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Breaking News! This may or may not come as shock to the Republican party, bashing a still unannounced candidate for the 2016 presidential election, but Hillary Clinton has most likely already (presumably) gone through menopause... so it only stands to reason that her menstrual cycle will not cloud her judgment as president. Sorry, guys.

I'm going to start by saying that we MUST be realistic about this. I'm not one to make blanket statement, especially when it comes to a political issue, however, I don't see it to be arguable that Miss Hillary Clinton is the only woman in the United States capable of winning the presidency against the GOP in 2016. I also do not want to suggest that, because of this, she has an obligation to run, because that is obviously a lot of pressure to put on a single person. At the same time, Hillary knows no pressure. Attacks from the right are not a foreign behavior to her and she's seen it all before. In addition, if she actually decides not to run, I have absolutely no idea when the next time a woman will actually have a chance at succeeding the presidency again. Do you?

Of course, there are plenty of other strong women whom I, personally, admire whole-heartedly and would vote for in a second. Elizabeth Warren is an extremely inspiring individual, for example, whose ideas I agree with 110% and believe would greatly benefit this country.

There is just one problem; It would seem that based on the amount of people who do NOT vote, young people in particular, not enough people closer to my age typically care enough about politics to even know who Elizabeth Warren is. That is not to say that no young person actually knows who Elizabeth Warren is because there are plenty of politically engaged young people. This is obviously something that should be crucial considering young people are the ones we NEED to vote in order to win elections and, honestly, they should be voting anyway, regardless of which party they belong to. That being said, however, I am not so sure there is a single person in the United States who has not at least heard the name Hilary Clinton at one time in their life. She was a very proactive first lady for eight years, a senator for New York, a Secretary of State, mending, for four years, all that Bush had broken with other countries. Her previous occupations are sincerely enough to qualify her even more so than any of the Republican candidates we predict will run for office. The fact that the democratic candidate will be a woman will draw enough attention to politics the same way Obama becoming the first black president did. It was the thrill of witnessing history in the making that got people my age excited in 2008.

The other sad truth is that the general public looks for strong candidates who do not lean too far to one side. The so-called "Clinton Machine" certainly has not been considered the most liberal bunch, nor the most conservative by any means. For someone as vocally liberal as Bernie Sanders, for example, to win would be very unlikely, the unapologetic socialist he is (We love you Bernie!). We can all sit and talk about how much we would prefer someone like Elizabeth Warren to run, but the fact of the matter is that it just isn't possible (We still love you, too, Liz!). It's the saddest thing, but it is what it is.

In regards to Hillary, I am a woman. Women died for my right to vote so I feel obligated to vote and I refuse to be stubborn and not vote just because one person may be a "lesser of two evils". Hardcore liberals can say what they want about Hillary and the not-so-democratic things she has done in the past, but if you are someone who feels as though it may finally be time for a women to be president, then if Hillary decides to run, the only logical thing to do would be to vote for the only women with a voice loud enough to be heard and balls bigger than those of the men she may or may not be running against. Lets be honest. I would take her over anyone in the Republican Party at this point in the game, anyway.

She clearly has had no need to make an announcement, however, if she really does in fact decide to run, all the power to her.

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  •  And if she doesn't run, what then? n/t (6+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:12:18 PM PDT

    •  That's a great question (5+ / 0-)

      I think it likely that Secretary Clinton will run, and that if she runs she will get the nomination, and that if elected she would be a fine president.  But.  I'm not at all happy with the dynasties that have become so common in national level politics, and I really don't look forward to relitigating the nineties.

      My concern with the Warren for President diaries is that they seem to be cris du coeur, expressing a heartfelt longing for something better, rather than reasoned assessments of whether the good Senator wants to ran and could win if she did run - and comments quickly degenerate into dreary partisan sniping. Of course, I would campaign for her with great enthusiasm if she does get the nomination.

      So who else is there?  My preference would be for a Governor rather than a Senator, for I consider running a state to be the AAA league in national politics.  Personally I like Deval Patrick, although I have my doubts as to whether the country is ready for a Black Governor from Massachusetts to be President.

      That's all I've got, but this is why I come here: to learn.

      Vai o tatu escamoso encontrar-me onde estou escondendo? Lembro-me do caminho de ouro, uma pinga de mel, meu amado Parati

      by tarkangi on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:38:34 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not at all happy with dynasties (4+ / 0-)
        I'm not at all happy with the dynasties that have become so common in national level politics, and I really don't look forward to relitigating the nineties.
        Yet you are supporting the establishment of a Clinton dynasty.  And a Hillary candidacy will ensure relitigation of the 90s (not that that would be her fault).
      •  Warren has never said "I will not run". She keeps (4+ / 0-)
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        saying "I am not running".

        She launched a book two years before the election and is promoting it heavily.

        She keeps looking for keynote opportunities no matter the size of the venue.

        Whether she'll pull the trigger and announce a run and go after it is an open question, but she is doing exactly all the right things to keep that door open for herself.

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        by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:51:22 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, she is, (1+ / 0-)
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          oddly enough, doing things that are candidate-y.

