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Paul Krugman  writes in The New York Times that Cantor's defeat is a very big deal.
Movement conservatism is  "unraveling before our very eyes."
Eric Cantor and the Death of a Movement

The Rovian bag of tricks has long been used by conservatives to win elections.  Emotional conservative themes such as the threadbare Guns God and Gays are trotted out each election campaign only to be put away once Republicans are elected.

movement conservatism,” a term I think I learned from the historian Rick Perlstein, is something more specific: an interlocking set of institutions and alliances that won elections by stoking cultural and racial anxiety but used these victories mainly to push an elitist economic agenda, meanwhile providing a support network for political and ideological loyalists.
With the defeat of Cantor, this is all changing.
By rejecting Mr. Cantor, the Republican base showed that it has gotten wise to the electoral bait and switch, and, by his fall, Mr. Cantor showed that the support network can no longer guarantee job security. For around three decades, the conservative fix was in; but no more.
What does this mean for 2016?  Fasten your seatbelts because the crazy can no longer be cosmetic.
Mr. Cantor’s defeat shows that lip service to extremism isn’t enough; the base needs to believe that you really mean it.

In the long run — which probably begins in 2016 — this will be bad news for the G.O.P., because the party is moving right on social issues at a time when the country at large is moving left. (Think about how quickly the ground has shifted on gay marriage.) Meanwhile, however, what we’re looking at is a party that will be even more extreme, even less interested in participating in normal governance, than it has been since 2008. An ugly political scene is about to get even uglier.

The Republican party is about to go nova. The conservative movement has been feeding itself on the marketing deception that it was crazy.  Now Republican candidates have to actually be divorced from reality to get elected.

Popcorn Time!

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  •  Tip Jar (370+ / 0-)

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:23:07 AM PDT

    •  Yup.... (13+ / 0-)

      .......Teahadists still fully support the Repuglican economic agenda.

      Misconduct by the government is by definition NOT a government secret.

      by Doug in SF on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:38:35 AM PDT

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    •  From the .1% ers, its a moot point (3+ / 0-)
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      Business as usual.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 12:01:41 PM PDT

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    •  Movement conservatism replaced by fundamentalism (9+ / 0-)

      I or one am not sure the death of "Movement conservatism" is a good thing.

      For years the GOP campaigned on God, Guns, and Gays, only to push an agenda of more prosperity for the wealthy elite.  

      But the guy who defeated Cantor says his victory shows that God is on his side.  It looks to me like "movement conservatism" is being replaced by real, live fundamentalism.  

      And I don't really see that have conservatives push an actual agenda of pro-God, pro-Gun and anti-Gay is any sort of improvement.  Remember, conservatives voters WANT God, Guns and Gays - they win elections, but didn't get the actual policies.

      What if now they win elections and the group they choose to run the country legislates from a pro-God, pro-Gun, anti-Gay position?  We'll all be crying to have Eric Cantor back!

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:04:12 AM PDT

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      •  I think (7+ / 0-)

        Cantor was an Establishment Republican who was more than willing to pander to the extremists to gain their support.

        It's better to have the extremism out in the open where people can see it because people who would vote for a Cantor won't take the time to read between the lines and see what he and his ilk are really about.

        Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think most Republican voters view arming conspiracy-theory crazies or taking a wrecking ball to the government and Wall Street as good things - whatever a person's politics, it's easier to live with the evil you know than to open the door to something that stands a good chance of being much worse.  What these Republicans are willing to do about it now that they've allowed their party to unleash a pandemic of crazy on the populace is another matter entirely.

        I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again. - Oscar Wilde

        by penelope pnortney on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 11:46:59 AM PDT

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      •  Alive and Well in Turkey. (1+ / 0-)
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        However much trouble the Movement Conservatives have in the US, they're alive and well in Turkey. Recep Tayyip Erdogan won by appealing to religious Turks who feel they've been kept down by a stridently secularist government; and once in office, he governed for the benefit of the rich. Rewarding his friends was much more important than preserving the community around Istanbul's Gezi Park neighborhood.

        Erdogan is a lot like Ronald Reagan, except without the geniality.

        Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 07:02:51 PM PDT

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      •  Alive and Well in Turkey. (0+ / 0-)

        However much trouble the Movement Conservatives have in the US, they're alive and well in Turkey. Recep Tayyip Erdogan won by appealing to religious Turks who feel they've been kept down by a stridently secularist government; and once in office, he governed for the benefit of the rich. Rewarding his friends was much more important than preserving the community around Istanbul's Gezi Park neighborhood.

        Erdogan is a lot like Ronald Reagan, except without the geniality.

        Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 07:44:33 PM PDT

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      •  IF they win... (0+ / 0-)

        That is IF they win. The reason we applaud Cantor's defeat is because many, hopefully enough, establishment republicans may not vote for their republican candidate because he is so extreme, even for them. That is what we believe will allow us to win in districts that would have been considered republican controlled and too conservative for a democrat to win.

    •  If the Tea Party (5+ / 0-)

      is such a populist movement, why do the Tea Party (real or in name only) elected officials keep voting in favor of the banking industry and big business and against the interests of ordinary people?    I would like to see a table of actual votes on issues of significance to ordinary people and actual votes that favor Wall Street and industry over ordinary people by these so-called Tea Party "populists".  I suspect that they are actually just hyper crazy social conservatives who vote with the Republican (for now) power brokers every time and are really not interested in overcoming crony capitalism, just being next in line to benefit from it.

      •  Because They Stir up (1+ / 0-)
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        this crazy segment of Americans just to get elected and then show their true colors.  If we get some real batshit crazy ones elected, like this guy seems to be (so far), I think the Tea Party will turn into a lot of soggy, used, drippy bags.

        Enjoying the Age of Aquarius so far?

        by sendtheasteroid on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:47:59 PM PDT

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      •  Because the 1% are 99% white (1+ / 0-)
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        Because poorer whites hate sharing power with minorities so badly that they will gladly give away their own stake in democracy to guarantee that their "kind" will have a monopoly on power?

        They've already begun talking up pre-Jacksonian positions like bringing back Senators being elected by state legislatures instead of the voters.  That means going back 40 years before slavery ended.  The next move backwards would be the restoration of property requirements for voting.  The next move after that would be re-establishing state religion.

        If these jerks really want to take everything back to the way it was in 1792, then most of them want to give up their own right to vote.  In that first presidential election, there were only 30,000 voters.  Literally the 1%.

    •  I'm a lefty, and I see it differently (3+ / 0-)
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      A few weeks ago, in an earlier round of Republican primaries, a couple establishment candidates survived Teaparty challenges. At that time all the talking heads were claiming that the more traditional, (not the extremist section of that party) had reasserted itself against the Teaparty. The tea party was finished?

      Now Cantor loose his seat to a tea bagger, and it seems that the tea party is not finished. Indeed establishment politicians are running more to the right because they fear for their reelection. The tea party is very much alive.

      It seems to me that the tea party has shifted the politics of both parties to the right. I know that this is not good news for most participants on this site. But, it's never a good idea to underestimate your opponent.

