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The New York Times:
The surge of desperate young migrants across the southwest border has the Obama administration scrambling to respond. It was clearly ill-prepared for a problem that grew steadily for years before exploding this year, with more than 47,000 unaccompanied children caught at the border since October.

It is past time for excuses, and too soon for the post-mortem. The administration needs to mount a sustained surge of its own, of humanitarian care, shelter and legal assistance for children who have faced horrific traumas in fleeing violence in their home countries, mainly Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. As Vice President Joseph Biden Jr. meets this week with officials in those countries, they should all commit to making it safe for would-be migrants to stay home, by reducing the murders and gang crimes that feed the exodus. Congress should meanwhile approve the administration’s $1.4 billion request to handle the emergency on this side of the border, though more will surely be needed to assure health, safety and due process for these young migrants.

Brian Resnick at National Journal analyzes the disturbing reality:
Virtual cities of children are picking up and fleeing El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala—some of the most dangerous places in this hemisphere. In Washington, the story has stoked the longstanding debate over border policy. But U.S. immigration policy is just a small part of this story. Yes, the U.S. immigration system is now bottlenecked with the influx, prompting emergency response from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But changing U.S. border policy won't stem the root of the exodus.

"The normal migration patterns in this region have changed," Leslie Velez, senior protection officer at the U.N. High Commission for Refugees, explains. These people aren't coming here for economic opportunity. They are fleeing for their lives.

Much more on the this and the day's other top stories below the fold.

Mary Sanchez:

Debunking the nutty talk that always surrounds immigration reform is a never-ending but necessary task. Dawdling and ignorantly blathering about immigration is exactly the non-response that keeps the United States unready for situations such as this humanitarian crisis. For that is, in large part, what Border Patrol is dealing with at the moment.

Honduras has the highest murder rate in the world, outside of countries at war. Gang violence in El Salvador is escalating too. Some of these kids are running for their lives. Others are trying to reunite with parents who left them years ago to find work in the United States. That’s where increased security at the border and ICE crackdowns have actually worsened some aspects of illegal immigration. People illegally here can’t cross back and forth as they once did to visit family.

Several hundred children and mothers with infants are turning themselves in daily to U.S. Border Patrol. It’s rightly being called a crisis. And, as with other aspects of immigration reform, situations like this won’t be resolved by the simple-minded bleating of a populist candidate whose 15 minutes of fame are ticking.

The Boston Globe:
For now, the situation has been dealt with using the same Band-Aid approach: President Obama asked FEMA to provide more shelter and relief for the children in custody. But what’s needed is for Republican leaders to stop using procedural mechanisms to keep the Senate-passed immigration reform bill from reaching the House floor, where it could pass with both Democratic and Republican votes. The bill wouldn’t fully satisfy the yearning in many families south of the border for a better life for their children, but it would give them a clear legal path toward achieving that goal, and might serve to keep families together.
Switching topics to Iraq, Andrew Rosenthal bats down the argument that the US could have left a massive number of troops in Iraq, like some conservatives claim:
In 2011, Defense Secretary Robert Gates (a Republican who served under both Bushes) said Iraq would face security problems after a U.S. withdrawal. But, he pointed out, “it’s a sovereign country. And we will abide by the agreement, unless the Iraqis ask us to have additional people there.”

The Iraqis did not ask, and U.S forces withdrew. Mr. Obama did his best to clean up a huge mess left by his predecessor (and Iraq was far from the only one). To heap all the blame on him now is partisan hackery.

Jay Bookman:
As always, I'm struck at the magical powers that Kristol, Kagan and their colleagues attribute to military power. It would allow us to "demand the demobilization of Shi’a militias." It will allow us to "insist on the withdrawal of (Iranian) forces." It would reassure Iraq's Sunni minority, who would lay down their arms. And of course, we would be able to expel foreign fighters from Iraq, quite a trick given Iraq's unguarded 360-mile border with Syria and its 900-mile border with Iran.

None of that sounds even remotely plausible.