          And BO is apparently lining up for EW's student loan recommendations [according to some diary now posted].  His support for progressive policies is most certainly not a given.

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:13:50 AM PDT

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        •  It's sad that all you guys have left is (1+ / 0-)
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          tarkangi

          parsing Sen. Warren words. Take her at her word. She is not running. Also, look on Amazon, she writes books on the regular.

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:13:57 AM PDT

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          •  Did you take Senator Obama at his word? (2+ / 0-)
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            He wasn't running at this point in 2006.

            Did you take Elizabeth Warren "at her word" when she said she was not running for Senate?

            It's interesting to me that you consider people who support a traditional centrist Democrat, and prefer her to a NeoLiberal Third Way hawk, to be "You guys".

            Just to be as clear as possible?  You're the one who decided you're part of Clinton/Markos wing of the party.  You don't get to complain if others point it out.

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            by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:50:47 AM PDT

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            •  What candidates say is different from what Pres do (1+ / 0-)
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              Candidates easily propose what feels right and polls well.  When Presidents are in office, other factors force them to do otherwise.

              Candidate Obama wanted to close Gitmo, not have penalties for not having health insurance, smaller military, get out of Iraq and Afganistan faster than the Bush schedule, etc.

              W Bush campaigned on staying out of foreign wars and not try to do nation building - it didn't turn out that way.

              This is not to criticize the President, but to highlight the difference between running for office and govenoring in office.

              The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

              by nextstep on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:08:37 PM PDT

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            •  By the fall of 2006 (which is this year), (0+ / 0-)

              he had changed his tune. By early 2007, next year, he announced. Warren is not on that trajectory. Obama was making noises.

              Making noises.
              http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

              Announcing.
              http://www.nytimes.com/...

              She ain't running.

              By the way, HRC is the traditional centrist Dem. That is one of the many complaints you people have against her. Make up your mind.

              Just to be as clear as possible?  You're the one who decided you're part of Clinton/Markos wing of the party.  You don't get to complain if others point it out.
              Who's complaining? We are going to win. And deep down, you know that.

              New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

              by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:12:25 PM PDT

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              •  This is not the fall. This is late spring. (0+ / 0-)

                HRC was a Goldwater supporter.  She is in no way a "traditional Dem" - she was proud to be part of an effort to drag this party far to the right of center in the late 1980's.

                On issue after issue, she is far to the right of the American people on the issues, from war to taxes to health care.

                And she cannot win the white house.  And deep down you know it.

                And deep down, you're ok with that as long as it keeps Warren - who would have been a middle-of-the-pack Democrat before the DLC and their bankster backers hijacked the Democratic Party and took it away from workers - out of any position of real power.

                I'd like to thank you for being far more honest than the vast majority of your right-wing compatriots here.  I mean that sincerely.

                Most of them pretend to be the allies of poor and working people. You make no bones about the fact that there is in fact a real battle for the soul of this party and that you have pledged your sword to The Money Power.

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                by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:08:02 PM PDT

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                •  Jeese, look at the polls. They in no way resemble (1+ / 0-)
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                  2007-2008. I am in no way right wing. You and I probably agree on 95% of the issues that progressives care about. Where we part is on how to achieve our shared goals. I am an incrementalist in almost every way.

                  She will win. If it is Jeb, it will be closer than what I would like. Anyone else, it's a landslide. If you go look at my comments from last fall, I was a Warren man. Go look. But around Jan, I accepted that she is not running.

                  New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                  by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:07:00 PM PDT

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        •  it also draws attention to her policy proposals (2+ / 0-)
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          and political narrative, and gets like-minded dems elected while associated with those policies and narrative.

          if she wasn't suspected of running, they would both get less attention.

          either way, run or not, it's smart politics.

      •  Massachusetts may be the big liability. LOL (1+ / 0-)
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        In the last six Presidential cycles, there have been elections in which someone who hailed from MA was at the top of the ticket  - Dukakis 88, Kerry 04, and Romney 12. They are oh for three. Black standard bearers are batting a thousand.

        In all seriousness, Dukakis, Kerry, and Romney have one thing in common other than listing MA as their home states. All three were big disappointments to their supporters in the November campaign. All three campaigns were replete with gaffs, missteps, unforced errors. There may be something about Massachusetts, or maybe New England politics that doesn't translate well into the national arena.  I think there actually is.

        In our elections, style over substance is less of a thing than it is in other parts of the country. Voters are actually interested in things like issues. Most of our politicians are not like Scott Brown - vote for me because I drive a pickup truck and have two attractive daughters. And Brown didn't last too long, did he?

        But, what the hell do I know?

        Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

        by RhodeIslandAspie on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:36:25 AM PDT

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        •  JFK though and George HW Bush (1+ / 0-)
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          came out of Massachusetts, and RFK.

          and H W Bush came from Massachusetts.

