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The controversy started with a post on the Facebook Page Victoria's Victories. It read: 'Does this face look scary to you?

Maybe you've read the headline KFC probes whether scarred girl was asked to leave
(http://www.wspa.com/...)

Here is what is supposed to have happened:

1) A 3 year old lost one eye and control of the nerves on one side of her face in an April bull dog in Jackson, Mississippi.

2) She cannot eat solid food and is tube fed. She loves Kentucky Fried Chicken and wanted some mashed potatoes. Her grandma, Kelly Mullins, obliged after a visit to the doctor.

3) It is alleged that restaurant employees asked the grandma to take her food as takeout and leave because her facial injuries disturbed other patrons. Her grandmoher told WAPT-TV that, "They just told us, they said, 'We have to ask you to leave because her face is disrupting our customers,'" she told WAPT-TV (http://bit.ly/...).

Victoria wept all the way home and now is embarrassed by her appearance - something that wasn't the case before, Mullins said.

"She won't even look in the mirror anymore," Mullins said. "When we go to a store, she doesn't even want to get out" of the car.

The allegation about KFC was made Thursday on "Victoria's Victories," by a Facebook page following Victoria Wilcher's recovery from a pit bull attack in April. The administrator posted a photo showing Victoria smiling shyly in spite of her facial scars and cartoon-decorated eye patch, and wrote, "Does this look scary to you? Last week at KFC in Jackson MS this precious face was asked to leave because her face scared the other diners."

KFC posted an apology the next morning, requesting details.

The company is also giving $30,000 toward Victoria Wilcher's medical bills, a spokesman said Sunday. KFC is also planning to give the entire family and friends the "biggest and best Fried Chicken Picnic feast ever." once she is well enough to enjoy.

"As soon as we were notified of this report on Friday, we immediately began an investigation, as this kind of hurtful and disrespectful action would not be tolerated by KFC. Regardless of the outcome of our investigation, we have apologized to Victoria's family and are committed to assisting them.

Victoria was attacked by pit bulls at her grandfather's home. The dogs broke her nose, both jaws, cheekbones and right eye socket; the right side of her face is paralyzed and she lost that eye, according to her Facebook site. Her bottom jaw was reconstructed but she needs a feeding tube and must grow more bone in her face before more surgery is possible, it states. (http://aattp.org/...)

The grandfather and his girlfriend kept 10 pit bulls in his backyard, and the three that attacked the child burst through the back door of the residence while she was playing. Both the grandfather and his girlfriend were bitten in the attack as they tried to defend the girl  Two of the dogs were shot and killed by the grandfather during the altercation. Both have been charge with child endangerment. (with thanks to SGA here at DK for this source: http://www.clarionledger.com/... )


Here is what I am wondering. Assuming that the events went down a they are recorded here....What went through the minds of those customers? those employees? when this happened? What sense of entitlement seized them? What narcissistic impulse took over? What mean-spirited sense of self-righteousness ruled the day? The evidence builds that in some places it is perfectly fine not to give a damn about your fellow human beings. It helps me understand why there is so little compassion in play as a whole in many parts of our country.
For another "take" on this from another DK Diarist: http://www.dailykos.com/...

Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM PT: "Girl "tossed from KFC" Seems to Be a Hoax." Please see http://www.dailykos.com/... for a disturbing follow-up. It would appear that the people whose actions are disturbing in this story are in that poor kid's family.

Originally posted to murphthesurf3 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 05:36 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (32+ / 0-)

    "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

    by murphthesurf3 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 05:36:31 PM PDT

  •  I think the doctors did a great job on her (12+ / 0-)

    injuries.

    You may want to read & include Vetwifes diary: http://www.dailykos.com/...

    It says that intolerance in America is winning.

