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I kind of doubt this is photo shopped. But I expect to be informed if it is.

But lookie here McCain getting his pic taken with his ISIS pals.

So does he not like them anymore? Did they have a falling out?

Or is it as I suspect just a poor addled elderly man being led around by the nose by Rove trained handlers?

Isn’t it nice to know that the US government is talking out of one side of their mouths and doing the complete opposite on the other side? Remember in 2013 when John McCain made that trip to Syria to hang out with ISIS radicals? Now, ISIS is using that photo of them hanging with John McCain as propaganda for themselves.

5:31 PM PT: H/T to Trix who provides the image in the comments.

I couldn't find it on the DK approved hosts.

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  •  McCain should resign. He should have resigned a (15+ / 0-)

    long time ago.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:26:59 PM PDT

  •  I remember that photo. (13+ / 0-)

    Poor John. They shouldn't let him leave the country.

  •  Not photoshopped... (33+ / 0-)

    Here's another shot from NPR:

    From the accompanying article, dated May 30, 2013:

    While McCain got out unscathed from Syria, where he visited rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar Assad's forces, he may have had less success navigating the other risks.

    On Thursday, a Lebanese newspaper reported that McCain may have unwittingly had his photo taken with a rebel, Mohamed Nour, allegedly involved in the kidnapping of 11 Lebanese Shiite pilgrims last year.

    It being the Middle East, however, there's always the chance that something else entirely is going on. Brian Rogers, McCain's press secretary, notes that the kidnapper claim first appeared on a pro-Hezbollah Lebanese TV network opposed to the Syrian opposition.

    In a statement, Rogers said in part:

    "A number of the Syrians who greeted Senator McCain upon his arrival in Syria asked to take pictures with him, and as always, the Senator complied. If the individual photographed with Senator McCain is in fact Mohamed Nour, that is regrettable. But it would be ludicrous to suggest that the Senator in any way condones the kidnapping of Lebanese Shia pilgrims or has any communication with those responsible. Senator McCain condemns such heinous actions in the strongest possible terms."

  •  Great Pals for John McCain! /nt (8+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:30:29 PM PDT

  •  He Doesn't Know What He's Doing Anymore...... (9+ / 0-)

    John has been a public figure too long.  I can't stand the guy, but even I believe his family needs to intervene & get him into a nursing home before he wanders away & gets lost at a food court in the mall.  

  •  This is good news for John McCain! (7+ / 0-)

    Sorry had to be done. Obligatory.

  •  Just goes to show ya... (5+ / 0-)

    When it comes to John McCain and his neocon buddies: friends today become enemies tomorrow.

    "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

    by markthshark on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:40:37 PM PDT

  •  Heh - as I noted the other day, (4+ / 0-)

    when I first heard the phrase "ISIS in Iraq" I thought somebody was talking about the next season of "Archer" - not an actual terrorist organization.

    Heh...I really need to get out more. And at least read, if not listen to, a little more news.

  •  Let's be careful here. (6+ / 0-)

    Not everyone who was a rebel in Syria was Isis.  Indeed, that was originally an organic (and non-violent) movement of Syrians against a(nother) true asshole, Bashar Assad.  

    Isis appears to be foreign fighters who tried to take over the rebel movement in Syria and were such assholes that the Syrian rebels themselves rejected them.  And then Assad kicked their asses out of the country.

    Not sure which rebels McCain is pictured with.

    "You cannot win improv." Stephen Colbert ( at 16:24).

    by Publius2008 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:45:36 PM PDT

    •  Free Syrian Army, (2+ / 0-)

      as a guess. See an al-Jazeera blog post, identifying General Salim Idris in a photo with McCain, for example.

      And this:

      McCain, one of the fiercest critics of the Obama administration’s Syria policy, made the unannounced visit across the Turkey-Syria border with Gen. Salem Idris, the leader of the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army.


    •  Why do you believe that? (4+ / 0-)

      Just curious.

      There were violent attacks from the very beginning and Gulf State media on the ready to inflame tensions.

      The original news articles in the West and Gulf newspapers are even laughable in the West if relooked at.

      Remember the laugh that everyone got when Bashar said he had a base of support? And everyone in the West laughed and laughed. Even Jon Stewart.

      Three years later Qatar has a new leader. Egypt has gone through two leaders. Turkey is only hanging on because we ignore him stomping on basic democratic principles.

