3+ / 0-)

      The bottom line!

      "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." ~ Thomas Jefferson

      by Lefty Coaster on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:55:07 PM PDT

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  •  Their prices aren't that great, either (16+ / 0-)

    if you pay attention. I have been avoiding Walmart for years because of their labor practices and how they treat their suppliers. They are good at driving others out of business. When I have gone there I've seen a lot of junk, and what isn't junk is not particularly cheaper than other places.

    Barbara Lee and Howard Dean Speak for me! -9.25 -9.18

    by laurak on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:30:46 PM PDT

    •  Lots of junk... (0+ / 0-)

      Until I finally quit even setting foot in Walmart a few years back, I had a strict policy of not buying appliances of any kind from them (and especially not if they had moving parts at all).  It's no secret that they take on the bottom-of-the-barrel stuff to sell - the electronics department is practically Scratch & Dent Central.  I bought my first MP3 player, a Zune, at Walmart, and the damned thing's firmware shit the bed within the first 3 months - fortunately, Microsoft replaced it for me at no cost, but that was a learning lesson.

      And no, you're right, their prices aren't that much cheaper than anywhere else.  Indeed, if you shop at Sam's Club (which is, of course, part of the Walmart empire) and buy in bulk, you aren't really saving any money.  After the Zune experience, I've kept my electronics purchases to Best Buy and/or Staples (if you must buy from a big chain, at least go where there's more focus on the products you're after).

  •  Walmart corporate strategy (8+ / 0-)

    Their strategy, which might be flawed, is to protect their market share by ensuring that their employees have no choice to but to shop strictly at Walmart.  Perhaps the next step should be to start paying their employees in Scrip which is only legal tender at the company store. Hey! How about if they give them their wages in Walmart gift cards!

    •  Employees get a 10% discount on purchases (11+ / 0-)

      at Walmart.  Walmart depends upon their employees' purchases as a significant slice of their market.

      An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

      by Thomas Twinnings on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:10:02 PM PDT

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      •  THIS!!!! (3+ / 0-)
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        and most of the other people there are also the working poor. Work at home depot shop at Wally's. And I'm guessing close to 100% of the people who are shopping with a government assistance card shop at WM for at least a part of every months  supplies. (outside food, that might be 70%... lol). Whether you vote or not your going to buy food and toilet paper (I Hope).

        •  I'm disabled and poor and have friends in simil... (0+ / 0-)

          I'm disabled and poor and have friends in similar situations and none of us shop at Wal-Mart due to its horrible practices. Costco provides essentials in bulk, usually at a cheaper price, and they treat their employees well. Of course, we're mostly activist types so we're probably not the norm.

          •  True, but... (1+ / 0-)
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            Costco provides essentials in bulk, usually at a cheaper price, and they treat their employees well.
            For the poor in many areas, they won't have room to store the amount of stuff you have to buy at Costco to make it worth it, and may not have the money to buy that much in bulk in any case.

            Hell, I'm anything but poor, but I have a very limited number of things I can buy at Costco. (Apartment, small freezer, very little closet space.)

            •  Team up! (4+ / 0-)

              I know people in this boat (small homes, not enough cash to afford big quantities) who pool their resources for a group Costco run.

              No, you can't store a whole bale of TP or five pounds of cheese or three large tubes of toothpaste in your tiny place. But if you and a couple friends all go in together and split the TP bale, re-bag the cheese, and each take a tube of toothpaste, you'll get the savings on a scale you can manage -- minus the space problem.

              It's like running your own little co-op.

              •  I would have to drive to NJ (0+ / 0-)

                I would have to drive to New Jersey from Upstate New York (closer to Canada) to access a COSTCO.  OR an IKEA.  

                And WHERE do the things Costco sells COME from?  I admit I don't know a whole lot about them as they are not on my radar and when I was IN NJ I tried to go but was shut out as I did not have a membership;  not worth it to buy one and no "Day Pass" allowed.

                Does Costco ONLY stock "Made in America" items?  And on that note--does Trader Joe's do this?  I often see that co held up as a paragon but they also own Aldis and lots of stuff from THERE is NOT "Made in USA".

                Around here we had very little chance TO shop BEFORE Walmart got here--relatively late in their expansion.  Do I love WM?  Nope.  Do I love Target?  Nope.  Do I have very many OTHER places to shop around here?  Nope.  For some food items we shop at a local chain (Price Chopper) or in a pinch at the overly pricey Maine based Hannaford.  Certainly cannot afford the locally raised lamb and cheese that ends up at the Farmers Market in NYC at $30 a pound.

                There are two malls each an hour drive from here--neither one has much selection and no I am not wearing Old Navy.   Empty storefronts are the norm.  Downtown in one area is thriving (Saratoga)  but not so much "Home Town USA"  aka Glens Falls NY.  Can you buy a pair of plain old jeans in either Main Street?  Hell no.  Spool of thread? Pair of regular shoes not Manolos?  A toaster?

                Where you gonna shop?

                Work to BETTER these peoples wages and conditions don't shop them OUT of a job.

                •  When I lived in NYS (0+ / 0-)

                  which was from 2002-2009, Hannaford was actually cheaper, I found, than Price Chopper.  To get the low prices at Price Chopper, you had to have a savings card.  Hannaford never makes their customers do that.  Now I live in MA, and Hannaford is pricey here, but I've always felt they had a better selection going than Price Chopper ever did, and you could probably argue their selection is a bit better than Market Basket's is (MB is our homegrown supermarket chain, based out of Tewksbury, MA).  I've found that I prefer Shaw's, which is a regional supermarket chain - they're more expensive than Market Basket, but not by much, and they're rarely anything like as crowded (MB has a bad reputation for clueless customers).

                  The closest malls and Walmarts to me are either down in Peabody/Danvers (a 15-mile drive) or just up over the state line in Seabrook, NH (which is a redneck town with some scary-looking people living within).  Since I work in Peabody, I don't necessarily mind going there, but I have found that I prefer going to NH when I can, as that state has no sales tax.  I'm sorely tempted by that prospect, as well as the prospect of no state income tax, to move to NH - probably Portsmouth - but that's not enough of a justification to leave MA.