      War is costly. Peace is priceless!

      by frostbite on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 07:19:01 PM PDT

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  •  If only we had a party (126+ / 0-)

    ... that didn't pursue an elitist economic agenda.  The Republican party's best friend is the Democratic party.  If Democrats were truly committed to reversing income inequality and reining in the political power of Money, the Republican party would be ground into the dust.  Unfortunately, the good cop-bad cop routine requires both parties to remain intact.  Divide-and-conquer is the way ruling elites have always maintained their power, and both parties serve that end.

    The Republican party is trying to die, but Democrats keep putting it on life support.

    We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

    by Dallasdoc on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:40:22 AM PDT

  •  I keep wondering why 20-30% (28+ / 0-)

    of the American population is nutty enough to keep voting for these people.

    It's a matter of not wanting to face that your interests have been sold down the river, by those whose job it is to serve you. A lot of people don't want to look betrayal in the face. Far easier to keep on clinging to illusions.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:41:19 AM PDT

  •  Sorry to disagree, Dallasdoc, but I see no (36+ / 0-)

    evidence to back your claim.  I see Elizabeth Warren becoming a major force, Bernie Sanders out of the shadows, Democrats pushing for minimum wage increases, equal pay, supporting the ACA, running on populist platforms, and demonizing the Koch Brothers.  How is this "both sides are evil"?  Here's the bad news:  Wall Street is a fact of life.  "Corporations are greedy" is a fact of life.  We don't prosper by destroying them, we succeed when we regulate them.  Republicans have blocked and defunded every regulatory agency for decades, with no effective pushback until the first two years of Obama's presidency.  

    How about putting some energy into electing more Democrats, then focusing on teaching them to be better Democrats?  There's no magic fix, no Deus ex machina that will cure our problems.  That's the job of We, the People.

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:52:40 AM PDT

    •  The RW With Their Billionaire Power Nonetheless (12+ / 0-)

      decided that you can't teach existing dogs new tricks, not in any numbers. So they set about replacing the Republican Party beginning 50 years ago. They realized going 3rd party would hand liberals the government and therefore the courts for another generation even with RW financial backing. But they also realized that the party they had was not teachable.

      And neither is ours.

      So the experience of the only successful political party revolution of the past lifetime says that "better" has to come before "more."

      And as with the RW revolution, job 1 is to establish means of communication and education of voters independent of the mainstream public square.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:05:11 AM PDT

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      •  So the solution is to emulate the (0+ / 0-)

        Tea Party because at least they by God stick to their principles and brook no dissent?  

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:37:03 PM PDT

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    •  Seems the folks decided that making Cantor (7+ / 0-)

      "better" was a lost cause.  I do have to give Republican voters credit for figuring out that once the lobbies own them there is nothing you can do but vote the bums out.  

    •  Even fairly conservative folks, like Financial (3+ / 0-)
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      Times, Martin Wolf, question just how "fact of life", "we need them", the financial sector as we know it is.

      TINA is rarely a fact of life, but rather a political/moral choice we make.

      Strip banks of their ability to create credit:

      http://www.ft.com/...

      Wall Street?  Make stocks have a limited life span, etc...

      In other words, saying that credit is necessary is one thing, saying that private banks as we know them is another.

      Same goes for Wall Street more generally.

      •  Wall Street may prefer the (10+ / 0-)

        unquestioned slavish obedience of Republican government, but if they can't get that they can easily settle for a feckless and timid triangulating-compromising Clintonian Democratic government. In event of the latter they still keep their power and most of their profit rate.

        •  Interesting to consider: As the Left movement of (4+ / 0-)
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          the early 20th century frightened the power elite into compromise, so might the Right extremism of the early 21st century do the same.

          Interesting too, the world seems to be collapsing into a state of chaos.


          "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

          by Pescadero Bill on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:24:20 AM PDT

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          •  Over the last 34 years (4+ / 0-)
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            both Republican and Democratic governments have made it possible for the nation's owners to concentrate wealth and consolidate an oligarchy stronger than that of the Gilded Age. So I see nothing forcing that oligarchy to compromise now, regardless of what party takes Congress and the White House.

            •  Nothing, (1+ / 0-)
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              except seven billion disenfranchised and pissed off people.

              We're still too comfortable to employ the "direct democracy" much of the world is seeing, but the oligarchs surely must see that there is a breaking point.

              And even they don't want to reach it.

      •  So propose an alternative economy (0+ / 0-)

        that doesn't rely on Wall Street, and stop giving your money to greedy corporations.  I understand survivalism is simple, it's just not easy.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:39:40 PM PDT

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        •  Read the link maybe? It has nothing to do (1+ / 0-)
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          with survivalism.

          •  I have no quarrel with replacing Wall Street (0+ / 0-)

            with something that works.  I think it's far more sensible to follow a winning template left us by FDR, and then not just assume it's safe to ignore what the Oligarchs are doing until the country is fucked beyond belief.  IIRC Obama took a lot of shit here for supporting crowd-sourced funding for start-ups.  Fortunately he did what he thought was wisest and it seems to be growing.  Even our Founding Fathers seem to have believed capitalism needed reins in order to work, but I read NOTHING here about how to give some teeth to Dodd-Frank.  The general attitude seems to be it's too much work to act like involved citizens with a stake in the country, much easier to rail and be angry that the people we elect aren't doing it for us.  

            Just as an example, GLBTQ rights are now mainstream because GLBTQ citizens took the beatings, the murders, the vitriol, the shaming and came out loud and proud.  Then they kept pushing, prodding, marching, posting, writing, fighting, educating, bouncing back from severe losses, keeping on anyway.  Imagine where we'd be if OWS had followed that plan for the 50 years it takes to change things.  

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:02:28 PM PDT

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    •  Talk about alot of strawmen. (4+ / 0-)
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      We want to destroy business?

      That's a very old right wing talking point from the '70s and '80s.

      No deus ex machine?  Who asked for that?

      Here are some facts - the US is becoming a 3rd world nation on a number of metrics.

      It wasn't always this way.  We know how to have a prospering, well-educated, healthy nation.  We just quit doing the things necessary to keep it that way.  

      The blame for this situation lies at the dem party's feet for not being an opposition party when the nation needed them to be an opposition party.

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:46:53 AM PDT

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    •  "Democrats running on populist platforms?" (3+ / 0-)

      That would be a great, I love OCD.

      However, we have only one "loud" Democrat voice, Elizabeth Warren, on that score.

      Sanders who is not a Democrat, and really who else is carrying that banner high?

      _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

      by allenjo on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:52:50 AM PDT

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      •  No we only HEAR about one populist (0+ / 0-)

        unless we're looking for others.  Sandra Fluke is just as outspoken, Wendy Davis and Alison L Grimes are fighting for jobs, equal pay, raising the minimum wage, saner taxing, women's health rights.   I read every day, on fucking FB, not here, about Dems fighting the Joint Chiefs and college leaders on sexual assault, I read every day about the grassroots fights for gun sanity, for the minimum wage, for unions, for justice economic and civil.  Mostly here I read about how hopeless it is, except on the FP.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:12:29 PM PDT

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      •  What you're basically saying (0+ / 0-)

        is progressives are impotent unless they have someone pulling their strings?

