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In case you haven't been following the latest GOP conspiracy theory—which is that the IRS covered up a plot by former IRS official Lois Lerner to destroy her hard drive in order to hide her secret pro-Obama conspiracy which became public in 2013—this exchange between moronic Louisiana Congressman Charles Boustany and IRS Commissioner John Koskinen tells you pretty much everything you need to know:
BOUSTANY: Why wasn't this committee notified before a decision was made to completely recycle her hard drive?

KOSKINEN: Uh, the committee was not notified because that decision would have been made three years ago. It's not a decision—none of this had anything to do with the investigation.

So, Republicans are outraged by the IRS's failure to pre-brief them in 2013 on a decision that was made in 2011 about how to handle a failed hard drive. In short: Impeach!

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  •  Guys like Charles Boustany (38+ / 0-)

    (along with most of the other "doctors" in the GOP Congress) make me think that perhaps medical school or the medical boards are not difficult enough if idiots like this are allowed to practice medicine.

    30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:57:51 AM PDT

  •  dontchaknow it's how statists plant false flags (9+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:59:33 AM PDT

  •  There's conspiracy in here somewhere and I'm gonna (13+ / 0-)

    find it even if it means the death of you.

  •  The Dog ate my homework! (11+ / 7-)

    Can we move on?  Nothing to see here..  just fragrant violation of a dozen statutes requiring the retention of data and backups..  But, since we have a Dem in the White House and at DOJ.. shut up!

    People need to go to jail for this shit.

    •  Uprated because people are HRing for disagreement (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JJ In Illinois, cap76, annecros, hmi

      "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

      by Brecht on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:44:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Actually, we're HRing because we've been called (4+ / 0-)

        patsies.  That dishonesty is ok if it's 'our guy.'

        And you just agreed with that sentiment

        IOKIYAR is not ok and any form of the reverse isn't either.

        The "Shut Up" part is that there is no There, There.  Neither the "People need to go to jail for this sh_T" nor the "since we have a Dem in the White House and at the DOJ.. shut up!" parts.

        Why don't you actually READ what the guy wrote?

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:34:37 AM PDT

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        •  "Why don't you actually READ what the guy wrote?" (0+ / 0-)

          I did. I read his actual words. You're finding implications ("patsies", "intellectually dishonest"), and then you're putting those words in JJ's mouth.

          I don't agree with the HRed opinion, but see a mistake, not malice. If you could show a pattern of JJ "repeating RW talking points", you'd be on more solid ground.

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:54:30 AM PDT

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          •  blockquote (5+ / 0-)
            But, since we have a Dem in the White House and at DOJ.. shut up!
            You think this is a one-off and he didn't mean to call us what it appears that he's calling us?

            he also wrote (in the same post):

            People need to go to jail for this shit.
            Go to jail for a crashed hard drive?  For an inadequate backup process?  Or for the RW implication that the IRS did something wrong when it actually didn't?

            I haven't dived through his other posts.  THIS ONE deserves to be hidden.  Not uprated.  Which, I must point out, you did.

            Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
            I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
            —Spike Milligan

            by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:05:08 PM PDT

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            •  Yes: as did six other kossacks. (0+ / 0-)

              Community Moderation appears to be unconvinced by your arguments.

              "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

              by Brecht on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:20:14 PM PDT

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              •  And YOUR reason for giving him a pass? (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                AnnetteK

                I asked you this before -- you really think he made a mistake with his comments so you uprated him?

                I don't agree with the HRed opinion, but see a mistake, not malice.
                So you do admit that I have a right to interpret it the way I have?  You just think that I'm overreacting because he doesn't say that sh*t all the time?  So on that basis, have a +4?

                This means that I can intermittently say RW cr*p and you'll uprate it as long as I don't do it all the time...  or do I not understand your position?

                Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
                I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
                —Spike Milligan

                by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 01:02:13 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  No, you don't understand how to argue convincingly (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  polecat

                  or, you're too lazy to search for evidence. See the comments below this in the thread, and how I've changed my ratings on JJ, here and elsewhere, accordingly.

                  "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                  by Brecht on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 01:06:57 PM PDT

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                  •  Why do I need to search for "evidence" of his (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Brecht

                    other failings to hide that specific comment?

                    Actually it is one of my pet peeves when people keep elaborate lists of what someone said on XYZZY date/subject and hold history against them.

                    To me, this is a one-off (I hope!) comment that needs to be hidden.