H.D.S. Greenway:
Critics of President Obama are saying that American troops should have stayed in Iraq longer, the same as revisionists say that the Republic of South Vietnam would not have fallen if we had stayed the course in Vietnam. But one has also to ask, how long were Americans going to have to stay on when public support at home had crumbled and the fighting was already a decade long? And can foreigners ever accomplish much when the host government no longer wants them? Maliki threw in his lot with Iran, not the United States, and Iran wanted the Americans out.
Eugene Robinson:
President Obama’s instincts about Iraq and Syria have been sound from the beginning: Greater U.S. engagement probably cannot make things better but certainly can make them worse, both for the people of the region and for our national interests. [...]

Obama’s only mistake was to buy, for a time, the notion that Bush’s troop surge had miraculously healed ancient divisions and made the dream of a pluralist democracy still possible. But Maliki sent a consistent message to Sunnis and Kurds: Shiites are in charge. Deal with it. [...]

Would any of this have been avoided if Obama had left a substantial troop presence in Iraq? The question is moot, since Maliki refused to reach an agreement that would allow U.S. troops to stay.

On the issue of gun violence, David Horsey writes about our desensitization to such tragedies:
Given that some sort of horrific, headline-grabbing school shooting now occurs in the United States at a rate of once a week, it's hard to argue against the idea that gun violence is as much a national pastime as baseball. Unlike baseball, however, the season never ends. [...] The United States is the only advanced, industrialized country with this problem. In less-developed regions there are countries where gun violence is rampant -- places like Somalia and the Central African Republic, but those are anarchic places where no effective governmental authority exists. In America, we have a government that some people believe is too big and overbearing, yet, when it comes to guns, we might as well have no government at all.
The New York Times on "legislating ignorance about guns":
In 1996, at the behest of the National Rifle Association, Congress effectively barred federally financed research on gun violence. After Newtown, President Obama called for an end to the ban and asked Congress to provide $10 million to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study gun violence. He also included the $10 million request in his recent budget proposal to Congress. In addition, Democrats in the House and Senate have introduced legislation authorizing appropriators to provide funding.

Recently, however, Representative Jack Kingston, a Republican of Georgia and leader of the House subcommittee that sets the C.D.C. budget, told ProPublica that “the president’s request to fund propaganda for his gun-grabbing initiatives through the C.D.C. will not be included in the FY2015 appropriations bill.” Mr. Kingston does not have the last word; the full appropriations committee has yet to finalize the C.D.C. budget. But his stance does not bode well for gun-violence research or for science-based policy making more broadly.

[...] The price of ignorance on those and other questions is measured in tens of thousands of preventable deaths and avoidable injuries from guns, year in and year out. Compared with that, $10 million for the C.D.C. to study the problem and propose solutions would be a small price to pay.

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  •  Thinking of our Nebraska friends... (31+ / 0-)

    The double tornado that slammed Nebraska last night was a rare and horrifying sight

    One 5 year old child dead and 19 injured.

    They weren’t certain which twister finally went where — or which one all but destroyed the town of Pilger, 60 miles southwest of Sioux City, Ia.

    It wrecked much of the town, claiming at least one life — that of a 5-year-old — and injuring at least 19 others, according to the Associated Press.

    “More than half of the town is gone — absolutely gone,” Stanton County Commissioner Jerry Weatherholt told the AP. “The co-op is gone, the grain bins are gone, and it looks like almost every house in town has some damage. It’s a complete mess.”

    Those who saw it said it was chilling.

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 04:47:07 AM PDT

    •  That's northwest of here. (2+ / 0-)
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      I can remember the big tornado that hit Omaha in '75.

      Plus the one the crossed the Missouri River south of Sioux City back in the '80s. Before that it was believed that tornados couldn't jump major rivers.

      "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

      by Stude Dude on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 08:18:23 AM PDT

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      •  Glad you checked in. I was pretty sure (2+ / 0-)
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        it wasn't in your direct area, but figured it was pretty dang close.  

