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D'oh.
Here's one more thing we now know about Obamacare that Republicans got very wrong: it is not a job killer.
[T]he latest jobs report suggests that the broader economy—and the health care sector, specifically—are adding jobs at a healthy rate.
  • Since the Affordable Care Act was signed into law in March 2010, the health care industry has gained nearly 1 million jobs—982,300, to be more precise—according to Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates released on Friday.
  • Meanwhile, the rest of the economy has added 7.7 million jobs since March 2010, and for the first time, more people are working since the recession began five years ago.
  • Private-sector jobs also grew for the 51st straight month, Justin Wolfers observes at The Upshot, which ties the longest consecutive streak on record and overlaps with the passage of Obamacare 50 months ago. But that streak is piddling compared to health care, which just reported its 131st straight month of job gains.
It only makes sense: millions more people with coverage will increase demand for health care. Increased demand will mean the need for more people to provide the service, more people in doctors offices and hospitals doing the record keeping and business administration to take care of the influx of patients.

But maybe healthcare jobs, like government jobs, don't really count if you're a Republican. All the same, it's going to be hard for them to continue with that line with any credibility.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:15 AM PDT.

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  •  If it weren't for Obamacare... (8+ / 0-)

    ...think how many jobs Obama would have created...

    ...oh wait.

    The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

    by NCJim on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:26:43 AM PDT

    •  Actually, if it weren't for Republicans... (13+ / 0-)

      ...think of how many jobs President Obama could have created.  

      They did everything in their power to stop him from creating programs and making policies that would help the economy and increase the number of jobs because they didn't want him to appear to be a successful president.

      "The Trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat." attributed to Lily Tomlin

      by uniqity on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:36:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Obama has been asking for jobs (1+ / 0-)
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        to fix the infrastructure for years and the GOtP has no choice than to accede at this time.
        I think the first order of business will be to provide crying towels for the House.

        No country can be both ignorant and free - Thomas Jefferson

        by fjb on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:54:30 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Decades from now historians will find (2+ / 0-)
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        themselves flummoxed in trying to explain what was going in the U.S. since 2001 for fear they wouldn't be believed.  

        We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

        by Observerinvancouver on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:54:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Especially they will be confused about the notion (0+ / 0-)

          that the economy is getting worse and that there are more unemployed people than in 1929, in other words more than 25% of the population..

          While they try to figure that out they will also be flummoxed by the idea that Pubs seem to think that cutting off unemployment benefits will somehow motivate people to find jobs that they say do not exist.

          It is enough to cause a stroke trying to figure that out. Hopefully they will still have ACA to help prevent that.

          If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

          by Pixie5 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:20:50 AM PDT

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          •  My favorite is that more people are leaving the... (0+ / 0-)

            My favorite is that more people are leaving the work force than ever before when the truth of the matter is that 75% of those leaving the work force are Baby Boomers retiring but if they told you that fact their sound bites wouldn't sound as good.

      •  U3 would be at least 1 pt lower. (0+ / 0-)
    •  If it weren't Obamacare I'd have no care at all... (1+ / 0-)
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      gloom, despair, and agony on meeee. - RepubliHeeHaw

      •  If it twern't for bad luck I have no luck at all.. (0+ / 0-)

        Yes I remember HeeHaw...

        Good spin on it. ;)

        Maybe someone can make a country song about how bad ObamaCare is...fitting it somewhere between "My girl left me" and "my dog died". Do you know that country Western bars sell more booze?

        But that is okay because ObamaCare will pay for addiction treatment too!

        If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

        by Pixie5 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:43:49 AM PDT

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    •  Well this also puts the rumor to rest about (0+ / 0-)

      the idea that there would not be enough medical staff or facilities to deal with the influx of patients. I never understood that argument. When demand increases then they would hire more people. And in my area they are building a nice big Kaiser hospital! That may not seem like a big thing until you realize that I live in a fairly rural area and in fact we have had a shortage of hospitals. In fact we used to only have one hospital with an emergency room serving a population of hundreds of thousands of people for at least a couple of decades after another hospital went out of business. We now have two, but a Kaiser facility would be welcome also.

      Healthier people, healthier society, healthier economy. It makes sense to me!

      If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

      by Pixie5 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:07:56 AM PDT

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      •  You must live in a state that took the medicaid. (0+ / 0-)

        Here in NC we are losing hospitals in the rural areas.

