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Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
Republicans seem determined to ride their condemnation of the Bergdahl prisoner swap as if it's the next IRS, Benghazi and/or secret government plan to hoard ammunition so that true patriots can't get any. I'm not sure anything Secretary of Defense and former Republican Senator Chuck Hagel can say to talk them out of it, but kudos for trying.
“We made the right decision, and we did it for the right reasons — to bring home one of our people,” Hagel said at the first public hearing on the Bergdahl swap. “War is a dirty business. And we don’t like to deal with those realities, but realities they are.”
Republicans are particularly upset that the military did not inform Republican congressional representatives of the prisoner exchange in sufficient time for House Republicans to leak it and botch the whole thing. The House Republicans, realizing the danger it would put a POW in, wouldn't have leaked it? Yeah, I don't think even other Republicans can say that with a straight face anymore.
[House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon] said his committee is launching an investigation into the swap that will look at the larger implications as well as the decision to ignore the 30-day notification requirement, included in the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act.
They've bypassed Darrell Issa's regular clown show on that one, too? I can't imagine how pissed off he is right now.

In more bipartisan news, two Republicans and two Democrats say they will be introducing a resolution explicitly condemning Obama for the exchange that released Bergdahl.

Reps. Scott Rigell (R-Va.), Reid Ribble (R-Wis.), John Barrow (D-Ga.) and Nick Rahall (D-W. Va.) plan to introduce the resolution later Wednesday, according to a statement obtained first by The Washington Post and aides familiar with their plans. [...]

But the resolution should prove popular with Americans: A majority disapprove of the deal that freed Bergdahl from his Taliban captors, and nearly three-quarters think he should face criminal charges if he deserted his unit, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

POW exchanges are now condemnable actions, and a majority of Americans think we should have left Bergdahl there because some television blowhard said maybe he deserves it, and so that we can keep our own prisoners indefinitely. Every time you think the country can't get more nuts, or more partisan, or more outright bloodthirsty, it seems something pops up to prove us all wrong. Jeebus, people.

Originally posted to Hunter on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:09 PM PDT.

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  •  If it were a Republican (29+ / 0-)

    President who made this trade, there'd be calls for making it a national holiday.

    Instead, the family gets death threats and we have Republicans frantically deleting tweets from a couple months ago.

    More evidence of a minlessly contrary opposition party. Just toss it on the pile, I guess.

  •  A resolution.....oh boy......that oughta hurt. (5+ / 0-)
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  •  The swap for F.G. Powers should be investigated... (9+ / 0-)

    A commie spy sent back to Moscow for a failed pilot who didn't commit suicide like he was supposed to?  Clearly Eisenhower should have been tarred a feathered for that one.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:18:04 PM PDT

  •  coulda, shoulda (5+ / 0-)

    Instead of the prisoner swap, we shoulda traded the Koch brothers to the Taliban.  They would have bought their way out with guns and coal.  Our real heroes.  (obviously sarcasm--the hero part, anyway)

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:24:28 PM PDT

    •  or/zeros.. (0+ / 0-)

      decent wages don't eliminate jobs. Republicans eliminate jobs; and workers, and prospects, and then excuse it all and call for more austerity. there is no end to their ignorant, arrogant avarice. only political dinosaurs support their treachery.

      by renzo capetti on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 01:09:11 PM PDT

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  •  Obama should do an ultra classified briefing (20+ / 0-)

    one where a leaker could be prosecuted and say

    "I'm notifying you that I'm releasing ALL Gitmo prisoners in 30 days"

    Because the law ONLY says "notification", it says nothing about "approval"

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:32:35 PM PDT

  •  I noted in the now-well-known Rolling Stone piece (11+ / 0-)

    that these political battle lines were already firmly drawn, two years ago.  They didn't have to wait for the actual release (or the fight over notification rules) to start condemning it.  

    The talking points were already well-developed.  The list of five Taliban leaders proposed for exchange was already well-developed.  All of it.