        You don't need loud Democratic voices, you need to create them.

    •  You can't see the evidence? (6+ / 0-)

      What happened to those huge congressional majorities in 2008?

      Howard Dean's 50 State strategy was deep-sixed.

      Rahm Emanuel's "recruit the crappiest Dems and former goopers he can find" strategy became the rule.  

      And this continues under DWS and Steve Israel.

      They have no incentive to change when they can count on your 'lesser evil' vote, no matter how craven and cynical they get.  These are people who say, "Sorry, we can't do much for you because Congress is too conservative"...and then do everything they can to make sure it stays that way.

      Because that's how they get the corporate graft.
      ~

      •  Yada yada yada. It's hopeless! (0+ / 0-)

        They have all the power.  Nobody can do anything to change things.  I'm going to blog and complain because political involvement is work and I have a handy excuse here to avoid actual effort!  

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:44:06 PM PDT

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      •  Howard Dean's 50 State Strategy (0+ / 0-)

        relied on Blue Dogs. it didm't run progressives, it ran who can win. That's how we got the majority that passed the Republican healthcare plan and pretty much nothing else.

        •  So even Dodd-Frank, the CFPB, the end of (0+ / 0-)

          DADT, full rights for gays, a stronger EPA, pushing for a living wage, teaching people the extent of the corporate welfare state, are just not worth it because Dick Cheney walks semi-freely and no Banksters were hanged?  Do you really not get that these are issues that take decades to solve?  

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 12:18:20 PM PDT

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          •  No completely worth it (0+ / 0-)

            I love the 50 state strategy, but lets not pretend its going to get us a progressive revolution.

            •  It's not. More Democrats beats the (1+ / 0-)
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              hell out of more Republicans, and I don't really care about purity testing.  No one will ever govern or lead according to my personal desires.  What stuns me is the number of lefties who believe that's a requirement.  

              I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

              by I love OCD on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:17:44 PM PDT

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  •  Goals and Objectives (6+ / 0-)

    A goal of modern "conservatism," actually rule by the wealthy, is cheap labor worldwide.  Labor whose need trumps its worth in this manipulated market--this fascism of corporate bribes and 'donations' via lobbyists--is thus fully de-fanged.

    The objective of single-class control of commerce is a fascist goal. Nothing free about "conservative" markets!

    I aim to live in agreement with Benjamin Franklin's admonition to "Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty."

    by delonix on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:11:05 AM PDT

    •  that's what conservative has always meant (2+ / 0-)
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      conserve the existing sociopolitical power structure.

      222 house republicans support the Ryan budget that would convert Medicare to a premium-support program. In other words, they want to repeal Medicare and replace it with a system that works just like Obamacare.

      by happymisanthropy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:23:46 PM PDT

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  •  Interesting mix they have to pander to now (1+ / 0-)
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    the get the government out of my life crowd that demands that the government gets in the middle of people's lives.

    That group votes more than they have sex, care about it more and probably do it better.

    Obviously Dems suck, this is DailyKos, there are people here whose sole purpose seems to remind us of that but I sure am glad we aren't them.

    •  Government that doesn't (3+ / 0-)
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      own or manage collective resources, such as roads or schools, or even tax dollars, but government that legislates a specific social hierarchy based on ethnicity, gender, sexuality, religion, and social class.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:13:48 AM PDT

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  •  The Biggest Surprise...Money Didn't Talk This Time (18+ / 0-)

    Cantor spent over $5 MILLION, Brat had only $200,000.

    Apparently we can't pin everything on Citizens United anymore.

    If I were an incumbent, Dem or Republican, I'd be getting that
    warning sign in the pit of my stomach, especially if I'd been
    around for a while.

    The next wave could come crashing down on all the old timers.

  •  Wow, I'm going to have to disgree with Krugman. (13+ / 0-)
    By rejecting Mr. Cantor, the Republican base showed that it has gotten wise to the electoral bait and switch ...
    They haven't gotten wise. They're just being duped by a better set of con artists. They chose Brat, not someone with a brain.

    Rove and company don't play the hate-sichord as well as the Kochs' network.

    "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

    by nosleep4u on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:38:36 AM PDT

  •  Wishful thinking, I'm afraid (4+ / 0-)

    How is this some great change?  The reactionary dummies dumped one right wing nut for another.  This will mean something when they splinter and can no longer deliver victories over Democrats with this right wing garbage.  Right now we're in a year when they're probably going to pick up even more seats in Congress.  They're likely to replace Senator Harkin in my state with someone about as wonderful as Sarah Palin.  

    It seems any schadenfreude here is just a personal thing about Cantor being a jerk and getting his.  But I don't get the celebration beyond that.  

    When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:42:09 AM PDT

    •  Maybe an Iowan can explain to me why (0+ / 0-)

      immigration reform is a really, really great message to win a Senate seat in Iowa?  Fortunately, for Franken Democrats are pretty happy with the Democrats running the state so they'll probably tune out the tone deaf messaging of the national party but I'll be darned if I know how any of this sells in Iowa.

      And my reaction after watching Braley's ads -- No one believes a lawyer wants to help them.

      •   Because most Republicans are racist (0+ / 0-)

        And, yeah, I wish we had a better candidate.  I'm depressed about this race right now but I'm going to try to just rally past that and see if I can help him win.  

        When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:04:50 AM PDT

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        •  O, I misunderstood your question (0+ / 0-)

          You're questioning why Democrats are pushing immigration reform?  I thought you were asking why Republicans are using the issue in the election.  

          When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

          by Sun dog on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:08:14 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, it just doesn't seem to be an issue that (0+ / 0-)

            works that well in a lot of states and districts.  I mean it's just not what people are thinking about.  They don't have to be racists.  They just don't care about it and to the extent you raise the issue they think well why aren't you talking about something that impacts me?

            •  You may be making faulty assumptions (0+ / 0-)

              about where the immigrant population lives. It's not just about Texas, Florida, and California any more. Immigrants -- Latino, Somali, Pakistani, you name it -- are in every community. (Here in Providence RI, English language learners are a high percentage of the public school population, one reason the state is in hot water over using standardized tests as a graduation requirement.)

              Iowa isn't a place where 75% of the schoolkids were born outside the US, of course. But that doesn't mean that immigration issues won't have some sway there.

              •  The state of Iowa isn't the city of Providence (1+ / 0-)
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                It isn't even the city of Des Moines.  Even in Minnesota where I live, sure immigration might be a popular issue in Minneapolis but Democrats already get 80% of the vote in Minneapolis.  I think too many are kidding themselves that the new voter they don't turn out is going to make up for the 2 voters they lose.  Immigration is always popular with first generation voters but you lose voters the more worried they get about losing the foothold they have to competition from newcomers.  

