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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." -  Lord Acton

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If we were to try to identify the most corrupt of the U.S. government agencies, we would be hard pressed to find any more vile and destructive than the Drug Enforcement Agency led by Director Michele Leonhart, a holdover from the Bush administration renominated by President Obama in a gesture of goodwill to the Republicans and his homage to Abraham Lincoln's tradition of bipartisanship.  

Now, Mark Weisbrot, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, brings us news that the Drug Enforcement Agency has been operating as a front for the National Security Agency to spy on foreign governments, corporations and individuals in Latin America -  in fact, the DEA and NSA are operating as a "two-way street." In The Hill we learn the sordid details  Another US spying problem in Latin America: The DEA.

But now, thanks to additional leaked documents described by Ryan Devereaux, Glenn Greenwald, and Laura Poitras in The Intercept, we find there is another U.S. agency working with the NSA that poses similar threats: the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).  According to the documents, there is a “two-way information sharing relationship” between the DEA and NSA:  it’s not just the NSA helping the DEA catch drug traffickers, but also the DEA helping NSA with its non-drug-related spying programs.

From the Intercept: “DEA is actually one of the biggest spy operations there is,” says Finn Selander, a former DEA special agent …“Our mandate is not just drugs. We collect intelligence.”  ... Selander added that “countries let us in because they don’t view us, really, as a spy organization.”

This is potentially an even bigger breach of diplomatic trust than the NSA spying that Rousseff denounced at the U.N.  Governments allow the DEA access to military, police and intelligence resources – sometimes including phone-tapping -- as part of a collaborative effort with the United States to fight organized crime. They do not expect that by doing so they are unwittingly assisting the NSA and the enormous U.S. intelligence apparatus with unauthorized spying for political or commercial purposes.

President Dilma Rousseff and former President da Silva have called for apologies.

Our U.S. relationships with Brazil were already in rough waters after documents leaked by Edward Snowden inidicated Brazil was one of the top targets of NSA spying including the personal phone calls of President Rousseff and the computer systems of Petrobras - Brazils national oil company. President Obama apologized on our behalf and we promised we would not do this anymore.

Are we learning now this may be a promise our President can not keep? Are the spying and surveillance habits of our vast intelligence system even known, and knowable by our political leaders?

Last year, among the documents released by Snowden, and published in the New York Times, was an inconspicuous memo that received little attention, but I noticed it because I'm obsessed with the idea that the DEA has become so corrupt the only solution is to abolish it, and spread any legitimate functions it has among the 15 other federal law enforcement agencies.

The memo was from an NSA operative to a DEA investigator. The NSA operative had obtained information about a non-terrorist drug dealer spotted by the NSA in this massive illegal terrorist data mining operation, that we've been assured is only used for to identify terrorists.

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Consider for a moment this plot of our prison population which has increased almost 10 fold since Richard Nixon launched the diabolical war on American drug users. 2.2 million American are not in prisons - the largest number of any country in the world, and the largest fraction of population of any country in the world. This is an example of the power of the DEA corrupting the soul of America.

The NSA operative was sending the intelligence to the DEA operative because he knew the DEA was investigating this same target. The memo mentioned that of course, none of this intelligence could be used in court, or revealed, and the DEA would have to develop and use its "own sources."  This is clearly an illegal use of the massive illegal database.

A few weeks later on one of the Sunday talk shows one of the Republican intelligence apologists (but it could have just as easily have been one of the Democratic intelligence apologists) grandstanded, saying that despite all of the "millions of pages" of Snowden releases, not one example of an illegal damage to civil rights has been shown. What?

I waited for the others to jump up and shoot down this obviously bogus statement, but no one did, and the advocates concerned about intelligence abuses changed the subject appearing to lose the point.

Even in this example, I'll be the first to admit, our temptation as normal people is to say "what do we care about this drug dealer," we might even think. "good for the NSA and DEA, if they can get more efficient at putting away criminals." But, this example here, illustrates, in a trivial way, the broader, harder to understand definition of "corruption," which in this case includes "dysfunction" - the system has become more complicated, than our finite human minds, in our normal daily operations, in a democracy can effectively manage.