        I had no idea about this:

        Before that it was believed that tornados couldn't jump major rivers.
        Stay safe, my friend.

        As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

        by JaxDem on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 10:21:48 AM PDT

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  •  Lots of problems...and the GOP ain't helping..... (16+ / 0-)

    think anyone will notice?

  •  Ignorance is not bliss Re gun violence, but it (6+ / 0-)

    Has enabled more gun sales. Looks like "reasonable" gun owners are just another consumer to exploit.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 04:50:31 AM PDT

  •  "health, safety and due process" for young (6+ / 0-)

    immigrants are not matters teh gop gives a shit about; I am confident Obama will do what he can given who he has to deal with.

  •  right now the gun slinging nuts have more rights (14+ / 0-)

    than, children, the mentally ill, business owners, consumers and most of america.

    any non gun toting deranged person, shouts and acts aggressively, is drunk- they get a pass and no charges. no disorderly conduct, no mental evaluation, no night in jail, no bonds to be posted, no record. nothing

    the rest of us might even be shot. but its all good. the phoney interpretation of the 2nd amendment is now the only right in america.

  •  Saw my first Koch Industries ad on the teevee this (9+ / 0-)

    AM.......'We're Koch....and we're not so bad.'

  •  Come on Bill Gates... (9+ / 0-)

    look under the cushions of your couch and grant $10 MIL to the CDC.  It's certainly as important as river blindness in Africa, and pocket change at that!

    Un-enforced regulations = no regulations (me 2014)

    by pcpablo on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 04:56:25 AM PDT

  •  Thank you, John Heilemann (19+ / 0-)

    for calling out Bill Kristol on Morning Blowhard. Stating that his latest and greatest plan for sending troops to Iraq is fantastical to the point of being absurd was too kind. I love the new retort coming from the neocons "we shouldn't look back" - yeah, because then we'll be reminded of your perpetual wrongness.

    •  Iraqi nationalism...a figment of DC's imagination. (3+ / 0-)
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    •  put a parachute on billy and drop him in.n/t (5+ / 0-)
    •  My response to Bookman's sane observation (3+ / 0-)
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      As always, I'm struck at the magical powers that Kristol, Kagan and their colleagues attribute to military power.
      ending with
      None of that sounds even remotely plausible.
      would be that it does to chicken hawks that have probably never even come close to real operational military, just done VIP tours.

      I've come to the conclusion that deep down a lot of these people presuming to talk so easily about military intervention have watched by far too many movies and read too many books in which near "magical powers" are players. They have a faint grasp on how even nature can play a dominant role and disrupt carrier task groups or ground operations. Yep, our military can do amazing things but SNAFU, FUBAR and "Gremlins" of previous generations still operate—sometimes with consequential, even disastrous results. It is the same mentality that is just puzzled why an airliner's remains can disappear in an ocean. They've never been out there!

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:04:35 AM PDT

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      •  Of course they haven't served (4+ / 0-)

        And of course they are trying to compensate because they either couldn't or wouldn't.  Why do you think the Right fetishizes a shitty movie like Red Dawn?  It's because they're ashamed, and to deflect attention away from their own lack of guts and their insistence on sending soldiers away to die when they won't risk their own skins or those of their children.

        It's another reason I despise Mitt Romney.  He got a bogus draft exemption in the 60's as a "minister" even though he was nothing more than another Mormon missionary, and then had the nerve to compare his sons' work on his campaign to service in uniform.  It's disgusting.

        This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

        by Ellid on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:28:01 AM PDT

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        •  And then there is the flip side where the magical (0+ / 0-)

          military is far from even almost perfect.

          What caused this little problem? Inter-service rivalry? Disdain of Navy carrier hot shots for armchair warriors? Lack of AF/Navy foresight? Pork barrel military spending ignoring some fairly simple basics? SNAFU?