        The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

        by NCJim on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:38:03 AM PDT

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      •  I'm in the hospital RIGHT NOW... (0+ / 0-)

        ...and I'm spreading the good word about my ACA insurance loud and proud. I've been in the individual marketplace since 2009, was paying $290/mo for crappy insurance in 2013, and switched to a $382/mo Platinum plan as soon as I could. No subsidy, no deductible, $1800 in-net OOP max - you bet I pounced!

        Last year, I think I had three office visits. This year, I had two in first quarter, was referred to a gastro specialist last week, had two visits this week, and the second of those led to me being referred to the local ER to be admitted for a tonsil abscess. That was Saturday, and they're supposed to release me Any Time Now (Monday).

        I'm pretty sure this stay'll eat the rest of that OOP balance, meaning no more copays or prescription costs for this year unless I go out of network for some insane reason. Oh, and I've got a followup gastro visit next month and a lab test Friday. I wouldn't be shocked if more ends up on my plate in the second half of the year, and I may ask 'em to set up that sleep study I couldn't afford last year.

        If it weren't for the ACA letting me find this new plan, I'd be in a world of financial hurt. As it is, I have the $1800 socked away in a convention fund, so the worst that can happen is that I skip an expensive Labor Day weekend bash. I can deal with that.

        Thanks a lot, Obama. Seriously, and not at all sarcastically. The ACA may have literally saved my life this weekend.

        Former libertarian...who grew up.

        by RevBobMIB on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 12:19:20 PM PDT

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    •  Sadly... (0+ / 0-)

      ...the jobs that were created, we're created in the InsuriCare hegemony, and created specifically to deny treatment, or at least obstruct getting treatment.

  •  Long time since I read Republican and credability (8+ / 0-)

    in the same paragraph!

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:31:55 AM PDT

  •  Now what is Mitch McTurtle... (4+ / 0-)

    ...going to run on? His charm? His sexy ads?? Anyone???

    Twitter: @michaelhag

    by MichaelPH on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:08:02 PM PDT

  •  All I know is that I'm making 2x (8+ / 0-)

    as much money as five years ago from the same amount of work. I see people out and about, spending money, having a good time. Yes, there are serious structural problems with the economy, none of which are Obama's fault.

    The ACA is the best economic benefit the 99% has earned in over 30 years.

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:35:11 PM PDT

  •  Also encourages entrepreneurs (8+ / 0-)

    Just imagine how many people there are out there who have wanted to start their own business or to keep an existing small business operating who were forced to decide between "independence or health insurance?"

    I myself was one of the latter. I've been running my own small technical consulting business for going on 20+ years now. And being 51 now, quite honestly felt like I was about to have to decide between continued operation or surrender and trying to find a salaried job somewhere.

    I created my own job.

    The end of pre-existing coverage denials and the ACA itself represents freedom for millions of Americans. Freedom to start up or run a small business. Freedom to change jobs without worrying about a lapse in coverage. Freedom to retire.

    It's no wonder the GOPers are so opposed to the entire notion.

    "Don't ride in anything with a Capissen 38 engine. They fall right out of the sky." -- Kaywinnit Lee Frye

    by Technowitch on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:36:18 PM PDT

    •  Wouldn't you love to see the Dems create (3+ / 0-)
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      some punchy ads on this?  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:57:21 PM PDT

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      •  Aye, I would (2+ / 0-)
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        Unfortunately it does seem like they're only just now beginning to realize the PPACA could be a winner, if only the GOP lies and false narrative about it were refuted.

        I mean, just look at what's happening in Kentucky. McConnell and Ryan backed into the corner of having to outright lie about the super popular Kinect program -- with hundreds of thousands of Kentuckians finally able to see a doctor for the first time in years.

        Every time a GOPer yawps about repealing Obamacare, stuff like that needs to be thrown in their faces. And the thing is, most of them have admitted they want to go back to pre-existing coverage denials, yearly and lifetime caps, junk insurance, and skyrocketing insurance premiums -- not to mention millions of people in the salaried/hourly workforce who'd rather retire or would rather start up or own a small business.

        It's no wonder the Republicans were in such a frantic panic to try to repeal the law before the best parts came into effect. I suspect deep down, they knew it'd become popular over the long haul.