      It reminds me of how bad our media was after Hariri was killed. Every single article had the phrase 'Everyone believes Syria was behind the killing.'

      Guess what? Everyone believed it.

      After a decade and millions of dollars there is no evidence. The initial Mehlis report that idiots in the West initially thought was damning proof of Syria's involvement was mocked by anyone that had a clue.

      There is a long history of bigoted reporting on Syria. To say something as fact, like the whole uprising was peaceful, is done by either ignorance or trying to sell a story. There are too money documented attacks against the government, the military, the police, etc. in the first days to say this was a peaceful, unified movement. You just need to look at the history of the revolution and the constant ego-inspired splits and sucking up forvarious foreign funding to demonstrate the uprising was not monolithic. Yet people still pretend that this was a nationwide peaceful revolt to bring Jeffersonian Democracy to Syria.

      Really? With Saudi support no less?

      They went from that to raiding Christian villages in a matter a months?

      •  Watching this from a media (2+ / 0-)
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        and social media perspective I witnessed unarmed women and children protesters being gunned down and arrested

        That is how I saw all this in the beginning , your comment seems to indicate you witnessed the beginning of all this from an alternative universe

        These people had little choice but to defend themselves or be gunned down or arrested , and I am talking about the very beginning , it has turned into a cluster fuck with the blessings of Assad , his mommy , Russia and China

        And of course Assad has a " base of support " , anyone who disagrees with him is arrested or gunned down ,  then there is the support he buys with cash , and of course there are genuine supporters of gunning down unarmed civil rights protesters

        The gloves have to come off at some point when people are being gunned down by an army , to try and claim " christian" children being killed is more outrageous than all the other kids being murdered is down right creepy

        Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

        by Patango on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 08:22:31 PM PDT

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        •  Mass protests started March 15th, (0+ / 0-)
          •  On March 18th (2+ / 0-)
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            The Syrian Police tried to disperse protestors in Daraa,

            The " peaceful" protesters responded with Molotov cocktails and cobble stones. By the 20th in Darra, Police were using live rounds, killing 20,  and so were the "peaceful" protestors, who killed 7 Police, burned down the Ba'ath Party headquarters, the Town Hall and the Telephone Exchange.

            Mass "protests" then erupted countrywide, which took the Army and Police about a month to clear and suppress, in the course of actions, about 1,000 "peaceful" protesters were killed by the Army and Police, and the "peaceful" protestors killed about 150 Soldiers and Cops.

            A general rule of thumb is that "peaceful protestors" may get brutalized and killed, but they don't kill Cops.

        •  The main cause of the cluster-fuck in Syria came (0+ / 0-)

          from the blessings bestowed on the "rebels" by Imams from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and other GCC countries. These "blessings" were not only spiritual in nature. Attached to them were billions of dollars in cash and tons of weapons. The cash and weapons had entered the country even before the first "peaceful" protests in Daraa.

          It took almost a year before many here even admitted that the Saudis and Qataris were arming the protestors/rebels. Such is the power of the NYT and WaPo. The Judith Millers are still hard at work.

          Syria: how the violence began, in Daraa
           By Tim Anderson

          "The claim that armed opposition to the government has begun only recently is a complete lie.   The killings of soldiers, police and civilians, often in the most brutal circumstances, have been going on virtually since the beginning.' -- Professor Jeremy Salt, October 2011 (Ankara)

          There is no doubt that there was popular agitation in Syria in early 2011, after the events in Egypt and Tunisia. There were anti-government and pro-government demonstrations, and a genuine political reform debate. However the serious violence that erupted in March 2011 has been systematically misreported, in line with yet another US-NATO 'regime change' agenda.
          Israeli and Lebanese media gave versions of the events of 17-18 March closer to that of the Syrian government. An Israel National News report (21 March) said "Seven police officers and at least four demonstrators in Syria have been killed " and the Baath party headquarters and courthouse were torched'. The police had been targeted by rooftop snipers.