In this "trivial" example the effective and ongoing, and self-correcting operation of our democracy has become 'corrupted," and is now imperiled by the evolution of unbalanced  systemic powers not anticipated by our founding father and mothers. No conspicuous damage is done to anything we care about - except that our top law enforcement officials, at the highest level, with this incredibly powerful new intelligence power, learn that violating the law, our constitution, and deceiving the press, Congressional oversight committees, and even the President of the United States is not only OK, but a trivial day to day thing that can be done for a matter so trivial as to bring in a minor drug dealer!  

It is mentioned once as a minor detail in a newspaper article, and no one on the Congressional oversight committees, NSA, DEA, White House, Judicial branch, or media mentions it again, to my knowledge. In fact, several officials from these groups repeatedly and falsely claim that no evidence of inappropriate use of the data has been found in the data dumps.

Directors of these agencies caught in blatant lies to Congressional oversight committees are not fired, or prosecuted but still serving as directors! Congressman do not demand prosecution or even resignations. In systems thinking this is an example of the "Eroding Goals" archetype which generate's the behavioral pattern called "drift to low performance."

Which in this case is occurring to our Constitutional traditions and form or government that all of these people have taken their highest oath to protect and serve, and here we see clear evidence that they are not.  

This ladies and gentleman is a level of corruption that will not blink at breaking the laws and committing the same lies to Congress to violate the civil rights of a future Nelson Mandela who this time may be an and Islamic Occupy Wall Street protester, or a journalist who may be about to expose illegal practices of the NSA.  

 photo RacePrison_zpsed6146d5.gifWe know it is racist, and we know it is wrong, and we know we are not going to do anything about it, because the DEA's corruption has reached even into our souls.

This is just a little tip of an iceberg illustrating a part of the "creeping corruption," an over-extensive, intelligence-police enforcement-military system that has grown in power vastly out of proportion to the oversight power of the legislative oversight branch, or even the executive branch, which it is part of.

In this regard "corruption" has a broader systemic meaning,"  - in this case the erosion of the "rule of law" - as it is replaced by an ethos of "might makes right" and "the ends justifies the means." Before long we have FBI agents spying on Congressmen for J. Edgar Hoover so he has leverage to pass his budets, or the CIA classifying Nelson Mandela as a terrorists so anyone sending him supportive letters, or money can be arrested, as really happened 50 years ago.

Not even to image if we had another Richard Nixon (Chris Christie). A few days ago, someone wrote a post, or an article about how the Boston Regional Intelligence office  (BRIC had classified non-violence protesters, and occupy participants as "potential terrorists" so they could have agents infiltrate their groups.

Rousseff summed it all up rather succinctly in a blunt speech at the United Nations last September, denouncing “a situation of grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties; of invasion and capture of confidential information concerning corporate activities, and especially of disrespect to national sovereignty.”
 

Much has been written about how much America's war on drugs have corrupted the military, police, and systems of justice of Mexico and Latin American countries with vast flows of money establishing networks of illegal cartels more powerful than any government who buy off judges, generals, police forces, presidents etc. What we hear less of of is how deeply this corruption has affected the United States, but it has, and has affected us more deeply than we realize.

Imagine the absurdity of a few dozen Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee Members and their staff "keeping tabs on" a $1.2 trillion dollar military industrial-intelligence police enforcement system" with "triple super secret classification." Or, the President, in the White House with a few dozen of his own cabinet secretaries and staff. The would need PhD.s in computer science and mathematics just to understand some of this issues.  

And, we now know from Dick Cheneny and Judith Miller that much of the information they are reading in secret reports is totally falsified and manufactured to manipulated their thought processes, yet these couple of dozen "Intelligence Oversight" guardians wish us to "trust their good word" that all is well and they have our best interest well guarded - NOT! They have already repeated proven their failure. The system is broken  and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a liar or an idiot. Or, perhaps both.

We need a major Blue Ribbon Review. Congressional hearing will not be adequate as their failure to act already on the available evidence is sufficient proof of their inadequacy for the task.

So, I don't know how to take on this whole vast system. But, it seems as if we can start with a symbolic gesture by focusing on one part of it we know without doubt is a bad apple, that should not be there. The whole DEA should be shut done in my opinion, but starting with demanding the resignation of Michele Leonhard is as tangible a sybolic action as I can figure. (See my last dozen archives articles on DEA Director Michele Leonhart.)

Thanks to Notreadytobenice for this link to the petition at www.change.org

Petitioning President Barack Obama - Fire Anti-Marijuana DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart!