    Nancy Grace & Rec Al both covered this story.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 05:48:59 PM PDT

  •  I don't like people being fired but I would (6+ / 0-)

    consider it for the "person" who asked then to leave.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 05:52:57 PM PDT

    •  I'm not sure firing what could be a teenager (4+ / 0-)
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      making minimum wage is going to resolve the emotional trauma already exacerbated by patrons who have evil souls. However, I'd bet that employee has already been terminated and is probably guilt-ridden as well. This was tragic because people are so heartless and petty. Tough to go after what was probably an acne faced kid making minimum wage who was put in a horrible situation. I think KFC is owned by PepsiCo so I have to tip my hat to their quick response and gracious offer.

      Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

      by tazz on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 06:36:21 PM PDT

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      •  Adults work in fast food because there ain't (3+ / 0-)

        any jobs. I see very few teens working.

        I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

        by a2nite on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 06:57:49 PM PDT

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      •  Why do you ascribe such good thoughts to the (2+ / 0-)
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        employee.

        He/she may have been a jerk. Teens sometimes are. Again I ask was it the customers who were upset or the manager/employees?

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        by auapplemac on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 07:44:49 PM PDT

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        •  It's not good thoughts, I'm sorry if my anger or (4+ / 0-)

          thirst to beat up on someone is not as forceful as you might like. It was a horrible event for the child who needs a great deal more from professionals who can help her deal with so much pain and suffering in such a short period of time at such a young age. The story should be about her and not the assholes (including the employee(s)) responsible for this episode. My wanting some kind of justice against them is not going to help the little girl. In the end does it matter who we blame the most? Or is it more important to deal with the child's issues? The real culprit in this story is the owner of the dogs who disfigured her. That is who I am really mad at.

          Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

          by tazz on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:32:36 PM PDT

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          •  Excellent Points here... (2+ / 0-)
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            In the end does it matter who we blame the most? Or is it more important to deal with the child's issues? The real culprit in this story is the owner of the dogs who disfigured her. That is who I am really mad at.

            This is the story that has not been told...

            Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this)?

            We need to know all of that before going further in this. The education/awareness of the person or persons who did this (if it was done) affects not only that person/persons but also all of those who they will serve in the future and may even touch that little girl.

            I think you bring up an important point: what of those dogs and her relatives who owned them. I live in the country on a large farm holding with woods, lakes and a number of small plots for vegetable production.

            Dogs regularly wander through the property. The vast majority I have no problems with but pit bulls are another matter.

            There is a pair, part of the same litter, that belong to a neighbor. They are supposed to be in a fenced yard but they get out. When they show up on my property I call the neighbor and he has come and gotten them. Last week, with the dogs no longer puppies I notice that their stance was far more aggressive as they related to my two dogs, a Lab and a Beagle.

            I told my neighbor that if I senses his dogs were in any way a danger to my animals or my family, I would not hesitate to shoot them both. He was shocked. I had checked this out with the sheriff who said that this was my right. I also had my lawyer draw up a letter.

            I am deadly serious about this. I found this article very helpful. http://www.aspca.org/... It urges me not to over-react but to respond based on their behavior. I will.

            "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

            by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:32:13 AM PDT

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            •  Good for you! (0+ / 0-)

              This is exactly the proactive stance people need to take! These dogs are a potential danger to your pets, your family and you and I applaud you for taking responsible action!

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              by Mopshell on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:12:22 AM PDT

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      •  This is the story that has not been told... (1+ / 0-)
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        Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this)?

        "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

        by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:20:40 AM PDT

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    •  This is the part of the story still untold.... (0+ / 0-)

      Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this).?

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:19:30 AM PDT

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  •  Well, to nitpick here the question maybe should (2+ / 0-)
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    be "what does this say about KFC customers?" that than about "us" . .. .   considering that it's not entirely clear that there's a huge amount of overlap between the two groups.

    •  I thought about your point and even fiddled with (2+ / 0-)
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      the headline but then decided to leave it as is. I do get your point but I also think the story relates to what is becoming a way of being by many. "MY RIGHTS, MY NEEDS, MY DESIRES" trump YOURS all the time....seems to me to be the watchwords that guide so many of US these days.