    This Kabuki has been in rehearsal now for AGES.  Think they've got it perfected yet?

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:38:03 PM PDT

  •  Well of course they do (7+ / 0-)

    that's what a well-coordinated smear campaign is supposed to do, sway the masses.

    A majority disapprove of the deal that freed Bergdahl from his Taliban captors, and nearly three-quarters think he should face criminal charges if he deserted his unit, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
  •  The traditional taliban five (5+ / 0-)

    bantered about for years.

    Translate their offices to US offices.

    The Taliban Five are listed as:[9][10][11][3]

        Mohammad Fazl – Fazl served as Chief of Staff of the Taliban Army. He was associated with terrorist groups opposing US and Coalition forces. According to documents from the Joint Task Force Guantánamo, Fazl is "wanted by the UN for possible War crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites". The document stated Fazl has become a recruiting symbol for the Taliban.

        Khairullah Khairkhwa – Khairkhwa was the interior minister under the Taliban. He helped found the Taliban in 1994. He was directly associated with Osama Bin Laden and Taliban Supreme Commander Mullah Muhammad Omar. Likely involved with militant training, he was also "a narcotics trafficker and probably used his position and influences to become one of the major opium drug lords in Western Afghanistan", and probably used profits from drugs to promote Taliban interests.

        Norullah Noori – Nori served as the governor of Balkh and Laghman provinces in the Taliban regime. He was a senior Taliban military commander in Mazar-e-Sharif. Nori is "wanted by the United Nations for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims" along with Fazl. According to Barnett Rubin, they were "responsible for ethno-sectarian massacres in northern Afghanistan" along with their enemies.

        Mohammed Nabi Omari – Nabi was the Taliban's chief of communications. Nabi had "operational ties to Anti-Coalition Militia (ACM) groups including al-Qaida, the Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin". He also "maintained weapons caches and facilitated the smuggling of fighters and weapons".

        Abdul Haq Wasiq – Wasiq was deputy chief of the Taliban regime's intelligence service. Wasiq had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islarni Gulbuddin leaders, and was "central to the Taliban’s efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against US and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks".

    In the US none have fired a weapon.
  •  GOP Disloyal to the CIC? Say it isn't/so! (3+ / 0-)
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    decent wages don't eliminate jobs. Republicans eliminate jobs; and workers, and prospects, and then excuse it all and call for more austerity. there is no end to their ignorant, arrogant avarice. only political dinosaurs support their treachery.

    by renzo capetti on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 01:07:57 PM PDT

  •  Every day information is released that makes (11+ / 0-)

    Bergdahl a more sympathetic figure.  Maybe by the time elections roll around we can use this vote against those who voted to condemn Obama for bringing home a POW.  

  •  Noori wanted by UN/ (2+ / 0-)
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    aeou,
    Can't seem find Noori's name on any UN most wanted list! Help me out and link me to the list, not a web site where is just say's he's wanted by such and such!
    Here's the UN's most wanted list and Noori isn't on it! see his name anywhere on that list?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    If he in fact is wanted by the UN, why isn't the whole world screaming about his release?
    I'll man up if I'm found to be wrong in my assumptions, can you do the same thing?

  •  John Barrow (D-Ga.) and Nick Rahall (D-W. Va.) (6+ / 0-)

    blue dog asshats

    1. Books are for use.

    by looty on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 01:38:12 PM PDT

    •  They are Democrats for organizational purposes, (4+ / 0-)
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      ... and that helps us in things like the ratios for committee assignments.

      We need 17 House seats now. If you want us to need 19 or 20, we could expel them.

      Yes, the votes and actions of the Blue Dogs can be reprehensible. These two, right now, are certainly that. But on this issue, they may be more representative of Democrats than we want to think.