          Al Jazeera (29 April), owned by Qatar's royal family, implied the rooftop snipers in Daraa were government forces. "President Bashar al Assad has sent thousands of Syrian soldiers and their heavy weaponry into Derra for an operation the regime wants nobody in the word to see'. However the Al Jazeera claim that secret police snipers were killing "soldiers and protestors alike' was both illogical and out of sequence.
          Saudi Arabia, a key US regional ally, had armed and funded extremist Sunni sects (Salafists and Wahabis) to move against the secular government. From exile in Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Adnan Arour called for a holy war against the liberal Allawi muslims, who dominated the government: "by Allah we shall mince them in meat grinders and feed their flesh to the dogs'. The Salafist aim was a theocratic sate or "caliphate'. Sheikh Muhammed al Zughbey said the Alawites were "more infidel than the Jews and the Christians'. The original North African slogan was rapidly replaced by a Salafist slogan "Christians to Beirut, Alawites to the grave'. They would soon act on these threats.

          Saudi official Anwar Al-Eshki later confirmed to BBC television that arms had indeed been provided to groups within Syria, and they had stored them in the al-Omari mosque.

          •  So lets sum it up here (1+ / 0-)
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            Unarmed men , women and children start peacefully demonstrating for

             " minimum wages and workers rights etc "

            But since some crazy terrorist criminals some where else in Syria blew up a few places a year before  , that gives Assad the right to gun those protesters down

            God bless the united states of dick cheney

            Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

            by Patango on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 09:44:52 AM PDT

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            •  The crazies were mixed in with the peaceful (0+ / 0-)

              demonstrators in order to escalate the situation into a bloody conflict. This is an old tactic that has been used for centuries to instigate unrest. It just recently occurred in Kiev in order to topple the elected government and install a different one.

              You may want to view the following documentary produced by a video crew that inadvertently became involved in the attempt to overthrow Chavez in 2002. It shows just how this tactic was used. Fortunately, the camera crew caught the whole thing.
              The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

              But since some crazy terrorist criminals some where else in Syria blew up a few places a year before  , that gives Assad the right to gun those protesters down

              God bless the united states of dick cheney

              The Syrian conflict started in January 2011 with mass protests for both sides. The western media did not show the Assad supporters to any great extent. Even small incidents involving police actions against unruly protestors were focused on and amplified.  

              Within weeks, armed fighters had started to infiltrate Syria. Reporters from Al Jazeera had footage of these fighters crossing into Syria from Lebanon but their bosses refused to air the report. They resigned in protest.

              If protests in the US also had armed people who started killing police, the cops would come down like a ton of bricks. No protest in the US has ever tossed Molotov cocktails at the police and not suffered an immediate overwhelming armed response.

              Al Jazeera Journalist Explains Resignation over Syria and Bahrain Coverage

              At that time, you know, everyone was talking about the revolution in Syria, that it's peaceful revolution, it's not using arms. But, you know, what we saw, it was really interesting and kind of—if it was any other channel, this should be a breaking news, it should be a big story. But, actually, Al Jazeera, let me say, the policy and the channel itself, maybe the journalists inside, you know, they went back to, maybe, the owners, and then it was kind of—it's not allowed, and I was asked to go back to Beirut, and those footage weren't ever aired on Al Jazeera.

              And this problem, you know, made, you know, a kind of credibility problem between me and the channel. And, you know, I tried my best to solve this issue. I tried my best to tell my seniors, my bosses, all of them, that there is a problem and we should solve such a problem. Actually, when this happened and I was talking about this issue with my colleague in Doha—and she's a well-known presenter over there—actually, also she told me a lot about what she's passing by and what she's going through and how she was, you know, on air and then she was asked to leave the air because she asked kind of hard questions or harsh questions to the opposition members who are kind of supported by Qatar. So we were talking these issues. And then someone just popped in and took our, you know, privacy off and just took everything and, you know, published them on air. Some were kind of on the Syrian television, some were on newspapers in Beirut, in many other Arab capitals. So this was the story at that time.

              JAY: So what—before we go further into your own story, let's back up one step. What exactly did you see in terms of arms going into Syria? Who do you think (or were you able to tell?) was supplying the arms?

              HASHEM: Actually, I can't identify who's really supplying the arms, but actually we saw armed men just crossing the river, the great northern river, which is the only, you know, natural barrier between Lebanon and Syria. They were just crossing that barrier and going into Syria, and then clashing with the Syrian Army. That was in May. And even something similar happened in April, but it wasn't on camera. But in May it was on camera and we had the footage, and, you know, no one wanted to have them on air. At that time, you know, everybody was watching. You know, we were, as journalists, myself, were the only, you know, Arab channel, news channel on the borders, and we were trying to, you know, see what's going on over there. [crosstalk]

              JAY: So this is—you're talking almost a year ago now, then.