        "Don't ride in anything with a Capissen 38 engine. They fall right out of the sky." -- Kaywinnit Lee Frye

        by Technowitch on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 01:34:58 PM PDT

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        •  Every Dem candidate needs to add a new (1+ / 0-)
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          gffish

          four-letter word to their vocabulary:  lies.  

          We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

          by Observerinvancouver on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:19:51 PM PDT

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          •  exactly (0+ / 0-)

            A lie is not misspeaking or unfortunate wording or obfuscating or dishonest or any of the hundred ways people use the get around saying the word "lie".

            I don't really get why people do this though - are they trying to spare a lying liar's dishonest little feelings by not actually saying what sensible people realize?

            Republican extremists are extremely harsh and they lie all the time; Democrats need to call them on their lies and quit being so spineless.

            Oh, and Democrats need to not lie either.

        •  Deep down and right up front (1+ / 0-)
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          Cruz warned his fellows Rs that if they did not stop Obamacare by taking their stand-at-Thermopylae govenment shutdown, then once the govt-dependent populace tasted the sweet sweet sugar of affordable healthcare, they'd never be able to repeal the law

  •  In the Bay Area, all three major hospitals (7+ / 0-)

    Added new buildings and staff to ramp up for ObamaCare.

    New construction, new doctors, new nurses, new computers, more sandwiches sold to construction crews, more workers boots sold, more everything.

    The economic ripple effects of fully implementing ObamaCare are measurable around here.

    Also, many baby boomers no longer feel tied to a job for healthcare, they feel safe enough to retire early if they want and open up corner offices to the next generation of workers.

    Economic churn is back!

    ObamaCare has really contributed to the region's recovery.

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:39:44 PM PDT

    •  I have noticed the same thing around here. (2+ / 0-)
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      New medical facilities seem to be sprouting like weeds.

      “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

      by ahumbleopinion on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:46:55 PM PDT

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    •  It's not only medical jobs (1+ / 0-)
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      Everyone who got insurance for less than they used to pay has more money in their pocket, which should translate into more sneakers, or restaurant meals, or beef instead of chicken, or beer, or whatever people choose to spend it on. Same for everyone whose out of pocket health care costs went down. And when people aren't terrified that one illness will crash their household budget, they are likely to spend a bit more freely overall.

      So there should be a ripple effect through the whole economy, or at least the bottom 4/5 of it. (Of course our Congresscritters mostly don't know anyone in the bottom 4/5, so they wouldn't notice this.)

    •  Link? (0+ / 0-)
      Added new buildings and staff to ramp up for ObamaCare.

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:12:45 PM PDT

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      •  Link (0+ / 0-)

        "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

        by greendem on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 03:05:03 PM PDT

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        •  Don't be a sheep!!!! (0+ / 0-)

          I live in SF (Mission). This would be happening without ACA. I think you know that. This is a growing, booming area.

          Try again. Reality. Based. Community.

          SMH.

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:51:22 PM PDT

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          •  And don't call sheep without evidence... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... to support YOUR position. You state that greendem knows that the construction in question would be happening in SF regardless of ACA, because it's a growing booming area. Prove that you know what he should know. If you want reality based community, try providing facts instead of making accusations. Show links that the growth is not related, and that the expansion of medical services was happening pre-ACA.

            After all, it's not like anyone is using historical precedence to come to these conclusions, as if we saw an increase in health care facilities available after Medicare and Medicaid were enacted - oh wait, we did. In ten minutes searching, I've already found four major medical centers that were created or significantly expanded in 1965.

            The creation of Medicaid and Medicare in 1965 made public health insurance available to a large segment of the U.S. population. Hospital demand continued to grow. Between 1965 and 1980, the number of community hospitals in the United States increased from 5,736 (741, 000 beds) to 5,830 (988, 000 beds).
             - Essentials of the U.S. Health Care System (2009)
            http://books.google.com/...

            And SF isn't remotely the only place it's happening. In my area, there are literally dozens of new medical facilities that have opened in the last few months, or will in the next few. There are a half-dozen buildings - all medical clinics - just going up on one stretch of road, that hasn't been adequately developed before now. And while we are an ever expanding area, there hasn't been a boom of new medical facilities like this, in my lifetime.