      2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:26:00 PM PDT

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      •  More representative than we want to think? (1+ / 0-)
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        As others have pointed out, the poll numbers are driven by the relentlessly negative coverage by the TV networks, "mainstream" as well as Fox. It remains to be seen whether they stay on board for the whole series of political show trials. Ideological bias will be balanced in their calculus against the brevity of the public attention span.

        "Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous." -- Molly Ivins

        by dumpster on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:56:19 PM PDT

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      •  well if they are more representative of Dems (2+ / 0-)
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        then I certainly hope their constituents who feel well-represented as well as those blue dogs who so satisfactorily represent them are prepared to step up to the plate when there are no more "volunteers" left in the All Volunteer Army. Lack of interest due to Bergdahl Syndrome/VA Neglect.

        next time republicans and blue dogs decide a little military force with an extended occupation against some foreign country (requiring multiple tours, no doubt) is in order? they should be first in line, because at the rate this pompous-ass congress is failing the military, the days are numbered 'til a draft becomes inevitable.

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        by Sybil Liberty on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 06:49:21 PM PDT

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  •  I had a couple of classmates yesterday (3+ / 0-)
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    watch a Fox News clip online during our break time. It had Andrew Napolitano on, commenting how Obama broke the law with this exchange and that he needs to be prosecuted. Afterwards the classmates were commenting how Obama was evading justice and should be prosecuted for his "crimes". Our teacher walked back in, over hearing their conversation, and said whatever comes out of Obama's mouth are lies and more lies. Deep inside I was just shaking my head, hearing these guys' conversation and asking to myself, "why are you getting your information from Fox News? They've been saying for years that Obama needs to be prosecuted."

    •  The teacher said this too and several classmates, (3+ / 0-)
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      do you live in a conservative region ?   Of course, this scenario can happen most anywhere.  But Fox news on during break time in an educational setting sounds like something I hear happens mostly in the more conservative areas and towns.

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      by wishingwell on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:43:37 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (4+ / 0-)
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        I live in Colorado springs, CO which is a pretty conservative city here in Colorado; one of the most conservative in the state. So yes, you know what I have to go through on a day by day basis.

        •  Ok, that is a very evangelical area, right ? (0+ / 0-)

          My nephew is glad to be stationed closer to Denver and they just bought a house in suburban Denver. He is Army , not Air Force but there was an opening there ..not sure if it is a base or just a reserve center..but he wanted to get nearer to his daughter from his first marrage. So he had his wife moved from her home area of San Francisco to Denver.

          Denver and its suburbs seem far more liberal and moderate  as my nephew is very liberal on social issues, moderate on foreign policy but he of course favors those who care and want to provide for Veterans which are the Democrats.

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          by wishingwell on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 03:50:47 PM PDT

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          •  There is an evangelical base here (1+ / 0-)
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            there's also alot of military veterans here that lean Republican or libertarian. Is the base your nephew's at called Buckley? That's the only Air Force base near Denver.

            Yeah I know the Denver area is more liberal and moderate leaning. I also know the economy in the Denver area is also pretty strong right, which is helping to carry Colorado's economy. The Springs' economy has been kind of slowly recovering, mainly due to the fact in the last year sequestration has hit the Springs' economy hard and the shutdown was even worse. Once I finish school and there are job opportunities for me in Denver, I'll consider me and my wife moving up there.

            •  He is Army, not Air Force, I keep forgetting to (0+ / 0-)

              ask specifically but I think he may be working out of an Army Reserve Center or National Guard Unit or something like that...unless there is an Army base in the Denver region?

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              by wishingwell on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 09:36:34 PM PDT

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              •  I am not aware any army base near Denver (0+ / 0-)

                Fort Carson is the only Army base I know of and it's here near the Springs.

                •  And that is why I think he works out of a reserve (0+ / 0-)

                  unit as many towns and cities across the country that do not have a military base nearby , often do have Army Reserves units and National Guard. They are often just housed in a building and not even that noticeable.  You may see a sign out front and that is about it, looks like any office .But it is often where the Reserves and Guard train on weekends..etc. It is just my nephew is fulltime career army and I do think he  trains and coordinates Army reserve units...