              HASHEM: Yeah, yeah, that was in May, that was in May, May 2011.

              •  So one journalist from Al Jezeera (0+ / 0-)

                makes everything go POOF

                Got it

                I am not sure why you think you can rewrite the whole situation for people in a comment section , but you CT people are always thinking wild eyed

                It is all second hand news , there is plenty of evidence to support my beliefs based on what people were saying on the ground  in 2011 , I could care less how bad that offends you

                And your disgusting fucked up support for Assad speaks for its self

                Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

                by Patango on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:28:31 PM PDT

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                •  22 reporters resigned from Al Jajeera due to (0+ / 0-)

                  biased coverage.

                  The situation in Syria is not as clear-cut as you would like it to be. There is a civil war going on with at least half the population supporting Assad. It is not up to us foreigners to involve ourselves and choose sides in this conflict.

                  And your disgusting fucked up support for Assad speaks for its self
                  I don't support Assad. I just support the truth. You need to look deeper into these conflicts if you are looking for the truth. I can give you dozens of links like the following since the start of the civil war.
                  Syria: As the bombs fall, the people of Damascus rally round Bashar al-Assad
                   By Peter Oborne
                  17 Apr 2014
                  Over the past few days, I have talked to shopkeepers, students, soldiers, doctors, a dentist, MPs and government ministers (including the minister for tourism, who must have the most thankless job in the world). On the basis of these conversations, I would judge not just that support for the regime is holding up, but that President Assad could very well win a popular election, even if carried out on a free and fair basis. Such elections are in fact due: the president must hold a poll before July 17 if he is not to exceed his constitutional term of office. An announcement is expected soon.

                   Discussing this vote, I found – to my surprise – that even people outside the governing Ba’ath party, including some of Assad’s political opponents, said they would support him. Maria Saadah, an independent MP for Damascus, told me that her career as an architect had suffered because she did not belong to the Ba’ath, and that she had entered politics at the beginning of the crisis because she wanted to reform the system. But she added that the middle of a war against what she described as foreign-backed insurgents – which is how the regime ceaselessly depicts its opponents – was not the time for that. Syrian sovereignty, she said, had to come first.

                  This argument is very common. People here see their country as being threatened by foreign powers (above all Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, all backed by the West) who are sponsoring the jihadist groups that make up the opposition. I was struck by the fact that this argument is not made only by the Alawite coterie around the president. I also heard it from Sunni Muslims, Christians and members of the various other cultural and religious groups that abound in Syria.
                   When I was in Bab Touma, I was approached by a shopkeeper, who insisted on taking me to his antiques shop. There, he served me tea and told me without rancour that no customers came to visit any more, and there were no jobs.

                  He walked me along an alleyway to his home and pointed to a destroyed balcony where his mother had liked to sit. Two months ago, she had been resting there as usual when she was killed by a direct hit from a mortar. “Your government,” he told me, “is the worst ever; they want Syria to be a democracy and ally themselves with Saudi Arabia, which has nothing to do with democracy.”

                  •  You can jump the shark all day , no one cares (0+ / 0-)
                    There is a civil war going on with at least half the population supporting Assad.
                    I will not being going down that rabbit hole with you , I know where this discussion started and what it was about , you need to go find some rookies at fox news so you can pretend to be impressively over informed apparently , moving goal posts is a sign of desperation
                    22 reporters resigned from Al Jajeera due to
                    Hook us up champ , you and your sources have made several wild eyed claims that could never actually be backed up , feel free to fall on your face all you want  

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                    by Patango on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 08:21:16 PM PDT

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                    •  It is obvious that you do not have a full (0+ / 0-)

                      understanding of Syria. The Atlantic did a very good piece on Syria. In case you do not know about The Atlantic:

                      The Atlantic

                      The magazine has won more National Magazine Awards than any other monthly magazine.
                      Focusing on "foreign affairs, politics, and the economy [as well as] cultural trends", it is now primarily aimed at a target audience of serious national readers and "thought leaders".

                      Here's the article:
                      Understanding Syria: From Pre-Civil War to Post-Assad

                      How drought, foreign meddling, and long-festering religious tensions created the tragically splintered Syria we know today.