            So, if you want to accuse greendem of making assumptions, perhaps you should provide evidence backing up your own. Because it's no great leap to say, that a massive expansion of health insurance coverage, would lead to a plethora of new medical facilities.

            •  It's the reason roll out was years long (0+ / 0-)

              The hospital lobby was in the negotiations over ObamaCare and explained they would need time to ramp up and build new facilities. When you bring millions of people into the system, it take a lot of investment to make it work.

              In California, we embraced that challenge and made it an opportunity. So did many other smart states.

              "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

              by greendem on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:52:57 AM PDT

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              •  The same thing happened with... (0+ / 0-)

                ...Medicare and Medicaid too. It's also in the book I linked above. As part of the discussions that led up to the launch of Medicare and Medicaid, they had discussions about the lack of available medical facilities, and set a goal for more hospitals beds and staff, to be met a couple of years after the launch.

                People forget how many things have to happen, to make enough doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, etc. available, for billions of people who haven't had access to preventative medicine for years. It requires years of planning and projection, and will often have small effects on economy and growth during the preparation phase.

                I'm going to be 39 tomorrow - in my adult life, I've had 4 regular yearly checkups with a GP. I've had maybe 6 yearly gynecological checkups - and the last three were in just the last four years, when I was lucky enough to get free checkups at Planned Parenthood, through a state Healthy Women program.

                And obviously I'm one of a very big pool of people right now, who are becoming a part of the health care industry, in a way they have never (or rarely) been before. I'm happy to know my locality also used this situation as an opportunity, to vastly expand our available health services in the area.

    •  In the last 51 months of private sector jobs (1+ / 0-)
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      growth, the Bay Area has been one of the strongest parts of the country.

    •  Getting a nice Kaiser hospital in the usually (0+ / 0-)

      neglected SoCal high desert!

      If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

      by Pixie5 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:29:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  No, no ,no,no! (4+ / 0-)

    Those aren't real jobs! They're the unnatural result of the tyrannical government violating the sanctity of the free market! The only real jobs are those created by private business, untrammeled by regulation and free to pay sub poverty level wages!

    WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

    /snark

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:44:21 PM PDT

    •  Unfortunately too many people actually think (1+ / 0-)
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      that is a good argument...glad you added the snark!

      If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

      by Pixie5 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:31:11 AM PDT

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  •  There are only 2 types of jobs Rs care about; CEO, (4+ / 0-)

    And the service-type jobs that cater to CEOs, like; butler, nanny, personal chef, gardener, pool boy, and car-elevator repairman. Oh, and the newest growth-jobs CEOs are planning on bringing back - lawn jockey and human chesspiece for lawn-sized chessboards. Millions will be needed to fill those positions.

    "Just because we have the best hammer does not mean that every problem is a nail." - My President

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:48:16 PM PDT

  •  I'm pissed that this is 'news' (3+ / 0-)
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    I've been screaming that ACA was a 'job creator' from Day One.  I've written to DWS and other Dem leaders, I've tweeted it like crazy.  

    "ACA is a job creator and the 'product' is healthy Americans."  

    THAT should have been one of PBO's talking points from Day One.  Instead, we heard that it would not kill jobs - Dem's accepting the defensive position.  

    Hire George Lakoff already, Dems, and get your message machine working!

  •  Pretty low standards for job creation (2+ / 0-)
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    Not a healthy rate at all.

    Still better than nothing and more than population growth, but will take a very long time to make a big dent in long-term unemployment and to get more people in the kinds of jobs they should be doing instead of the jobs they were forced to take.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:50:08 PM PDT

  •  All you at DKos could save a lot of effort if (0+ / 0-)

    you just covered the Republicans when they're right about something.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:50:21 PM PDT

  •  No job while POTUS is a Dem counts for Thugs, (1+ / 0-)
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    and while BO is counts negative.  

  •  982,300 New Healthcare Jobs? (3+ / 0-)
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    Thanks, Obamacare!  And.....thanks for preventative care, community health clinics & senior savings on prescription drugs!

  •  I bet they wish they'd thought of it first... (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh, wait.

  •  Obama created jobs while black - GOP critics (2+ / 0-)
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    Thoughtcrime, or something!

    Tyranny, and stuff!

    And I hate Brussels sprouts!