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                  by wishingwell on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 08:36:50 AM PDT

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            •  I used to live in Colorado Springs (1+ / 0-)
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              so yes, I know exactly what you are talking about.

              But there is a liberal enclave in the city....near Colorado College. Many of the neighborhoods in that area lean left.  

              But I know what you mean. I was glad to move away though there were many things about area I loved.

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              by Jjc2006 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 05:18:44 AM PDT

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              •  I don't think the Springs as a whole is a bad (1+ / 0-)
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                place to live. Like many cities here on the Front Range it's growing. But I don't think the city government has done a great job in deal with the sprawling development. For example, the Denver metro has buses, trollies, public transit systems that really in my view do a lot to link up the growing parts and downtown Denver. We don't have that at all here in the Springs; public buses are all that we have as far as public transit,  and they don't go everywhere.  Cars are THE mode of transportation here, and with our growing population traffic jams are are huge problem,  yet because of the conservative leans of the community voters here don't want to pay any city taxes here for public transit.

                •  You are so right about that... (1+ / 0-)
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                  which was one reason I was glad I lived close to downtown. I would walk down to Tejon often and there was a bus to take back if I was too hot or tired to walk.

                  But the city leaders are so close minded, little or no forethought for anything except keeping their conservative donors happy....and making sure anything "public" got little or no funding.

                  “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

                  by Jjc2006 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 11:18:49 AM PDT

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    •  if only there were some mechanism (1+ / 0-)
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      If only the Constitution provided some mechanism for trying the President for say, "high crimes and misdemeanors" ...

      If only there were some other body of government that Congress could go to to adjudicate its disagreements with the President ...

      The myopia of the right-wing is painful sometimes. There's a reason the Republicans only talk about Obama's "unlawful" actions and never do anything.

  •  A sad gaggle of childlike morons who (12+ / 0-)

    actually believe the hundreds of thousands of jihadis and insurgents throughout the region have been anxiously waiting for instructions from the five senior citizens released to Qatar.

    (Explains why things have been so eerily quiet in the Mideast since 2001!)

    Trust Republicans to keep a White House briefing confidential in the interest of national security?

    Per the National Journal:

    • When pressed on whether he would have been willing to expose the proposal if the White House had  notified Congress in advance, Inhofe [Asshole-OK]* responded, "I would do anything that I could do to stop the White House from releasing these dangerous people on society."

    • Senate Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Saxby Chambliss [Asshole-GA]* said if Congress received 30-day notification that these five Taliban prisoners were to be released from Guantanamo Bay, "I would have raised holy hell." When asked if he would have gone public with his "holy hell," he said, "Absolutely. I did last time and I would again."

    • Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham [Asshole-SC]*, who has been very vocal against the deal, said earlier in the week, "I would have vehemently objected" if Congress had been notified. "It would have given us a chance to put our objections on record and said don't do this."

    Stumbling, adolescent, treasonous jerkoffs!

    *State representation added by myself as a public service

    •  Damned if do and damned if he don't (2+ / 0-)
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    •  No surprise at all.... (4+ / 0-)
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      Inhofe is a sick, twisted b*stard who would send gay people in Uganda to their death.  This phony "I am a Christian" jerk is as anti American as it gets.  IMO all he cares about are white Christians and making the country into a Christians only country.

      Saxby Chambliss is another piece of work who disgusts me.  Anyone remember his campaign against Max Cleland???  Max came and did some fund raisers for a candidate in CO after he had lost to Chambliss.  Now here's Max, a triple amputee having lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam.  He had served his country, nearly died, but healed and moved forward to get elected to the Senate, had served in the Carter administration.  One night after a fund raiser we (those of us who were working on the campaign) all went out for drinks and Max  filled us in. His mother, elderly, was still alive when Chambliss ran against him.  His greatest anger he said was seeing his mother cry as the likes of Ann Coutler and other minions for Chambliss trashed his military service in ads.  So no surprise that the right would not care even a little if an Amercian Soldier died because some selfish congress critters hate the president.