          From "Conducting U.S. airstrikes in Iraq would be complicated, former military officers say":

          The Pentagon’s ability to deploy drones to conduct surveillance and carry out airstrikes — a move endorsed by many in Congress — may be limited. The U.S. military has Predator and Reaper drones at several bases in the region but would have to get permission from reluctant host countries to use them in Iraq.
          and
          An inability to use the gulf bases would make it difficult for the Pentagon to deploy armed drones over Iraq. Predator and Reaper drones cannot take off from ships and lack the range to be effective from U.S. bases in Afghanistan.
          Oops.

          In the "magical" and "fictional" world there is almost always the tool ready at hand when the President calls for some action. A magical hovering satellite gives heartbeat coverage in some remote desert region for the superheroes inserted to do the job and the War Room can watch real time!

          Our drones cannot use our carrier decks if needed? We've got all these very expensive carrier decks, even some small ones Marine aircraft alone can use and drones cannot use them. Oops.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 11:24:40 AM PDT

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          •  I think we can blame Tom Clancy for this (1+ / 0-)
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            His books, and those of his imitators, make it look like the armed services are pretty much invincible and omniscient.  They're not, as anyone who's actually served could tell you, but trying getting that across to someone whose only acquaintance with the military is the adventures of Jack Ryan or a John Wayne/Rambo/Schwarzenegger movie.

            This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

            by Ellid on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 12:57:15 PM PDT

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  •  that sound you here is millions of Americans (5+ / 0-)

    jumping on the soccer bandwagon

  •  I read the news... (11+ / 0-)

    ... here, at the Guardian, general articles (or at least headlines) from AP and the range of patterned, 1%er-enabler toilet-paper claiming to be American newspapers, and at a variety of left-tending sites and have read doodly-squat about what seems to have been a three year-plus ongoing murderous campaign that makes children flee on their own - I'd only known about the sudden influx of unaccompanied children.

    Is that really me filtering out what should have been a HUGE number of stories?

    •  excellent question. n/t (3+ / 0-)
    •  I just looked up Honduras (2+ / 0-)
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      and all the news articles are about the World Cup.

      Guatemala has a few with Biden in the title and one about Mayan ruins and one about teen pregnancy - not much else.

      El Salvador? Most are about Soccer again and a small smattering of fluff pieces about the new president.

      Nope it is not just you....

      “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

      by se portland on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:51:12 AM PDT

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    •  It has been available if you hunt outside "news" (0+ / 0-)

      which today is largely not. Even our "better" news tends to focus on what sells, what brings clicks. Grabby stuff. Even phony or badly misguided science news (fat burning is good and grabby—even if based on a "study" of 10 people by an unknown group!) brings clicks.

      It is news for an ADD nation, too busy entertaining itself to know much about what really matters from climate instability to a chunk of Central America where gang violence is oppressive. Have people forgotten why so many from those three named countries were granted special status here decades ago? Did you think the deep causes of then had magically vanished now, that El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala had become peaceful garden spots?

      Nah, that kind of news is buried in boring old State Department, U.N. and humanitarian group reports. Deal with a good look at those when "FAT BURNING diet proven by research . . ." can make a little feature? Hah!

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:26:50 AM PDT

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    •  A few signs from a brief and casual search: (0+ / 0-)

      11 September 2009 U.N. Meetings Coverage (my bold):

      Rosa Anaya, Generation Coordinator, of the El Salvador-based Herbert Anaya Collective of Human Rights (CDH-HAS), gave a compelling personal account of the danger of neglecting human security.  Her father, a prominent human rights activist in El Salvador, was murdered in 1987, and her mother, while pregnant with Ms. Anaya, was tortured, also for human rights activism.  As a result, Ms. Anaya was born with only one arm.  She lost her husband and the father of her two children to gang violence.  Human rights, she said, meant providing rights for everyone and giving people the necessary tools to defend themselves.  Communities were, however, failing to build up human security.  Human development was not just measured in terms of economic development.  Rather it should involve the rights and role of both victims and oppressors.
      2012 posting on U.N. site, Passionists International: Oral Presentation to 50th Session, Commission for Social Development.
      A tiny microcosm of how these ingredients can bring about change can be seen in one of our Passionist projects1 where Father Antonio Rodriguez Lopez Tercero is responding to the gangs in the colonia of “Mejicanos” in San Salvador. Gang violence is a defining feature of life in El Salvador today. During the civil war of the 1980s our Passionist Parish of San Francisco de Asís was the center of resistance in the area: some of our catechists were killed; bombs were lobbed in our vicinity. Today's problems are rooted in gang activity – a product of the return of many Salvadoreños deported from the United States back to El Salvador. They learned gang culture well in the States, and are now living it in all of its violence in El Salvador.
      An hour with Google in the .org and .gov sites will turn up a long, long trail. Not a stunning revelation of secrets just now there.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:56:46 AM PDT