                      •  It's become SOP, (2+ / 0-)

                        Civil Protests, then mysterious snipers killing Cops and Protestors,

                        Almost like there is a manual,

                        Written during the Rose Revolution.

                        Can't wait until the Russians and Chinese start to copy it,

                        •  Used in South/Central America and even Russia (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          Horace Boothroyd III

                          before the Rose Revolution

                          You may remember the following. (Of course it's not really a Russian op.)

                          Yeltsin's "Red October II"  1993

                          An Orwellian Plot: "Defending Democracy" by Killing Pro-Democracy Demonstrators - and with Foreign Assistance?

                          PHOENIX - Remember the bloody images of "Red October II," the massacre at the Russian White House (parliament) in October 1993, carried out by the Boris Yeltsin government and recorded on live TV? The New World Order's Russian quislings killed scores of their own people who wanted real democracy. Yet they did it in the name of democracy, CNN and others in the establishment media would have us believe.
                          Just as importantly - why has no western media outlet (as far as this writer is aware) ever reported the full story of Moscow's "Red October II?" Such as the snipers' killing of two policemen so as to blame the peaceful pro-democracy demonstrators, and later justify a turkey shoot of civilians and occupants of the Russian White House? Why didn't they tell us in this land of the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of the press, about the presence of foreign mercenaries who took part in the massacre of the Russian people? Or about the summary, and later, mass executions at the Red Presnya stadium?

                          Can't wait until the Russians and Chinese start to copy it,
                          They currently don't have the highly skilled Madison Avenue propaganda machine the west relies on to finesse the situation. But, give them time. They'll learn.
                        •  Yep. (1+ / 0-)
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                          Over and over and over again.

                          They know how to pull our strings.

                          I need your support, my paypal is:

                          by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:08:25 AM PDT

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                      •  Snipers, (2+ / 0-)

                        Shoot cops and protestors,

                        It's almost like there was a manual,

                        Say, From the Rose Revolution,

                        Can't wait for the Russian and Chinese response, Occupy II and  Bundy  Ranch. III.

                      •  Claudius (0+ / 0-)

                        I am responding directly to what you are posting and how you are framing the argument , criticizing YOUR TACTICS is not saying The Atlantic sucks .....Ego flop alert !!!!!

                        You want to claim

                        "The people 'I' am listening to are just making everything up  "

                        , well guess what , I can say the same thing about what you are presenting , see how CT works? Now you are going to piss and moan about the same CT being slapped on you .... To bad huh  

                        FRONTLINE 2011

                        Ramita Navai:
                        I did not see a single armed protester. From the testimonies I heard, and the video footage that was shown to me, the violent response - especially at the start of the uprising - was completely unprovoked. However, the situation is changing. Activists are starting to arm themselves - this is something that they have told me. Some activists are also working alongside armed deserters, and I have been told there are firefights between armed groups and security forces. But it's important to state again - I did not see one armed protester among the thousands that I saw.
                        The Arab League’s voted to suspend Syrian membership in the 22-nation organization

                        The suspension was backed by 18 of the league’s 22 members

                        So Front Line , Amnesty International and The Arab League all conspired to make Assad look bad in 2011 at the beginning of all this , good luck with that

                        Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

                        by Patango on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:15:17 AM PDT

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                        •  Ramita Navai did not get the whole picture (0+ / 0-)

                          She said she heard shots but never actually saw the shooting. She talks about the killing in Douma. Here's another perspective of what was occurring at the same time Ramita was in Syria. You will notice that the peaceful protestors were very quickly co-opted by foreign money, weapons and fighters in order to create more and more violence.

                          Syria’s Eastern Ghouta: A Chaotic Conflict of Brigades

                          December 20, 2013

                          The situation in eastern Ghouta, just outside Damascus, has dramatically changed since the beginning of the crisis over two years ago. What began as a few peaceful protests eventually grew to include a local armed presence, then brigades encompassing varied factions and fronts.
                          The uprising quickly reached Ghouta, and a big protest erupted in Douma on 25 March 2011, followed by larger protests in many Ghouta towns including Harasta, Zamalka, Jobar, Arbin, Ayn Terma, and Kfarbatna.

                          Free Syrian Army Obtains Arms

                          Peaceful protests soon turned into armed clashes with security forces. It all started in September 2011 when a man named Abdel-Ghafour Darwish formed the first armed brigade in Ghouta: the Abu Obeida al-Jarah Brigade, under the wing of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). The brigade began to attack security headquarters before the intervention of the Syrian army, while other groups, such as the Abu Said Ataya group in Jobar, focused on “protecting protesters.”