      And Lindsey Graham??  Do not even get me started how he and his bff McCain have sold out their fellow soldiers just so they can stay in Congress, keep getting on Sunday shows so they can be more famous.  CREEPS...both of them.

      Why the f*ck anyone in or was ever in the military still buy the bullsh*t that the republicans are pro military astounds me.  Most righties are chicken hawk liars and the few that served show no signs of giving a damn about their younger counterparts who have served.

      “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

      by Jjc2006 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 05:33:57 AM PDT

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  •  Stunning! (10+ / 0-)

    Yes, this is a stunning response from "PATRIOTS" who sent this this soldier & other troops off to war to "protect our FREEDOM."  Willingly these servicemen & women left the safety of US soil & risked their safety to confront insurgents in hostile lands. I think the least we owe Bergdahl & others is their day in court. You know..with LIBERTY & JUSTICE for all.

  •  Well, I just f'n give up. (5+ / 0-)

    The insane have taken over the asylum that is D.C.

    Who can help me emigrate to Canada?

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    by Youffraita on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:21:22 PM PDT

  •  They won't condemn swap itself: bet on it. (3+ / 0-)
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    There may be a resolution that is so wordy and complains about so many things people will ASSUME that somewhere in there, there's a condemnation of the swap itself.  But there won't be.

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    by Inland on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:22:25 PM PDT

  •  Contempt for bringing home a POW? (16+ / 0-)

    During an election year? Please proceed, Boehner.

  •  Rahall D-WVa (1+ / 0-)
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     He's trying to save his own hide this fall. Folks in his district ,hell the State do not think much of Obama.

  •  Just eff these people (4+ / 0-)

    This is beyond pathetic

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:35:10 PM PDT

  •  yep and as more of these tea party (1+ / 0-)
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    and other tea rightists get elected or nominated (e.g. cannot loss) it diminishes us more.

    And I am Kilrain of the 20th Maine. And I damn all gentlemen. Whose only worth is their father's name And the sweat of a workin' man Steve Earle - Dixieland

    by shigeru on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:39:53 PM PDT

  •  Remember, the Taliban Five are SOOO EEEEVIL (10+ / 0-)

    that in nearly 13 years, we haven't come up with a single charge to try them on, much less convict them of.

    "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

    by bartcopfan on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:40:15 PM PDT

  •  So, have they figured out that it's easier to (0+ / 0-)

    prosecute somebody if you have them available to stand trial?

    Also -- that there is NO CONTRADICTION in freeing somebody who IS ACCUSED of being a traitor?

    We don't punish people (well, we shouldn't punish people) on the basis of accusations.

    If there's reason to try the guy, we can try the guy and, oh, I don't know, provide him with the due process that is built into American law, even American military law.

    The issues are (almost) unrelated:

    Free the man from his captors,
    Treat him appropriately when he comes back home.

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    by dinotrac on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 02:44:19 PM PDT

    •  no, they would rather have let the Taliban (4+ / 0-)
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      behead Bergdahl when it became clear to them that he wouldn't be much use to them if they didn't get their senior citizens back in a pow swap, before the end of the war.

      You say his health may have been jeopardized, Mr. President?

      yea, I would think

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 03:12:25 PM PDT

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  •  [shrugs] (4+ / 0-)
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    The "America" polled by WP-ABC can just fuck of and die.  

  •  the most revolting part of the hearing today (5+ / 0-)

    was republicans, various and sundry, demanding of Hagel via comments of this nature: "Are you prepared to send our troops into harms way if the Taliban detainees revert to their jihadist ways?"