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    •  Most of the stories I've read are (0+ / 0-)

      concentrating not on the causes of the children's flight, but how the U.S. will be affected, particularly the economy.  "We'll have to pay for their health care and educate them" is a common refrain.

      The coverage of Biden's trip to Central America should be interesting.

      "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

      by SueDe on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 08:43:23 AM PDT

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  •  The children fleeing Central America (10+ / 0-)

    are so desperate to get out of the chaos and killing in their countries that they'll brave kidnapping, sexual slavery and murder on the "trens de muerte" through Mexico just to get here to the relative safety of ICE camps.

    Then again, the open-carry "revolutionaries" will soon have our streets as chaotic and deadly as theirs, so maybe the kids could save themselves the trouble.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:20:41 AM PDT

    •  Perhaps the U.S. should stop creating the chaos. (7+ / 0-)

      Stop exporting, and end at home, the drug war, and stop exporting, and end at home, neoliberalism.

      garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

      by Galtisalie on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:46:35 AM PDT

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    •  Children fleeing violence (5+ / 0-)

      Several years ago I read a book entitled "Enrique's Journey" by Sonia Nazario. It is the story of a boy who makes the journey fron his violent, lawless home to the US, and it is an eye opening look into what a harrowing journey that is.

      People run away from their countries because they have no functioning system based on law and order. Conservatives in the US seem to want our own existing system to be cut back so that it too is nonfunctional. Then everyone will have guns to enforce their own idea of order and justice. There will be no tax system to support firemen, teachers, police, judges…is this a prescription for a better society?

      I just don't get it.

    •  The end result of the TP/GOP agenda looks a lot (3+ / 0-)
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      like El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala or Somalia.

      Armed to the teeth, I've got mine (and my walled, guarded enclosure) and the "public" can enjoy the dump or trash covered polluted beach away from any tourist spots or private enclaves—preferably down at the sewage stream's mouth.

      Oddly, the foot soldiers of that movement can't seem to grasp that in that gutting of the public sphere for "those that got" doesn't exactly leave them "middle class" at all. It leaves them at best among the better off scrabbling in the garbage, the ones a step up from the plastic, cardboard and cast off lumber shacks.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:33:40 AM PDT

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  •  The Heritage Foundation (8+ / 0-)

    has lost what little mind it had:

    Representatives of prominent conservative groups converged on the Heritage Foundation on Monday afternoon for the umpteenth in a series of gatherings to draw attention to the Benghazi controversy.

    But this one took an unexpected turn.

    What began as a session purportedly about “unanswered questions” surrounding the September 2012 attacks on U.S. facilities in Libya deteriorated into the ugly taunting of a woman in the room who wore an Islamic head covering.

    The session, as usual, quickly moved beyond the specifics of the assaults that left four Americans dead to accusations about the Muslim Brotherhood infiltrating the Obama administration, President Obama funding jihadists in their quest to destroy the United States, Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton attempting to impose Sharia blasphemy laws on Americans and Al Jazeera America being an organ of “enemy propaganda.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Read the rest of the story for how the attendees attacked and mocked a Muslim law student who was there.