                Democrats ought to worry more about the voters they have who are registered to vote NOW and most of the issues they're selling are not directed at those voters.  

                •  I don't think it's a winning issue (0+ / 0-)

                  It's an important issue, of course, but I have to agree that Democrats are barking up the wrong tree if they think it's going to win this election in Iowa.  Ernst is just playing a goofy populist game and the Register has a crush on her which is bad news.  Perhaps Braley's team knows what they're doing and targeting immigration reform to certain communities.  But, like I said before, most Republicans are racist and immigration tends to be a much easier issue for them to use in an  election.  Democrats have to try to come up with reasonable solutions to a very difficult problem that can't possibly please everyone.  Republicans just need to blow dog whistles to call out their voters.  

                  I haven't seen anything yet in the dynamics of this race to cheer me about our chances.  

                  When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

                  by Sun dog on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 05:46:40 PM PDT

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  •  The leftovers of 20th Century (0+ / 0-)

    politics...

    "The inmates are running the asylum" museum is now open.

    •  I don't see this as being limited to the grounds (0+ / 0-)

      of a Museum. In many states such as Oklahoma, there is a political race to the bottom with candidates. It doesn't feel like there is anything falling apart, so much as power being consolidated by all the wrong sorts of candidates.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:22:59 AM PDT

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  •  what if the fix is in by someone else? (3+ / 0-)

    Brad Friedman makes the point that no one has made any attempt at verifying whether the vote was correct, and in many of the districts voting there is no way to verify it because of the type of electronic voting machines in use:  http://www.bradblog.com/...

    The point I would make is that you're thinking of Cantor as the establishment, but Brat's side is pretty well-heeled and well-connected also (e.g. the Koch brothers).

    •  Ding Ding Ding. Kochs pull rug under old (0+ / 0-)

      esablishment neocon powers.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:23:47 AM PDT

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  •  Not just popcorn time, but Body armor Time (5+ / 0-)
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    And that's not a joke, and there is nothing funny about this. The mental instability exhibited by members of this party is both disturbing and violent.

    "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

    by GreenMother on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:19:04 AM PDT

  •  Yes... (6+ / 0-)

    The GOP is imploding - but the question remains: how far down the rabbit hole will the Dems chase them?  Also, we know for certain that the media will continue to give the GOP at least equal time no matter how far right they go (right now somewhere right of fascism - a sort of tribal feudalism).

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

    by RichM on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:21:46 AM PDT

    •  The more that GOP crazy talking points (0+ / 0-)

      drive the media narrative,
      the deeper their nightly news goes down the rabbit hole.

      I hope that it reaches a point where the absurdity level of the conservative psychosis causes a corporate media implosion.

      If cats could blog, they wouldn't

      by crystal eyes on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:36:53 AM PDT

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  •  They need to be extreme to win their primary (0+ / 0-)

    They won't get elected because of that extremism.

    On November 6, 2012, Mitt Romney finally convinced the 47% to take "personal responsibility and care for their lives"...and another 4% more agreed with them.

    by nmjardine on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:24:42 AM PDT

  •  US political history is cyclical (11+ / 0-)

    The first cycle in the country's history, from 1783-1865, was marked by a push for political and economic stability and growth, and a struggle to end slavery. The first largely succeeded, while the second "succeeded", but in very ugly and costly fashion as we all know, culminating in the Civil War, which formally ended slavery, but not the profound racism and inequality that underlied it.

    The second cycle, from 1865-1900, was an era of rapid and massive economic growth and urbanization, along with rapidly increasing economic inequality and dislocation. We now know it as the Robber Baron era, the first era of oligarchs.

    The third cycle, from 1900-1952, was marked by the emergence of the US as a global power, eventually the dominant one, internationally, and the rise of progressivism domestically, starting with TR's trust-busting and regulatory reforms, continuing with Wilson's progressive reforms, and culminating in FDR's New Deal, carried through to completion by Truman.

    The fourth cycle, from 1952-2006, was marked by a shift from an emphasis on economic stability and fairness, that having been to a large extent achieved, to an emphasis on advancing civil rights, which while to a large extent successful, led to a conservative backlash and resurgence, culminating in the dominance of conservatism in US politics and economics in the second half of this cycle.

    This cycle ended just over midway through Bush II's second term, due to his and his party's massive failures, from 9/11, to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, to Katrina, to trying to privatize Social Security, to the economic meltdown, and also due to their overemphasis on culturally conservative issues like trying to roll back abortion and gay rights. The country had had enough of extreme conservatism, and began a shift away from the right and towards the left.

    We're now in the early part of a fifth long-term cycle that, while not yet truly progressive, shows signs of becoming progressive in time. Unfortunately, the conservative movement and its political proxy the GOP, while weakened, still have enough power to gum up the works. But they are no longer able to set the agenda, and probably won't be for a very long time, if ever.

    Eventually, their death grip on the country will be broken as they continue to become ever more extreme, their power continues to ebb away, and we'll be able to move forward. We're not quite there yet, but we're getting close. We'll eventually retake the house, gain more seats in the senate, and retake the majority in the courts, especially SCOTUS. I expect this all to happen within 5-10 years. At that point, I believe that the second progressive era will begin in earnest. (Perhaps third, as the first major era was pretty progressive--at least for northern and urban whites, not so much for blacks or natives.)

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:27:13 AM PDT

    •  I agree on cycles but that's why the Progressive (4+ / 0-)

      Caucus ought to be on the offense and generating ideas and a vision instead of hunkering down and capitulating to the centrists.  

      I don't believe Warren will run but the future is in ideas coming from people like her.  It sure isn't in crowning Margaret Thatcher to re-triangulate the 1990s.

      •  They won't push unless we push them (3+ / 0-)
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        These cycles--obviously an oversimplification--have an initial phase, a steady phase, and a wind-down phase. Usually the wind-down phase of the previous cycle and the initial phase of the new cycles overlap. I think that we're in the final part of the wind-down phase and the initial phase of the new cycle right now, so it's hard to see it. The former is obscuring the latter, and the latter has yet to hit full stride. But I think it's happening, whether or not DC Dems drive it (usually those at the top don't, but react to driving forces outside the establishment). Cons on the way out, progs are on the way in. But it's a slow and messy process with still many more bumps and setbacks to come before we're in steady state. It'll happen though, I believe.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:32:02 AM PDT

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  •  The fix isn't in. (3+ / 0-)
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    But we still need progressive candidates to primary DINOs on the democratic side.  

    That's the teaching too.

    "You cannot win improv." Stephen Colbert (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6tiaooiIo0 at 16:24).

    by Publius2008 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:51:58 AM PDT

  •  Can't say I feel sorry for them, (1+ / 0-)
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    feeding the right wing extremists as they did.  However, their demise is yet to be seen.  Never saw a group that came back so quickly and so strong as them the last few years.  It would be amazingly interesting  to watch as closely as I do if it didn't have such an effect on all our lives.  Just hope if they go down this time, they don't take all of us with them.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:52:31 AM PDT

  •  Which positions Democrats to be the preferred (1+ / 0-)
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    Wall Street party.