    From the folks who brought you the godless/illegal Invasion of Iraq based on faulty intel, too few troops. & piss poor equipment.

    I've got a resolution of condemnation for all of you. And you as well, Senator Feinstein.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 03:05:26 PM PDT

  •  the law (0+ / 0-)

    Obama should have vetoed the law instead of signing it.  That would be a lot more honest than signing it then ignoring it.

    I am actually glad the sgt is home and the taliban were released.  After the sgt tried to escape captivity there was no doubt that he was a POW.  We bring our POW's home!
    The Taliban were safe sitting in a cell at Gitmo.  Now they will be looking over their shoulder for the drone should they return to Trashcanistan.  I don't agree with the president on much but I do like his drone war!

    •  It was attached to the Defense Appropriation Bill. (2+ / 0-)
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      Mr. Obama was going to veto that when it took so long to get it through?  

    •  push and pull (1+ / 0-)
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      the "balance of powers" has never been static. There has always been a push and pull between the three branches of our government. Sometimes the Executive is ascendant, other times Congress, and rarely the Judiciary, but always the three branches tug.

      The way the system is set up, it is practically the obligation of each branch to pull and push to maximize its power.

      IMHO, the Congress overreached (they do not have any authority over POWs) and so the President ignored them.

      •  to a point I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        You make a good case and I agree with most of it.  The part where the congress gets to meddle is when it comes to paying for what the CIC wants and their constitutional role in war.
        On a side note I would like to thank you for your reasoned response.  I am a Huffington post refugee and had hoped I could find a place that had thinking liberals with whom this old conservative could dialog.  So far it's nice to not get responses like tea bagger, troll, Faux news fool and other lame wastes of pixels.

        •  Congress is mostly powerless at this point (1+ / 0-)
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          When it comes to war, the way the system is structured the Presidency and the DoD have the funds and the authority to do pretty much whatever they want. Congress long ago ceded all military authority to the Presidency.

          Congress could start to unwind that, by reducing funding for the DoD and trying to claw back some authority for initiating or expanding hostilities. It would take years of concerted action to dismantle the machinery of America's perpetual war.

          But honestly (and sadly) I don't see any appetite for that in Congress or even popularly around the nation.

          As to your side note, you'll probably get your fair share of haters on this site. DBAD (Don't be a d*ck) is the operative word here. As long as you express yourself clearly and graciously (and don't let yourself be baited by trolls) you should be fine!

      •  Perhaps he should have said that. (0+ / 0-)
        the Congress overreached (they do not have any authority over POWs) and so the President ignored them.
        But, if the President believes this and it's the reason he made no attempt to notify Congress, why did he use the 'emergency' argument instead?

        That's pretty weak as obviously the deal, even if not finalized until the last day(s), was in the works for much longer. Even if 30 day's notice couldn't be given, when the Administration decided the deal was appropriate, albeit the number and exact individuals perhaps not yet determined, the Administration could have notified Congress in the spirit of the law.

        It would have shown more leadership to tell Congress he didn't notify them because he had no constitutional duty to. Tell them they can impeach and convict him if they feel otherwise.

        I don't have a strong opinion about the constitutionality of the law. I believe a law that banned torture of POWs could be constitutional, so I'm not sure one limiting their release w/o notification is necessarily unconstitutional.

        Maybe the House screwed this up -- perhaps they could have instead amended the appropriations bill to say that no monies could be spent on releasing POWs until approved by Congress. The power of the purse and all that.

        •  leadership is a canard (1+ / 0-)
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          It would have shown more leadership to tell Congress he didn't notify them because he had no constitutional duty to. Tell them they can impeach and convict him if they feel otherwise.
          IMHO, leadership was shown in negotiating this deal and doing what was necessary to get our soldier back. (You're confusing braggadocio and swagger with leadership. It's a common fallacy that the boldest talker is the best leader.)
          But, if the President believes this and it's the reason he made no attempt to notify Congress, why did he use the 'emergency' argument instead?
          The signing statement pretty much said as much, I believe. Basically, if PBO didn't have an ironclad faith in his authority, he wouldn't have done it.