      So I left it as is while acknowledging your insight.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:34:35 AM PDT

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  •  I know it was just crisis management, (17+ / 0-)

    but it was damn good crisis management, and on the right side of goodness: congrats to KFC for responding appropriately.

    No person is free except in the freedom of other persons, and that man's only real freedom is to know and faithfully occupy his place -- a much humbler place than we have been taught to think -- in the order of creation. (Wendell Berry)

    by DocDawg on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 06:00:16 PM PDT

    •  It is really incredible (11+ / 0-)

      Off the top of my head I can't think of any PR response that has been as swift and generous. Beats the hell out of the $50 credit given by the airline that made that little girl pee in her seat this week.

    •  well, no. They're doing the least possible they ca (0+ / 0-)

      n to make themselves look less completely shitty in the public eye.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:28:19 PM PDT

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      •  Still pretty generous compared to the typical.... (1+ / 0-)
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        corporate response where generosity is often viewed by attorney as an admission of culpability.

        "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

        by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:37:49 AM PDT

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        •  The $30 K is generous if it's that franchisee (0+ / 0-)

          if it's the whole multibillion-dollar Yum! Brands? yeah, not so much.

          LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 08:58:44 AM PDT

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          •  Good point.Something to look into N/T (0+ / 0-)

            "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

            by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 09:05:39 AM PDT

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          •  The franchise committed the offense (0+ / 0-)

            but corporate coughed up the dough. As far as we know corporate itself did nothing wrong...doesn't encourage or condone this nonsense...so $30K was very generous.

            Crisis management is, necessarily in part a balancing act. Had corporate gone over the top...say, given the family $100K...it would next find itself with a rash of accusations of similar events on its hands, most of them bogus. Even if you don't particularly give a damn about that, you should care about the innocent employees who would be the accused. So, like I say, it's a balancing act.

            No person is free except in the freedom of other persons, and that man's only real freedom is to know and faithfully occupy his place -- a much humbler place than we have been taught to think -- in the order of creation. (Wendell Berry)

            by DocDawg on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 09:36:55 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with you on this and add that KFC needs to (1+ / 0-)
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      tell us how they dealt with the employees involved. I hope that they did more than dismiss someone.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:35:54 AM PDT

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      •  What, you want a firing squad, too? nt (0+ / 0-)

        No person is free except in the freedom of other persons, and that man's only real freedom is to know and faithfully occupy his place -- a much humbler place than we have been taught to think -- in the order of creation. (Wendell Berry)

        by DocDawg on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 09:31:43 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, I am suggesting that there is a range of (1+ / 0-)
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          actions that can be taken. Firing someone is often the least desirable. An apology to the little girl, retraining, closer supervision especially with a new or young employee is often the better idea.

          "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

          by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 11:07:46 AM PDT

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  •  This could have been so much different (16+ / 0-)

    if the manager had simply used his/her head and told the people who initially complained that if they were feeling uncomfortable they should consider leaving themselves. Offer to refund their meal cost, and show them the door.

    How can anybody look at that beautiful little girl, and feel anything but sympathy?

    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

    by Wayward Wind on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 06:01:09 PM PDT

    •  I agree, but I've taken my grandchildren to the (3+ / 0-)
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      local KFC and there wasn't an employee who looked more than 16. That's not excusing them but this episode was stirred up by adults who have no sense of humanity. I'm not sure every 16 year old making minimum wage is mature enough to make such a reasoned response.

      Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

      by tazz on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 06:48:14 PM PDT

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      •  I agree and disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        I agree that the customer who started this is the person most responsible - I don't know that we will ever know who made the initial complaint, but I would hate to be that person if indeed he/she is identified.

        I disagree to the extent that 16 year olds would have the maturity to deal with this issue - I have met many who exhibited far better judgment than the adults around them. If they are uncertain, get a manager or someone higher up the food chain involved.