And, even though it may seem to be a non-sequitar relative to the larger issues, for no other reason than it sends a tangible immediate vote of "no-confidence" to Michele Leonhart, the DEO, and the DOJ war on American drug users, which is a first step in the direction of goodness on this other bigger issues, please join us in asking your Senators to protect medical marijuana from federal interference the way the U.S. House has done banning the DEA from using taxpayer money to interfere with medical marijuana laws.

If you could imagine how much shitting of bricks this House vote caused in the DEA you'd join us in supporting these calls even if you oppose the measures just for the fun of imagining these authoritarian martinets get a good spanking. Come on, you know you'd love to see this. We could all use the "is it wrong that I'm smiling joke again."  

Please use this site provided by the Drug Policy Alliance to send a message to your state Senators and your House Representative asking for them to: End the Federal Assault on Medical Marijuana

The U.S. House passed an amendment banning the Drug Enforcement Administration from using our taxpayer money to interfere in states with medical marijuana laws! Now it goes to the Senate. Ask your Senators to protect medical marijuana from federal interference.

Originally posted to PostHuffPost: Connection-Conversation-Community on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM PDT.

Also republished by DKos Cannabis Law and Drug War Reform.

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  •  Tip Jar (34+ / 0-)

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    by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 11:44:37 AM PDT

  •  This is rapidly becoming apparent... (12+ / 0-)
    Are we learning now this may be a promise our President can not keep?
    I keep hoping a new Snowden leak will reveal the degree of POTUS' irrelevancy in the operation of domestic intelligence.

    Great diary btw, HD.

    Well done

    "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

    by markthshark on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:44:23 PM PDT

    •  Time will tell. Let's see what he does about it. (6+ / 0-)

      If he tries to sweep it under the rug, it will suggest one thing.

      If he demands and conducts a Blue Ribbon Commission, or even just puts some people like me "on the case" in the executive branch, it could be the opposite.

      We shall soon see.

      I think President Obama is a good person who wants to do the best he can, and he has tried to do so.

      But, that no human alive is capable of even imagining how vastly complicated as system our nation has become.

      We may not even have a language or adequate concepts for thinking and discussing it.

      If we used the metaphor of Lovelock's La Gaia Hypothesis - and imagine corporations, nations, and some other large systems may have achieved some level of consciousness, the military-industrial-complex, now with the add of of the DEA has allowed it to connect in local law enforcement is so vast we are like microbes in the guts of an ant trying to train  a wild elephant to behave better.  This elephant can't even see us and care not a wit for what we think.

      No way President Obama could have realized that even as the chief number 1 Microbe he may have bigger challenges than he realized.

      He is probably just now realizing the magnitude of the job he has taken on.

      Fortunately, he is brilliant, energetic, and young, and I'm confident his best work is still ahead of him somehow.

      I expect he will be taking on some of these bigger topics in the decades to come after his presidency is over.

      And, who knows. Maybe one day he will be Director General of the U.N.

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      by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:58:03 PM PDT

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    •  That's what I've long thought. (0+ / 0-)

      Although he may bear culpability for not shaking the place up to find out what's happening.  There is probably a two way agreement, of you don't ask upsetting questions, and we won't upset you by answering them.  That's how it worked for years before the Church Committee.

  •  NSA: "Hey look, (8+ / 0-)

    someone left the door open."

    DEA: "Well we should probably rob the place"

    •  Joe Good Guy: (0+ / 0-)

      Hey look someone left his car door open in the drive way, I'll just go and lock it for him. Being locked out better than having it stolen...boom distracted homeowner stands his ground. One more good Samaritan shot.

      But the conservatives OK random drone attacks because the activity looked suspicious. Can't tell difference between weddings and gang meet ups.

  •  How did we get so many liars in our law (7+ / 0-)

    enforcement?

    Anyone have decades long statistics on perjury charges against police officers? I'd like to see if there is something showing where the break happened.

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    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:44:50 PM PDT

    •  Did you ever here about the Zimbardo experiments? (4+ / 0-)

      About 40 or 50 years ago a professor at Stanford, I think it was, divided up a group of students, half were the prisoners and half were he guards in a real life 24/7 prison simulation.

      They had to call the experiment off in less than a week because the guards got out of control with abuses.

      With an extended metaphor, I think we see similar systemic issues in all federal agencies involved with intelligence, enforcement, and military that involves application of power, control, and surveillance to civilian populations.

      An inherent "us versus them" psychology develops that conflates with "we are the good guys" fighting a thankless battle against the bastard bad guys."

