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It is hard to say exactly why I am here in a brief manner. However, we are in need of guidance and support and need support from people who have kind and understanding hearts and patience.
We are caught in the weirdest situation that seems to be spiraling and many believe the most recent events have clarified we are living in harms way.
We share a road to our home with a neighbor who has harassed and stalked us for years . We believe our police are bias in enforceing the law, We live in rural Pennsylvania. We are a Gay Senior Couple. It is a very disturbing situation. We have real bullet holes in our property that the police , for some reason, will not investigate which is alarming because we believe that our neighbor is responsible for the bullet holes and we know why they are there and when they were put there. There are many events and stalking harassment that is alarming.
However, on May 11, 2014, we discovered 25 menacing, alarming vandalism and disturbing chalk drawings/taunts on the share drive to our home. We paid for the paving of this road on this property where the vandalism occurred. The taunts are directly related to us. There are 2 very disturbing chalk outlines of bodies, the kind everyone is familiar with that are similar to what are left to outline dead bodies at crimes scenes. Preceding those body out lines is the message, "gun fire ahead". Near by is a drawing in chalk on the macadam of what looks like 2 bodies intertwined that could be having sex- looks like anal sex. There is the taunt/threat "saddle up Sally". and the alarming phrase of "2 senior stalkers live here". Which is very disturbing. The whole graphic event is very manic-very Manson familyesk- there were 25 in all. Our Police acted like this is joke and have played games with us for years in trying to get these criminal held accountable for their stalking. We heard the police roaring laughter when they visited the neighbor responsible to question them. There are Pentagrams and other images and words meant to be disturbing. The taunts are mockingly specific to us and have inside meaning. In the report from the police, it claims that the neighbors, family, friends and KIDS were "just having a good time". Having a good time harassing a senior gay couple?
Then on June 2, 2014 we discover many, about 25 different manic icons that, after doing some research, we have been informed they are very much liked to Black Magic. We had thought that these people called themselves wiccans but we have been told otherwise after researching. The images , we have been told and not wishing us well and many deal with "ending" , that coded message can be taken in many ways. One of the people who believes they are threatening is a Psychiatric nurse who was very alarmed not so much but the messages but what disturbed people would actually do something like this. We expect to find more messages tomorrow  morning.
Many people have seen the documentation of these menacing taunts and are very concerned for our safety, we are. But no one wants to stand with us for resolve which concerns us more. Right now as I am writing this diary on June, 7,  2014, they have made what we call their "Hoodoo Fire". They makes these bonfires that are placed so they can sit by the fire for HOURS and stare at our home. If we go outside on our porch we have heard them should "we can see you" and our names. Being stalked is no picnic. However, we believe the police indifference has emboldened these people and many are concerned as to how far they will go.
Any suggestion? We will not move. The above was posted on June 7, 2014


Below was posted on J
june 8, 2014
As I mentioned in last nights post we suspected more graffiti. Here are some photos. The police were snickering this morning when they were told to leave. We called to document it and they were blowing smoke, a game they play, and I ask the to leave. This incidence had more that 100 icons of sort. we stopped counting at 100.

Yes, we have excellent documentation that no one in Law enforcement wants to see.

Originally posted to Jerry Kott on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:00 AM PDT.

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  •  I'm sorry you've learned some truth about (7+ / 0-)

    America in such a very bad way. Almost all of us believe that laws are enforced by the people we've hired and elected to enforce them. The sad fact that you've discovered is that this is not the truth at all.

    Laws are enforced under two conditions; a complaint is made and the enforcement doesn't hurt anyone that matters, and when someone that matters is or might be effected by that crime. Your neighbor obviously matters in your community more than you do.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:11:58 AM PDT

    •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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      However, I am confused by your response

      •  You should be, I shouldn't have replied as I (0+ / 0-)

        didn't have the time to write it out so that people that don't live in my head could understand what I was talking about.