    Suck it, all you lefty commie-socialists!

    Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

    by The Dead Man on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:53:14 AM PDT

  •  We could be seeing the Supernova, the death of (1+ / 0-)
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    the star that is conservatism.  This phase might take 20 years.  Gelogical/astronomical stuff takes awhile, but once it tips, it moves quite fast (ironically, like climate change!).

    How do we know?  These cycles would be unprecedented.  This could be a death throe.

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    by Floyd Blue on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:24:17 AM PDT

  •  The tiger by the tail they were holding on to (0+ / 0-)

    Has turned around and eaten them.

    Hope it doesn't mean everyone else will have to deal with the tiger. That would be the end of the US as we know it.



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    by splashy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:27:53 AM PDT

  •  Not entirely accurate (0+ / 0-)

    While "movement conservatism" may be ending, it's being replaced by outright religious fundamentalism. Even if that element attains minority status, it's a tremendously dangerous situation for our country. And if Dems need numerical domination in turnout to prevail, we have to stop offering a continuing array of white suburban types. More better minority representation up and down the line will be the only thing that saves the country.

    •  If you don't need white suburbs that would be (0+ / 0-)

      swell but in states like mine, it's suburbs like mine that hold the balance.  

      The electorate is 70% white.  You can't just ignore that demographic.  The Republicans aren't nearly as dumb as people think in trying to make sure they get an increasing percentage of it.

  •  My friend said the other day when I whined (2+ / 0-)
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    that another GOP led House with even more teabaggers might result in an actual default, rather than blackmail attempt, he said, "Sometimes you just have to let your kid fall off the monkey bars and crack his open, so he'll learn".

    It was said in snark and a touch of reality, but this might be our future.

    Maybe when people REALLY get hurt, they will learn.

    I call it tough love for country but it scares the shit outta me.

  •  Krugmen May Be Wrong About 2016 (4+ / 0-)

    I am not sure the GOP Crazy wing will just wait around for 2016.  There are a number of 2014 Republican primaries to go and I have to believe that the crazies are now highly motivated to repeat the Cantor ousting in as many districts as possible.

    And even if they are only able to succeed in a handful of Districts, it will greatly improve Dem. chances this fall, since running against a true GOP crazy instead of a GOP incumbent phoney has got to be worth a few percentage points.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:37:51 AM PDT

    •  I think you misunderstand Krugman (1+ / 0-)
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      the full sentence:

      In the long run — which probably begins in 2016 — this will be bad news for the G.O.P.
      IOW--GOP craziness to begin today but won't be bad news for them (won't have an effect on elections) until 2016.

      Reason being: for whatever stupid constellation of reasons, too few Democrats actually bother to show up on election day during the midterms.

      1. Books are for use.

      by looty on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 11:27:43 AM PDT

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    •  Perhaps in the Senate. The House, not so much. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Obi Ben Ghazi to House Republicans: "Use the Farce."

      by edg on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 12:17:47 PM PDT

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  •  What hurts establishment Dems and Repubs... (3+ / 0-)

    ...but mostly Republicans...is the American public's return to populism. It was preempted on the Right at the start of the Great Recession by the elite interests that historically lean GOP. Problem is that the GOP isn't able to control the monster they created. Dems, OTOH, have been running away from populism since the late 70's.

    There are competing strains of populism; you could argue that the anti-government crowd is just as populist as Occupy Wall Street. What worries me is that the far right will control the populist narrative. I sure as hell don't expect the news media to give the left the same consideration and legitimization they give the nutjobs on the right.

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

    by grape crush on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:52:00 AM PDT

  •  The GOP can't talk a straight line. (7+ / 0-)

    When they talk about guns the constitution is king.

    When they talk about marriage the bible is king.

    Women's rights? Its the bible, stupid, not the constitution.

    When it comes to taxes its all about small government and no programs.

    When they talk about immigration and borders, security, and foreign wars, the government can't be too big, more is better.

    Ask them about building infrastructure in places like Afghanistan, they are all in. Build something here in the US? Hell no, that's a waste of money.

    Raise the minimum wage? No, bad. Higher pay for CEO's that are already wealthy? That's good.

    A perfect example of this doublespeak is Mitch McConnell saying he'll repeal Obamacare but keep KYNECT. Its a lie.

    A solid Dem candidate should be able to destroy these nutjobs.  

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:54:40 AM PDT

  •  I see no reason for joy (0+ / 0-)

    This is just going to contribute to the slow rot of our nation.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:55:59 AM PDT

  •  Krugman Nails it (1+ / 0-)
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    as usual.  

  •  I hope Krugman's right, but (4+ / 0-)

    sometimes guys just lose elections they were supposed win. And it isn't always because of some cosmic harmonic convergence, it's something local.  We need to think carefully about what this means.

    I remember trudging through the snow to in 2010 to cast my  vote for Martha Coakley in the Massachusetts Senate Election.  I'd never cast a vote for a Democratic candidate for anything with less enthusiasm -- and that includes Jon Silber. When Scott Brown won Teddy Kennedy's seat -- Teddy Kennedy's -- there was quite a bit of speculation over whether this was a sea change in Massachusetts politics.   It wasn't.   It was a base unhappy with dry powder Democrats, a weak candidate, and a slushy snowstorm.  Believe me ever after that Massaschuetts Democrats have got the GOTV religion.

    In VA-7 we had an establishment Republican in a district gerrymandered to concentrate Republican extremists. The idea that he'd be safe from a Tea Party challenge from the right isn't very credible. Local folks don't really care what a big wheel someone is in Washington, not unless they like him. If they don't like him, then being a big shot in DC is less than no help.  So the primary defeat of a cold, wet dishrag doesn't necessarily signal a sea change.

    We need perspective from closer to the ground to really make sense of what happened here.

    Maybe this is a sea change; that would be nice, because the thing about sea changes it that they just happen on their own.  You don't have to help them along.  Or maybe this is an opportunity, but if so, what kind of opportunity?

    I've lost my faith in nihilism

    by grumpynerd on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:10:35 AM PDT

  •  Cantor and Brat: Pepsi-Cola and Coca-Cola (1+ / 0-)
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    No substantive difference between the two in terms of how they vote. Both are obstructionists. True, Brat has the religious fundie overlay, but the end result and the votes will be exactly the same: No to everything the Democrats propose.

    And this is not an implosion or a supernova. This is simpler than Krugman makes it: The oligarchs want government out of the way. They have learned that they can accomplish this by starving it (The VA Hospitals, for example) and then complaining about it not working.  All they need is someone to obstruct the Democrats and to never cooperate with them except on face-saving measures or nice resolutions about the Girl Scouts.

    This is not an unraveling and does not portend the death of the Republican party. That has been greatly exaggerated as Mark Twain famously said.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 11:07:28 AM PDT

  •  over and over in the last 30 years (3+ / 0-)
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    I've thought that the GOP had finally burned itself for good (iran-Contra, Clinton impeachment, 9/11 negligence, and much more.) Yet here we are in 2014 and they have a majority in the House, the ability to paralyze the Senate and to cow the media, the support of the Supreme Court, and a President who refuses to call a spade a spade (it's always "Washington's" fault).  