    If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

    by skohayes on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:27:12 AM PDT

  •  El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala (3+ / 0-)
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    They, along with other Latin governments, all follow Catholic reproductive dogma.  These countries are more aggressive at enforcing it than others.  This results in women who are chronically sick (or dead)  from early and frequent childbirth.  Children are forced to assume adult responsibilities in their pre-teens and their formal education is neglected or ended.  

    As brutal as this sounds, the U.S. providing an escape hatch does not help.  It would make more sense for them to migrate to another country where they already speak the language, but they don't.  The Republicans are fine with the status quo because an undocumented worker is much easier to exploit.

    Don't look back, something may be gaining on you. - L. "Satchel" Paige

    by arlene on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:41:38 AM PDT

    •  Are you kidding? (0+ / 0-)

      The GOP, and conservatives in general, are going nuts about this program that is, in essence, inviting women and children across the border.

      No one is happy about this, except perhaps the Obama administration.

      •  Political opportunism at its most craven (2+ / 0-)
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        The "official" stance of the GOP is opposition to open borders because they know darn well that immigrant labor undercuts wages for their base voters.  The beneficiaries of open borders are the businesses and individuals who profit from cheap labor.  Money talks, especially in politics where money is speech, you know.

        Don't look back, something may be gaining on you. - L. "Satchel" Paige

        by arlene on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 08:05:50 AM PDT

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  •  File under: Just when you think that Fox (8+ / 0-)

    can't get even more stupid in drumming up fake scandals:

    In an especially silly segment on Sunday’s edition of “Fox & Friends,” Tucker Carlson and company spent a good chunk of time worrying whether an obviously fake social media campaign by “feminists” (i.e., not feminists) to “#EndFathersDay” was a sign of the coming destruction of all men.

    The fake campaign, launched by the notoriously trolly users of 4Chan.org, was intended to ridicule online feminists and to imply that their ultimate goal is not full equality but rather the destruction and domination of men. Most people immediately recognized the farce for what it was … except for the folks at Fox News

    In order to better understand the misandrist mind-set of the online feminist, the Fox News crew brought on the foremost expert on feminism, the Internet and modernity in general, Susan “Princeton Mom” Patton.” To no one’s surprise, Patton did not attempt to calm down her conservative hosts, opting instead to add even more fuel to the fire.

    “They’re not just interested in ending Father’s Day,” Patton warned of online feminists, “they’re interested in ending men. That’s really what they want.” She went on to describe these online feminists (who, again, are not feminists but people interested in mocking feminists) as “ridiculous” and “antagonistic.”.

    http://www.salon.com/...

    If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

    by skohayes on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:43:44 AM PDT

  •  Interesting CCN/ORC poll (3+ / 0-)
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    Only 11% of Democrats and Democrat leaning independents want someone to run against Hillary from the left:
     photo Democrats_zpsb0f703e4.png

    In contrast, back in early 2007, though Clinton was the front-runner, she reached only 30 to 40 percent in polls of Democratic voters. Her lead now is much more imposing.
    http://www.vox.com/...

    If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

    by skohayes on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 05:55:58 AM PDT

    •  I think it's less true now than 20 years ago (3+ / 0-)

      but conservative Democrats are as powerful or more so than progressives nationwide, even if they aren't as numerous in the populace.

      •  Progressives are the biggest caucus (2+ / 0-)
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        Stude Dude, nosleep4u

        in the House and we've replaced some conservadem Senators with more liberal ones (Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, etc), so the movement is in the right direction, at least.

        If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

        by skohayes on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:05:20 AM PDT

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        •  The Democratic caucus (0+ / 0-)

          is also the smallest its been since the 1940s, so that makes sense.

          The question is can the progressive remain the biggest caucus when the Democrats are the majority caucus. That hasn't been determined yet.

    •  With no specific challenger.. (0+ / 0-)

      what else would they say?

      In general, though...

      Her popularity is dropping considerably..