                          S. Bilal, a Jobar resident, told Al-Akhbar, “Protecting protesters was more of a formal framework. In Jobar, for example, protests were used as bait to draw in shabiha [regime thugs] so that protesters’ protection committees could hunt them down.”

                          He mentioned an incident at Jobar’s Big Mosque, where people pretended to attend the funeral services of a fallen martyr. As usual, a bus with security men on board arrived to keep the funeral from turning into a protest, but they were ambushed by a protesters’ protection committee. A number of police officers were killed and many others injured. It was later revealed that the coffin was actually empty.

                          The Syrian army got involved, and bloody clashes erupted. S. Bilal said, “The FSA received severe blows, and the disparity in size, organization, and experience between both parties became evident. FSA men looked almost amateur compared with the regular army. They were mostly civilians, former protesters only good at throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails.”
                          “First, a number of Ghouta locals who were killed in the protests, including our organizers and leaders. We needed backup, and that is when the opportunists came in, following the money. Finally, the Islamists came along, and since day one they have pushed toward an armed conflict as a pretext to foreign military intervention,” Salameh explained.

                          Observers also estimate that the Army of Islam is more of an operation center for the armed opposition rather than a simple military force on the ground. Today, eastern Ghouta has turned into a stronghold of the Army of Islam.
                          He believes that Ghouta residents were marginalized and replaced by foreigners or Syrian adherents to the “Islamist” ideology. “All protesters I knew from the beginning of the events are now martyrs, prisoners, living abroad, or staying in their houses,” he said.
                          Douma’s Army of Islam is the most prominent military formation in eastern Ghouta. Although its leader Zahran Alloush claims that 90 percent of its arms come from profits earned by vanquishing regular army troops, informed sources reveal that the Army of Islam has close ties with Saudi Arabia.

                          Alloush, 43, is the son of Salafi preacher Abdullah Alloush. He studied Sharia in Saudi Arabia and visited the country as recently as last Eid al-Adha. Observers say that the Army of Islam plays a vital role in eastern Ghouta, controlling all financial channels which give its military and media advantages.

                          •  Where is your (0+ / 0-)

                            "22 Al Jazeera reporters " link bro , what happened?

                            I all ready crushed the debate you are repeating  , post away

                            Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

                            by Patango on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 02:22:33 PM PDT

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                          •  Al Jazeera was providing biased news reports from (0+ / 0-)

                            Syria, Egypt, Qatar. Libya and Bahrain. BTW, the Muslim Brotherhood was Assad's biggest foe at the start of hostilities. It was the Muslim Brotherhood who Assad's father fought in 1982.

                            Al Jazeera staff resign after ‘biased' Egypt coverage

                             Cairo: The news channel Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr saw 22 members of staff resign on Monday in Egypt over what they alleged was coverage that was out of sync with real events in Egypt.

                            Anchor Karem Mahmoud announced that the staff had resigned in protest against what he called “biased coverage” of the events in Egypt by the Qatari broadcaster.

                            Mahmoud said that the resignations had been brought about by a perceived lack of commitment and Al Jazeera professionalism in media coverage, adding that “the management in Doha provokes sedition among the Egyptian people and has an agenda against Egypt and other Arab countries.”

                            Mahmoud added that the management used to instruct each staff member to favour the Muslim Brotherhood.

                            He said that “there are instructions to us to telecast certain news”.

                            The Muslim Brotherhood Reborn
                            The Syrian Uprising

                            As Syrian president Bashar al-Assad struggles to contend with a massive popular uprising, the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood (SMB) is poised to dominate whatever coalition of forces manages to unseat the Baathist regime. Though in many ways the Brotherhood's official political platform is a model of Islamist moderation and tolerance, it is less a window into the group's thinking than a reflection of its political tactics. Unlike its parent organization, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which often kept its ideological opponents at arm's length, the SMB has repeatedly forged alliances with secular dissident groups even as it secretly tried to negotiate a deal with the Assad regime to allow its return from exile. Since the moderation of its political platform over the past two decades has clearly been intended to facilitate this triangulation, it does not tell us much about the ultimate intentions of the Syrian Brotherhood.