                    They're not called "Troll Ratings" anymore... This is a "Hide Rating" for a comment that should be hidden.

                    I commend you for removing your uprate, but your threshold (and rationale) is different than mine.  

                    Please don't call me lazy for having a different approach.

                    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
                    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
                    —Spike Milligan

                    by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 01:10:05 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Differences are fine, and I've nothing against you (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      polecat

                      I'm sorry you didn't like my "lazy": I should have directed it at your argument, not at you.

                      I did explain that I didn't find that one comment you kept pounding on HRable. I saw what you're getting at, but the basic "since we have a Dem in the White House . . . shut up!  People need to go to jail for this shit" memes are used all over DKos, especially in NSA diaries - so they hardly add up to a purely right-wing talking point. I spelled out exactly what I found lacking in your proof and, instead of providing further evidence to convince, you just raised your voice.

                      I appreciate your fair-minded paragraph in bold. Perhaps we understand each other's ways of thinking a bit better, now.

                      "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                      by Brecht on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 01:22:37 PM PDT

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                      •  Actually I didn't exactly raise my voice, instead (1+ / 0-)
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                        Brecht

                        I did something worse -- I tried to make it about you.

                        I read his comment as an impeachment of us (and I've been here for 10 years -- go figure).

                        Escalation, to be sure (!!), but there is no real way to get a sense of a person or how they think on the Internet and I didn't make the effort.

                        I don't give out a lot of HRs.  When I see a split (it was +4/-2 when I saw it in the first place) and saw someone that I follow and respect was on the HR side, I gave the post a close look.

                        The HRs at that point had no one making a case for why, so I put in a reason why.  If the poster had replied to me and said it was a mistake (as you surmised) I would have removed my rating.  That didn't happen.

                        You were on the uprate side of the equation, giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I was trying to pin you down on exactly what that 'doubt' was.  Not entirely friendly while doing it. :(

                        I should find a nicer way to get someone (you in this case) to explain yourself instead of aiming for the bleachers.

                        My apologies.

                        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
                        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
                        —Spike Milligan

                        by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:50:37 PM PDT

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                        •  Must you be so kind and conciliatory? (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          polecat

                          I thought it was a pretty fun fight, while the fur flew ;~}

                          But I'm also a fan of frank and fair debate, so thanks for clarifying your whole train of thought.

                          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                          by Brecht on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:33:38 AM PDT

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            •  I disagree - respectfully. (0+ / 0-)

              The IRS, and all of its agents and offices, has, or should have, a data retention policy that works. Every company I ever worked for, public and private, has maintained extensive backups. The IRS, since it is essentially nothing but a data-driven business, should have working backups. I agree that no-one should be jailed for this - politicians of every stripe destroy or fail to keep records - but someone should be fired.

              •  Their policy was to retain server backups for 6mo. (0+ / 0-)

                !!! I understand the length of time has increased since then, but they feel they're underfunded.

                Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
                I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
                —Spike Milligan

                by polecat on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 10:01:28 PM PDT

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          •  jj (0+ / 0-)

            i've read many of his comments.  pure R.W. talking points

            •  Many DailyKos readers prefer an echo chamber (0+ / 0-)

              Apparently it's easier to ban people they don't agree with than consider that we, as Democrats, often have a hard time criticizing our own elected people, including our president.

              If Bush or another Republican in the White House wanted to send "advisors" back to Iraq right now, we'd be in the streets protesting. Didn't we already pay enough? A trillion dollars and they're right back at it? Now you want to set up an ongoing system of "advising" that can be used to funnel even more munitions to the "right" side in Iraq?

              But it's Obama pushing for this, supporting the ongoing drain of tax money to pay for the perpetual war machine, so, well, we'll disagree but not too strongly.

              You may see JJ as a troll. I see comments like that enhancing our dialogue.

              go ahead and HR, but you do no favors to blogs like DailyKos when you squash dissent.

      •  This troll oughta be HOS, Brecht. (10+ / 0-)

        Look at the other bullshit he's spewing today.

        defending the Koch brothers:

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        claiming the WI John Doe case is a civil rights violation?!?

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        No. This guy is not a Dem, not a liberal, not a progressive. He doesn't belong here at all.

