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So, in case you haven't heard, Republicans have their "proof" of voter fraud being a problem.

According to Jonathan Kaminsky of Huffington Post:

Alabama Republicans, who offered a $1,000 reward for substantiated reports of voter fraud in this month's primary elections, said on Thursday they plan to forward credible evidence of wrongdoing to state prosecutors.
And what is this "wrongdoing?"
The allegations collected by Alabama Republicans include a candidate improperly offering to assist voters in filling out their ballots, a woman who was wrongly told she had signed up to vote absentee and could only cast a provisional ballot in person and cases in which voters were told they could only vote for Democratic candidates, Armistead said.

Now let's think about this for a second.

First, none of these cases of "voter" fraud are actions by "voters" or "fraudulent."

At worst there are a few cases of judges making mistakes, but even that has to be taken with a grain of salt because they were reported by a "hotline" per the report.

The signs, which provided a hotline to call in reports of fraud and offered a reward, did not indicate any affiliation with the Republican Party. Most of those calling in were Democrats, Armistead said.
So, it's possible that the people who were calling in were unaware of what the rules were and were under the impression that "improper" assistance was improper when it wasn't.

That most of those calling in were Democrats, and that it was a primary election, though, brings up another interesting point, and by interesting I mean straight-up comical.

That's the "complaint" that you had to vote for Democrats. It's a primary. Most people calling in (in Alabama, no less) are Democrats. Stands to reason that these were put up in Democratic primaries, where guess what, you can only vote for Democrats.

Guess what? You can only vote for Republicans in a Republican primary.

"It's not just a rumor or a wives' tale, it is actually happening," said Alabama Republican Party Chairman Bill Armistead. "Anyone talking advantage and creating fraud at a polling place needs to be prosecuted."
Yep. We need to prosecute those Democrats for making people vote Democrat in a Democratic primary! Makes perfect sense to me!
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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

    by backell on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 01:02:25 PM PDT

  •  Primaries, the ultimate voter fraud. (4+ / 0-)
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    backell, BRog, ZedMont, Lujane

    What do you mean I can't vote Michelle Nunn in the GOP senate primary!? I can't pick Grimes in the GOP senate primary in Kentucky either!? The nerve of the people printing these ballots!

  •  Vote for any party (3+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, Mr Robert, Lujane

    The voter in Alabama declares which party they prefer when they sign the poll book.  Then they are handed a primary ballot for that party.

    My state used to have open primaries.  They then switched to preference primaries, very many voters didn't like that, and now we have two vote getters go on the ballot even if they are the same party or some splinter party.

    •  Somewhat similar here in Texas, but... (2+ / 0-)
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      backell, Lujane

      You have to decide before you go to the polls. This year it turned out that for my precinct the Republican primary and Democratic primary were in two entirely different locations; so I couldn't wait until the last minute to make a decision.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 01:39:03 PM PDT

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    •  I think you misunderstand (4+ / 0-)
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      ZedMont, Karl Rover, Odysseus, Lujane

      Yes, you can vote for any party. Open primaries are one thing. You don't have to be a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary, but you still have to vote for a Democrat in the Democratic primary.

      If you want to vote for a Republican, cast a ballot in the Republican primary.

      Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

      by backell on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 01:42:13 PM PDT

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      •  So, what actually happened is that an election (2+ / 0-)
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        Lujane, Metric Only

        judge at a Democratic primary encountered someone who wanted to vote for a Republican, and the judge correctly told them they could only vote for a Democrat.  Hopefully they added "at this polling location."  

        That may be the point of confusion.  The voter must not have realized there were two polling places.  I encountered that for the first time this year, having always voted at a joint Republican/Democratic polling place, and thinking that's where I was.  

        I was taken aback by a sign right outside the door of the polling place that said "Vote Democratic."  I thought "that's too close and illegal."  It was only after I got inside that I learned it was a Democratic-only polling place.

        I looked confused (and dazed) and was about to ask about that sign when an election worker asked me if I wanted to vote in the Democratic primary.  I said yes, and she said well, you've come to the right place.  So, the Republicans are somewhere else? I asked and she said yes, and told me the address.

        It's very confusing if you've never seen it before.  Especially at my age and with the number of primaries I've voted in over the years.  

        Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

        by ZedMont on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:00:46 PM PDT

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        •  My guess is it's something like that (2+ / 0-)
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          And that it was some confused person wondering why they had to vote for a Democrat.

          It's hard to believe in Alabama they're stacking elections for the Dems.

          Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

          by backell on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:19:59 PM PDT

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          •  Republicans think any election (4+ / 0-)
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            in which the Democrats get at least one vote is stacked ;) They think all Americans are Conservative Republicans.