          He told Congress it was an emergency because they got their fee-fees hurt and it serves no purpose to rub their faces in it. A little white lie to spare Congress some humiliation and give them an out. (Of course, the Republicans aren't going to take it, they'll roll around in the sh-t in the hope that some of it might smear on Obama.)

          •  In my view... (0+ / 0-)

            ...telling "white" lies in hopes of avoiding personal contention isn't the mark of a leader - it's the mark of a salesperson. Leaders stand up for what they believe and defend it rather than avoid addressing the issues that arise from those beliefs.

            Note does not require "braggadocio and swagger". A dignified written statement, with citations, from the White House explaining that he made no attempt to comply with either the letter or spirit of the law because the law is unconstitutional would have sufficed and saved time speechifying.

            In this case, his actions didn't move the ball forward to assert what the President, according to you, believes. It seems there is something about laws passed by Congress and signed by him don't bind him in dealing with POWs -- although we remain mystified where the bounds are.

            Article I, Section 8 specifies that Congress has the power

            To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval forces
            Suppose legislation was passed under the powers granted to Congress by Article I, Section 8 that stated something along the lines of:
            No member of the military shall release, or aid or participate in the release, of any enemy combatant without the explicit approval of Congress.
            This seems to be within their right under Article I, Section 8 - so how much latitude does Obama feel the President has? Does the president, as Commander In Chief rather than a member of the military forces, have the right to release an enemy combatant if the President personally releases the combatant - cutting locks, breaching security etc (since as CIC, he can't give an unlawful order to a member of the military that contradicts the law)? Can he use non-military contractors to breach security and release the combatant?

            Just where is the line?

            If Obama believes the notification law is unconstitutional and he can therefore ignore it, he hasn't done anything to help support that position by recoiling from discussion of that claim by telling a "white" lie.

  •  I'm shocked! Who would have seen this (1+ / 0-)
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    coming?  (snark/snark)  Where's that snark font someone mentioned that we need?

    . . . launching an investigation into the swap . . . as well as the decision to ignore the 30-day notification requirement . . .
  •  Momma, don't let you boys grow up to be soldiers (3+ / 0-)
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    Can you imagine any parent giving their child to the military with such attitudes as the GOP is expressing?

    "Oh, I don't like the way he wears his hair: let him rot in enemy prison."

     

  •  Are they saying Obama should have left him there? (3+ / 0-)
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    Well, three weeks ago, they wanted to blame Obama for having NOT got him out yet…

    Let these idiots have their fun and show the ENTIRE country how they are not only willing to send troops in harm's way for cheaper oil, but they have no problem throwing them under the bus in the hope to achieve their political agenda…

    Patriots? Not a for a'ing second, merely partisans...

  •  Today's hearing:, (3+ / 0-)
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    R congressman: convoluted complex question:

    Hagel: well, Congressman, what we did was..

    R congressman: Mr Secretary! Yes or No!

    Hagel: No

    R congressman: now sit there quietly while I grandstand for five minutes....Taliban ... attacks on America.... Blah blah... Most dangerous men ever... Blah... Promise me you'll call before you ever do anything.... Blah blah blah...

    Sigh...

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 03:26:08 PM PDT

  •  Leaks don't seem that common. (0+ / 0-)
    The House Republicans, realizing the danger it would put a POW in, wouldn't have leaked it? Yeah, I don't think even other Republicans can say that with a straight face anymore.
    Seriously? Because of course every matter of national security that a House Republican knows becomes public knowledge.

    Really, it seems to me that there are remarkably few leaks on matters of national security from either side of the aisle.

  •  Mean streak. (2+ / 0-)
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    There is a virulent mean streak in this country.  It's always been there to some degree, but since Obama took office, the level of raw hatred and viciousness has become palpable.  I find it very disheartening.  How do we as a society even start to come back from that level of bitter partisan divide?