      I did a bunch of PhD seminars with an anthropologist because I had already completed all the courses in my field. He had done enthno-graphic participant-observation field work with the British police force and recounted such a psychological typology.

      Once one sees oneself as the guardian of goodness fighting evil, then the next step is "the ends justifies he means."

      It's okay if we break the law, behind the scenes if nobody knows about it if this lets us put away bad guys who might otherwise get way.

      Once that line is crossed, it is the point of no return and the system is corrupted.

      The next step is "you are either with us our against us" and by that time "rule of law" is gone, and one is part of a tribal mafia or gang run by a godfather or "president" but no constitutional tradition.

      The attitude is like George Bush and Dick Cheney who could wipe their ass with our constitution for all they cared.

      Too many liberal, progressives, and Democrats fail to realize what a crucial and deep point the difference between "might makes right" and "rule of law" systems are.

      Thinking it was sufficient just to get rid of George Bush and Dick Cheney and the top 10 unindicted co-conspirators was hopelessly inadequate if the rest of the system keep operating by the "tribal ethos."

      Which is why we need to for Michele Leonhart and the top 30 people around her.  Most are probably civil service so you can't fire them but you could send them to Siberia, but send a strong signal to the system that the rule of law is now the new operating instructions - not just that we've only changed the picture of the president on the wall.

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      by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:16:03 PM PDT

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      •  Look up (2+ / 0-)
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        Prisonexperiment.org iirc

        When I say we are living the Stanford Experiment what you listed above is what I am speaking of.

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        by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:18:37 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks Horace, I missed that reference. Shesh. (2+ / 0-)
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          I''m slowing down as I get older. Ya gotta explain the jokes to me.

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          by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:35:59 PM PDT

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          •  You missed it because I didn't use that (2+ / 0-)
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            in the comment above.

            I did a post on the SE over two years ago.

            Would you mind taking another crack at it?

            Knowledge is power.

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            by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:44:12 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, good. I"m relieved. I'm actually way too (2+ / 0-)
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              young to have to use the senior moment excuse. But, I will as a last resort.  LOL.  

              So, now I'll have to say yes, I'll take another crack at "it." If you will be so kind as to tell me what "it' is and where I can find it, and what you want me to do with it.

              I have to presume now that you are just toying with me as an easy joke Horace. Go ahead, have your fun, what goes around comes around ya know.

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              by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 02:07:54 PM PDT

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              •  I'm entirely Sirius (1+ / 0-)
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                Look here

                The Stanford Experiment is something we should post yearly.

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                by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 02:47:10 PM PDT

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                •  Yes, that's the one. Excellent write up. I rec'd (1+ / 0-)
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                  it. Are you a professor some where?

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                  by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 07:15:07 PM PDT

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                  •  High school drop out. (0+ / 0-)

                    You?

                    I did complete the program at the academy in Tucson though for LE stuff. I'm actually on their web page in more than one place. They apparently used my class for their photographs. I also studied sociology at RCC under Jami Brown who also studied law enforcement before seeing the deception and high tailing it.

                    To be fair I gravitate to professors and grad students at parties for conversation though.

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                    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 08:14:02 PM PDT

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      •  The excuse for a decade of giving carte blanche (3+ / 0-)
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        to the Sinaloa cartel by the DEA, e.g. supplying them with weapons and fighting their competitors while not interfering with their drug operations, was because it led to a "net decrease of drugs on the street." Oh, the altruism of it all.
        It is time to dissolve the DEA. They serve no public purpose other than to make sure that the drug war goes on indefinitely.

        "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

        by shmuelman on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 04:38:30 PM PDT

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  •  The White House directly funds and co-manages... (7+ / 0-)

    ...the DEA surveillance dragnet via the White House Drug Czar. This includes the White House's co-funding and direct access/management of the AT&T Hemisphere Project, arguably, the MOST secret/covert surveillance (both domestic and international) conduit of all; and it's been widely described as being a much more vast phone dragnet than even the NSA's efforts, especially on the domestic front. (Although the NSA receives immense benefits from the program.) Hence, the President is enabled to invoke his own office's powers which technically (according to some legal decisions) circumvents the Fourth Amendment, etc., etc.

    So, everything's perfectly legal. (Additionally, anytime the President wanted to, he could turn this off; essentially, making everything he's stating in public about "reining in" domestic surveillance to be little more than kabuki. An inconvenient truth; but THE TRUTH, nonetheless.)