    •  Not so far from reality than you think... (7+ / 0-)

      Many Walmart workers are paid with debit cards. They can get cash at the register as long as they buy something.

      •  same with Dollar General and who knows how many (6+ / 0-)

        other minimum wage, less than 30 hour, no benefits 'job creating' companies -- if you do not have an existing checking account into which they can direct deposit, you get a debit card.  And you don't get paycheck stubs to see how many hours you have been credited for working during that pay period.

        My friends, I do not speak, nor do I comprehend, assholian

        by eviemarie on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:15:49 PM PDT

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        •  That lack of pay/hours info troubles me. Been a... (2+ / 0-)
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          That lack of pay/hours info troubles me. Been a while since I've been in hr/employment law, but I would think employees are entitled to some form of record, or it's even easier for employers to hide wage theft-which of course is their intent.

          •  labor law... (3+ / 0-)
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            I would have thought such practices were illegal. If not, they certainly should be...I've a salaried job and it has been years since I worked hourly, but that information should absolutely be on a stub and the stub provided at no cost to the employee.

            •  They do have paystubs available for free, you j... (2+ / 0-)
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              They do have paystubs available for free, you just have to print them out since paper checks were eliminated. (Full disclosure, I am a Walmart employee.) Actually I prefer it this way, because the check stubs are archived forever and you don't have to worry about keeping up with them. As a test, I just went back and checked a paystub from a year ago and it was still there. Way better than having to dig through your filing cabinet, IMO.

              I have iffy feelings about the Walmart debit card system and the whole "they're still able to profit off of money in accounts even after paying employees" thing, but I have no bad feelings about the way paystubs are handled. I work in the room where the paystub printer is and I regularly see people coming in to print and check their paystubs. Plus you can check them at home without printing them out.

              Walmart does a lot of things that piss me off, but for me, this isn't one of them. Of course, take with a grain of salt since I do work for them.

              •  Your comment seems quite reasonable to me, (0+ / 0-)

                Ohaeri. My employer just this week moved away from printed stubs. I'm fine with it. Not Walmart, I work for a municipality.

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                by BeninSC on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:42:05 PM PDT

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                •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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                  for the tips, BeninSC. By the way, I just looked up my first paystub from Walmart; I've been working for them for 4 years now.

                  $83. Ouch.

                  These days (a few promotions later) I make closer to $11 an hour, but it's still not nearly enough.

              •  20% of Americans do not own computers or smart (4+ / 0-)
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                phones or can afford the Internet.

                Plus you can check them at home without printing them out.
                How can Walmart employees "check them at home" without the Internet or computer at home??
                •  If you can print them out for free at work... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...and the printers actually work, and you aren't docked pay for using them, and so forth, then it's no different than the current system of handing them out to everyone, except more environmentally friendly since the majority of people will not need the majority of pay stubs.

                  Mind you, that is a lot of 'ifs'.

                  •  All of these things are true in my experience (0+ / 0-)

                    Again, my experience is not 100% representative of the entire company, but I have only had to call the printer in for repair once.

                    You can also check them on the work computers without being docked pay (in fact, you can't check them while at work unless you are on the clock). You don't have to print them, but again, the printer has always worked for the couple of years I've worked on-site.

                    I am not a manager, but I do work for Walmart, so usual grain of salt caveats apply.

                •  By checking them at work? (0+ / 0-)

                  As previously mentioned, you can check your paystub at work.

                  This line was not meant to say "you can ONLY check at home." You can print it out at work in two different formats, from any computer in the facility or from a special terminal that is just for paystubs. OR you can go home (or to the library, or a friend's house) and look it up online, if you so desire. Whatever your decision is.

                  It's a convenience thing to be able to check from home, in other words. At least, I find it more convenient than having to go to work every time I want to check my paystub for any reason.

                  The only way that you would be totally deprived of the ability to check your paystub at work was if every single computer in the entire facility was down AND the special paystub terminal went down--and even then you could ask a fellow employee to let you look it up on their smartphone.

                  Walmart does a lot of infuriating things, but honestly, truly, this is not one of them.

            •  A stub or a virtual archive. (0+ / 0-)

              I agree the information should be available to employees, clearly documented. If it is moved away from a paper medium it should still be available.

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              by BeninSC on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:36:19 PM PDT

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            •  I work at a telemarketing place who does customer (3+ / 0-)
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              service for many of the big corporations.  It's nice my check is direct deposited to my checking account, but they won't send you a paper copy of your check stub.  You can't even print a copy from their web site, where you are working.  They give you access to a special web site, which you can access, from your PC, but then you can only print a copy of the stub, you can't save it to your PC, so you can view it, print it or e-mail it, when you need it to apply for loans or government help.  They are supposedly making some changes, to make it easier, but not sure just what the changes are yet.  I just ordered a new 4 in 1 printer and will be able to print, copy, scan & fax, so hopefully it will help in this area.  I am able to work from my apartment, which is nice, since I am on disability and don't want to have to go to a brick and mortar business, to work.  It works great for me, but it works even greater, for them, because it is even easier to screw you out of wages and to take advantage of you.  You have to work at least 3 1/2 hours, to get a 10 minute break.  I am only working 3 hours a day, 4 days a week, so technically I don't qualify.  Of course I also work extra hours, so sometimes have worked at least 6 or more hours and have not taken a break.  It doesn't bother me too much, because I am home and single, so don't have any other responsibilities, except my dog and I take him, for a long walk, before work, so he sleeps on my bed, while I am working at my desk, in my bedroom.  He almost never barks, while I am working, maybe he's just glad I am by him, most of the day.  The company wants you to do all of this extra stuff, like checking this program, every day, to see how you are doing at your job.  You are then supposed to e-mail your team leader and let them know how you are doing, according to the program.  They want you to check your e-mail and do different things and you are supposed to do this, between calls.  Of course there is no between calls, because when you get done with one call and transfer it, the next call is there.  If the call volume decreases and there is more than a minute or 2 between calls, then they ask for volunteers to log off and punch out, so they don't have to pay you.  If there aren't enough volunteers to log off, then they make you log off, by shutting off your phone extension and stopping the calls coming to your phone.  Even if you are scheduled for a certain number of hours, it don't mean you will get them.  You can pick up extra hours, if they need you and send you a message, when you are not working, to log in and help.  They don't have to pay you overtime, because they won't let you work more than 8 hours a day and have a limit on the number of hours you can work each week.  It takes me at least 15 minutes, just to log in, if there are no problems, and be able to take calls, but it seems they expect you to do that on your own time, so they don't have to pay you.  I had stayed on the clock, after my shift, for about a half hour, so I could do some of the stuff they require you to do, but then was told I can't do that.  I can only be clocked in, if I am actually taking calls.  It's nice working from home, but it gives a company more room, to screw you over.  At least I get SSDI and don't really "need" the job, so could quit anytime.  It's just I like having a few dollars coming in every 2 weeks.  I just have to watch, so I don't lose my SSDI and have to depend on this job.  I don't get any health benefits, because I am considered part time, but since I have been hired as permanent part time, I am at least able to get Dental & Vision coverage.  It only pays $8 an hour, but then you don't have all the expense of a vehicle and driving to work, in all kinds of weather and being concerned if your vehicle will start or if you are going to end up in a ditch somewhere.  Walmart isn't the only one who screws over their employees.