  •  It's like "Duh". (1+ / 0-)
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    As I noted in a comment some time ago, my oncologist added a physician, two nurses, and a few more clerical folks I haven't seen, only talked to.  A bookkeeper left (a good thing - she screwed up my billing all the time), but the rest are all added.  Just a little anecdote that backs up your diary...

  •  Nitpick (1+ / 0-)
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    "more people are working since the recession began five years ago."

    The recession did not begin 5 years ago. It ended 5 years ago, technically speaking, when things stopped getting worse. The recession began around the end of 2007 or the beginning of 2008.

    It is my understanding that a recession ends when economic decline stops, but that does not mean things get better. Was this not J. M. Keynes' great contribution to economic theory, that stability and equilibrium can happen while the economy is in the toilet?

    The political point being that the recession began during the Bush administration.

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and it won't do him any damn good without a hook, line and sinker, and a pond with fish in it.

    by tomwfox on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 01:02:23 PM PDT

    •  My take: (0+ / 0-)

      9/11 caused a mild recession, a major recession started with Bush's tax cuts and the Iraq War, and then the economy nose dived in 2008. It began to recover in the winter of 2011-2012 in specific cities, regions, and industries. But if you fell off the ladder during that time, you're struggling to get back up again.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 01:06:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  SMH (0+ / 0-)
        a major recession started with Bush's tax cuts and the Iraq War,
        Reality. Based. Community.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:15:59 PM PDT

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  •  Congratulations! I posted a diary last Sunday to (1+ / 0-)
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    pre-announce the 51st straight month of private sector jobs growth which ties the record going back at least 50 years.

    Next month, we'll be able to say that the current run of jobs growth sets a new record. Why wouldn't Democrats want to shout that from the rooftops, instead of countering with, "Yeah, but . . ." as I sometimes find.

    I say, "Yeah, but what? Let's take some credit for a record that hasn't been achieved before. Leave the wet blankets and crepe hangers to the opposition."

    In the same piece I sliced and diced the Health Services numbers to show that jobs are being added faster in the Medicaid expansion states.

  •  Every jobs report is poo-pooed by the Right as (1+ / 0-)
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    well as some on the "Left" as NOT GOOD ENOUGH. We see that here in this community every single month.

    This has been the single most utilized strategy in criticizing this President, the suggestion that whatever he does is not good enough:

    It's this but it should have been that; it's that but it should have been this.... This argument is facile but oh so effective, for it negates texture and context.

    The unemployment rate drops to 4.0 and the end of his term, but it is just not good enough, because seriously..."There are people still looking for work" And beyond that.... "What took him so long?"

     

    •  Actually it's pooh-poohed as "cooked the books" (3+ / 0-)

      That's the claim -- that all of the economic progress figures are completely fabricated, by special direction from the White House, in order to make Obama look good, when really everything is still completely in the tank.

      Except in the states where Republican governors are running for reelection, where everything is just beautiful (despite the Federal government's incompetence).

      •  I worked on a large project last month (1+ / 0-)
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        analyzing 50 years worth of the jobs numbers reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  I put out some of the findings here last Sunday including the record we're about to break.

        About the cooked numbers: the BLS documents the sources of its data. The jobs numbers actually come from the states, and in some cases, local areas that are big enough to matter, like NYC. It's done that way because the states administer unemployment compensation and each one gathers detailed data about the number of employers, industry categories, size, etc.  If there was any cooking, that's where it would happen.  But there's no way that the numbers could be altered without showing up somewhere. This is like accounting that has to balance to the penny.

    •  See my comment next one up from yours. (2+ / 0-)
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      I posted a lengthy diary on this topic last Sunday.

      The Democrats are making a huge mistake by trashing record, I repeat, record, private sector jobs growth.

      It keeps me awake at night wondering why they don't even know that there's record private sector jobs growth. Where's the coverage of it in the media? Why are Democrats carrying water for the GOP by refuting what the numbers say?  Do people even realize that's what they're doing?

      The Labor Participation rate is down. The long-term unemployed. The low-paying jobs that replaced better ones. There will be no celebration for breaking a record.

      I have yet to find a single Democrat who has a thorough understanding of participation rates, or any of the other toxic pills pushed by the rightwing to negate our accomplishment.

      This is about more than the 51 months of private sector jobs growth. It's about how and why it could happen.

      Keynesian Economics, which isn't Voodoo.