    •  You don't deserve the HR's... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      annecros, hmi, RhodeIslandAspie

      ... let's assume that everything the IRS is saying is 100% true.  Then their document retention policies are truly terrible.  Asking individual employees to please hang on to things that they think may be subject to a FOIA request is ludicrous.   This particular request may be pointless, but there is no way anybody could do a real investigation into any IRS misconduct if what we're being told is true (or government misconduct period if the IRS behavior is typical).  It's a shame to see dk minimizing it.  We really should push for better retention of government agency documents and emails.  They are, ostensibly, working for us.

    •  I guess (4+ / 0-)

      you've never had a hard drive fail. Or the backup go. Or the server crash.
      Also, there's no way to tell what you're going to need three years down the road - and something that's innocuous will have congresscritters who ignored all the briefings and reports suddenly deciding that it's critical information they should have had a year earlier.
      I'm sure the IRS has retention policies, but there's a lot of stuff that these guys want that isn't necessary for the IRS to operate.

      Also, remember that mail has been lost before, including by the WH. Shit happens.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:08:57 AM PDT

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    •  HR for calling us intellectually dishonest: (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      cville townie, Ahianne
      But, since we have a Dem in the White House and at DOJ.. shut up!
      Really?  you want to go there?

      And what "sh*t" do people need to go to jail for?  As I understand it, the IRS investigated more liberal groups than conservative ones.  How is that partisan in the sense that you're talking about?

      You ARE a troll.  I think that anyone that uprated you needs a discussion about repeating RW talking points.  Hint, Hint.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:31:30 AM PDT

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    •  By Gawd your right! (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      polecat, Laconic Lib

      Because this kind of thing has never happened under the (R)s...

      "People need to go to jail for this shit."
      Come back when the perpetrator of the whole Iraq CF have defended themselves at The Hague.

      “Overcome the angry by non-anger; overcome the wicked by goodness; overcome the miser by generosity; overcome the liar by truth.” :: Buddha's Wisdom-The Dhammapada ::

      by Sam Sara on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:55:01 AM PDT

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    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)
      just fragrant violation of a dozen statutes requiring the retention of data and backups
      "fragrant" violation? i didn't know the IRS smelled so fucking good.

      oh, and you wouldn't mind listing these statutes, would you? kthxbai

      anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

      by chopper on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:09:38 PM PDT

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      •  Here... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        hmi

        another commenter posted this yesterday:

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        and..

        Chapter 10. Office of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue
        Section 3. Standards for Using Email

        http://www.irs.gov/...

        And for a really good analysis of the wrongdoing read this:

        Cleta Mitchell to the IRS: Answer this

        However, several statutes and regulations require that the records be accessible by the Committees, and, in turn, must be preserved and made available to TTV in the event of discovery in the pending litigation. Those statutes include the Federal Records Act, Internal Revenue Manual section 1.15.6.6 (which refers to the IRS’s preservation of electronic mail messages), IRS Document 12829 (General Records Schedule 23, Records Common to Most Offices, Item 5 Schedule of Daily Activities), 36 C.F.R. 1230 (reporting accidental destruction,) and 36 CFR 1222.12. Under those records retention regulations, and the Federal Records Act generally, the IRS is required to preserve emails or otherwise contemporaneously transmit records for preservation.
    •  Uprated for bogus HR. n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  Twelve up and down. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      polecat

      I only recognize one.

    •  Folks... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      snwflk

      ...  do check this guys past posting history.  This is not participant in the rox/sux wars (which are bad enough) but a fairly consistent purveyor of hard core right wing spin!

    •  Fragrant? Well, yes... (0+ / 0-)

      strong odours of bullshit, horseshit, and batshit crazy floating around.  (The word you want is actually "flagrant," dude.  Although I like your word choice otherwise...)

      •  And just to be clear... (0+ / 0-)

        all that fragrance is from JJ's post.  I know as well as everyone else here that this whole "scandal" is more jinned-up bullshit from Issa.  Sound and fury signifying a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.

        But you know...Ben-GHAAAAAAA-ZIIIIII!!!

        :::massive eyeroll:::

  •  "Because there was no committee, you dumbf@ck" (16+ / 0-)

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:01:53 AM PDT

  •  The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. (1971) (4+ / 0-)

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:02:47 AM PDT

  •  I'm sure (yeah, right!) it's just a coincidence... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    polecat

    that Hillary's book was outsold by a sci-fi book last week.

  •  another article (16+ / 0-)

    I read said that Koskinen also said the hard drive failed and was discarded before the first complaints about the reviews even reached Lerner's office.   That an attempt to obtain the data was made by the IRS forensic team and when they coudln't get anything off of it, it was recycled.