              •  When I went on disability, I got info about doing (2+ / 0-)

                this.  I was going through several surgeries at the time, felt I probably wasn't going to be feeling well enough to do it.  From what you say, I probably couldn't have.  I could probably do it now, although I am also caregiver for my even sicker husband, and would have to take much more frequent breaks to assist him.  Thanks for informing me on how this works, I was thinking of maybe trying it, now, not so sure.  

              •  Printing paystubs ... (1+ / 0-)
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                Might it work if you do a 'print screen' (usually one of the keyboard function keys towrd the top right) then 'paste' to a word processing page (e.g. MS Word or whatever you use) or to an e-mail to send to yourself and save?  Just a thought.

                Good luck

              •  John972 - Here's some good news for you... (0+ / 0-)

                You wrote that "you can only print a copy of the stub, you can't save it to your PC, so you can view it, print it or e-mail it, when you need it to apply for loans or government help."

                Actually, that's not true.

                You CAN save that stub copy simply by using your Print Screen button (it might just say something like PrtSc on it)!!

                In Windows 8 versions...which I have...you hold down the Windows button (the one with the 4 white panels on it) and hit the PrtSc button, which is located toards the end off the top line of buttons on your keyboard.  (You'll probably see the screen darken a wee bit for a moment when you do this.)

                Then go to your Pictures folder and, voila!  There will be a folder called Screenshots with a picture of your pay stub in it!  Oh, and you can open that image in whatever image program you have (like Paint, which automatically comes with Windows).

                If you have a different version of Windows, just google a phrase like "how does print screen work in windows [whatever #/version]" and you'll find instructions for whatever version you have.

                So, yup!  You CAN view it, print it or e-mail it.  Enjoy :-)

          •  I am going on my own experience (0+ / 0-)

            specifically w/DG -  I was never given any answer to my request for hours worked, wages earned -  requested during WC litigation, from their atty, same result - nothing. Perhaps because they asserted I was not a full time/permanent employee?  

            My friends, I do not speak, nor do I comprehend, assholian

            by eviemarie on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 09:34:04 AM PDT

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        •  Not entirely true (1+ / 0-)
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          My son in law worked as a Dept manager at WM and you CAN get a record of your hours etc.  And you can opt for a paycheck.  But YES  they do favor giving you a WM debit card thru which they can--and do--track WHERE you spend the pittance they pay you.  

          They also force you to work many hours "off the clock" and refuse to give you adequate help to actually DO the job yet are highly critical when you don't or can't get something done in the extremely limited amount of time you have to do it.  Your Dept must always be up to snuff--I won't argue with this in theory---but when these sections are constantly being pawed over by actual customers things are not always going to be in perfect order.

           The Mgt can be extremely hard assed and devious in how they get you to work more time--changing your days off when you are ALREADY in the course OF that day is one.  Calling you in at all hours and days even on your day off and then getting MAD at you for being on vacation--forcing you to give up ALL holidays--my SIL NEVER had one holiday with his young family.  No Thanksgiving;  No Christmas; No New Years; No Easter.  Every one of these was an excuse to set up or take down some "display" or other or Black Friday nonsense. Refusing to grant your EARNED vacation is another tactic.  Telling you to CANCEL your already approved plans is another.  

          One neat "trick" is to schedual you for a few hours in the morning--say from 5 to 9---and then force you to LEAVE and then have you come BACK after several hours "break" for several MORE hours.   And ALL of this was subject to change--I can't tell you how MANY times he was called on his day off to tell him he had been CHANGED on the schedual WHILE he was on his--Day Off.  So he had NO way to KNOW that some one had gone in and changed this--but he got in trouble for it anyways.  

          Not a good company but feel for the people who DO work there.  Many esp in these rural areas HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.

      •  Horrible. Just horrible. (3+ / 0-)

        It amazes me how low WalMart sinks.

  •  I heard their meme is (5+ / 0-)

    "darkness at the edge of town."

    Catchy!!!

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    by Einsteinia on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:42:33 PM PDT

    •  The meme is right-on. Makes the center of towns... (3+ / 0-)
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      dark as well. The downtown stores close and the street lights are turned off.

      •  A Walmart SuperCenter is trying to move downtown, (5+ / 0-)

        in Green Bay WI.  A canning factory closed down about 15 - 20 years ago and the street it was on, N Broadway, used to have a lot of taverns and seedy apartments, which attracted the wrong type of crowd.  There were a lot of problems with the taverns, but now most of them are gone and converted to something else.  There are quite a few small high end shops now, along with Cafes & Restaurants.  It's not a place, where I could afford to shop or eat, because you need a few bucks, to be able to do so, which leaves me out.  Of course now Walmart wants to put a SuperCenter next to where the canning factory used to be.  There is a lot of controversy and these shops are worried Walmart will push them out, now that they just got their roots set down.  Walmart has changed the design of their building, to fit in more to the area of the revitalized street, but not sure if they will get the go ahead yet.  No decision has been made yet.  The other thing I noticed in Green Bay is they have 4 Super Centers, fairly close to each other, but the prices are not the same at each one.  If it happens to be in a better part of town, their prices are higher, which always seemed odd to me.