        Your story is similar to what I went through a few years ago and I just knew I'd lose your diary if I didn't reply right then, but I didn't have the time to do it right.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

        by Greyhound on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:14:35 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

          So you have been to the same mountain! I understand the game but through persisted digging, the police are not going to fall on their sword for this neighbor. There is even a bigger back ground story of us discovering local township road crews doing work on private property on weekends. We have documentation. However the local government has ignored many e-mails to bring this matter into the light.
          I do understand the reality that Police are more interested in keeping their jobs than doing their jobs. However, we just need to get the dominos to start to fall.
          There have been 3 graffiti assaults to our property in 30 days and the police obviously haven't even warned this neighbor. On the second visit to report the harassment , the police inferred that  this is a waste of their resource.

          We do want the neighbor to explain to a jury what all the messages mean especially "saddle up sally" and 2 senior stalkers live here".

          The last stalking graffiti event was astounding in it's scope. As I have said, we stopped counting after 100 manic cryptic symbols that go one for about 60 feet. It has a Manson Family like aura, very helter skelter.
          Thanks for your contribution

    •  In fact as I am sure you know, this is a tiny part (0+ / 0-)

      of America.  But rural police can be prejudiced if their friends are doing the crime.  
      In CT or ME, if rural local police were prejudiced, I learned to contact state police, who are very much better trained and more professional than most local police.  
      Also focus on bullet holes and bullets - perhaps hire a private expert who is trusted by police to find the bullets that made the holes, and analyze where they came from.  Bullets often have markings that id the barrel and the gun that shot them.  

      What do your nasty neighbors want?  Your land?  Have a geologist check and see if your land contains something valuable.  Or is it a location about to see political developments that make it valuable?  

      Or are they prejudiced against gays?  Presumably they are also white racists?  If you have to sell, find a black panther group or hispanic militia or asian gang or other group that can and will defend themselves. Offer them your place at a big discount!

      •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

        It is one of those "whose your daddy" situations. The region is changing but the home boys and girl can't process that it isn't grandpa world anymore. This week I made a lot of noise on the state level. Last sunday, I invited by phone our state rep to visit our home to see first hand the circumstance. He left a phone message this week. When people see the circumstances,  they say they understand.

        Our neighbor want us to give up our legal right to use the shared road and spend the money to put in our own road. Why should we ? It has been there for 200 years. And as Gay men we believe they thought we were an easy mark and kowtow. Our taking a stand to him has publicly humiliated him because we have stood up to him, that is why we have the bullet holes. If we did give up the road, we would still share the same property lines. We share property lines with 7 different neighbors. One thing that we believe is that many of the so called men in the hood, can't seem to process that 2 old gay men own the most land in our region. Size is everything. That may be a factor put the reality that we lived in NYC for years and these home boys want to teach us a lesson as to where we stand on their food chain.

        We have toyed with all sorts of events but it is fascinating to watch people dig their own graves. Revenge doesn't appeal to me. Our simply breathing sets him off. His father's revenge for us was the truth that we tossed him out of our home decades ago because he wanted to sleep with us. We believed the father was Gay and was seriously pissed because he couldn't get into our pants and we rejected his affection. We were toying with the idea of having a Christian Minster Bless the road in a very Public Ceremony.

        You can't make this shit up. The truth is always stranger than fiction.

  •  Department of Justice is your next step (9+ / 0-)

    I think.

  •  You deserve better law enforcement support (8+ / 0-)

    but even if your local cops were doing all they could, the situation of living next to rural neighbors who are crazy, hate-filled, and actively targeting you, strikes me as a somewhat intractable one.

    If it were me, I would move.  Seriously.  Though the injustice is an outrage, and I'm sure you hate to let them "win", it's not worth your safety or your peace of mind.  Be where you can breathe freely and celebrate life.  A state of seige is no way to live.  Please be good to yourselves and don't let this struggle take up your horizons.  Get away from it.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:15:11 AM PDT

  •  Yes, I was just typing, DOJ, FBI, local, regional, (11+ / 0-)

    and state Attorney General's office, media, Southern Poverty Law center on hate crimes.

    Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited. Artistic License - 420420

    by HoundDog on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:15:27 AM PDT

    •  Also media. Depending on how complicit/sympathetic (6+ / 0-)

      the local police are, there may be some danger of reprisals. However, it they are not directly involved there may be a chance that if they start getting phone calls from or LEOs and or media, investigative reporters saying they are doing a story on the allegation of hate crimes going on at, xxxx, they may realize this is not a harmless joke, and there could be major repercussions for them if something were to happen to you, and they had failed to act to protect you.

      But, a lgmcp implies, the dicey part of the strategy is that if the local police does respond and they go tell these people to cool it because they are getting hassled by the state AGs office, or FBI, it is impossible to predict if one of the people harassing you doesn't escalate.

      So, I can't give you any advice not knowing the situation.

      How difficult would it be to move? If you could get fair price for you place and find a safer community to live in you might be better off.

      May I ask what part of rural PA you live in?

      They may be other places you could be a lot happier, safer, and accepted?

      Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited. Artistic License - 420420

      by HoundDog on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:25:12 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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        fabucat, Mannie

        We live in the Lehigh Valley. I am use to adversity as an Artist but this is plain wrong. The police are indifferent to this challenge but there may be a bigger story unfolding. When the dominos start to fall, no one is going to fall on their sword for our neighbor.

    •  Thanks (3+ / 0-)
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      marykk, fabucat, Mannie

      Today, I accidently got in touch with someone who made some contacts that may bring resolve. My life has been filled with good accidents where an obstacle became an opportunity. We will see.

  •  Also repubished in LGBT Kossacks. (6+ / 0-)

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    by HoundDog on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:15:54 AM PDT

  •  Film the harrassement (6+ / 0-)

    Then you have documented evidence of what is going on.

    On November 6, 2012, Mitt Romney finally convinced the 47% to take "personal responsibility and care for their lives"...and another 4% more agreed with them.

    by nmjardine on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:17:35 AM PDT

  •  put video cameras on your property along (7+ / 0-)

    with motion lights and video tape them doing the things they
    are doing.  Sadly, without proof, it's your word against theirs.
    I have some friends that were going through the
    same thing and when they had video proof they
    were able to press charges and get the offenders
    punished.  It also stopped all of the crap that
    was going on immediately.  

    When you have proof, go the the state/federal
    agencies and not the local agencies.  

    "It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment." *Ansel Adams* ."Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."*Will Rogers*

    by Statusquomustgo on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:20:35 AM PDT

    •  sorry this is happening... I wish you luck... (3+ / 0-)
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      doroma, FloridaSNMOM, Mannie

      "It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment." *Ansel Adams* ."Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."*Will Rogers*

      by Statusquomustgo on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:21:13 AM PDT

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    •  Wirleess webcam sets are relatively inexpensive (4+ / 0-)

      Depending on what model you get, they may even beam their footage to the cloud or to a central storage device so that destruction of the camera unit doesn't destroy the footage.  (Local mini-hard-drive models are cheaper, though.)  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:23:43 AM PDT

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    •  Bullets (5+ / 0-)

      They went somewhere.

      I would be seeing if the policed their brass.

      But if you find it take pictures of it and make sure at least one copy of the photoset is off your property and not in your possession. Do not tell local law enforcement. And absolutely do not touch them unless they are in a road or trail. Then use a ziplock bag to pick them up and store them. Off property as well.