    So there was no violation of retention policies, no notice of wrongdoing.  It was just another crashed computer.

    I have had several over the years.  I think they have little implosion devices built in by the manufacturers to force me to buy new ones every 3-4 years.

    •  yeah (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      dewtx, PJEvans, polecat

      me too. i had a laptop crash and it wasn't even a year old. i wasn't trying to hide any files. damn shit just breaks sometimes.

      •  Unless things have drastically changed (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Ahianne

        - and I'm sure they haven't - still similar parts (except for the newer solid state drives).

        The hard drive in the typical computer has a MTBF of like 3 - 4 years. This is at a "normal" hour / day rate. This really means that 60% (yes 60%) of the total population will have NOT, that they should, systems last 3 -4 years on "average". BTW they fail at a high rate initially (ELF), then have a stable failure rate, and then at EOL they begin to fail at a higher rate again.

        Given that these systems probably run much longer hours the drives (mechanical) will fail at a much higher rate. Some are probably on 24/7 and I doubt they all have RAID implementation.

        With a large population of systems you can expect 25 - 30 % overall failure rate per year (all reasons) for the standard, non mil spec, typical 250 -300 power on hours / month system. Given an normal upgrade program.

        At the place I currently work I bet the IT manager I could tell him his annual failure rate within a few percentage points. I nailed it. Until he checked it he didn't even realize it was so high. Desktops / laptops are toys compared to a real computer system. Wonderful tools but unless "hardened" are simply piece parts with relatively high failure rates (why do you think they are so cheap?).

        Basic adding up all the piece parts failure rates and the typical system hasn't changed all that much. More function = more complexity = more heat so it all comes down to about the same failure rate I used to see in the 80's.

        Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

        by Da Rock on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:21:00 PM PDT

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      •  Same here. (0+ / 0-)

        In fact, I've had 3 hard drives have issues in the last 7 months.  One failed completely, another had to be reformatted, and the other just flipped out for no reason (and it's on my new laptop which I just bought 2 months ago; Dell even sent me a replacement, but the silly thing is behaving again.  Means I now have a backup drive to load up just in case this one fails completely).

    •  Standard IT protocols (5+ / 0-)
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      judyms9, dewtx, polecat, splintersawry, Ahianne

      1. Sensitive data should not be only retained locally.
      2. Sensitive emails should be kept for a specified length of time (anywhere from one month to two years depending on the type of email)

      The failure wasn't in destroying her hard drive, it was in not having the PST file stored in a network location, which is how Outlook should be configured.

      At the time her HDD died she was probably incredibly upset about it too.  All her contacts, all her calendar functions, all her stored email addresses (NK2 file) - gone.  Poof.  Exchange would restore anything she had retained under the standard retention policy, but nothing that had been saved permanently that would have been otherwise deleted.

      Once a HDD crashes and it's determined it cannot be salvaged, SOP is that you destroy it.

      We liked to hammer nails through them.  Good stress relief.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:19:48 AM PDT

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      •  Some are a bit more paranoid. (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        catwho, polecat, Ahianne

        Place I interned in before had hard-drive with patient data. The standard operating procedure is.
        1. Remove hard-drive platter (as in disassemble the drive and get at the platter).
        2. Sand down platter surface, both sides, with metal brush sander.
        It's an interesting experience, wearing full body protection while turning hard-drive surface into metal powder.

      •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        catwho, polecat, Ahianne

        that the information should always be stored off a local drive.  And I don't really know if in fact they turned over everthing off a backup but the commitee was insisting on her computer as well, which doesn't exist anymore.

        Plus, since nothing could have been on that computer, not exactly any loss to the committee on this particular matter.

      •  servers also fail (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        catwho, jfromga

        and stuff gets lost, even with all the policies.

        (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

        by PJEvans on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:04:38 AM PDT

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      •  Exchange Server emails are not stored in PST files (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        briefer, hmi

        You can make a local copy, but that is not where they are "stored".

        And.. even if you copied all your emails to a local PST file, then deleted them on the server, those emails would still be in the backups which must be retained by law.

        An independent computer forensics team needs to get full access to the IRS IT department and get some answers - all the IRS officials are providing to Congress is bullshit.

        Federal regs are forever on retention, not one or two years.

        •  There's IT best practice and IT actual practice (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          polecat, cville townie, Ahianne

          As someone who managed backup servers for a long time, I can assure you that the #1 concern of any backup server is what the data looked like yesterday, not what it looked like three years ago.