  •  There are some who are on such a limited budget (10+ / 0-)

    that they really may have no choice but to shop there. Those of us who are a bit better off really should avoid the place. I never shop there.

    You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

    by MikePhoenix on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:44:46 PM PDT

  •  Nasty employees (4+ / 0-)

    That is another reason I do not go to Wal-Mart in my area; they apparently do not care about their employees' appearance or hygiene.

    On one visit, one girl working the checkout had such a low-cut t-shirt that I thought her breasts were going to fall out when she bent over to place items in the bag. Really gross.

    •  When you pay peanuts, you end up hiring (2+ / 0-)
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      monkeys.

      Maybe your experience with that checkout girl is actually part of a new marketing strategy. Give customers a free titty show on the way out.

      You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

      by MikePhoenix on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:52:28 PM PDT

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      •  I'll probably get HR'd for typing this (0+ / 0-)

        But some people look better fully clothed. Seeing them expose too much skin is a turn-off, not a turn on.

        Come to think about it, most people look better fully clothed. And I freely admit I'm one of those people.

    •  Even that won't make me step foot in the joint... (3+ / 0-)
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      But went by a drive-through coffee shack in Tacoma WA that advertised bikini clad servers. Expressed a desire for a Venti but wife was concerned about my blood pressure.

    •  as WASPY as possible (2+ / 0-)
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      This is also why in some markets Whole Foods is a much less well run place. They tend to hire people who project a corporate image of conformity.  I recall when they would hire competent people.  One, a manager who kept the store running flawlessly, was scary to some people but excellent.

      I also saw this at Target when my friends and I were looking for jobs 20 years ago.  They definitely preferred people who looked like svelte Minnesota residents.

      The basic problem with Walmart and most retail establishments is they hire people at very low pay and don't reward competence. I have seen this over and over again as young people I know tell me they have worked their way up to manager and compensation has not increased significantly.

      Even with a higher minimum wage, if compentency is not rewarded and built, we are going to continue to have horrible service.

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      by lowt on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:01:49 PM PDT

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    •  Sometimes my coworkers don't have running water (7+ / 0-)

      Or they may have water but not power. We had a guy who rode his bike to work every day in under an hour; what's amazing about that is that I took him home once right before a big storm, and it took me almost an hour to DRIVE to his trailer. But all of his work shirts were tattered and had holes, he had terrible teeth, I'm pretty sure he cut his hair with scissors, and he always smelled like kitty litter and taco meat. (A coworker who claimed to have actually been inside his trailer said that he used the bathtub as the litterbox since he had so many cats.) Which got me thinking: crazy cat people LOVE their cats, and when they leave those cats, they usually like to leave lights or TVs on or something, right? When I took him home that one time, his trailer was dark.

      Other than the smell, which I admit was really, gag-inducingly bad sometimes, he was a really nice guy. He was polite, very helpful and respectful, he'd do whatever you asked, he could pull ridiculously heavy loads and never got tired, and he was even one of the few who made it to work during Ice Storm '09. On his bicycle. I have huge respect for that. (I'm also angry that that doesn't seem to count for anything, as apparently he's been missing too much work lately and has gotten fired.)

  •  I'd like to contribute to organizing efforts re (0+ / 0-)

    Walmart.  No one has given me a reliable link.  Any thoughts?

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    by Rikon Snow on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:49:43 PM PDT

    •  You will NEVER unionize Walmart! (10+ / 0-)

      On the first day of orientation the "happy to have ANY job" new hires are shown a video decrying ANY unionization.  Walmart lies and says you can't even participate in trying to unionize OFF SITE AND ON YOUR OWN TIME.  Not true!

      Almost all new hires (especially seasonal workers) can be terminated at any time as they are hired as part-time temps.  These workers are terrified of losing their jobs.  I have seen people with PhDs working and now subservient.

      Walmart kills the human soul.  Walmart makes sure they are slaves who never complain..or they are gone.

      •  Walmart Anti-Union Bias (3+ / 0-)

        Is DEEPLY embedded in the Corporate DNA; They probably spend more on anti-union efforts than raising the minimum wage to $15 would cost them.

        And their personnel policies and labor law in general (How many states are "At Will" and Open shop these days?) are such that it is going to be as long and bloody a struggle as Workers endured in the Thirties to restore the rights that have been lost.  They can always find an excuse to fire someone.

        Meanwhile, on SSI I really can't afford to pay 20% more for ALL my groceries.  

        Can I get a job as the OUR Walmart Rezident?

        (My closest WM is #1;  What did you think the sig line was about?)

        In the dark shadow of the Great Satan of Retail

        by OzarkOrc on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:41:54 PM PDT

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        •  WM is not the only anti union place (2+ / 0-)
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          WM is one of a long line of ANTI UNION places--Lowes Home Depot K-Mart most food chains--ALL are rabidly and firmly ANTI UNION.

          They are ever on the look out for ANY thing that might possibly even suggest by the merest whiff that a Union Rep might be within a hundred miles.

          As a manager you can be instantly FIRED for having some on on the premises who the upper level Mgt teams THINK is Union related.

          Paranoia much?

  •  Walmart sells guns. (3+ / 0-)
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    Right there along with children's toys, tooth paste, gold fish, dog food and people food is whatever gun tickles your particular fetish and ammo to your heart's content.

    As long as they do this, I don't darken their door.

    •  And yet, they claimed pregnant Barbie was "dang... (7+ / 0-)

      And yet, they claimed pregnant Barbie was "dangerous to children" and wouldn't sell it.

      THE IRONY.

    •  The pets department isn't a real winner, either (6+ / 0-)

      I used to work at a large, very animal-oriented retail pet chain, and looking at Walmart's fishtanks makes me nauseated. I really, really wish they'd phase it out. At the pet store, we tested the water quality twice a day, changed the water in the betta cups three times a week, and were very scrupulous about scrubbing algae and vacuuming the gravel. Walmart has "hey, somebody wants a fish" and they don't even use gravel at my store anymore, probably because they don't want to pay someone to take the time to clean it when they could be stocking someone else's department. Gravel is what keeps all the leftover food and poop from floating around and making the water murky, and I don't think there are even any algae pads in the pitiful little cabinet above the sink. Oh, and they test their water quality twice a week.