          •  The Democratic Primary Issue May Be Confusion... (1+ / 0-)
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            But I wonder if the Diarist was correct with this:

            a candidate improperly offering to assist voters in filling out their ballots
            If the candidate was "at the Polling Place" and assisting a voter in filling out their ballot, most states consider this a violation of several voting laws.  I am not familiar with Alabama election laws and the information cited by the Diarist is not very complete.  It is possible that the candidate was helping a voter with a sample ballot a legal distance from the polling place.

            Voter fraud is actually pretty common in this country.  It primarily affects local elections not State or National.  And because when it happens the voter is not charged with a crime and prosecuted, it doesn't show up in statistics.

            •  I'm not saying it wasn't or was (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm saying that someone might have misinterpreted something as that. We're talking about the same group of people who couldn't figure out that you can only vote for people in the party of the primary you're voting on. There's a good chance the other things aren't clear either.

              Either way, it's not "voter fraud," though because it's not the VOTER at fault. It's a myth perpetuated by right-wingers trying to keep minorities from voting. Voter IDs are nothing more than modern-day Jim Crow laws.

              You can't simply state something happens commonly and then state there is no way to back it up. How do you know that?

              Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

              by backell on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:33:53 PM PDT

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              •  And for the record (1+ / 0-)
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                The information provided by the Republicans saying they found "proof of voter fraud" wasn't complete. I literally gave you everything they reported.

                Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

                by backell on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:35:25 PM PDT

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            •  "Voter fraud is actually pretty common in this (1+ / 0-)
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              Prove it.

              To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

              by UntimelyRippd on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:40:32 PM PDT

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              •  We Have Become A Very Mobile Society... (0+ / 0-)

                We move very frequently.  When you move you change your residence.  When your residence changes you are required to change your Voter Registration.  Many people don't change all the things they should (like Drivers License and Voter Registration) in a timely manner because we have such busy schedules.  A lot of people that make local moves continue to vote in their old Precinct, for a variety of reasons.  This doesn't affect Statewide or National elections only local elections.

                I know what you are going to say: I would never do that and nobody I know would ever do that!

                But I assure you on any close local election if the vote difference after the recount was 1 or 2 votes, enough of these "minor" voting irregularities can be found to nullify the election and force a new election.

                •  Meh. (0+ / 0-)

                  To the extent it happens (and I note, you provide no evidence), it's a wash.

                  To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                  by UntimelyRippd on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:51:06 PM PDT

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                •  Meh (0+ / 0-)

                  I don't think that there's either enough evidence of the commonness of such things, that it influences local elections or that it constitutes "fraud" is there. Whatever it is, the "solution" of voter IDs wouldn't affect this.

                  Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

                  by backell on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:25:34 AM PDT

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            •  perhaps helping a blind voter? (1+ / 0-)
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              It is legal to assist blind and visually impaired voters with their ballots.

              "Everybody wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die" --- Albert King

              by HarpboyAK on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:35:24 PM PDT

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  •  Although Florida is a closed primary state, I c... (0+ / 0-)

    Although Florida is a closed primary state, I can vote for a Republican in the Democratic primary for governor. Not that I would...

  •  If I recall correctly, Alaska used to have (0+ / 0-)

    a truly open primary where you would show up and be handed a ballot with all the candidates listed. You could only vote for one candidate, but it could be a Democrat, Republican or independent.  Thus you could vote for a Democrat in the senate race, a Republican in the house race, and back to Democrats in the state races.  The Alaska GOP sued in a case that went to SCOTUS to have their own closed primary.  Their argument was that only their "members" should get to pick their candidates.  My thought at the time was, "Fine, then pay for your own election."

    A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, Congress shall have the power to pass necessary regulations.

    by Fiddler On A Hot Tin Roof on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:03:31 PM PDT

    •  Just looked it up to see if my memory (0+ / 0-)

      was correct.  This was known as a blanket primary.  The Alaska GOP lost its case before the Alaska GOP and the SCOTUS declined to take the case.  However, the SCOTUS later took up a case from California and declared the blanket primary violated a party's right of association.

      In the first primary after the California decision, Alaska's Republicans had a separate primary ballot with only Republican candidates and in which only registered Republicans could vote.  After that primary they allowed Republicans and anyone registered as a voter with no specified party affiliation to vote in their primary.  The Democrats, Alaska Independence Party, and the Green Party continued to use a modified blanket primary system where all candidates except Republicans appear on the ballot, and any registered voter can vote except registered Republicans.

      A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, Congress shall have the power to pass necessary regulations.

      by Fiddler On A Hot Tin Roof on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:23:18 PM PDT

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  •  Anyone can write in anyone in an election (0+ / 0-)

    Do they not have write-ins in Alabama?

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

    by ecostar on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:58:34 PM PDT

  •  I wonder if Republicans voted in the Dem primary (0+ / 0-)

    ...simply so they could call the Alabama GOP's voter fraud hotline and complain about having to vote for Democrats in a Democratic primary.

    Alabama Republicans are some of the stupidest people I've ever heard about.

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