          Best practices says you've got another backup of the backup stored in an off site location, but storing gigabytes of data for years gets expensive.  Depending on the organization, they may only keep a few weeks of local or even off-site backups.  I know we kept ours for a max of a month, particularly because the auto-defrag software we used on the server caused the incrementals to get stupid huge.

          And yes, I'm well aware that your actual Exchange emails are located on the Exchange server itself, but the local storage is supposed to be in Documents, which are supposed to be connected to the Windows network and stored in a share user's folder.  They're duplicated to the local system after Exchange syncs up.

          But shared folders get stupid huge if people aren't bothering to maintain their emails and only retain the things that are actually important.  (And ideally saving those separately into Documents or some external backup drive.)    Expecially if you're on an older Exchange system - I think 2007 maxed out at 2GB a person.

          The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

          by catwho on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:37:21 AM PDT

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          •  Exchange data (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            cville townie

            Exchange data is stored in the Exchange database on the Exchange server. If the Exchange cache is enabled, the user's data is also stored in an .ost file under their local user directory by default. Unless some Group Policy is in place to redirect user directories to network locations, that data will not be stored on the network.  
            Backing up data can be ridiculously expensive for servers. Especially as the data grows. It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that upgraded backup technology was sacrificed to underfunding and austerity. Can't backup data if you don't have a proper budget for it.

            +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

            by cybersaur on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:15:26 PM PDT

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          •  We used to do a weekly dump to tape (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            JJ In Illinois, catwho

            then store them at someone's house in case of fire / disaster.

            Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

            by Da Rock on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:24:07 PM PDT

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    •  Rule of thumb: replace hard drives EVERY YEAR. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      jfromga

      I'm using solid state drives now, but still make a backup copy 1x year (on a cheap 5400 RPM drive) and use Time Machine.

      Rotating media will die at bad times.  Guaranteed.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:37:31 AM PDT

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    •  Hard drive failure is very common (1+ / 0-)
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      jfromga

      Hard drive failure is incredibly common. All hard drives will fail eventually. That's why they're all rated by MTBF - Mean Time Before Failure. It isn't a question of if a hard drive will fail, but when.

      +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

      by cybersaur on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:06:31 PM PDT

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      •  I believe that MTBF (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        jfromga

        as it relates to Hard Drives in NOT Mean Time Before Failure but Mean Time Between Failures.

        They follow a traditional failure curve with a high failure rate early (ELF - early life failures), then a stable failure rate during their useful life, then a higher failure rate towards the end of their life cycle (EOL - End Of Life). Called the "bathtub curve" which most ALL electronic and mechanical parts exhibit.

        MTBF normally means the amount of time where 60% of the installed population fails.

        I'll bet solid state drives also have an MTBF but at a lower rate which follows the bathtub curve unless physics has changed.

        So a hard drive might have a xx,xxx hour MTBF while a solid state drive will have a xxx,xxx hour MTBF but BOTH will have a 60% failure rate at their respective MTBF's.

        I used to do reliability calculations to predict the service rates of the PC's.

        Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

        by Da Rock on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:33:37 PM PDT

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  •  Sorry, the IRS lost their TARDIS (3+ / 0-)
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    That Master A-hole swiped it.

  •  OK now i see where they get the (3+ / 0-)
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    Pre-fund the postal retirement account. it started with the pre-briefs.

    "So, Republicans are outraged by the IRS's failure to pre-brief them in 2013 on a decision that was made in 2011 about how to handle a failed hard drive. In short: Impeach!"

  •  hasn't it already been shown (12+ / 0-)

    that the IRS actually targeted more progressive/liberal groups than conservative/tea party groups? they were taking a closer look at political groups generally.

    it's amazing to me that this "scandal" continues to be a thing considering this information:

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    how can they whine about being targeted when progressive groups were targeted more than they were? it's just mind bogglingly absurd. crazy.

    •  Yes! And the media hacksters won't back off. (5+ / 0-)

      All of the phony journos keep hacking the theme that conservative groups were targeted, blah, blah.

      It's false. The targeting was ALL of the apparent "political" groups.

      We're all just working for Pharaoh.

      by whl on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:23:41 AM PDT

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      •  Hell, the MSM won't even acknowledge (3+ / 0-)
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        that ANY progressive groups were targeted.