      Also, back at the pet store, we were always telling people not to buy fish from Walmart because they usually ended up carrying something that would kill off half of their new neighbors. It happened more times than I could count: "I got a new fish and then everything else started dying!" "Did you get it at Walmart?" "Well... yeah..." "There's your problem."

  •  And yet... (1+ / 0-)
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    Our attempts at preventing WalMart opening a "super" store here have failed to more than delay the project, which is now on track despite the site's proximity to a seasonal wetland.

    Our downtown is pretty much shuttered already.

  •  The graph doesn't begin to tell the story. (2+ / 0-)
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    Their total growth if propped up by sales from newly opened stores.  Same-store sales have actually been going down, as has their profit margin.

    And -- what do you expect?

    You can't walk through the aisles of our local Wal-Mart without seeing empty slot after empty slot after empty slot.  Even if they have the item you're looking to buy, the sight leaves a bad impression and makes you less likely to return if there is a reasonable alternative.

    And let's not mention the near complete failure of their international operations.

    Bad times for Wal-Mart.

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    by dinotrac on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:22:57 PM PDT

    •  I've written a couple of diaries about this (5+ / 0-)

      I thought it worth mentioning because I'm still mad about how I struck out with about half of my grocery list the other day, and I'm still waiting on a few of those items to come in, and because I work there, I know exactly why each and every shelf facing is empty. For one item, the department manager is a lazy jerk who can't be bothered to fix the shelf counts and order more. For another item, it's on a trailer (maybe not BINNED on the trailer, but it's on the trailer, simply because we have no room for it in the store), and nobody's been out there lately. For another, the warehouse simply hasn't sent us any even though we've been trying to get some in for forever.

  •  Amazon Is No Great Shakes Either nt (0+ / 0-)

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:26:19 PM PDT

    •  Amazon hired Walmart management on purpose (1+ / 0-)
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      Bezos hired top level Walmart managers to implement "logistic, staffing and supply line improvements" several years ago. That's where the temp workers killing themselves working fast to get hired permanent came from. The temp place has former Walmart now Amazon department head give weekly speech on how he's looking to hire several people next month and will be paying attention to their order picking speed. People bust ass for months but nobody ever gets hired. Enough temps get hurt or quit so that the same con can be played for years w/o ever hiring anyone. Nobody is allowed to converse on floor and temp and permanent have different hours so most temps don't know newest permanent employee hired 18 months ago.

      Temps are even supervised on job site by temp agency staff so no contact w/ permanent staff unless you wait outside for hours until shift change.

      I hate them worse than Walmart. With no on site customers cruelty is not kept hidden, it is everywhere.

      •  Thanks for the info-I always wondered how they ... (0+ / 0-)

        Thanks for the info-I always wondered how they operated and it sounds terrible. I never bought much through them anyway, now I'll be avoiding them.

      •  Oh jeez (1+ / 0-)
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        That sounds exactly like a company I worked for a few years ago. They repaired cell phones and shipped them back to retailers to sell as remanufactured. They too had an on-site temp employment agency...that told you how high the turnover rate was. Conditions were so bad that one employee who had to wear sunglasses all the time due to an eye disease was ordered to remove his glasses when a client touring the site expressed his displeasure at seeing the sunglasses being worn inside the facility. The employee explained why he was wearing them, but had to contact his eye doctor to fax over an explanation before he was allowed to put them back on. For 3 hours he had to work while barely being able to see. To say that the management and owners were bastards is much too nice.

        •  Speaking of "refurbished cell phones", a company I (6+ / 0-)

          know, sells a lot of protection plans, promising a new phone, if their's breaks.  Of course the "new phone" turns out to be a "used phone", which was "maybe" refurbished, but when the customer gets the phone, it is obviously used, has scratches and dents, etc..  I talked to someone, who had a 64 bit smart phone, which broke, when she got her "new phone", it was not only used, but was a 32 bit, scratched & dented.  The other thing, which amazes me is the protection plans, which are sold, mainly for computers & cell phones, end up being charged to someone's account, when they are not even a customer, of the company.  There are numerous calls about plans charged to debit cards and credit cards erroneously and I need to transfer them to an agent, who can get it corrected and get the money back to that customer.  It's not just a few here and there, but has been a problem, since I worked this job.  Have to wonder if it is done on purpose, or if the company is just that bad at having money taken out for these plans automatically.  We get so many calls like this, because some people actually check their checking accounts and charge accounts, call in really pissed off and dispute these charges.  I try to watch my checking account, since I no longer have any active credit cards, making sure things taken out are supposed to be taken out, just think of people, who don't pay attention.

      •  And Vendors Are Forced To Subsidize The Operation (0+ / 0-)

        It's cheap because customers aren't paying the real costs.

        Even without using the Amazon warehouse system, the fees for selling one item can quickly reach $1000 a month on $8000 of gross sales to basically host a static web page and process credit card transactions.

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:39:41 AM PDT

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      •  I shop Amazon but (0+ / 0-)

        I end up buying from the "Other sellers" list. Even with the $3.99 handling charge, there's a surprising number who charge less & tend to be small businesses.

        But that is Amazon's plan: provide a place where people shop, & charge admission to the sellers.

      •  I feel dirty now. (4+ / 0-)

        I didn't think I could feel dirtier than Walmart. I was wrong.

  •  When did Walmart's reputation begin to suffer? (7+ / 0-)

    1. Was it when they misled people by putting up signs above the racks that read "American Made"?

    2. Was it when the super duper Walmarts closed the doors on the few small businesses left in the nearly deserted streets of small town, USA?

    3. Was it when they got off contributing their fair share of taxes to support the schools, roads, and fire and police departments?  

    4. Was it when they locked their employees in for the night so they couldn't escape when a fire broke out?

    5. Was it when community officials realized that they were having to compensate for the low wages that they paid their employees?

    These could be construed as criminal acts, and it looks like the only restitution Walmart will be paying is in the form of loss revenue. Too bad we don't live in a country where the free market and competition rule, otherwise, they would be out of business.  
     

