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The military-industrial complex is alive and well. A Republican president, Dwight Eisenhower, foresaw it. Our big cities, small cities, and little towns are getting all happy about having tanks and shit. And they need people who know how to operate them. Welcome back, Iraq and Afghanistan vets. Now you can treat your neighbors as if they are enemies. And if you don't like the idea of that, well... good luck in the foodstamp and unemployment denial line.

I am SOOOOOO angry that so many young men and women are coming home to a country that only values their experience only to the extent they know how to use big fuckin' guns to make others feel threatened. Lot's of young 'uns coming home that have spent their whole adult life in truly life-threatening situations while being taught that everyone who disagrees with the boss is an enemy. And the best way to deal with an enemy is to shoot first. Stand your ground.

Now they're coming home and the only decent paying job they'll be able to get is in police departments that need people who know how to operate military equipment.

Our kids deserve WAY better.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    If you don't like it, attack the message, not the messenger. The former may convince me that I am wrong, but the latter will always convince that I am right.

    by nancyjones on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:55:13 PM PDT

  •  Problem with military vehicles... (5+ / 0-)

    ...is that they are have very poor mileage (think gallons per mile), so they probably won't be used much. I doubt those giveaways include free fuel.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 06:57:36 PM PDT

    •  No, we pay for (6+ / 0-)

      the fuel. The border patrol down here uses 4WD SUVs and trucks that probably don't get 15mpg, and one agent per vehicle. It's an insane waste. I tried to find the fuel expenditure of ICE one time but "it's classified".

      I buy and sell well trained riding mules and American Mammoth Jack Stock.

      by old mule on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:01:05 PM PDT

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      •  Well, yeah, "we" pay... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...but it's incumbent on the local government to have the wherewithal to buy fuel. ICE has some pretty rugged terrain, so I suspect they have the fuel budget for this equipment, but if you look at, say, Freeport, IL, and/or Stephenson County, they may have a garage queen or three on their hands.

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:08:55 PM PDT

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    •  Good point (7+ / 0-)

      Nevertheless, municipalities that are bestowed with tanks and stuff will more likely spend funds to house the tanks than house the homeless.  And it will cost way more and improve the quality of life for the community way less.

      If you don't like it, attack the message, not the messenger. The former may convince me that I am wrong, but the latter will always convince that I am right.

      by nancyjones on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:02:23 PM PDT

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      •  Well, they could just park them in a garage... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...and let them collect dust. Or put them on a memorial plinth in a park (we have that in a park here in Chicago). Or sell the damned things to a collector (like the group that provided the military vehicles for the Daley Center scene in The Blues Brothers.

        I remember seeing an Apache that was a static display at a VFW hall in a small Wisconsin town. YMMV/

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:17:32 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, make someone else deal with your trash (3+ / 0-)
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          That's what most dinosaur remnants of the industrial revolution have done.  Use it up, then walk away and let all the peops that thought it was JUST SO COOL deal with disposal.

          If you don't like it, attack the message, not the messenger. The former may convince me that I am wrong, but the latter will always convince that I am right.

          by nancyjones on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:20:26 PM PDT

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          •  That, or (1+ / 0-)
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            yet another sign of what you point out above: a society that is militaristic, top to bottom.  (The two aren't mutually exclusive, of course.)

          •  Are you old enough to have read... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...Popular Science or other magazines like it in the 1960's? Military surplus was usually sold to civilians, with some restrictions. You don't see that as much now, since the Pentagon wants to unload big hunks of hardware and get a little back for their pains.

            A helicopter that could be used for search-and-rescue would be something a rural county might like, and even use, but the cost of maintaining it might render the point moot. I mentioned Stephenson County, IL, because I observed that they had a military-surplus Hummer parked outside the building in Freeport that houses the highway department, health department, and zoning department. When I asked the head of the zoning department about it, he seemed rather embarassed: he's also the local point man for homeland security, and I think that's how they ended up with the damned thing. And I'll wager it just sits there most of the time.

            Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

            by JeffW on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:35:57 PM PDT

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    •  The vehicles used by the local police (2+ / 0-)
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      are very small versions of APCs and other military hardware. None have the kind of offensive firepower found in tanks and most Armored Personnel Carriers. For situations where the police are dealing with armed criminals having a small APC is useful because the APC protects the occupants from small arms fire and is much better cover than police cars. It also allows the police to get much closer to the criminals. They are also used as command and communications vehicles.

      There are no M1 Abrams Battle Tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, or Stryker ICVs in city police departments. If all the  people in the military driving tanks and APCs have to rely on going to work for police departments, most of them will be out of luck.

      "let's talk about that" uid 92953

      by VClib on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:41:39 PM PDT

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      •  Most of them ARE out of luck (1+ / 0-)
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        the "lucky" ones can come to Gainesville, Florida or twenty or seventy four or a hundred fifty six other small cities to wo/man heavy equipment that has no real purpose in the hood.  Sure will serve to scare the shit outa the hoodies, tho.

        The rest, the unlucky ones, the majority, can sign up on the 5 year waiting list for vet housing.

        This shit is real. It makes me very sad that so many who don't know what it's like feel free to make moral judgments on it.

        Lotsa the returning vets are gonna be told "get a job, dirty fuckin' hippie."

        I hate that.

        If you don't like it, attack the message, not the messenger. The former may convince me that I am wrong, but the latter will always convince that I am right.

        by nancyjones on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:27:04 PM PDT

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  •  Our crappy county seat here got a "grant" for (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, nancyjones, Silencio, kurt

    ex=Iraq combat helicopter, 79830 USA. they flew it around one weekend, over my town nearby. It is a menacing looking thing- that's the idea, I guess.
    But with two civilian pilots it costs $4000 an hour to run, so thankfully it is parked at the seedy little  airfield costing the county a fortune in maintenance.
    Militarization of police here in the USA is too far along to stop.

    I buy and sell well trained riding mules and American Mammoth Jack Stock.

    by old mule on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:06:57 PM PDT

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