    I've stated many times in this community (in both comments and multiple diaries) that the AT&T Hemisphere Project may very well be the biggest and most important domestic surveillance story of all. Most recently, in this post on April 28th: Guardian, Wheeler Revisit “Hemisphere”: Massive, Secret U.S. Phone Dragnet Co-Funded by WH.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:52:17 PM PDT

    •  "Perfectly Legal" should have quotes around it... (8+ / 0-)

      ...in my previous comment, directly above, since the very concept--let alone the truth--that our government wants to turn this program (certainly illegal by many metrics and other facts) "off" is a total freakin' joke.  The administration--both through practice and basic fact--has been doing everything in its power(s) to EXPAND the over-the-top level of surveillance first instituted by the GW Bush administration, post 9/11, despite ANYTHING the public might here to the contrary. This reality has been proven COUNTLESS times, over the past few weeks and months, alone. (Never mind the endless instances of reports that demonstrate this reality is the basic TRUTH, as we've learned about it over almost 13 years.)

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 12:59:37 PM PDT

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      •  Whether it is technically legal or not I believe (5+ / 0-)

        it i unwise and goes against the spirit and basic
        engineering design of our constitution and government - that of offsetting and limited powers.

        No unlimited power can be trusted not to become "corrupted,"  In the definition it has here "corruption" is not a matter of morality or ethics but like a force in physics.  Power draws perceived goodness towards itself and repeals perceived badness.

        Any player, or "systemic agency" in a system that gains disproportionate power relative to the others in the system will draw resources, and other things away from those players towards itself,  subverting what should be the balanced flow of the "ecosystem."

        We need better word to explain it. As it is, this seems like an intractable problem because of language confounds.

        Here is an example of how problematic it becomes.  Imagine this line of thinking.

        If "we" are the "good guys," then it isn't really a problem if we have "too much" power because we would only do good things.

        In fact, we must constantly be increasing our power at all cost to stay more powerful than the "bad people" lest they become more powerful than us and do terribly bad things to us.

        Who are the bad people?  Anyone who opposes us and our our own endless concentration of power.

        And we now how a self-defined, recursive, self-perpetuating  closed system.

        Who are the biggest enemies?  Anyone who would try to suggest such a thing or dismantle our defense against external and internal enemies.

        In fact, or enemies or so dangerous and dastardly they could be sneaking into our society right now, it could be anyone one of us.

        Thank God we have Big Brother to watch out for us.

        How sad.

         

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        by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:33:19 PM PDT

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      •  "Rich men write their books of laws (4+ / 0-)

              for poor men to defend,

        But true law's only written
               in the hearts of honest men."

        line from a song I heard once

        Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

        by River Rover on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:55:34 PM PDT

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    •  You've been excellent on this topic bob. (4+ / 0-)

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      by HoundDog on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 01:17:58 PM PDT

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  •  The DEA acting in a corrupt, unconstitutional... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...manner? I'm SHOCKED, I telzya!

    The DEA has been a rogue agency since it's inception.

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 02:58:06 PM PDT

  •  As long as this "drug dealer" wasn't an (1+ / 0-)
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    American citizen, then there isn't a constitutional issue.

    The memo was from an NSA operative to a DEA investigator. The NSA operative had obtained information about a non-terrorist drug dealer spotted by the NSA in this massive illegal terrorist data mining operation, that we've been assured is only used for to identify terrorists.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 03:32:36 PM PDT

  •  The DEA has always been a completely redundant (1+ / 0-)
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    and totally unnecessary federal agency. The DEA should be immediately disbanded completely and the failed war on drugs needs to be converted into a simple medical treatment and education program similar to Portugal's drug program.

    Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

    by RMForbes on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 08:56:39 PM PDT

  •  They use proxies in every direction (0+ / 0-)

    Whether it is the quid pro quo exchange of information between agencies or between governments, or the use of fronts organizations.

    In fact it's the way a lot of information can be obtained "legally" by circumventing laws that would protect nationals - I spy on your citizens, you spy on mine.

    And then there is fun stuff like this:

    http://arstechnica.com/...

    And this:

    http://arstechnica.com/...

    And this:

    http://arstechnica.com/...

    No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

    by koNko on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 10:57:00 PM PDT

  •  I assume they were all Al Qaeda, (0+ / 0-)

    right?

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