  •  good. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "Please proceed, Governor"

    by portlandzoo on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:09:08 PM PDT

  •  Let the owners eat cake! (2+ / 0-)
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    I will not shop there nor purchase even pizza from places where workers are treated unfairly.  It's just the principle.  Good for people not shopping and patronizing these places.  I would rather spend a little more or go a few miles extra than go there.  We once were great Wal Mart shoppers,now I can't stand the place.  Greed might just be their undoing.  They and all the uber wealthy deserve they to be knocked down a few pegs. Wouldn't it be great if a huge sinkhole opened in their private enclaves?  Just swallow them and their heirs up.  Not a trace of their inhumanity left.  One can hope and dream.

  •  This is what will force change from these regre... (2+ / 0-)
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    This is what will force change from these regressive companies! Take your spending money elsewhere! Worker solidarity is powerful if folks stick together!

  •  how much of Walmart profit can be directly linked (0+ / 0-)

    to tax, wage, healthcare and other benefit subsidies

  •  I know its not an option for all, but I've alwa... (1+ / 0-)
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    I know its not an option for all, but I've always avoided Walmart, the whole place is depressing to me-bad atmosphere, poor treatment of workers, the whole experience is miserable, the customers don't even seem happy. I just go to a regular grocery store and buy store brands to save money as much as I can, and different discount stores for other stuff.

  •  I WOULDN'T SHOP AT WALMART... (0+ / 0-)

    and have refused to join coworkers who needed to go there.  
    I suggest other stores, where the service is better, and the price is within 10%.
    The industry term for this is fuck'em.

    I ALSO REDIRECT my friends to eat breakfast at "that small business corner shop"  lunch at "that little mexican food place"....
    they are within 10% of McStuff and the other fast food places--- and the people behind the counter actually get some of the profit!!!!!

    IT IS THE LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

  •  Unionize (0+ / 0-)

    and then that will be the end of Walmart.

    •  It won't happen for one good reason (0+ / 0-)

      And not that Walmart is virulently anti-union.

      A company has to offer jobs that people want to work for a significant period of time. If not their entire lives, then several years.

      Who amongst the floor staff would really want to work at Walmart if there was an alternative? Almost all who do state that there are no other jobs to be found.

      A simpler way to make Walmart a better place to work would be to pass -- & enforce -- laws against their more outrageous actions. Or to not shop there & drive them out of business.

  •  Walmart strikers would stand a better chance (0+ / 0-)

    of changing Walmart, if all the "strikers" were actually Walmart employees and the strike was sponsored from within the stores.  

  •  My parents are on a fixed income (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    snwflk, Yonit, SilentBrook

    And continue to shop at Walmart to make ends meet. I have made the choice, long ago, to shop elsewhere, but my parents are in a very different place financially. Another more cynical aspect to their predicament is that with the coming of Walmart, all other competition was decimated in the rural area where they live. How can we encourage consumers who may have few choices or means to make different spending choices?

    •  I am on fixed income too, but almost never go to (4+ / 0-)

      Wally World as I call it.  Only if I can't find something I need elsewhere.  My area is also rural, small town, but our businesses have thrived because they offer a choice that most of the locals prefer.  Plus the nearest Walmart is about 12 miles away from me, more than that for alot of our residents, and no one can afford the gas to drive there unless you are in the area.  Most shop local, so the local businesses thrive.  Better service, often better prices, definitely better attitude in the employees.  

      •  Rural America (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        I live in a very rural area--cows apples potatoes and slate.  Oh  and our largest crop but that one is not exactly legal.  Yet.

        We have::: One gas and convenience store (milk eggs bread ice cream and a few other staples and even a tiny low choice deli).  A Feed n Farm Store.  A tractor store--no NOT Tractor Supply.  A NAPA. A Tavern we have heard is closing as it can't get the septic system it needs to operate. An Art Studio store.  And an Arts Co-op that no one local can afford to take a class at or shop at.   An upholstery place. Two banks! A smaller  hardware store-franchise.  Hospital owned medical office.

        What closed in the past year::: A revived old fashioned Ice Cream Parlor in--an old ice cream parlor.  Our pharmacy.  A dance studio-owner raised rent dance teacher went same day and bought old American Legion building outside of Village so they LOST on the taxes etc--and the old dance place is STILL vacant.   The only restaurant in town.  Other than a fancy-no-one-who-lives-here-can-afford-it lunch place that lil old blue haired tourist ladies go to!

        Our grocery store was neglected and the out of town owner wanted so MUCH for it and refused to SELL it was finally condemned and the town paid to tear it down.  

        This is life in Rural America.  You can't buy a skirt;  You can buy a pair of Carharrtts for $75 at the Agway.  You can go to one of the 5 churches.  You can be spit on while in line at the Post Office for daring to be gay.  

        Did I miss anything?

        OR--you can drive the HOUR to Walmart.  Or the 30 minutes to a town with ONE grocery store and a Tractor Supply and a Dollar General--now THOSE are spreading like wildfire.   A few fast food places.  

        But there are few choices out here. And your neighbors ARE the faces behind that check out belt.

        •  What about the post office? (0+ / 0-)

          You mean for buying some Harvey Milk stamps?

          Oh myyy...

          And what state?

          Yes, I get it, all the local businesses are closing. This is what angers me. So, while here in Chicago, I have local choices rather than going to the awful Walmart in Niles, IL, I understand why some continue to go there.

          And I would almost presume that some preachers are warning their flocks about Walmart protesters? Why, forever more???

          Ugh. --UB.

          The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

          by unclebucky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 07:15:18 AM PDT

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  •  Sad Workers (3+ / 0-)

    I now shop at our local discount specialty stores FIRST.  We live in a rural retail hell here, so Walmart is the only way to avoid Amazon for some items (85 miles to Costco).  But we use Grocery Outlet, Bi-Mart, and several small businessmen first.  Walmart trips are now less than 1/ Mo.

    I aim to live in agreement with Benjamin Franklin's admonition to "Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty."

    by delonix on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 08:15:56 AM PDT

  •  Ugh (3+ / 0-)

    Disgusting that it's still growing and not shrinking  :(

  •  Walmart Owners (4+ / 0-)
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    The Walton Family are among the richest on the planet. One would think they could afford to pay a living wage.  

  •  Another reason to avoid WalMart..... (4+ / 0-)

    is that you could be shot!