        If Reagan was the answer, it must have been a very silly question.

        by shoeless on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:40:26 AM PDT

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        •  during the hearing, a Democrat said (2+ / 0-)
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          there were more conservative groups applying for tax-free status (including Rove's Crossroads) than progressive groups; subsequently, in just numbers, there were more conservative groups identified for investigation. The only groups denied were progressive.

          The commissioner said that the conservative groups still waiting for a decision were having their cases reopened in order to close the applications. He said they would not be required to provide any information that could be seen as reflecting excessive scrutiny.

          He then received wails of objection from a Republican.

          Am I just stupid--isn't it the job of the IRS to investigate applications? With the Koch brothers and others having entangled webs, why shouldn't some groups provide more information.

          "The devil can quote Scripture to serve his own purposes."

          by SpringHopeCarolina on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:30:00 AM PDT

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          •  The IRS isn't supposed to investigate any GOP (1+ / 0-)
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            billionaire or the political groups that they fund. If you want to understand the reason for and the effect of the Citizen's United decision by the Supreme Court, just look at the fact that conservative groups flooded the IRS with applications as soon as the Supreme RATS opened the floodgates.

            If Reagan was the answer, it must have been a very silly question.

            by shoeless on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:28:15 PM PDT

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    •  I was in error in my statement a few minutes ago (0+ / 0-)

      about the number of targeted groups--I must have misunderstood what was said (I was listening while driving)

      "The devil can quote Scripture to serve his own purposes."

      by SpringHopeCarolina on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:44:55 AM PDT

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  •  Distraction from Benghazi - no, wait, Iraq chaos (8+ / 0-)

    Obviously the IRS was planning this all along so that at the right time the public would be distracted from Benghazi, and then from Iraq's crumbling, all of which Obama had plotted from the beginning - or should I say, the Hawaiians who forged Obama's birth certificate - had plotted from the beginning.

    Ginny Mayer, Ph.D. Democrat CA State Senate Candidate - SD-35 (Orange County)

    by Ginny Mayer on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:12:19 AM PDT

  •  I am sure the honorable Representative Boustany (1+ / 0-)
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    will inform the public of the results of its investigation it will reach just before the November elections or in 2015, by the end of this week.  Same principle, same time machine.  Or is the the foregone conclusion principle the GOP seems to apply to all its rhetoric?  Presuppositional logic - you need to be wrong, now let me figure out how to get you there.

    "Our nation is turning into an idiocracy." Neil deGrasse Tyson

    by pvasileff on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:14:44 AM PDT

  •  I refuse to subject my brain cells (3+ / 0-)
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    to needless destruction by exposing them to the lunatic ratings of a douchebag from Louisiana.

    That's what vodka is for.

  •  Even worse, (3+ / 0-)
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    They tried to destroy the hard drive before Rep Boustany assumed office.

    CLEARLY they were trying to sneak something by, before he got elected to office in 2013 and started asking the hard questions.

    They just hoped he wouldn't be as great of an investigator as he is.

    Drats! Foiled again!

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:21:58 AM PDT

  •  Ive never seen Paul Ryan so angry as this am (2+ / 0-)
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    Come to think of it, Im not sure Ive ever seen him anywhere near blowing his Spocko wonky cool before.
    But when he said to the IRS guy "You didnt tell us 6 other hard drives were also lost." and the IRS guy said "We told you Monday!" you could see steam coming out of his over sized ears.
    "Thats because we ASKED!"

  •  Clearly Boustany failed to request the hard drive (2+ / 0-)
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    in 2011 intentionally , because he is part of the cover up .

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:25:09 AM PDT

  •  Wait--look at the shiny object (3+ / 0-)
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    Or better yet, look down the rabbit hole.

    Didn't the Bu$h xliii administration lose 22 million emails?

    Oh well, who's counting?

    We're all just working for Pharaoh.

    by whl on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:26:47 AM PDT

  •  Well, if that time machine works (0+ / 0-)

    They have all the time in the world to go back and brief them in 2011.

  •  I had no trouble whatsoever (0+ / 0-)

    identifying which one was the professional administrator and which one was the amateur politician.

    One thing is clear, Boustany loves the sound of his own voice.

    A person's word used to be their contract, now people use contracts to get out of keeping their word.

    by bitpyr8 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:35:48 AM PDT

  •  Which committee wants to be notified of all drive (2+ / 0-)
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    failures?

    One approach is to do so. Love it when little-emperors ask for everything. Give it to them. They usually look pretty dumb.