      Don't people understand that the 51 months of private sector jobs growth is the dividend for $1.2 Trillion in direct benefit payments made to individuals from FY2007-2014 through unemployment compensation and SNAP.

      Those two programs and other federal government income security programs create demand in the market economy and they are the only job creator there is.

      Do the Democratic Party naysayers realize the full extent of what they're trashing?

      •  You are so right. I think it is part of the (1+ / 0-)
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        adversarial motivations of some on the "Left" to hold up the President as a failure. Someone whose achievements as always fallen short of the mark.

        This can be seen in the story of the ACA and the arguments by some in that group to kill the legislation, because they didn't feel it was good enough.

        The ACA's success has been gratifying to watch these past few months, not only for the millions it has thus far helped but for the many activist and voters who, despite realizing that the law isn't perfect, realized that it is a 100 years in the making start in providing access to healthcare for millions.

        But, indeed, its success comes despite obstructionism and sabotage on the Right and rhetorical warfare by those on the "Left", geared to belittle the legislation as a "sellout" and a "fraud".

        This attitude is carried over to criticizing the economy and any achievement of this President as "not good enough". Despite the many consecutive months of job creation some of them will argue that there hasn't been any improvement in job creation. To be honest, some will argue that the President has made things worse....

        •  So they say and the environment supports it but (1+ / 0-)
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          who does it help and who does it hurt? It's a betrayal of the values of the Left and of the most vulnerable people who don't have a voice.

          I don't like what the administration does with intelligence practices, after Bin Laden was bumped off there was no reason to linger in Afghanistan, I like the 3.8% increase in the capital gains tax rate rolled up in the ACA, some of the economic policy is good. Who expects to get all they want and exactly what they want . . . and then throws out the baby with the bath water if they don't?

  •  Thanks Joan (0+ / 0-)

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 01:54:17 PM PDT

  •  Four straight months of 200,000+ job gains.... (1+ / 0-)
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    The first time since President Clinton was in office.....

    So much for "tax cuts for the job creators".....

  •  It'll be MORE even than this... (0+ / 0-)
    It only makes sense: millions more people with coverage will increase demand for health care. Increased demand will mean the need for more people to provide the service, more people in doctors offices and hospitals doing the record keeping and business administration to take care of the influx of patients.
    ...don't forget the people who wanted to leave a job to start a business or move to a different one more to their liking (where, presumably, they'd be more productive) but were--pre-ACA--"chained to" because of existing health benefits. Now, they can make those entrepreneurialism-, productivity-, and attitude-enhancing moves.

    "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

    by bartcopfan on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 02:32:28 PM PDT

  •  ACA is a brilliant stimulus in multiple ways (1+ / 0-)
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    (1) The demand for more health care is increasing employment

    (2) The reduction in health insurance costs for those in lower income groups means that these people have more money to spend

    (3) The fact that there is a more secure health system makes many, many people more confident (as well as healthier) and readier to spend and take chances.

    *

    Extra: you know the worry about having more young people sign up?  It was taken care of, in a large part, by letting new adults stay on their parents' policies until age 26.

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:03:34 PM PDT

  •  this just occurred to me (1+ / 0-)
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    The one area where a direct job loss effect could be pointed to was businesses cutting employees' hours to avoid the 30-hour threshold where the employer is required to provide health insurance.

    But that does not necessarily translate to fewer jobs, or even less work, does it?

    The employers need the labor.  If they hire two 20-hour people to do what a single full-time employee used to do, they are still paying salaries for 40 hours a week.  That money is still in the economy.

    Certainly it's a pain for a former full-time employee to have his/her hours cut, and have to seek another parti-time job.  But--didn't part-time work opportunities just open up at the competing fast food restaurant across the street?

  •  All the same... (1+ / 0-)
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    " it's going to be hard for them to continue with that line with any credibility."

    Just like most of the GOP lines -- they may sound good from the soap box, but so does snake oil.

  •  Don't think of an elephant. (0+ / 0-)

    Obamacare is a job creator.
    Not what you wrote. Let's not use their words and frame.

    But, as always, I love your work.

    "There is just one way to save yourself, and that's to get together and work and fight for everybody." ---Woody Guthrie (quoted by Jim Hightower in The Progressive Populist April 1, 2012, p3)

    by CitizenJoe on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:38:21 AM PDT

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