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:07:18 PM PDT

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        •  Not excusing anyone, even if they were teens (2+ / 0-)
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          but what's the purpose of directing all our anger at assholes who have no heart or compassion. When first reading this story this afternoon, the first response I had (since one of my children bears scars from a dog attack 20 years later), was what happened with the owner of those dogs. I was just wondering what the point of all the emotion toward an employee who may not have been mature enough, or smart enough to know better than to listen to one or more patrons. I'm sure that employee is gone. I think the people who originated the complaint know the story is headline news around the country and have to deal with their own evil when they look in the mirror. I don't think they'll go to jail so if they have any heart at all, maybe justice will be served by them never sleeping well again.

          Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others....Groucho Marx

          by tazz on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 08:46:01 PM PDT

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          •  If what I read is accurate (1+ / 0-)
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            the owner of the dogs - grandfather to the little girl - and his girlfriend have both been charged criminally, and rightfully so.

            I suspect that you are correct the the employee who made the decision to ask the grandmother and little girl to leave is now an ex-employee, although that has not been mentioned in anything that I have read.

            Finally, I think you give to much credit for having a conscience to the person who initiated the complaint - if they had any decency, they would not have done it in the first place, and I suspect that they will have no problem looking into a mirror or trying to justify their horrible behavior.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 09:14:00 PM PDT

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          •  Insight-filled (1+ / 0-)
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            This is the part of the story still untold....

            I have been post this caveat in many of my replies.

            Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this).?

            SO, we need to pause....

            A far more important issue is the grandparents and those dogs.

            I think you bring up an important point: what of those dogs and her relatives who owned them. I live in the country on a large farm holding with woods, lakes and a number of small plots for vegetable production.

            Dogs regularly wander through the property. The vast majority I have no problems with but pit bulls are another matter.

            There is a pair, part of the same litter, that belong to a neighbor. They are supposed to be in a fenced yard but they get out. When they show up on my property I call the neighbor and he has come and gotten them. Last week, with the dogs no longer puppies I notice that their stance was far more aggressive as they related to my two dogs, a Lab and a Beagle.

            I told my neighbor that if I senses his dogs were in any way a danger to my animals or my family, I would not hesitate to shoot them both. He was shocked. I had checked this out with the sheriff who said that this was my right. I also had my lawyer draw up a letter.

            I am deadly serious about this. I found this article very helpful. http://www.aspca.org/.... It urges me not to over-react but to respond based on their behavior. I will.

            "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

            by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:45:18 AM PDT

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        •  This is the part of the story still untold.... (1+ / 0-)
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          Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this).?

          Your comment about the 16 year old is an important one. We cannot assume that youth means callous, unconcerned and selfish. I have met many young people who quite the opposite.

          "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

          by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:42:18 AM PDT

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    •  This is the part of the story still untold.... (0+ / 0-)

      Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this).?

      I agree that your response is the one that a competent manager should have provided. AND, I would have comp's the grandparent and kid meal with an invite to come back anytime with the family for a dinner "on us."

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:39:57 AM PDT

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  •  I don't often congratulate corporations, but... (6+ / 0-)

    ...Good for you, KFC!

  •  I can't help feeling more upset about the (7+ / 0-)

    grandfather and his girlfriend who let this happen in the first place.

    •  Grandfather and g/friend owned ten pit bulls. The (7+ / 0-)

      little girl was attacked by three of the ten.  I just can't imagine who in the world would bring a three year old to a place with that many dogs of any kind, let alone pit bulls.  

      •  Should have said - found this out by clicking back (3+ / 0-)
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        on the links to a Clarion Ledger article in which the little girl was not identified by name.  Clarion Ledger article

      •  I did not know this...source? (0+ / 0-)

        I want to add this info to my story...as an edit. Can you source this?

        I think you bring up an important point: what of those dogs and her relatives who owned them. I live in the country on a large farm holding with woods, lakes and a number of small plots for vegetable production.