    So I think the news of the demise of the GOP have been greatly exaggerated.  With very few exceptions, Democrats simply don't seem to have what it takes to take the reins of power and turn this country in the right direction.

  •  Popcorn time? Try bullet-proof vest time (0+ / 0-)

    When the divorced-from-reality folks goal is to allow everyone, including and especially the other divorced-from-reality folks to stockpile any sort of gun, popcorn won't help.


    There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

    by bobinson on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 04:44:26 PM PDT

  •  there's also discontent on the left (1+ / 0-)
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    if HRC gets the dem nom, 2016 will be looked back as the election that got 3rd parties in the door.

    Neither tea baggers nor the libertarian minded are happy with the RNC.

    Though discontent on the left isn't as close to boiling as it is on the right, most progressives are EXTREMELY unhappy with Obamas (and our own party's) continual undermining of progressive positions regarding health care, Keystone XL, Wall St. ad infinitum.

    Hillary is just more of the same corporatist crap.

    Surf the blogs and websites geared to late teens and mid-twentysomethings.  There's alot of hunger for a new approach.  If HRC gets the nom, younger voters will see the Dem Party isn't serious about changing anything they care about.

    Precisely what the tea baggers and social conservatives are finally wising up to regarding the RNC.

    elipsii: helping the masses express aposiopesis for...

    by bnasley on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 05:41:19 PM PDT

    •  I don't think so (1+ / 0-)
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      most progressives are EXTREMELY unhappy with Obamas (and our own party's) continual undermining of progressive positions regarding health care, Keystone XL, Wall St. ad infinitum.
      Polls say otherwise my friend.

      Obama has always polled higher with progressives than anyone else and Hillary polls higher with them than anyone else.

      Surf the blogs and websites geared to late teens and mid-twentysomethings.  There's alot of hunger for a new approach.  
      We've been hearing this for years. We were told Occupy Wall Street was the beginning, it fizzled out. I do agree that there's a hunger for a new approach, but we underestimate how much personal difference and geopolitics drives American politics.

      Kentucky may want the same thing as California, but they will never vote the same way because they resent each other.

  •  In the end, there can be only One ... (0+ / 0-)

    True Conservative Leader.  All others will be found to lack the requisite purity of belief, absolute faith and unbending conviction necessary to set aside science, reason and reality wherever those Satanic forces appear.  Only the True Conservative Leader is worthy of conservative votes.  Find the conservative who is purest among you, my conservative friends, and support no other, for the others are only RINOs.

  •  I'm just not sure (0+ / 0-)

    this is something to be hoped for. Don't get me wrong, I want the reactionary rabid conservative/libertarians as far away from electoral office as possible, but I have no illusions that they and their adherents will go quietly into that dark night. It's gonna get ugly before it gets better and the steady loss of "moderate" republican voices just means it will get uglier faster and deeper than might otherwise have been the case.

    "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Arabiflora on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:23:45 PM PDT

  •  Cantor's Lost due to GOP insanity (0+ / 0-)

    Cantor's lost is due to the irresponsible and insane actions of the GOP. They are their worst enemy.  They allowed the Tea Party and it's extremist ideology to pander to its base not accepting that sooner than later the base would see the deception and distractions for what they are LIES!

  •  Awesome. It only took Cultural Conservatives ab... (1+ / 0-)
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    Awesome. It only took Cultural Conservatives about 30 years to get wise - if there ARE, in fact, wise. In the meantime, plutocrats used them to inflict a serious amount of damage on American society.

  •  I think the ending was a little cavalier... (0+ / 0-)

    It's not time for popcorn because we don't get to just sit by as observers....we are going to be living with even more radical right policies until we can get these crazies out of office...which is going to be tough in the short-term considering what they accomplished during redistricting.  Look at some of the states that you used to be able to count on as fairly liberal...they are fighting to keep basic voting rights, actually ALL states are fighting to keep basic voting rights. The defunding of public institutions doesn't reverse in one election cycle...not after they've destroyed the public infrastructure or signed long term legally binding contracts. What is mind-boggling is that these people think they are patriots for what, in any other environment, would be called treason. We've got people with such poor critical thinking skills that they think toppling the federal government is in keeping with the true spirit of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution...who do they think created the federal government?  This is going to get more violent and uglier... and we are running out of time on a lot of levels for dealing with this level of insanity!  So, no, I don't think popcorn is what is called for. Maybe a few more people who don't think democracy is a spectator sport....

  •  Krugman is at best, pre-mature (1+ / 0-)
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    about the TP fading away. I live in Yavapai County, Arizona. Here the GOP has been literally taken over by the TP. God, Guns, Babies, and Big Government, are still the big issues. In Prescott Valley on July 10th Ted Nugent has found a refuge to perform---an event sponsored by a gun dealer and the owner of an Liquid Propane distributorship.
    That is how nuts this area is, but I think most of America has gone stupid, too.

  •  Don't be sure of all Dems... (0+ / 0-)

    as we know, some Dems simply switched jackets to get into office. These traitors are still GOP. They need to removed asap.

    If we remove the fake Dems, we will need a deeper bench of popular Progressives. Without that lineup, we can't be sure of compete success.

    I am cheered by the emergence of really interesting female candidates and new office holders. Gender is not important but women vote in greater numbers uniformly. Message and actions must be consistent over time. These female candidates also need funding and face obstructions from both parties in getting adequate funding for elections. That has to be overcome for Dems.

    Without campaign finance reforms supported by a useful Congress, we will never see effective reforms and games will continue to be played on the American people. This would include state campaigns, too. For example: getting information about local candidates is almost impossible but they are on the ballot anyway. Ohio has a real problem with unknown candidates and sudden unknown issues on the ballot. This comes from both parties. Who is controlling information? Why?

    If we took campaign finance reforms seriously, we would never have seen the corrupt tea party GOP-infected Congress at all. We will see reforms achieved but not with the current mob of criminals occupying space in the tea party GOP Congress we have now.

    Voters have to get educated and voters have to show up and vote. At this time, only 50% show at presidential elections and only 30% of all voters show for non-presidential elections.

    I would suggest that both parties start talking to voters on a regular basis and use facts. Both parties and their candidates need to respond to contacts from voters. We don't need party generated newsletters from national committees. We need informative responses instead.

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  •   The Marriage Equality Earthquake! We shouldn't (0+ / 0-)

    think Gay Marriage as fast or shifty. Years from now when Gay Pride turns into maturity, it might remember a longer path to where they are today, the Milk stamp, and their battle isn't over!
    I hope every Pride Parade is more rambunctious than ever, while others tell of the long struggle.
    I think, Men and Women witnessed a group whose Civil Rights were being trampled and together, brought an end, along with the greatest chess match between President Obama and the Senate. (More correct might mean their lobbyists)

    The majority of the people were for extending Civil Rights and the major fail for the Right wing Congress was ignore their constituents.
    Anymore, the way people vote people out these days is to stay away from the Poll Booth.