      •  Thanks (3+ / 0-)

        There is an entry and exit bullet holes so it isn't a challenge to establish the trajectory. We know when the gun was fire, it was a 22 riffle, the time it was done and why it was done at night. This person has liked to park his ATV on the shared road to harass us. He was forced to move it on a rainy cold saturday night. He was waiting on his porch for us to confront him and we did. We  Later we heard tha gun shot and later discovered what he was shooting at. We may have other bullet holes in our property that have not been discovered. Recently we have been finding small stones on our deck and porch and we once found a large steel ball bearing. We believe someone is use a sling shot. We hear things hit the house at night but we don't go out to investigate it.

        We make cds of major events and keep them off the property

    •  They have admitted it to the police (2+ / 0-)
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      Statusquomustgo, Mannie

      The report of the May 11, Mother's Day graffiti states that the neighbors, family and friends and kids were "just having a good time". So they are admitting to the menacing graffiti. There are 2 chalk outlines of body outline forms similar to what many believe are left a crimes scenes by coroners. Predeeding those body forms is the statement " gun fire ahead". And near by there are chalk drawings of 2 intertwining body forms that appear to be ahing anal sex. And the statement of "2 senior stalkers live here" is alarming ans specific to us. " "Saddle Up Sally "is gay specific.

      We have a very good motion activated video security system but it has a specific range. I wear a Looxcie when I walk to my mailbox to get our mail and have captured events.
      As I said earlier, this challenge is for the Big Boys to resolve. These people admit to the graffiti . They are into some sort of Black Magic thing and many of the icons and symbols are Pentagrams and a range of icons that appear menacing.

      We document, we document and then we document.

    •  Not motion lights (0+ / 0-)

      Infrared digital game cams with motion triggers are more subtle.  Several fellow country-folk have them just to find out what kind of critters visit their property at night. They've caught pics of deer, bobcats, many turkeys, etc.  If there are trees near the property line, they mount very unobtrusively.  I think they are in the $50-70 range and run on batteries.

      I am so sorry this is happening to you.  

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 07:41:26 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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        We discovered them years ago and we . Someone was going in our mail box next to the township road. A long story, we put a wildlife camera in the mailbox to deter the person (guess who) we believe was opening our mail box, day and night.  We were missing mail also. Well, the camera was stolen. And as usual the police report of the crime doesn't even interview the prime suspect.
        We recently purchased 2 new cameras and have them placed where the road crossed the property line. We have an excellent motion activate video security system that gives us peace of mind. One of the new wildlife cameras even records sound. You have to pay a little more. The low end aren't reliable. They know where they are. However, nothing will record anyone standing out of range and shooting at our home region.

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    lgmcp just to add some activity, in the hopes that someone who has a better clue than I do can give advice.

    Is confrontation possible?  If this is their idea of a joke, then there is much to be said for making them meet your eyes and know that even though you're scared shitless, you're not a very fun target.  Even if it goes badly, it would alter the dynamic.  I say this as a transsexual woman who transitioned almost two decades ago.  It is easier to bully an idea than another mortal soul who has met you.  Even if every word from their mouth is an insult, a human life and human pain weigh differently when there is a name and a voice and a question to go with.

    And if meeting them doesn't work...

    Lots of people where I grew up would recommend a 20 gauge with rock salt.  The problem with that is it takes a fine eye to distinguish between a kid with their butt full of salt and a dead kid.  But you can always shoot out the ceiling, and in some circumstances it is wise to have the option (I say this as someone is who not RBKA in any way -- for some situations it is the tool for the job, god help us all).  

    Whatever you do, I hope you find a way to take back agency and not live in fear.  There is little worse.

    Best thoughts and hoping someone with legal chops hits this diary.

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:31:41 AM PDT

    •  No way (4+ / 0-)
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      fabucat, jessical, EquityRoy, Mannie

      3 years ago we invited these people to sit down with a licensed Mediator and they refuse to go. We were hoping to defuse the harassment.
      We don't think it is wise to dance with a sociopath, who drinks, is angry and has no coping skills and like guns. We suspect the reality that 2 gay seniors have stood up to this person has rattled his perception of his manhood.