  •  Cool! (3+ / 0-)

    It's news today, what my family has been doing for 10 years.  Sweet!

  •  And their products SUCK! They use brand names but (7+ / 0-)

    the products (such as bicycles, routers and other electronics) are very poorly made or flat out rejects...mostly made in China.
    They buy garments from Bangladesh!  A country where over a thousand garment workers were crushed in a factory collapse. At one point I thought "Maybe I should support my neighbors who work there..."

    But then I saw the statistic that the second generation Waltons have more wealth than the total "wealth" of our bottom 41.3% of the American population.

    NO ONE SHOULD SHOP AT WALMART OR WORK THERE!
    SHUT IT DOWN!

  •  walmart customers staying away (4+ / 0-)

    Walmart's pay scale is poor incentive for their employees to produce quality work.  Their greed is revealed in many ways.  

    1) The long lines at human-operated checkouts and their refusal to open another register is an obvious move to force customers to use the self-checkout registers.

    2) It is difficult to find a buggy in a Walmart that will roll in a straight line.

    3) they are not necessarily the low price leader-- even convenience stores beat their prices on some items.

  •  It's working (2+ / 0-)

    I hate that store and they will get none of my business.

    I am for the worker at the international level.  It's time for workers to ban together.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 01:47:58 PM PDT

  •  Can't stand the place (3+ / 0-)

    I haven't shopped at a WalMart since 1995 or 1996 when it became obvious to me that they were responsible for the destruction of America's manufacturing industry.  The obvious fact that they have systematically mistreated their employees since their inception only adds to my dislike of the company. This is a corporate culture that doesn't do anything unless it benefits their owners and the bottom line.  The recently announced hiring of 100,000 veterans in the near future is too little, too late and is playing on the new found patriotism of Americans as the war in SW Asia draws down. If they were sincere, we would have this 10 years ago without the mandatory PR campaign. The true irony is that the core WalMart shopper was probably laid off because of a WalMart business practice and doesn't even know it.

  •  A walmart truck driver just mowed over Tracy Mo... (3+ / 0-)

    A walmart truck driver just mowed over Tracy Morgan. 50 lawyers from Wallyworld will settle out of court for a $250 gift card & a straighttalk phone.

  •  I gladly pay a little more elsewhere to boycott... (2+ / 0-)

    I gladly pay a little more elsewhere to boycott Walmart. I've boycotted MacDonald's all my life, even after RayKroc died.

    •  One thing you should remember, not all Mcdonalds (3+ / 0-)

      treat their employees badly.  Our local Mcdonalds is the busiest place in town, well run, hire alot of people and pay a good wage because the franchise owner decided to do it right.  They also have a wonderful manager. I know him personally, used to be my neighbor til his house burned down.  Electrical fire.  He is a great guy, treats the employees well, gets in there and works doing what ever needs done when they are really busy, which is often.  Yes, their food isn't the best thing to eat, but in our area, not much choice.  There used to be a very nice family run restuarant in our town, but the owners were old and sold to someone else, who is not as good at the restuarant business.  They are losing customers because of their poor service, not so good food, and lowsy hours.  Sad to see such a nice place go downhill.  Anyway, it is somewhat up to the owners to decide how to do business, and ours does it better than most.  Everyone who works there likes it, and it is very hard to get a job because no one quits.  

      •  What you say is true, but let me say... (0+ / 0-)

        Hi,

        First, when some kids acted up in the hallway in high school, we ALL got detentions. And while that was totally unfair, none of us EVER disputed that, and we, as a group of innocents (I was talking with my English teacher and emerged to be pushed to the wall) should have protested the punishment.

        Second, we won't know who is a great guy/great gal unless people like you highlight them and show why they are running against the stereotype of McD, Walmart or whatever. Likewise, business communities need to highlight ethical and moral business people for the right, not the wrong, reasons so that we know where our "neighbours" are and where the outside invaders are as well.

        Good report. And where is this? :)

        --UB.

        The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

        by unclebucky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 07:05:51 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  WalMart (4+ / 0-)

    I haven't been in a WalMart in 9 years, and hopefully, will not ever darken their doors again. It is my hope that Target does not fold due to it's security problems, because it is far superior to Walmart, and I find their employees pleasant and helpful.

    WalMart is a cancer on the retail business of this country.

    •  Thanks for your first comment, jwhite21. (0+ / 0-)

      WalMart really is quite the pioneer of hideous labor practices.

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      by belinda ridgewood on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 08:46:13 PM PDT

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    •  I haven't shopped at Target since it was revealed (0+ / 0-)

      that their CEO gave money to religious groups that advocated killing gay people. Why should I support a business that supports people who want to kill me.

      At the time the story broke, many gay people defended Target because they appear to be gay friendly in their employment practices, but what they failed to realize is Target's "gay friendliness" has an economic basis, rather than a moral one. It is cheaper for large companies to have a uniform policy than it is to have separate policies for different locations when large metro areas or states make laws that affect their business practices. If the conservatives take over, then their liberal gay policy would just as likely shift as well, and since it is the conservative policies their CEO supported, that is more likely the policy the upper management really favors.

      I liked Target before that, I even used to work there. It wasn't that great a place to work, but it was the same as working for any large national chain. I've worked for a lot of them, and it's all part-time-minimum-wage-no-benefits work. They do, however, give periodic miniscule raises.

      What I didn't like was the fact that you never knew when or how long you would be working. You might be sent home early at any time. On your day off you might be called in if the truck came in or you might be called on a scheduled day and told not to come in. You could also be fired for putting your hands in your pockets. They watch everything with cameras, which they make sure and let you know by taking you into the security room. They treat their employees as if they are all thieves. They also once had us help them catch a shoplifter, which I didn't think was right. We had to stand outside and block the shoplifter to slow him down so the security people could catch him. The security people are better paid than we were, but they gave us a card for a free drink at the food court. Whoopee!

      Now they are letting people carry guns openly in their stores.

      The more I think about it, the less I like Target, and I will continue not to shop there.

  •  Interesting to see (3+ / 0-)

    just how many shoppers Walmart will alienate before reality strikes, and they decide to stop spending their billions on new maneuvers and distractions to avoid having to pay their workers decent wages, provide a relatively consistent number of working hours so employees have some idea of their future income, and treat them with some respect.