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:20:36 PM PDT

  •  I don't think the Republicans are going away... (0+ / 0-)

    any time soon.  It just means they will be even MORE obstructionist because that makes them "authentic" to their base, which is steadily drawing ever rightward, just as the Left's base is drawing even more leftward.

    There was a recent poll that showed polarization is growing and deepening

    http://www.people-press.org/...

  •  Everyone please remember! (1+ / 0-)
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    I have been reading many posts and find some of this is  goobly-gock. I want to remind everyone that very few turned out to vote for Cantor's election. I believe that is why his extremist right-wing Brat won in the first place. Everyone here, WE MUST ALL VOTE IN 2014! Period.

    •  The ballot box (0+ / 0-)

      Absolutely, EVERY election is an important election. Do not stay home-voting is your only chance to speak your voice, that day all are equal at the ballot box. Even the Koch bros. aren't counted, at that moment, any more than you. Vote absentee if you must, but VOTE!  See in there!!

  •  It only took 3 decades (0+ / 0-)

    for the sheeple to catch on to the act.

    "Heavens to Murgatroyd!" - Snagglepuss
    (R)Hanna-Barbera

  •  Not Jeff, jeff's wife posting (1+ / 0-)
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    A lot of people (I mean politidogs) are curbing on the "seismic shift" dialogue and now saying "it really isn't a big deal" Let's see, since the "2nd in command" post was created in 1899, none has EVER lost his primary (that's how many 2 year elections? I don't feel up to the math) Cantor was booted for 3 reasons.

    #1, Immigration (because Midlothian has an overwhelming illegal immigrant problem ( snark)

    #2, the Dems got out the vote (and there probably IS something to that, probably a few hundred at the least)

    #3 (and this IS the biggie) Cantor just simply could not find it important enough to go to his electorate. One week before the primary, where was he? EVERYWHERE but in the 7th! Fundraisers in California to DC, but NOT in Va's corridor. And THAT cost him the primary more than ANYTHING else!

    Don't take life seriously; you'll never get out of it alive.

    by jeffconn on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:01:26 PM PDT

  •  Moving Targets (0+ / 0-)

    The thing about Cantor's defeat is that it was wrought by TP gang that numbered a mere 36,000 alienated souls.  I find it a bit dicey trying to draw too many hard an fast conclusion from such a small sampling of voters.

    But there's no telling where this will end up.  Some of the TP positions closely parallel the left especially with regard to the corporate and elitist oligarchy we call our government.  If they rid themselves of the racists and religious bigots, the left and TP could unite around a common enemy...

    C'mon, weirder things have happened!!

  •  I'm just glad the tea party chose the Republicans. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm just glad the tea party chose the Republicans.

  •  Don't get too excited yet... The thing that got... (0+ / 0-)

    Don't get too excited yet...

    The thing that got created in Texas and the South was based on rich oil company interests being sold on the useful way evangelicals can be wound up and turned loose. Over forty years of this, the evangelicals have decided they should be in control, since the true believer base really is the key to turnout at the precinct level.

    The more businesslike 1950s era Republicans must be wondering what now. But many of them are retired.

    I think that the evangelicals are going to continue to grow in influence because they offer people a sense of comfort in common cause with trying to roll back the clock on the increasing complexity of life. There could be elections won on that .

    •  Evangelicals (0+ / 0-)

      influence is waning even in these tough economic times. They seem ony to have influence with a smaller and smaller group of people.  Their peak was 2004 and it's been downhill since then for them.

      It's the policy stupid

      by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:26:32 PM PDT

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      •  That idea has been going around. (0+ / 0-)

        Personally, I wouldn't take that assumption to the bank just yet.  There is a lot of bite left in that old rattlesnake.

        I think Democrats in general want to believe this too much.

        hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

        by Stuart Heady on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 02:48:28 PM PDT

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  •  We are assuming accurate reported vote tallies (0+ / 0-)

    What if the proprietary (secretly counted) vote tallies are incorrect for Cantor's primary?  With paperless e-ballots there is no way to manually audit independent of the software.  

    If our assumptions about the reported results are wrong, so are our analyses of what it means for Democrats.

  •  Popcorn time (0+ / 0-)

    While the rest of us are being entertained keep in mind that our Constitution has made it possible for as few as 110 representatives in the House to shut the government down and default on the debt until we can get organize and carry out a change to the constitution via the Article 5 process.  I think most of us view such a scenario as catastrophic.
    So the grand performance we are viewing in this first part of the 21st century is really a test of the efficacy of our Constitution and our form of government.  It is beginning to look like a horror movie where the bullets, blades and poisons are starting to leave the screen and attack the audience.
    Flatmotor

  •  Just remember after a nova, (0+ / 0-)

    usually means a collapse to a dwarf star or even a black hole.  Both are high density bodies that increase in gravity until nothing is left around them.

  •  Krugman is status quo himself out of the Ivy (0+ / 0-)

    League cloth so what is really going on is the unknown developing plan of a 3rd political party that will bring Mr. Krugman himself front and center to explain exactly not what his blogs and writings are about, for or against but rather get his explanation on what he has been writing around.

    His very best liberal or people offering leaves about 60 million people out in the plan he is devising.

    He is a member of a totally unneeded and uncalled for Fraternity known as an economist. Not the one that nails. It is the carpenter that nails it when building the real America.

    If the people in Kentucky were truly religious and Christian as they tell themselves as being then they wouldn't re-elect and send Senator Mitch McConnell back to the senate year after year.

    by leepearson on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:52:38 PM PDT

  •  Once again Krugman misses the point (0+ / 0-)

    The only difference between the tea baggers and their mainstream GOP brethren is that the former have realized that the neocons serve their corporate masters and the oligarchy.

    The tea baggers will still use all the same hot button issues like abortion, gay marriage and immigration to fire up their base, but they have one important message that adds dramatically to their popularity.  It's a populist message that would ring true on both sides of the aisle, thanks to the neolibs.

    That's because if you scratch the surface of neocons and neolibs you find pretty much the very same animal - a tool that dependably votes against their constituents' best interest and in favor of the oligarchy.

    You can't expect Krugman to notice that because he's the biggest neolib apologist out there, and sometimes I wonder if Paul even realizes it.

    It's embarrassing that the tea baggers recognize the neos for what they are even more than the progressives do, and it's time for us to make use of that same populist message, quickly, before the tea baggers use it to take over the country.

    Liz Warren in '16!!!

  •  Divorced from reality (1+ / 0-)
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    "The Republican party is about to go nova. The conservative movement has been feeding itself on the marketing deception that it was crazy.  Now Republican candidates have to actually be divorced from reality to get elected."

    Well, quite a lot have been divorced from reality since the 1980s, actually, but the Wall Street faction kept them on a leash. It now appears they have broken off that leash. This is a bit of a quandary for the Wall Street Boys, as they love the "privatize everything" goal of the crazies but they're not so fond of the "Washed in the Blood of Jesus" Southern Baptist/Evangelist aspect that is now in total control.