          •  Bush 41 was from Texas. Former Congressman. (1+ / 0-)
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            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:16:53 AM PDT

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            •  What does it mean to be 'from' someplace? (0+ / 0-)

              I think Warren is from Oklahoma and Romney was from out west in Ohio or some place (I kid) while Brown is certainly not from New Hampshire.

              Vai o tatu escamoso encontrar-me onde estou escondendo? Lembro-me do caminho de ouro, uma pinga de mel, meu amado Parati

              by tarkangi on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:25:06 AM PDT

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        •  The post was partly tongue and cheek. (0+ / 0-)

          I will point out that H W Bush has precious little connection to MA spending more time in CT and ME. But his political teeth were cut in Texas. Bobby was a real son of MA politics, even though his first election was as a senator from NY.

          I purposely only go back to 88, because that's when so much of the image making machine, and image destroying machine began. I date it from Lee Atwater - Vote against Dukakis, because he loved Willie Horton and hated the Flag. Vote for Bush, because he hated Willie Horton and loved the flag.  And Dukakis was like Bambi in the headlights. Kerry was the same when he was swiftboated.
          And Romney, native of Michigan, but electoral birth was MA was competent enough to win a race in MA, but was lost as sea not just in the general election, but during the primary.

          Maybe I'm a bit idealistic about New England politics, but I do believe we have fewer low info voters, and issues matter more than other parts of the country. And our guys aren't always ready for it when they get out there.

          Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

          by RhodeIslandAspie on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:19:20 PM PDT

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      •  DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? (0+ / 0-)

        I thought it pretty obvious that I was hoping someone would suggest a good quality national level progressive candidate who might announce in, say, January and who we could all be enthusiastic about supporting.

        Beyond the obvious Clinton and Warren, who in this context are simply flamebait.

        Vai o tatu escamoso encontrar-me onde estou escondendo? Lembro-me do caminho de ouro, uma pinga de mel, meu amado Parati

        by tarkangi on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:30:10 AM PDT

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    •  I'll run. (5+ / 0-)

      "Just when you think you've lost everything, you find out you can lose a little more." Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:27:49 PM PDT

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    •  Sherrod Brown. (10+ / 0-)

      A popular liberal senator from Ohio.  The electoral college would be pretty well locked down with Ohio in our pocket.

      Stupid...it's the new smart for right wingers.

      by StevenD56 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:45:34 AM PDT

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  •  Hmmm.... (21+ / 0-)
    No one my age cares enough about politics to even know who Elizabeth Warren is.
    Whoever appointed you spokesperson for your age group seems to live a sheltered political life.  

    They should get out and meet more politically engaged people.  

    "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

    by Calvino Partigiani on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:24:13 PM PDT

    •  I agree with Calvino. (16+ / 0-)

      I agree with Calvino.  

      This diary has a very disparaging attitude toward Ms. Warren, who would make a fine president.  Ms. Warren is also more in line with what the American people think than Hillary.

      •  My millennial son says he despises all (9+ / 0-)

        politicians other than Elizabeth Warren.  Many of his friends feel the same.

        So if that's the only problem, there's no problem.

        •  They(millennials) will all know who (3+ / 0-)
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          Elizabeth Warren is when they see their Student Loan Debt  reduced. What has Hillary done for the middle class or their voting age children ? 2016 is 2 years away and Elizabeth will do more things that will make her well known.

          Hillary may just not have enough on her resume to best this extraordinary public  Servant's solid progressive record.

          •  Hillary has done SCHIP. She was a major driver (5+ / 0-)

            behind establishing it and has played a significant role in expanding it.

            I give her credit for that.  It's due.

            However....that was a decade ago.  Since then, she seems to have joined herself to any banker with an open check book.

            Mostly, she's just been in the game far too long while offering far too little public criticism of how it's played for anyone to take her seriously if she tries to promote the idea of substantial or meaningful change.

            That was true in 2008 and absolutely nothing has occurred to change it.

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            by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:58:26 AM PDT

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            •  word (3+ / 0-)
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              word.

              HRC lost me when she said
              "I refuse to apologize for my Iraq vote,
              if you want an apology, get another candidate".

              Yep....

              Edwards voted for the Iraq war but gave a cogent,
              simple explanation and apology.  

              •  It made me want to vote for her. She is not a (1+ / 0-)
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                tarkangi

                spineless, mealy mouth Dem who votes "present" on tough issues.

                New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:19:25 AM PDT

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                •  you like that she was wrong and unapologetic (1+ / 0-)
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                  Portlaw

                  and a war hawk?

                  Great,  How does that seperate her from Rumsfeld?

                  •  Not all wars are avoidable, that's realism. (0+ / 0-)

                    Get off of DKos and ask around.

                    United States Senate Iraq War Resolution Vote

                    Party                      Ayes    Nays     
                    Republican                 48    1   
                    Democratic                 29    21   
                    Independent                 0    1   

                    TOTALS                    77    23   

                    I have more respect for those majority of the Dem Senate Caucus that stuck their neck out. Not a guy voting present in the state senate on tough issues.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                    by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:19:27 PM PDT

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                    •  so you love a warhawk (0+ / 0-)

                      who was wrong.