    Would be quite a feat for the current Walmart decision makers  to run Sam's business into the ground rather than
    change their stripes, but I, for one, am willing to help that happen.

  •  As ye sow (3+ / 0-)

    Nice to see WalMart finally reaping the benefits of mistreating its workers.

  •  Less shoppers at Wal Mart (3+ / 0-)

    I would rather go naked in the Arctic or starve to death before EVER setting foot in a WM. If Costco can treat its employees well, provide health care and other benefits and still be profitable, WHY can't WM? GREEDY Walton "family" who don't know what else to do with their slave labor squillions other than to support Wingnut causes.

  •  I never shopped there very much (2+ / 0-)

    and I'm now starting my fifth year of a complete boycott of Walmart and Sam's Club.

  •  I would have guessed (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    unclebucky

    it was the gun nuts.

  •  I stopped (3+ / 0-)

    except for my allergy medicine when I was told by one of the cashiers, who has worked there over 5 years, that she could not afford to have back surgery and thus has to hold one when she stands all day, because the $125 a month insurance policy she pays for has a $5500 deductible...and the fact that she makes $8.25 an hour...5 years to go from $7.25 to $8.25...astounding...yet the Waltons have enough for Ms. Walton to accumulate, here in TX, 3 DWI's and pay to get them dismissed

    •  And---- (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      They refuse to pay for certain procedures!  Their insurance is deceptive and VERY costly and they will TELL you flat out GO TO YOUR WELFARE OFFICE for health issues and Food Stamps---some WM's even have this all printed up as a "Welcome Basket" when you get hired.  

      They EXPECT you to need this as NO ONE could afford to USE the insurance should they be able to pay for it at ALL.

      There is a really interesting "Anti Walmart" Micheal Moore-type film out there I wish I could remember the name.  Goes into depth on ALL of these topics.  Interviews business owners who lost their business to WM;  people in CHINA who MAKE the products--quite in depth and shocking--and I was not a WM fan before this!

      Maybe some one knows the film I am thinking of---fairly current production.  

      Oh and people make a BIG DEAL out of HOBBY LOBBY--a place I will NEVER shop--but WM is just as "Christian" in their refusals to allow "Their" insurance companies to allow women to get tubal ligations and other reproductive care--note I did NOT say "abortions".  When a relative called up to find out if they would pay for a surgery they never even ALLOWED her to finish speaking and told her NO they would NOT pay for this--it wasn't what she had even called ABOUT---and then they told her that they would NOT pay for gastric bypass--ANOTHER thing she NEVER asked about!

      Makes you wonder.

  •  They Shipped their OWN customers Jobs to China (2+ / 0-)

    Walmart is THE dominant force in the Retail and Grocery market;   They see their "Peer" competition as Dollar Store chains (who have WORSE labor practices), and this will be the situation as long as the condition of the American Working class deteriorates.

    If we really were a Nation that enforced existing laws, they would already have been broken up in the name of Anti-Trust.  (Read about the Great A&P).

    Walmart sets the "standard" for labor practices in large segments of our economy, and openly acts to stifle competition where it is already dominant.

    Until we have a Congress that admits this is a problem, and passes a $15 an hour Minimum wage, well, the problems are only going to get worse.

    Meanwhile, Walmart's practices will eventually destroy the American economy because of the way they are destroying the income base of American workers.

     

    In the dark shadow of the Great Satan of Retail

    by OzarkOrc on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:56:51 PM PDT

  •  This is my first post on Kos, or about anywhere... (3+ / 0-)

    This is my first post on Kos, or about anywhere. I prefer to comment in person where all communication modes are in effect, but --

    Why hasn't there been a boycott of Walmart? It seems that I read about the Walmart clans atrocious behavior at least two or three times a week . The only family group with a worse reputation is the Koch bunch. I know there is an effort underway to avoid buying from the Koch companies, but it's a difficult endeavor due to their diversification. But Walmart is pretty visible and comprises a hefty majority of the family fortune. Seems like if we all responded to every negative post with "Just don't buy ANYTHING from them!" It would gradually bite them where it hurts the most. Just sayin'.

  •  I Only Buy Loss-Leaders From Wal-Mart (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    unclebucky

    Loss leaders are items sold at below-cost, the idea being to get you into the store, with the hope that you will buy other things while in the store...to make up the loss they took to get you in the door.

    My loss-leader is my prescription drugs.  My Medicare Part D plan requires me to fill my drugs at Wal-Mart...or my co-pay for drugs goes up astronomically.

    If I fill at Wal-Mart, my co-pay is $1.  Anywhere else, my co-pay is $10.

    I know Wal-MArt got into this deal with Humana...as a loss leader - hoping to get people thru their doors to get their prescriptions...HOPING those people would then buy other stuff while there at Wal-Mart to get their drugs.

    I don't.  I get my drugs and LEAVE.

    I'm happy to shop at Wal-MArt when I can shop for loss leaders only.

    Another way to stick it to WalMart would be to go in...buy a candy bar for a buck...and pay for it with a credit card.  The per-swipe merchant fee assessed to WalMart for your credit card purchase will eat up any profit WalMart might otherwise make on a similar cash sale, and they likely wind up losing money on that deal.

  •  Another reason... (0+ / 0-)

    That Walmart truck in NJ, where the driver stayed awake 24 hours....

    That's why MANY MORE Walmart customers should stay away, IMHO, for good.

    Ugh. --UB.

    The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

    by unclebucky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:51:39 AM PDT

  •  Slave wages (0+ / 0-)

    Meanwhile everywhere else we shop also has cheap stuff made in China by people making even lower wages.

  •  There's a low limit to how far this will go. (0+ / 0-)

    In urban areas, there are many alternatives to Walmart.  But in thousands of small towns across the country, there really is no alternative.  If you want groceries, you grow your own, buy them at Walmart, or drive 75 miles each way to get to a Safeway or even a Target.  This is the result of Walmart's core strategy.  Their first victims were the small businesses, including grocery stores, that one used to find on Main Street 40 years ago.

    It doesn't matter whether their customers respect them or not, in many cases. Those poor people have about as much choice as someone forced to buy a meal in an airport.

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