                          •  You haven't crushed anything. You have just posted (0+ / 0-)

                            some poorly sourced information that does not look very  deeply into the Syrian conflict.

                            I'll bet you were gung ho for Bush's Iraq war.

                          •  So you jump subject to Egypt (0+ / 0-)

                            Funny you did not mention that when you introduced it

                            We can file that with your other failed CT claims

                            Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

                            by Patango on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 05:38:03 PM PDT

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                          •  All the current problems in the MENA are (0+ / 0-)

                            interrelated through their common history. Al Jazeera's owners, the government of Qatar, are staunch supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood.

                            Here's some history. You may want to Google Sayid Qutb to get insight on the Salafist jihadis such as Al Qaeda..

                            Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood: Past and present
                            Sheikh Sibai was a local link between the Egyptian Brotherhood — the mother organization — and the Syrian organization. The founding process was under the direct supervision of Sheikh Hassan al-Banna. In spite of this, some distinctions could be made between the Syrian and Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood organizations. The former was more open to pan-Arabism and social components (in the 1949 and 1962 elections, the Brotherhood electoral lists included Christian candidates). They were also more open to the political moderation that emerged in the 1950s between the left-wing Communist-Baathist camp and the right-wing camp supporting the West and Baghdad. It is worth mentioning that Baghdad wanted to implement the Fertile Crescent Project, which included a varied spectrum ranging from the People's Party in Aleppo all the way to Syrian Nationalists. Even though in the summer of 1957 Sheikh Sibai, and subsequently Issam al-Attar, became president of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Executive Office following the blow dealt by the Egyptian leadership to the organization in 1954, Sibai remained cooperative with Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and supported the process of Egyptian-Syrian unity. In 1959, he wrote The Socialism of Islam, which was an intellectual-Islamist justification of the agrarian reform (September 1958). The reform was opposed by many members of traditional families and by sheikhs. Following the [military] coup on Sept. 28, 1961, the Brotherhood refused to sign the document approving Syria's secession [from the United Arab Republic].

                            Secession occurred within the Brotherhood between the Damascus and Aleppo branches because Sheikh Marwan Hadeed and members from Hama had gone to receive weapons training in Fatah training camps in Jordan in 1969. Thus, when the Egyptian leadership and Muslim Brotherhood International Organization approved the unification of the General Organization of the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria in summer of 1975, Sheikh Marwan Hadeed, his organization and the Damascus branch headed by Attar were excluded. The new Cairo-recognized Muslim Brotherhood leaders were from Hama (Adnan Saadeddin) and Aleppo (Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudda and Ali Sadreddine al-Bayanouni). The Muslim Brotherhood in Syria had a significant presence in Hama, Aleppo, Latakia and towns of Idlib province, but not Idlib city.

                            The Muslim Brotherhood of Syria of the 1970s showed new features: poor moderation and prevailing radicalism. Moreover, Attar and his branch were the weakest in the 1970s, while the General Organization was more intellectually radical than the Egyptian organization at the time and closer to the ideas of Sayyid Qutb than to those of Banna, Hassan Hudaybi and Omar el-Telmesani. The Muslim Brotherhood in Syria distanced itself from Al-Tali'a al-Muqatila Group, which had begun an assassination spree since the assassination of Maj. Mohammed Ghurra, head of the military security branch in Hama, in February 1976.

                            The armed Muslim Brotherhood opposition broke out on June 16, 1979, with the massacre at Aleppo Artillery School carried out by Marwan Hadeed’s organization. The General Organization joined the armed struggle and Attar’s branch took up arms. The three branches of the Brotherhood were unified in December 1980. Thus, the main social structure of the Brotherhood Movement in the June 1979-February 1982 events, until the defeat of the armed Brotherhood movement in Hama, basically included members from Hama, Aleppo, towns from Idlib and the rural areas of Hawran, Damascus and Aleppo, where the overall atmosphere was more inclined to support the regime against the armed Brotherhood movement.