        Dogs regularly wander through the property. The vast majority I have no problems with but pit bulls are another matter.

        There is a pair, part of the same litter, that belong to a neighbor. They are supposed to be in a fenced yard but they get out. When they show up on my property I call the neighbor and he has come and gotten them. Last week, with the dogs no longer puppies I notice that their stance was far more aggressive as they related to my two dogs, a Lab and a Beagle.

        I told my neighbor that if I senses his dogs were in any way a danger to my animals or my family, I would not hesitate to shoot them both. He was shocked. I had checked this out with the sheriff who said that this was my right. I also had my lawyer draw up a letter.

        I am deadly serious about this. I found this article very helpful. http://www.aspca.org/.... It urges me not to over-react but to respond based on their behavior. I will.

        "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

        by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:49:04 AM PDT

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        •  I found the article on the Huffington Post, and (2+ / 0-)
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          then followed the clicks through to this article.  I'm no pro at this, but will try.  

          Here's the Huffington Post article where I started.  Huffington Post

          the "attack happened in April" link brought me to this page of the Clarion Ledger:  Clarion Ledger article on Victoria W.

          There's a link in that article to "Pit bull debate reignites"  Follow that to the article about the attack.  

          The grandfather and the girlfriend were arrested for child endangerment.  

        •  Couldn't open the link you used. (0+ / 0-)

          I did google ASPCA and pit bull, though, and it sounds like early socialization is important.  Doubtful that that happened in a situation where one person owned 10, and couldn't stop the attack except by shooting two of the dogs.  Your neighbor may be more willing to work with his/her dogs, but it sounds like it may already be too late.  Neither of your dogs are what I think of as fighting breeds.  

    •  Very important point here. (0+ / 0-)

      I think you bring up an important point: what of those dogs and her relatives who owned them. I live in the country on a large farm holding with woods, lakes and a number of small plots for vegetable production.

      Dogs regularly wander through the property. The vast majority I have no problems with but pit bulls are another matter.

      There is a pair, part of the same litter, that belong to a neighbor. They are supposed to be in a fenced yard but they get out. When they show up on my property I call the neighbor and he has come and gotten them. Last week, with the dogs no longer puppies I notice that their stance was far more aggressive as they related to my two dogs, a Lab and a Beagle.

      I told my neighbor that if I senses his dogs were in any way a danger to my animals or my family, I would not hesitate to shoot them both. He was shocked. I had checked this out with the sheriff who said that this was my right. I also had my lawyer draw up a letter.

      I am deadly serious about this. I found this article very helpful. http://www.aspca.org/.... It urges me not to over-react but to respond based on their behavior. I will.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:47:56 AM PDT

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  •  I've become skeptical of this story. (4+ / 0-)
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    I hate to say it, but it's just not sitting right with me anymore. Where are the corroborating witnesses? It's been many days, and no one else from the KFC nor any other employees have said a thing to the media. KFC has been investigating, but no word yet on any disciplinary actions or firings.

    I'm beginning to think it's more likely that the grandmother invented this tale to get exactly what was given: a lot of media attention and money.

    •  with you on this (2+ / 0-)
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      seems very unlikely KFC would ask a customer to leave, especially an injured little girl. I'm getting grifter/fraud vibes on this

      •  Observatoins like yours have led me to reply (1+ / 0-)
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        with this statement a number of times here....

        The Story Still Untold Here...

        Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this).?

        I appreciate your skepticism. We may not nave the whole story or even the core of the story. KFC is investigating. I wonder where that will lead.

        "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

        by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:52:27 AM PDT

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        •  thanks, (1+ / 0-)
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          looking forward to finding out more. Don't like to see well meaning folk taken advantage of - I was affected by the story when I first read it, then it didn't sit well with me; just seems unlikely that would happen in any restaurant frankly, not to mention a family oriented chain of fast food places. and nothing was said about the employee who "made the request"  no details at all.