  •  Emails aren't normally stored on the hard drive. (3+ / 0-)
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    There's no server?  No backup?  No drive mirroring?  No email client with backup?  No redundant system storage/backup?

    This isn't 2003.  We're supposed to believe the government doesn't use servers or backup for email?

    I don't blame anyone for saying hmmmm.

    •  I listened to nearly the entire thing. (1+ / 0-)
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      I am not computer saavy AT ALL, but the commissioner said they are still trying to move everyone up to Windows 7

      "The devil can quote Scripture to serve his own purposes."

      by SpringHopeCarolina on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:20:38 AM PDT

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    •  YEs (1+ / 0-)
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      Its believable. They dont.

      And yes - the poster above is correct - we had Windows XP on the computer I work on until this past year when we finally got Windows 7.

    •  Exchange mirrors the local drive (1+ / 0-)
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      If you delete an email inside your client, it gets deleted off the server.  Now, if your server is properly configured, it'll be running a daily incremental backup, but if an email gets permanently deleted in between the time it arrives in in your account and recorded in the incremental backup, it's probably gone for good.

      That's why companies and organizations are supposed to HAVE records retention policies.  If it's even vaguely important, it is supposed to go into a folder that will keep it safe for a certain length of time (for my company it is two years) and then automatically delete it.

      But you can't log down the ability to delete all emails on the local client, because then you end up with ginormous email account folders full of spam.   Or people's pictures of their grandkids.  Or the movie so and so took at the company picnic.  If you didn't force people to keep their email boxes cleaned out, you would have a disaster.

      When I did tech support for a hospital, exactly 7 people were permitted to have bloated inboxes (and they were all management.)  I chased down even doctors and nurses, trying to convince them not to use Deleted Items as temporary storage...

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:45:32 AM PDT

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      •  Exchange retains deleted items (2+ / 0-)
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        Deleted item retention is enabled by default in Exchange. Deleting from the Outlook client doesn't actually delete it from the Information Store. With Deleted Item Retention set, the email may not actually get deleted from the server for several days or even months after it is deleted in Outlook.

        +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

        by cybersaur on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:23:30 PM PDT

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        •  And depending on how much room those take up (0+ / 0-)

          it can be disabled or modified by the Exchange admin.  10 terabyte SANs are getting more common now, but when I worked with Exchange I was stuck with a 300 GB data drive and I had to do what I had to do.

          While I personally had to rescue an email that was accidentally deleted from a local client from the previous day's backup, if someone had asked me to find a file they deleted a month ago I would have had to laugh.  Let alone three years ago.

          The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

          by catwho on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 01:11:38 PM PDT

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  •  I want to thank aaraujo & catwho for the donuts (1+ / 0-)
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    I just have one thing to say to you...

    If this goes unpunished, it will become the precedent.. Whoever is in power from this point on will have your tacit approval to flaunt the laws and target their political enemies - maybe that is you.   Who knows?

    Anyone who does not speak up against these acts by the IRS - even if only the preposterous lies about the emails - deserves the America this makes us - now and in some future ultra-conservative Republican controlled WH/House/Senate.

    •  Why Keep Focusing on the Hard Drive (5+ / 0-)
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      Why do the Republicans on the committee keep focusing on the failed hard drive?  Why aren't they asking questions about how the IRS keeps back-ups of any emails the service transmits?  Yeah, that would be a little complicated, but at least they could begin to tease out just how the IRS communicates internally and externally via email.  Perhaps the scandal isn't with the failed hard drive or even the putative scandal but with the manner in which the IRS was being handled by the prior administrator.

      Any claim about this administration establishing a precedent for emails totally overlooks that precedent firmly set and accepted by Republicans and conservatives of all stripes when the Bush administration disappeared millions of emails implicated in the Valerie Plame affair, a much more serious matter than this IRS dispute.  This claimed IRS scandal doesn't amount to much more than a civil dispute over money based on opinion.  The Valerie Plame affair involved treason.  So, we already know just how the Republicans swing when it comes to running a star chamber and they already have their precedent.

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:12:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  You're welcome! (0+ / 0-)

      I managed an Exchange server and backup servers  for about two years when I did tech support.  I'm not on the IRS's side here, I'm on the tech guy's side.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:48:29 AM PDT

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  •  I always knew the IRS had extraordinary powers. (2+ / 0-)
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    I just never knew how extraordinary!

    Time travel, that's big.

    So endith the trick.

    by itsjim on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:58:55 AM PDT

  •  good line on NPR today - (3+ / 0-)
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    ask the NSA for copies of the missing emails.  They've got 'em all.