  •  Get this on video and send it to national media. (4+ / 0-)
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    sfbob, jessical, fabucat, Mannie

    That might get some action if the local police department is not responding. I am sorry this is happening to you and yours.

  •  One possible thought (2+ / 0-)
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    fabucat, Mannie

    If you are both senior citizens then you could attempt to have your locality intervene based on a claim of elder abuse.

    If you can find away to document what's going on then perhaps you can go to court to obtain a restraining order, and keep on applying pressure until the situation hurts the neighbors more than it hurts you. I realize it unfortunately may end up being very costly to get yourselves the protection you need.

    This must be horrible for you; I only wish there was something more concrete I could do by way of support.

  •  Remind the DOJ that what the police are doing (3+ / 0-)
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    fabucat, Mannie, Woody

    Is a hate crime in itself.

    •  That is what we are working on. (2+ / 0-)
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      fabucat, Mannie

      Being that "saddle up Sally" can be interpreted as a Gay threat. His malice for us standing up to him is astounding. Everyone should know that these crimes are always committed by COWARDS. He actually sits in the dark next to the shared road and waits for me to leave to pick up my partner from his commute. We just need people to stand with us and that has been a challenge.

  •  pennsyltucky (0+ / 0-)

    the huge bonfires-generally skids and gas; the drunken "hijinks" central PA and the cops are of the same breed. Go to your state reps office and the DA. You'll probably have to go several times but in each case professional with a hint of money-its an election year and the idiots don't have money to donate, maybe you don't either but they don't know that. A private investigator is an option. Do you really want to live around these people?

    •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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      fabucat, Mannie

      They are into some sort of Black Magic sort of witchcraft and we suspect the sitting by the fire staring at our hose is some sort of spell thing. many of the symbols drawn on the drive have Black Magic origins. I was told 31 years ago when we bough our home that the Police forces are made up of ex high school players with chips on their shoulders. I have been trying the local rep thing. The Gay thing scares the shit out of them. Being Gay isn't contagious but hate is. Hate doesn't live in a vacuum. The DA , we believe has been indifferent.

      •  Jerry, have you contact AARP legal dept.? (1+ / 0-)
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        Don't know their stance on LGBT issues, but they've helped some seniors I know.

        Also Human Rights Campaign Fund.  I'm sorry you're going through this terrorism.

        •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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          EquityRoy, Mannie

          I don't want to admit how we have tried and who was indifferent on a public internet space but is is disappointed who have turned their heads- it would stun you. It shouldn't be this much of a challenge for anyone. We have tried, yes we have. My concern is that many don't realize how vulnerable they are to being caught in similar circumstance. If they did they would be more concerned .

  •  Shared via Twitter and Facebook (1+ / 0-)
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    Used #EdShow as a hashtag along with the obvious #lgbt Hang in there, brothers!

  •  I am so glad you were finally able to (1+ / 0-)
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    post this here. You have been very patiently waiting over the week end.

    There are no rules, only the illusion of rules.

    by Drewid on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:48:43 PM PDT

  •  Invite friends to a picnic at your place (0+ / 0-)

    If enuff members of the Dykes on Bikes showed up, that might get some attention. (They could bring along friendly male bikers too.)

    Could you get your hands on a few BBQ grills and lots of picnic tables if the nice motorcyclists accept your invitation?

    Lehigh Valley ain't far from NYC and Philly. Dykes on Bikes claims 22 chapters.

    •  Food for thought? (2+ / 0-)
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      belinda ridgewood, Woody

      People have also suggested Pink Pistols which does have a chapter near Philly. It is astounding what caricatures of men many of these adversaries are. When our neighbor is alone he cowers. But what is disturbing is that has now making us aware that he is wearing a holster with a pistol in it. He has posed next to the road to show it off.
      Then again being a Gay male, if I did what he has done, I would be in prison.

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