    •  This would be a massive violation of ADA. (0+ / 0-)

      Not being able to eat regular food qualifies as an ADA disability.

      I'm fascinated that lawyers haven't already filed suit.

      So yeah, what you said. I'm withholding judgment.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 07:40:20 PM PDT

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      •  Unless this can be shown to be a KFC policy or (1+ / 0-)
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        practice ADA really does not apply...but I get the drift of your point....certainly there is grounds here for a suit which helps us understand why KFC acted as it did without having completed an investigation. Better to be seen to be "making it right" than "ducking and covering."

        "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

        by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:54:23 AM PDT

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        •  What? (0+ / 0-)

          They denied (or rather rescinded) access to a disabled person on the basis of her disability.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 08:18:08 AM PDT

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          •  Who is "they"? (0+ / 0-)

            If it is an individual manager or clerk acting on their own, and especially, if it is a violation of KFC policy then their legal jeopardy is virtually nonexistent.

            "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

            by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 09:07:47 AM PDT

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            •  If this happened, (0+ / 0-)

              Any employee represents the company.

              Franchise holders must be trained in ADA. Employees MUST be trained in ADA. If not, then consequences flow uphill same as if they asked black people to leave their store in violation of civil rights laws.

              (Now, Franchise  holders may have contracts that make them responsible for the defense and indemnity of the mother corporation. But that's a contractual matter between those two entities, not a matter for the injured party. KFC does not advertise itself as a bunch of franchises. It advertises its restaurants as a whole. That's what the public expects.)  

              She has rights under ADA, and (again, assuming this happened as told), her rights were violated. She has allegedly been harmed.

              Seriously. Since when has ignorance of the law been a  defense?

               The "it was just an ignorant teenager" defense won't fly. All employees must be trained.

              And a rogue employee means he wasn't trained sufficiently enough and/or supervised properly. It doesn't absolve the company from liability at all.

              © grover


              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 10:11:35 AM PDT

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              •  If they were not trained, if there is no policy, (0+ / 0-)

                if there is a policy and that is it, sure the company is liable.

                If the employee has done something like this before, or is known to treat customers badly in general, sure they are liable.

                If the employees were not supervised by an on site manager.

                I suppose that if NONE of that is so, the parents/guardians could sue the employee to see if that went anywhere.

                I know a bit about his. One must show negligence and/or malfeasance on the part of the corporate entity to have a case. This is not to say that corporations are not willing to "settle" even when there is no case as the cost of fighting litigation and damage to public image must be weighed.

                "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

                by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 11:06:01 AM PDT

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    •  Based on your observation here I have been.... (0+ / 0-)

      making this reply...

      The Story Still Untold Here...

      Did it really happen, what were the fuller circumstances and who was responsible (some panicked kid pressured by customers, an older but not very experienced worker, or a manager who should have had the training to deal with this).?

      I appreciate your skepticism. We may not nave the whole story or even the core of the story. KFC is investigating. I wonder where that will lead.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:50:58 AM PDT

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  •  Compassion is in order, all around. I'm glad KFC (4+ / 0-)

    is trying to make this despicable action right.  That poor little girl.  

    As to what it says about us, Murph, that's exactly the right question.  It says we're losing our heart.

    That's why I'm not ready to throw the person who did that under the bus just yet, because I don't know what the back story is. Is it a rookie kid who was in charge because three weeks experience made him or her the most experienced person at work that day? or thought this was some kind of company policy? Did someone get egged on to do it? I don't know, and until I do, no judgment on them.

    Let's find a more constructive way to express our outrage.  

    •  You are the first to take my question where (2+ / 0-)
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      I hoped it might go...

      Without knowing the details here (or even, as some have suggested, if it really happened as we have been told)....I do think the story reminds us of how callous, how distant, how uncaring so many have become in our mass culture that seems to elevate MY needs/want/desires over yours and to desensitize us to insensitivity.