  •  Our government and 1/3 our population (1+ / 0-)
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    is completely immune to shame. It's a basic trait of sociopaths, which is what American right wing "Christians" are raised to be.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony Everything good a man can be, a dog already is. - pajoly

    by pajoly on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:23:29 PM PDT

  •  Why didn't he just say the committee didn't exi... (2+ / 0-)
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    Why didn't he just say the committee didn't exist when the hard drive was wiped 3 years ago?

  •  If only other questions were that easy (0+ / 0-)

    to answer.

  •  That was then (1+ / 0-)
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    Kevin Drum in 2007

    MISSING EMAILS UPDATE....Remember all those missing emails the White House told us about yesterday? Turns out the RNC does have copies on its servers. Whew. Apparently, back in 2004, as part of the Valerie Plame investigation, Patrick Fitzgerald told them to stop deleting emails.

    So they did. Except, it turns out, for Karl Rove's emails, many of which are still missing. Now that's just plain peculiar, isn't it?

    Luckily, I'm sure the RNC has backup tapes. Right? Everyone keeps backup tapes, don't they?

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/...
  •  Send him everything! (0+ / 0-)

    He wants to be notified, so send him everything. Send him an official notice every time every drive in the Federal government crashes or gets thrown away, if computers are taken out of service, a document gets shredded, or someone spills a cup of coffee on a report. Give him an inventory of every garbage can that gets emptied in every government office across the country. Bury that fucking guy in a 20-foot high pile of paper, daily. That would teach him to not shoot off his mouth about not getting notified for minor crap that has nothing to do with anything...

  •  The Republican IRS Commissioner (0+ / 0-)

    should be sent to jail. He was the person in charge of this semi-independent agency. The whiners, of course, do not want to face the facts.

  •  The tea party GOP is not big on tech... (0+ / 0-)

    remember Ted Stevens and his description of the internet?

    These tea party creatures may only be petty criminals at best. They are not the brightest bulbs in the pack and were hired to act as tools anyway. When handed a tech issue, they see imaginary things happening. Do they even know what a hard drive is?

    Better questions for our remaining tea party would be in re to stuff they care about: shoplifting, graft and bribes, violent crimes like rape, etc.  The rest of the issues they would care about are simply too offensive to list here. It makes having lunch a challenge.

    When it comes to any tech question no matter how basic, think of Larry Craig or Joe Walsh in regard to the potential intellects handling these issues. Do we see why the tea party, collectively, may not be able to ask a pertinent or intelligent question? They are simply wasting time and tax dollars again, as always. This is why they need removal and ensuing investigations asap. We have better things to do than ask tea party creatures to try to work. We know they can't.

    www.USA.gov

  •  Emails (0+ / 0-)

    As I recall that a Republican had the same problem. He lost all his emails. People Computers Crash. They do. Mine has. Yes I did lose everything. For Paul Ryan to call the head of the IRS basically a liar. Ryan said I don't believe you. Poor baby the world is round after all. This witch hunt is a waste of our tax money. The  House of Rep, have spent 418 million dollars on the 54 times they tried to overturn the healthcare act. With 418 million dollars we could have fixed schools. Feed people. Whatever. Anything else but wasting all this money because they can. You House Reps suck. The Benghazi one is more money and just as stupid. They say embassy but it was just a house. had a fence. Not much security. It was not a proper embassy by any means. These men knew the risks. It was not America's fault. We were attacked in Libya. Across the world. It was done before we knew what happened. Now one of the men have been captured. Still the Republicans are not the least appeased. They want to tear down our President any way they can. If they spent as much energy fixing our Country we would be doing very well now. Raise the taxes on the billion and million airs. We could have all we need. The Republican tea bagger party has continue to ruin our country. Obama has had a jobs bill for 6 and one half years. We all could have been working by now. Raise those taxes back where they were. Even higher. For 14 years these jerks have taken money from America. We must all vote. Vote Vote Vote. Don't let  anything stop you. Get those Id if  needed, This is so important. Come on girls lets show em we can do more than have fun.

  •  So tired of this. The mob of rightist robber ba... (0+ / 0-)

    So tired of this. The mob of rightist robber barons claiming that patterned theivery, when targeted and and publicly announced as such, be viewed as some form of composed wealth discrimination. This is the equivalent of saying..."the criminal justice system is discriminatory by singling out criminals as its targets". Absurdity.

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