      Hillary Clinton's favorability rating has dropped slightly, although a majority of Americans continue to view her in a positive light. As Clinton publicizes her new memoir, "Hard Choices," 54% of Americans view her favorably. This is down from 59% in February, and significantly less than the ratings she received as secretary of state, which were consistently above 60%.
      And, her book sales are lackluster, at best.
      Hillary Clinton's new book 'Hard Choices' is a 'bomb', according to a publishing source.

      The former first lady's memoir - detailing her time as secretary of state under Obama - has sold just 60,000 hardcover copies and 24,000 e-books, the source told The Weekly Standard.

      The results come after publisher Simon & Schuster's 'hoping and praying' that 150,000 print copies would be sold in the first week after the book went on sale on June 10, the source added.

      'Between us, they are nervous at S&S,' the source said. 'Sales were well below expectations and the media was a disaster... It's a bomb, but it will be interesting to see how they spin it.'

      I think we'll see a challenger after the 2014 elections, especially if she continues to slide.
      •  A "publisher" told The Weekly Standard (1+ / 0-)
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        Bill Kristol's rag. Pffrt.
        As if a book makes or breaks a presidential election.

        If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

        by skohayes on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:01:16 AM PDT

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        •  No.. but it tells you how the general populace (0+ / 0-)

          feels about her.

          She has a small core of enthusiastic followers.. and from her book sales, smaller than I would have thought.

          Limbaugh's book had double the sakes, for cripes sakes.

          I personally dislike Hillary (a lot), so that skews my view of her popularity.  But, the hard time she's had on the talk show circuit promoting her book simply reinforces my feelings about her.

        •  The Weekly Standard? (0+ / 0-)

          And we're supposed to believe anything that comes out of that rag?

          This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

          by Ellid on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 01:24:01 PM PDT

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      •  lol at this (1+ / 0-)
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        Her popularity is dropping considerably..
        "Hillary Clinton's favorability rating has dropped slightly,"
        Sheesh.
        •  You missed the "significantly" part of the quote? (0+ / 0-)
          This is down from 59% in February, and significantly less than the ratings she received as secretary of state, which were consistently above 60%.
          •  polls fluctuate (1+ / 0-)
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            I think it's notable, in the same poll, her popularity amongst Democrats hasn't changed (withing the MOE).

            Meanwhile, she's 20 points off with Republicans and 16 points off with "Independents".

            In other words, the drop in popularity you're citing is entirely due to the fact that Republicans are not going to vote for the Democratic nominee for President.

            Confirmation bias is a b*tch.

            •  Many Democrat voters will simply stay home (0+ / 0-)

              if the GOP puts up a moderate candidate.. because what's the difference?

              Hillary Clinton is a disaster candidate.  She was "inevitable" in 2008.  She's a crappy campaigner and a terrible debater.  Just look at how many gaffes and mis-speaks she had in the one week of her book rollout.  When she opens her mouth, she loses points.

              If Hillary is our only candidate in 2016, we likely lose.

    •  but America is desperate for a true progressive (2+ / 0-)
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      ten canvassers, skohayes

      I know because I read it in a comment at DKos. Which is way more representative than that poll. And also a better indicator than a primary vote would be.

  •  Years of the US treating Central American (4+ / 0-)
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    countries like private corporations (the Banana Republic syndrome) has reaped its ugly harvest--dysfunctional and dangerous countries dominated by gangs and drug over lords.  

    I volunteer with an immigrant assistance group, and have found that when undocumented citizens who've come to the US from Central America are deported, they fear for their lives.  They are subjected to extortion when they return to their native country (anyone in America has lots of money, is the myth) and sometimes killed.  I know one man who was killed because the extortionists though he was withholding money from them.

    •  See the end of the second quote above in the (0+ / 0-)

      result of a very quick search on the problem. There is not much really new in this "news" for those that do a bit of curious looking. The only new aspect is that the boil has ruptured and desperate kids are washing up here in really noticeable numbers.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 09:18:16 AM PDT

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  •  I'll have to admit I'm really in the dark (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    about all the children fleeing to the U.S. Where are their parents?

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 07:31:54 AM PDT

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