      We need to have compassion, literally sharing pain with another, for ALL in this story....the girl, the grandma, the employees, the customer, and even the grandparents whose dogs did this to her.....while still seeking justice. A difficult line to walk.

      rec'd

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:58:08 AM PDT

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  •  Nothing Really (0+ / 0-)
    What does this say about us?
    There are over three hundred million people in this country and over seven billion people in the world.   Even if we estimate that 1 in a 1000 people is a huge asshole, that's still 7,000,000 huge assholes.  Combine that with the power of the internet to quickly disseminate information and you've got the ability to see 5-6 examples of what the biggest assholes on earth are doing every day.

    But "Us," meaning 99%+ of normal people - it doesn't really say anything about us.

    •  I don't agree (0+ / 0-)

      Without knowing the details here (or even, as some have suggested, if it really happened as we have been told)....I do think the story reminds us of how callous, how distant, how uncaring so many have become in our mass culture that seems to elevate MY needs/want/desires over yours and to desensitize us to insensitivity.

      We need to have compassion, literally sharing pain with another, for ALL in this story....the girl, the grandma, the employees, the customer, and even the grandparents whose dogs did this to her.....while still seeking justice. A difficult line to walk.

      There has been a sea change in our social conditioning and it has not been for the good on the whole.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 02:59:17 AM PDT

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      •  I Think The Story is an Anecdote (0+ / 0-)

        Of something awful that happened, and the 24 hour news / viral media that we didn't have 30 years ago makes it possible for the whole country to learn about these anecdotes very quickly.

        That doesn't make them any less awful, but it also says nothing about the overall level of compassion or how "uncaring" "we" have become.  Anecdotes don't become facts, no matter how quickly they show up on HuffPo or wherever.

        •  The story did not come from HuffPo.... (0+ / 0-)

          I saw it in my Reuters news feed and then began to track it down at the local level where the detail is...

          Yes, this was a slice of life in a single place at a single moment but it was a gross act- a hollywood script writer could hardly have written a sadder scene and yet some customer(s) was able to make the complaint and some employee(s) was willing to act on it.

          I think that is what makes it unusual.

          Further, social media has hardly been of one voice in this matter with more than a few tweets suggesting the customer had a point and the employee was just looking out for the majority of those at the store.

          I will grant you this- our constant connection makes it easy for these stories to make it "around the horn" several times in one day.

          "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

          by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 09:12:15 AM PDT

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  •  Assuming that it happened as alleged, (1+ / 0-)
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    someone is awfully hypersensitive: she’s still an extremely cute little girl.

    •  I have advance the question that we might not (0+ / 0-)

      know the whole (or even the core) of the story...but based on what we do know I am wondering who it is that you think is hypersensitive? Just seeking a clarification.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 03:00:46 AM PDT

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  •  Darling little girl asked to leave KFC (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't believe for one second that a bunch of KFC patrons were insensitive enough to even mention the appearance of this little girl. I'll bet it was the staff/manager or whoever it was that had the audacity to ask her and her grandmother to leave. So now what? No shoes, no shirt-no service now contains additional rules relating to how someone at KFC thinks someone should look? Who ever took it upon themselves to degrade and try and shame this little girl has no business working with the public. This whole story almost had me in tears.

    •  Interesting point and an angle I had not .... (0+ / 0-)

      considered. I am continuing to follow this story and will update it. Rec'd your post- new insight.

      "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

      by murphthesurf3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 06:45:26 PM PDT

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  •  Scarred (0+ / 0-)

    I'm always horrified when I read stuff like this--partly for the people involved...and partly for what this country is becoming.

    Kudos to KFC for stepping up.

  •  So much for being reality based (1+ / 0-)
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    Diarist deserves zeros for perpetuating internet hoaxes. Shame on anyone who reccd or pumped this fool to the rec list. And you all who did complain to kfc should be calling kfc up to apologize. Shame on all of you!

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