    Popcorn? This isn't funny or entertaining. It's Civil War II.

    "Nationalism, religious bigotry and feudal loyalty are far more powerful forces than…sanity." —George Orwell, “Wells, Hitler and the World State” (1941)

    by Blood on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:14:19 PM PDT

  •  I would (0+ / 0-)

    say Krugman is mostly right though the real start of the collapse was the end of the cold war. It was the glue that held it all together. Since then they have been jacking up the culture war rhetoric to try to make up for the lack of a single cohesive issue.

    It's the policy stupid

    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:23:54 PM PDT

  •  Krugman and Virginia Repuglican primary (1+ / 0-)
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    Krugman got it wrong.  Only a very small percentage of Repugs bothered to vote, because they thought Cantor was a shoe-in.  Bratt won by default--a warning to all of us about hubris.

  •  While I would love for this to be true, I wouldn't (0+ / 0-)

    start counting up democratic victories just yet.

  •  almost (0+ / 0-)

    While not acknowledged, our "left" has also been pulled well to the right (esp. since B. Clinton), especially on socioeconomic issues. Liberals continue to drum home the Middle Class Only theme (with an occasional pat on the head to the working poor), and the poor continue to be dismissed as non-people. We know that not everyone can work, due to health or circumstances, and that there simply aren't jobs available for all who urgently need one. The US shipped out a huge chunk of our working class jobs since the 1980s, and then ended basic poverty relief in the 1990s. Lib media implicitly supports the idea that everyone is able to work, and there are jobs for all who need one. Our form of capitalism works so well that there is no need for a system of poverty relief, right?

  •  If you guys really believe this... (0+ / 0-)

    Then you're in for a big surprise.
    It's actually quite the opposite. Conservatism is on the rise. A conservative economist won against a decidedly liberal Republican. Not sure you are aware, but Mr Brat spent less than 200,000 dollars and won, while Cantor spent 40 times that amount and lost. It shows how liberal he was with money, and proves to most common sense people that he was NOT Conservative. Enjoy living in your fantasy world while the rest of the world corrects the errors of the past few decades.

  •  Krugman has an interesting way of looking at it. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure all of that can really be read from one primary in one district, but I can believe that a lot of politicians might overreact to Bates win and try to get lessons out of it. Krugman makes an interesting point about candidates having to be genuinely crazy, instead of just being oligarchs who use extreme rhetoric. That seems to have been something of a trend for awhile, with the rise of Ted Cruz, etc. But I still think conservatism is based on racism and ignorance. Some people might have seen through Cantor (probably with the help of talk radio), but Bates also had a stronger appeal to racism with his anti immigration stance. A tenet of conservatism is, "we worked hard so we don't want to pay taxes for racial minorities to freeload in the cities". Cantor was too sympathetic to brown children for them.

    Krugman does have a point about anti Wall Street sentiment though. He convinced me that I underestimated its part in the equation (ignorance + racism = conservatism). There has also been a "we work hard and we don't want to pay taxes to bail out big banks" sentiment that supports Krugman's view. That has also been there for awhile, but it hasn't gone away.

    One of Krugman's most interesting contentions was that the "overnight" rise in support for gay rights is a sign that social values are changing fast. I looked at it as more of an aberration. I attribute it more to a movement by gays to get each other to come out. People's attitudes changed because they realized they have gay friends, co-workers, relatives, neighbors, and media personalities. I don't think other social attitudes will change as fast. I do think the Obama presidency will do a lot to decrease racism though. There was a backlash to it, but it will be one step back and two forward.

  •  This is what happens through gerrymandering (1+ / 0-)
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    GrannyG

    Gerrymandering just concentrates the base, and moves it further in the direction it is going. A more equitable division would have a balance of voters that would prevent extremism, but excluding dissenting voices just allows the crazy to get crazier, until people are afraid to confront it.

    Maybe a federal standard for drawing voting districts that prevented gerrymandering might dilute the crazy.

  •  Except most tea party candidates (0+ / 0-)

    lost in the primaries. Cantor was the exception to the rule.

    Nahhhhh we'll get more do nothing GOP Congress' and we'll repeat another 2006 Wall Street induced economic collapse. We'll also do precious little to save our environment.

    -7.5 -7.28, Jesus was a socialist

    by Blueslide on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 05:15:25 AM PDT

  •  Shades of Karl Rove (0+ / 0-)

    I thought Krugman was an economist, professionally applying his knowledge to the facts of the world.  By writing like he's the other party's Karl Rove, he's calling his professionalism into question, for those who care about such things. . .

  •  very true , but the gop is too (1+ / 0-)
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    Krugman:  has said it correctly, but what we are witnessing is a evolving gop party, and it is not good. It is the confederacy in remake; all Evil to the core.Its trying to takeover the Federal government, and the nation.The confederacy was Evil, as is the gop in what it is/has digressed too in it's make up.

  •  About Eric Cantor (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think I would jump to any conclusion too quickly.  This is only one republican from the Tea Party and quite a few of them that are running are doing quite well.

    The pot is still boiling.

  •  "CONSERVATISM IS "RAVELING BEFORE OUR EYES" (0+ / 0-)

    "Krugman nails it- The Fix Isn't In"
    BINGO Mr. Krugman

  •  Cantor's Defeat (0+ / 0-)

    I refuse to put too much stock one way or another in the defeat of any Republican candidate by a radical teabagger who gained a majority of the votes (about 7 percent overall) in an election that only 12 percent of the eligible voters participated in.  

    I read Krugman's editorial on Friday and wondered how a numbers guy like Krugman could fall for this "seismic" shift BS, the way the rest of the mainstream fools did, and then I remembered that he, like everyone else who commented in the public sphere has a job, in his case, a column to write, and must fill it with something and took his analysis with a giant grain of salt.

    In short, in spite of what most other commentators have said about this.  I am taking it for what it most certainly is, an anomaly at least as disconcerting as the primary selection of Christine "I am not a witch"  O'Donnell.  The similarities do not end there, Brat is just as much of a Calvinist Christian whack job as  O'Donnell was, who sees Randian free market capitalism as completely compatible with christianity and christian teachings.  The really sad difference is that in her state there were more rational people than crazies, that may not be the case in Virginia's 7th District.  Only time will tell!

  •  It's very simple. (0+ / 0-)

    Those who want tax fairness, non-discrimination,  opportunity, quality affordable education, living wages, voter rights and a fighting chance at the American Dream will vote Democrat in 2016.

  •  "Popcorn time"? (0+ / 0-)

    Be prepared for more -- directly political -- violence.

    Hope you enjoy it.  

    A very few of us have been warning of this for nearly twenty-five years.  Y'all laughed, comforting yourselves that it's all "fringe".  Yes, it is fringe -- has been all along.  But it is also armed, unleashed ID.

    There are times when laughing condescendingly constitutes whistling past the graveyard.

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 06:17:48 PM PDT

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