                      It's your right, but please don't act like you are smart.

                      •  I don't care about being smart, just right. (0+ / 0-)

                        I work in a field where you follow numbers. In politics, you can't always do that. When you can't, you follow your principles. On economics, they line up more with Sen. Warren. On foreign policy, more with HRC. On social issues, they are the same. Since Warren isn't running, my choice is easy.

                        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                        by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 04:01:12 PM PDT

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                      •  Look at the sig line. AlexDrew thinks actual (0+ / 0-)

                        Democrats = The TeaParty.

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                        by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:03:49 PM PDT

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                        •  Nah, Alex Drew think Schumer and Durbin need a (0+ / 0-)

                          primary. The quote is there as a reminder of what they think of progressives. From a Markos diary actually. Don't make simpleminded assumptions, just ask.

                          Go Hillary!!!

                          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                          by AlexDrew on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:51:49 PM PDT

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                •  no, she voted with the GOP (2+ / 0-)
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                  some courage there.

              •  "lobbyists are people too" was another gem n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      •  UHM? (0+ / 0-)

        I never said she wouldn't make a fabulous president? SHE WOULD. I said I agree with her 110%. That was kind of my point.

    •  She's only on TDS/Colbert about 5 times a year (2+ / 0-)
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      combined :)

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      by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:55:36 AM PDT

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    •  HRC is the candidate of the Aging boomers. (1+ / 0-)
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      she is most popular with women 60+.

      Liz Warren is very popular with millenials
      and Gen X.

      •  Link? (1+ / 0-)
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        MRA NY
        Liz Warren is very popular with millenials and Gen X.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:21:06 AM PDT

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        •  this is anecdata, but i see friends pass warren's (1+ / 0-)
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          speeches and articles about her on social media more than any other dem, by a mile. mostly gen x, then milennials and boomers in succeeding order.

          •  Anecdata? Okay. I didn't realize that we (0+ / 0-)

            could use that to state facts in the "reality based community'.

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:23:09 PM PDT

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            •  hey, at least i'm being honest about it (0+ / 0-)

              most people citing anecdotes just project them as universal facts that all decent people agree upon.

              in fact, anecdotes are a kind of data, they're just limited, biased sets of data. not useless, just limited, if acknowledged for what they are and discounted accordingly. it's not unlike polling a a specific demographic niche to know how groups of people might react to something. i didn't claim to speak for all americans, but in the circles i'm in, warren resonates surprisingly well.

              most of the time i assume my own political inclinations and obsessions aren't necessarily going to fly, so i don't tend to pass much overtly political stuff around on social media (i save it for places like dKos, where the politics-obsessed can hash things out), so i'm always curious to see what my not-overtly political friends pass on. for whatever reason, warren strikes a resonant chord with them (and lest this seem too partisan for warren, i'd say most of them are far more inclined to be charitable towards clinton than i am. clinton just doesn't say much that really moves them enough to pass on, is all).

              sorry if you just want to score points, but i'm actually trying to have a meaningful conversation here.

              •  Calm down. It's not that crucial. (0+ / 0-)

                New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                by AlexDrew on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 12:05:36 AM PDT

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    •  You're taking my thoughts the wrong way. (2+ / 0-)

      I am no spokesperson for my generation. I am nothing more than a voice for a generation. I speak on behalf of no one except myself and am only sharing my observations. This post is not to suggest that nobody who is young is not politically engaged or doesn't know who Liz Warren is. I think it's quite significant that Warrens ideas reach out to everyone. She's a brilliant woman, of course.

      The whole point behind my diary is that if Hillary comes out and says she's going to run, then you might as well give your support if you plan on voting. It's an important milestone for woman and I just don't know when another woman will get the chance that Hillary so clearly has right now. Are there other women who would make good presidents, too? Absolutely. But if Pakistan has already had a women president and we have not, then I believe it's time we finally support the women who actually seems to be running without even having to say so. I simply think it is time to put a woman in charge is all.

      Does this make sense? I hope that clarifies maybe some things... apologies for any confusion.

      I just hear far too many young people say that their vote does not count when that just isn't the case. A woman running as a definitive candidate president will likely get younger people excited to vote again. My opinion, nothing more.

      •  Thanks for your thoughtful reply. (0+ / 0-)

        Let me say that I'm not reading your thoughts one way or another, I'm reading the words you wrote.  Though I see you've changed them, though you haven't acknowledged this.

        It's actually not good form to make substantive changes to your diary in response to criticism without acknowledging those edits.  

        That being said, credit is due to you for being willing to make changes when problems are pointed out.  It's very commendable.

        But this statement in your comment is quite objectionable, in my opinion:

        The whole point behind my diary is that if Hillary comes out and says she's going to run, then you might as well give your support if you plan on voting.
        Not much in a democratic electoral system is inevitable, and I plan to exercise my right to choose a candidate I support, not one you tell me I should support.  

        "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

        by Calvino Partigiani on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:31:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  whoa (0+ / 0-)

          I don't see how I would go about acknowledging my edits every time I make them. I cannot address that to everyone and expect them to notice.