                            Between February 1982 and March 18, 2011, the Syrian Brotherhood organization was actually an organization operating from outside Syrian borders: On March 11, 1982, it entered into an alliance with the Iraqi Baath Party to form the National Alliance for the Liberation of Syria, after refusing pressures exerted by Iraqi leadership since the summer of 1980. Moreover, during their period of strength, the Brotherhood took a hostile position toward the opposing Democratic Movement in the period after the first declaration of the National Democratic Rally on March 18, 1980. Between 1986 and 1996, the Brotherhood was divided into two organizational concepts that had two different orbits: Riyadh and Baghdad. The first, the Aleppo branch, was more moderate and inclined to engage in talks with the regime in Germany in 1987. The second, the Hama-Idlib branch, was more radical and disagreed with the first organization on supporting Iraq during the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

                    •  Everyone with a rifle pointing at their heads (1+ / 0-)
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                      Agrees. Assad should be dictator for life.

                      I need your support, my paypal is:

                      by Horace Boothroyd III on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:07:35 AM PDT

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    •  ISIS is well established in Syria (0+ / 0-)

      They have had full control of Raqqa since taking it from the Syrian "rebels" in March.

      Iraqis, Saudis call the shots in ISIS ‘capital’ Raqqa
      After rebels pushed forces loyal to President Bashar Assad out of Raqqa last March, ISIS moved quickly to impose its iron-fisted rule.

      Residents say the jihadists chased other rebel and Islamic groups out of town and kidnapped political and military rivals who dared to stay.

      “In Raqqa, ISIS has offices for everything you can imagine: health, education, security, Islamic aid, tribal relations management, and even an embassy of the emirate of Aleppo,” according to Omar al-Huweidi, a writer and ISIS expert from Raqqa pushed out by the group to Turkey.

      “When jihadists first arrived in Raqqa province in 2012, they were a group of 10 or 15. Today, ISIS controls every single aspect of life in Raqqa,” Huweidi told AFP.
      Thousands of young Syrians, many of them uneducated, have flocked to ISIS, which they see as a radical, potent alternative to the poorly organized, ill-equipped rebel Free Syrian Army.

      Part of the allure is the fact that the group is wealthy and well-armed.

  •  He thought... (3+ / 0-)

    ...these were the landscapers for one of his 27 houses.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:55:41 PM PDT

  •  I'm going to violate my self-imposed... (9+ / 0-)

    prohibition on raising hypothetical "can you imagine the reaction if.." debate points. I cannot resist.

    Can you imagine the reaction if Obama or Hillary or Kerry blundered into a photo op with a known terrorist?

    Fox News would change its logo to an exploding head. The House of Representatives would run out of Articles of Impeachment forms. Sarah Palin would fly from her backyard to Russia on a broom...

  •  More profit = arming both sides (4+ / 0-)

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:09:49 PM PDT

  •  Can you imagine if this had been (7+ / 0-)

    Barack Hussein Obama who took this pic with a know terrorist group.
    Ooo la la! Fox, CNN, and the MSM would be having a field day.

    Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

    by JoanMar on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:14:33 PM PDT

  •  I expect zero fallout (6+ / 0-)

    since that picture of Rummy glad-handing with Saddam Hussein got pushed under a rug and down the ol' rabbit hole years ago.

    Same shit, different day, different bodies. Man, some things never change.

    "Inevitability" diminishes free will and replaces it with self-fulfilling prophecies."--Geenius At Wrok

    by lunachickie on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 06:56:58 PM PDT

  •  Contradictorian (5+ / 0-)

    He wins the prize for contradicting himself more than any other politician, ever.  

    He staged another photo op at some point in IRaq to make it seem as if everything was hunky dorey, and totally safe.  

    What a tool bag.  Leathery.  


    by otto on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:08:07 PM PDT

  •  Paling around with terrorists? (4+ / 0-)

    What will Sarah say?

    All roads lead to Chalabi.

    by steelman on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 07:45:21 PM PDT

  •  Interesting that the blog linked in the diary is (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Horace Boothroyd III

    right-wing, or at least most of the posts are anti-Democrat. I guess McCain isn't universally popular on that side either.

    •  The Right has definitely factionalized. (2+ / 0-)
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      drmah, BRog

      And are absolutely useless as a political entity.

      Which makes me furious the Democrats refuse to do little more than complain the Republicans won't let them do anything.

      Use the same methods they are using to attack Liberals and go after the Right.

      I need your support, my paypal is:

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 06:46:59 AM PDT

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  •  I remember that Pic. Our currnet Indiana Govenor (1+ / 0-)
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    Horace Boothroyd III

    Mike Pence, was with McCain on that trip.  This is worth all of us remembering because Pence thinks he's a contender for the Tea Party candidate for POTUS>

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