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 05:09:22 PM PDT

  •  A black man freed a white man (2+ / 0-)
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    This is what it comes down to.. I watched Chuck Hagel today on CSpan and he was boiling with telling that idiot idiot Miller from our state he did not like what he was implying and I tell you.. I have seen that look in a hundred veterans' eyes.  He wanted to jack slap the chickenhawk.

    Just how much Koch do Right Wingers want in their life? . United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 06:05:10 PM PDT

  •  Breaking News: (1+ / 0-)
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    Today, President Obama had this message to Congress in regard to the prisoner exchange that brought Sgt Bergdahl back: Some of you don't agree.  I've bent over backwards to try to find agreements, I've endured continual insults not only to me, but also my wife and my children. So guess what? I'm not giving a flying fuck about what you idiots say anymore. Go pound sand.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 06:27:51 PM PDT

  •  military recruiting (2+ / 0-)
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    how about a discussion revolving around recruiting Bergdahl in the first place? let's talk about why our military had to resort to lowering their standards to the extent of signing up someone so far on the fringes. instead of condemning Bergdahl, maybe we should take some responsibility for these lower standards and multiple deployments and stop gap measures.  maybe we can take some time to discuss our incessant need to play at war.  it's not as if we ever "win" or even improve a situation. it's not as if we have the money or the stomach for these skirmishes.

    blaming Sgt. Bergdahl and his family is a cowardly abdication of our responsibilities.

  •  Whether he went AWOL or not (2+ / 0-)
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    is totally beside the point. He wears our uniform, bears our flag, and is OUR soldier, a son of America. NO MATTER what he is ALLEGED to have done, he was a POW and needed to be brought home.
    The ONLY thing Repubiturds have to hold against this is that Obama did it, so they have to be incensed.  They can't stand that the "black guy in the White House" did something they totally lacked the balls, or the decency, to do.
    IF he went AWOL, that should be answered by Courts Martial, not some TV blow-hard.

  •  Bad boy, no ice cream for you! (1+ / 0-)
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    Such resolutions are 100% meaningless actions. Impeachment is the only meaningful response to such deliberate and flagrant law-breaking by a sitting President.

    In 2013, Congress passed 510 such resolutions. Here's a sampling:

    S.Res. 467: A resolution recognizing the 100th Anniversary of Fishermen’s Terminal in the Port of Seattle and celebrating Seattle’s rich maritime heritage and its importance to the United States.

    S.Res. 464: A resolution designating June 2014 as “National Aphasia Awareness Month” and supporting efforts to increase awareness of aphasia.

    S.Res. 459: A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate with respect to childhood stroke and recognizing May 2014 as “National Pediatric Stroke Awareness Month”.

    And almost 500 more similar resolutions.

    Oh Yeah, and in 2014 a resolution declaring Obama to be a bad boy for purposely, blatantly and flagrantly breaking Federal law and sending him to bed with only one ice cream cone instead of two for one night. Republicans will vote for the anti-ice-cream resolution and pretend like they did something that matters, and the Democrats will intensely defend the right of the President to break all the laws he wishes AND to have his extra ice cream cone.

  •  This country is a fallen nation. This country h... (1+ / 0-)
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    This country is a fallen nation. This country has taken Christ out of the equation therefore, it doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. According to this country, whatever a person says is right, is what's right and vise versa. It is for this reason that this country is under judgement, and the judgement is, not knowing the difference between right and wrong. This reality is clearly seen in the right wing tea party.

  •  I Bet The Obamas Are Counting The Minutes.... (1+ / 0-)
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    until they can get away from the looney bin circus in DC.  
    Far....far....away.

    I'll be so happy for them & their beautiful family.

  •  Well Of Course They Will... (0+ / 0-)

    That's what the Party of NO does.

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