          And I have obviously needed to reword what I have said to make it more clear.

          The thing you put in the square is something I first put up and took down.. literally minutes later. Good to know you're keeping close tabs on every little word?

  •  I know the Republicans will play any despicable (8+ / 0-)

    card they can, but let's not play into their hands, hmm?

    There is absolutely no good reason why a pre-menopausal, peri-menopausal, or menopausal woman shouldn't be president.

    And it's not like making sure we nominate only post-menopausal women for high office will make them any less sexist in their attacks on her, whoever she is, so just... don't, ok?

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    by cai on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:36:29 PM PDT

    •  P.S. -- People who are afraid of what women in (5+ / 0-)

      power might do because of "hormones" are subscribing to an inherently misogynistic line of thought.

      1)  Women can be angry, or hostile, or make bad decisions at any time of the month.  Likewise, women can be intelligent, or insightful, or make good decisions at any time of the month.

      2)  Women's hormonal cycles are not inherently pathological -- they're natural and normal.

      3)  Men have hormonal cycles too -- they just run on cycles lasting minutes, not weeks.

      4)  Like men haven't made all kinds of fucked up, evil, narcissistic, and/or pissing contest decisions throughout history.

      People who actually worry about women in power because of their menstrual cycles are afraid of women, full stop.

      People who just make "jokes" about it are giving cover to those stupid gynophobic attitudes.

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      by cai on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:57:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  THis. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      ProTip - the people who like to play PVP MMORPG's often see this site as one.

      by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:59:29 AM PDT

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  •  It's not "Miss Clinton", either. (10+ / 0-)

    She has a very famous husband.  You may have heard of him.

    Secretary Clinton (her highest post) or Senator Clinton (her highest elected post) would be preferable.  Or just Ms. Clinton.

    (If she prefers Mrs. Clinton, that's also fine, of course, but I default to Ms. unless I know a woman has another preference or professional title like Dr.)

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    by cai on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:41:04 PM PDT

    •  i try to use Sec. Clinton (0+ / 0-)

      when she's not around sitting cabinet members
      otherwise Senator clinton (That's a life title).

    •  She never legally took Bill's last name.. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm being accurate.
      This is a very arbitrary thing to be bothered by.
      I'm sincerely sorry it bothered you personally, but I doubt Hillary will be offended by my informality, thank you.

      •  You can legally take a name by using it in many (0+ / 0-)

        places, and she's been using his name decades.

        Miss is diminutive and defines women by their (single) marital status.  I also think Mrs. defines women by their (married) marital status, which is ridiculous (we'd never do that to men), and so I don't use it unless somebody uses it about themselves first.

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        by cai on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 12:19:12 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You need real problems in your life. (0+ / 0-)

          Sheesh.

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:54:13 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Pie (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calvino Partigiani, Rashaverak, CwV

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:44:07 PM PDT

  •  Let's remember what 'swag' stands for, (3+ / 0-)

    Shit We All Give (Away).

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
    This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

    by MTmofo on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 10:53:34 PM PDT

  •  She's Already Running.... (11+ / 0-)

    And....she's been planning this run since 2008 when Barack Obama barely beat her.  She's had years & years to formulate a game plan.  Imagine the pillow talk between Bill & Hillary right about  now.  Imagine the excitement.....they'll be back in the WH again.  

    And....Hillary's not going to be in the mood to take any shit from the Republican party.  If I were her w/ her history, I'd
    take them out @ the knees without a second glance or a second thought.

    Mow....them.....down.  

    •  One of the reasons I'd love to see her win (6+ / 0-)

      is that she'd be better prepared for GOP opposition than Obama was. Obama came into office believing that he could work with reasonable Republicans. As if there was such a thing anymore, right?
      Hillary has no such illusions.
      And with Bill standing with her, she's got an institutional memory that can be brought down hard on the bas+ards.
      It will be highly entertaining to see, 'specially if we can give her a Dem-controlled Congress, the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the impotent minority!
      I look forward to the apoplexy and angst on the Right.
      Though I worry that escalation from where we are right now, can only be to up that actual violence level.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:47:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  and yet she has no message. (2+ / 0-)
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      5 years and what's her message?

      What's her theme?

      Oh, right 'Inevitable".

      Right, didn't that work in 2008?

      •  Okay, who ya got that's going to beat her? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        MajerliActually

        Our bench is non-existent.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:27:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  you must not have read my comment (0+ / 0-)

          i rattled off some 20 women candidates alone.

          now who is going to beat HRC?

          Liz Warren if she wants to.

          she can do the Obama strategy, run the caucuses
          and on super tuesday show that HRC is
          not Inevitable but rather very evitable.

          •  Reaching huh? HRC will not be caught off guard (0+ / 0-)

            by the caucus strategy again. Take three minutes and look up "Ready for Hillary" and look at the organizing that is going on.

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:26:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  so what's HRC's message? (0+ / 0-)

          Hope and Change?
          Less drama then Bill?
          I'm 8 years older?
          Cut taxes on capital Gains?
          Healthcare Reform?
          More wars in the middle east?
          I'm mean enough to wrestle putin?
          I love bankers?

          •  Competence. Confidence. Backbone. Adult. (0+ / 0-)

            Taking responsibility for her actions. Beating the GOP instead of whining about them.

            She is not a progressive, which means she doesn't have to cater to us. She warned us about BHO's soothing words, remember?

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 04:44:17 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Mitt Romney warned us also (0+ / 0-)

              doesn't mean i wanted to vote for him.

              •  Very telling that you had to reach across (0+ / 0-)

                the aisle to make your point. You guys are going be very angry for eight years of your life. SMH.

                New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                by AlexDrew on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 12:02:13 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  HRC didn't like Obama (0+ / 0-)

                  no surprise, he was drinking her milkshake.

                  What do you think HRC would have done differently
                  from 2009 to today from President Obama?

                  Would she have pushed Single payer healthcare?

                  Would she have pushed to raise the estate tax?

                  Would she have pushed for Tobin taxes on finance?

                  Would she have pushed to raise capital gains taxes?

                  How about pulling out of Iraq? Or surging in Afghanistan?

                  How about NSA Wiretapping of american citizens?

                  How about Drone strikes?

                  Kill list?

                  TSA?

                  •  Where is this coming from? What comment are (0+ / 0-)

                    you responding to? Are you coming unhinged?

                    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                    by AlexDrew on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:14:43 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

  •  I think that Elizabeth Warren (10+ / 0-)

    should run. she is a populist, with proven credentials as to the well being of the middle class, and the protection of consumers from the abuses of corporate America. To this date Mrs. clintons hawkishness troubles me and her  DLC credentials are not a source of comfort for the progressive wing of the Democrats,.Lets face it: If Mrs. Warren competes on a primary and beats Mrs. Clinton  she will gain the national recognition to beat any of the Republican lightweight extremists that are going to populate the Republican field. If Mrs Clinton wins the primary she will have convinced the progressive Democrats of her good intentions, therefore benefiting her cause. Any one of these two ladies can whip the pants of any of the Republican aspiring to run this time .

    •  I doubt E Warren would run unless (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      patbahn, AlexDrew, tarkangi

      Hillary decides not to.
      Yes, I would vote for her, work for her campaign, practically walk through fire for her, but I don't think it's a probability.
      Meanwhile I think she really is in the best possible spot for someone of her proclivities and credentials: fighting for us in the Legislative branch.
      Now if we can give her a majority of allies in both houses, her potential will be maximized.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:51:35 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Opalese. nt (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calvino Partigiani

    Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

    by Bob Love on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:20:03 PM PDT

  •  Good point - It's all about the swag ! (5+ / 0-)

    So as the spokesperson of your generation, how much can we expect your tribe to kick in, and after Miss Clinton is elected, what do you want for your bling?

    Because, actually, I'm probably somewhere between your age and Clinton's and I'm wondering how these agenda's fit because her politics are soooo last century.

    Please, let's be honest, most of he swag comes from Wall Street, so what are you expecting?

    No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

    by koNko on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:39:02 AM PDT

    •  Nah - It's all about the HCR menstrual cycle (0+ / 0-)

      on a Saturday morning dailykos diary. Gasp, gulp, yack.

      We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

      by mimi on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:21:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      AlexDrew, JamieG from Md

      Calm down.
      Excuse me, no one told me how sensitive you were to the soft use of slang.
      She was a Senator from New York so of course she has ties with wall street, we already know that.
      Since you're just SO interested in what I am expecting at this point, I expect that she is going to run and I expect that by the end of all the debate, democrats will vote for her because if we want a woman president, now is the time. As I said, I would also take her over anyone in the Republican party at this point. Wouldn't most of us?

      You guys are really taking this weird. I am ONE young voice, sharing my perspective. Everyone here is currently sharing there personal views, as well, so there really isn't a need to stress over a word.

      •  They are seething because they know deep (0+ / 0-)

        down that HRC will be the only credible Dem in the primary. The 8%'ers are taking it out on anyone who writes a favorable diary about her.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:30:49 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I like your writing style Majerli. nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  My problem with Clinton (12+ / 0-)

    Has nothing to do with the hardware between her legs.

    It is that she is another pro corporate Neo-Liberal.  No thank you.

    "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

    by blackhand on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:08:38 AM PDT

  •  Oy . . . (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CwV, Portlaw, MajerliActually

    I think it might be just a tad more productive to focus on 2014 and keeping the Senate.

  •  I have problems with Clinton as well (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JWC, dfarrah, AlexDrew

    But they are no worse than the very same problems I have with Barack Obama. They are both too beholden to corporate interests, both too hawkish, and both far too conservative for my liking but while Obama didn't represent the possible establishment of a "dynasty", the fact remains that Mrs. Clinton is far more likely to stand up to the Republicans than Obama has ever been shown to be, with a proven track record in that regard. All other things being equal, anybody who supports Obama but not Hillary Clinton is just exercising their irrational hatred of her. Nothing more, nothing less.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:45:10 AM PDT

    •  Clintons recent efforts to distinguish herself (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Portlaw, dfarrah

      from President Obama by way of showing us her hawkish talons and beak have come very close to making me feel alright with myself for having donated to, volunteered for, and voted for President Obama.

      If she were President, we'd be at war in Syria and possibly Iran.

      While I don't expect much difference in many other ways, that alone is enough.

      ProTip - the people who like to play PVP MMORPG's often see this site as one.

      by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:03:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Margaret, that is the question I keep asking. (0+ / 0-)

      Why the purity litmus test now? Why with her? Apparently, BHO was known "neoliberal" by 2012, yet no litmus test.

      Hillary Derangement Syndrome. So sad.

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:36:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, candidate (0+ / 0-)

        BO talked about "change."  Unfortunately, dems believed him.

        But it's not as if anything vastly different would have happened had HRC won instead of BO.

        So, now we see a chance to try for some change again-which is hardly likely to work, given the neoliberal stranglehold on the dems.

        Aside from being completely captured by the neolibs, dems are simply too failure oriented to believe that there are other dems out there who could be viable candidates - even though we nominated a virtual unknown with BO.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:32:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Meanwhile, Warren is in the news getting suppor... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Portlaw

    Meanwhile, Warren is in the news getting support from president Obama (who also was not widely known) for helping who? College students... I beleive her to be more well known than you think.. the lack of enthusiasm for Hillary among some cannot be ignored...

    •  Sigh. (0+ / 0-)

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:37:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  If somebody this age that age or the (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    AlexDrew

    other age doesn't know who Elizabeth Warren is, I would suggest that that somebody do a bit more reading on current events.  

    People of various ages in Massachusetts know who she is.  Some of us in other states do too.  And we like what we see.  

    - - - - -

    Hillary Clinton is well positioned to win our nomination if she wants it.  I'd love to see her bring her high profile and impressive contacts list to bear on many many many 2014 races up and down the ballot.  

    She's very famous.  She could help make the Congress more blue.  

    "How can we know the dancer from the dance?" (Yeats)

    by Remediator on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:37:14 AM PDT

  •  I love the smell ofa good pie fight in the morning (0+ / 0-)

    We'll no doubt be arguing over 'dynasty', 'neo-liberal', 'beholding to Wall Street' all the way through January 2017. I just hope that come January 2017 we'll be saying 'Madam President', whether her first name is Hillary, Elizabeth, Kirsten, or whatever.

    David Koch, a teacher and a Tea Partier sit down a table with a plate of a dozen cookies. Koch quickly stuffs 11 cookies in his pockets, leans to the bagger and says "watch out, the union thug will try to steal your cookie".

    by Dave in AZ on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:56:21 AM PDT

  •  Let's please be honest. Jimmy Carter was the last (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dfarrah, schumann, wu ming, Portlaw

    Democrat to win the Presidency without really connecting at an emotional level with young voters.

    And we could have run "Potato with a mustache" that year and won.

    We must be realistic about this.  Desperately clinging to 24 year old paradigms and running the same campaign for decades is how you lose a general election.  Or, did the 80's just not happen?

    Unless the next Democrat can offer real change and dramatic improvement in the lives of poor and working people, she's going to lose.  Not because people will vote for the Republican in droves, but because our badly disillusioned voters will not turn out.

    We saw the turnout percentages DLC/New Democrat Clintons managed in the 90's.  Those won't cut it now.  You might as well hand the keys to 1600 Penn. to the RNC.

    ProTip - the people who like to play PVP MMORPG's often see this site as one.

    by JesseCW on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:49:26 AM PDT

  •  The word SWAG (0+ / 0-)

    stood for Shit We All Get.

    Well, I didn't get any.

    "Inevitability" diminishes free will and replaces it with self-fulfilling prophecies."--Geenius At Wrok

    by lunachickie on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:07:08 AM PDT

  •  Nice to know that you think people (0+ / 0-)

    your age are so important in the electoral process, when your demographic is considered one of the more unreliable voting groups.

    And people your age have heard of HRC.  Well, don't that beat all?

    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:08:50 AM PDT

    •  wait, what? (0+ / 0-)

      This cannot be a serious remark. Young people are extremely important to the electoral process because not enough of us vote as it is! We're the future, man!
      You can say what you want about my "demographic" but the demographic of people that actually go out to vote are older people who usually tend to lean to the right. As if that isn't obvious.
      If you would prefer that the older demographic remain the majority that actually takes place in our democracy, then you are absolutely right, young people are very unimportant as you suggest.

  •  I was an early supporter of Hillary in 08. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    I liked Obama very much, but I didn't see him as having the experience, and feared that in his idealism, he might be naive on just how nasty the Republican opposition could be. I had no such fear with Hillary - the GOP had given her quite a political education during her husband's two terms.

    I watched Hillary self-destruct when in response to the rise of Obama, she and her husband both turned quite nasty, coming quite close to, or perhaps actually playing, the race card. I knew at that point that if she somehow saved her campaign, she had damaged her bridges to the African-American community, and it would be difficult to motivate them to get out and vote for her. That meant Obama was our only hope to get back the White House. So I flipped just in time to cast my vote for him in the RI primary.

    My fears of Obama's naivete towards the GOP was well founded. It's took him a while to realize what he was up against, and lost precious time. Hillary would not have had to climb the same learning curve, but she has herself and Bill to blame for at least part of the reason she is not President today.

    Once again, I do see her as our best hope to hold on to the White House. I'm willing to stand with her if she has learned some lessons from the 08 campaign. I'm still open to other choices but she's the one until I see a reason to support someone else.

    Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

    by RhodeIslandAspie on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 08:50:53 AM PDT

  •  any dem woman could win in 2016 (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    and certainly with less pain and misery then
    HRC would bring to the table.

    Seriously, she starts with both high approval and high negatives. so she's much like an incumbent sitting at 46.
    Yeah that's a good number for a challenger, but a crappy
    one for an incumbent.

    She has 90% name recognition, so, it's not like she's an unknown.  

    So it's going to be all walking around money, bag men,
    massive media buys, all to get 5%.  If you remember Daschles last race in 2004, that's the game.

    But look at the GOP bench, they start with high negatives
    and low approvals.  the Generic GOP starts with a 30% approval, and a fractured party and no message.

    What's the GOP Message?  Lets cut taxes?  Wow, that's going well.  Lets cut regulations?  Sure the people in West, Texas and Charleston WVa will be on board for that.  Immigrant bashing?  Women bashing?  

    Now I happen to be  afan of senator warren, but let's look at the dem bench.  You could run gregoire, you could run shaheen, hassan, granholm, perdue, napolitano,

    who can they run as a woman and make it through the primaries? Palin? Fallin?  Martinez and Halley would get ripped to shreds by their own party.  

    if you look at the senate, you see a lot of
    people Murray, Landrieu, Cantwell, Stabenow, Klobuchar, McCaskill, shaheen, hagan, gillibrand, baldwin, heitkamp, hirono and warren.

    what does the GOP have?

    Snowe? Collins? Murkowski? Dole?Ayotte? Fischer?

    Now I don't want to pick candidates out of this pool but just the women dems are a formidable bunch.  Gregoire? old but proven, Shaheen, in NH, a key state, Granholm, able to sell in the midwest. Perdue, able to sell in the south, Napolitano, able to sell in the southwest.  Murray, again proven, Landrieu able to sell in the south. Hagan, able to sell in the south. Gillibrand, starts with NY in her pocket.  Baldwin, able to sell in the midwest.

    seriously, you don't think Liz Warren couldn't make a McCain style, straight talk express run across new england?
    You don't think she could do with a partner such as Webb
    or Hagan or Gillibrand?  Heck, she could team with Boxer or Feinstein, she could team with Hilda Solis or even
    pull a woman out of industry, say a marissa mayer or
    gini rometty, ursula burns, sheryl sandberg,

    how about even a female General such as
    Anne Dunwoody, terry Gambreski, susan helms, michelle howard, leslie kenne, connie mariano, carol pottenger,

    Jeez,  the dem bench is pretty good even before you start
    widening the field

    and i'm not even talking female celebrities (Actresses, singers, entertainers,), Astronauts (Susan Helms aside),
    or distinguished women in science, medicine, law, judges.

    I don't think Secretary Clinton is the only possible woman who could ever win, I think Secretary Clinton would not be the best candidate to field in 2016.

    She had her shot in 2008, took hundreds of millions from wall street, and she is taking a lot from wall street even now.

    Secretary clinton is selling dated concepts from the 90s and we are in the 21st century.

    •  LOL!!!! (0+ / 0-)

      You could run gregoire, you could run shaheen, hassan, granholm, perdue, napolitano,

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:41:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  any of them could beat Cruz, rubio or Jeb Bush. (0+ / 0-)

        What's the GOP bench?

        Romney?
        McCain?
        Palin?
        Cain?
        Trump?

        Santorum?
        Gingrich?
        Rand Paul?

        Perry?
        Bachmann?
        Huntsman?

        You think Boehner could win anything?
        McConnel?

        Who does the GOP have in the senate?

        Who does the GOP have in the statehouses?

        They could try Haley or Martinez,  they could try
        Perry again.  Perhaps Walker or Scott. You think
        Brewer could last 6 months under the lights?
        You think Jindall could go anywhere?

        the GOP bench is really sad.

        •  Wrong. Both benches are sad. It will be (0+ / 0-)

          Clinton vs Bush. You Dem list is just as sad as this one, but because you agree with them and hate HRC so much, you don't see it. Give it up, HRC is the nominee. You are embarrassing yourself and the other Kos 8%'ers.

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:04:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  i would really like to see kamala harris run (0+ / 0-)

      but i think that's going to have to wait a few presidential election cycles, and possibly a stint in the senate or statehouse.

  •  I admire HRC (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    MajerliActually

    she's managed to be inevitable over and over again

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 03:40:31 PM PDT

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