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Someone who spews so much hatred with such authority must not ever consider the possibility that he himself might be destined for the same hellfire that he so easily casts others into.

I mean think of it. Someone is faithful their whole life. They live what they think and are taught is a righteous life according to scripture and they work very hard at it. But what if the unthinkable happens? After they die and are summoned to judgement, what if despite all their efforts on earth, the God that knows absolutely everything stacks it all up and says, "Do you know what? Not good enough."

They get a ride on the down elevator to eternal damnation. And how do you think that their faith is going to hold up then? Maybe they preserve their faith for 100 more years while in hell. But do you think it will last 1,000 years? 1,000,000 years? That's only a drop in the bucket of eternity. And it's fire and brimstone the entire time.

Can we just pause a second and think. Eternal. Damnation. Eternal. Torment. Hellfire. Forever. Torture. For. All. Of. Time. For fucking ever! For what?

We can assume that truly horrific acts are subject to this judgement. But only few in history probably rank so high that the punishment might actually fit the crime. For those who claim our justice system is built on Judeo-Christian principles must have to relegate God's ultimate justice system to the footnotes. I mean this is basically capital punishment times infinity. This is the worst most painful torture you can experience and you get to experience it constantly for a time period of forever. You'd almost have to say that an eye for an eye seems a better system than this.

Do you think that being LGBT is high enough of an offense to warrant this type of punishment? Do you think that just supporting LGBT people's rights is enough to warrant this type of punishment? If the answer is no, maybe that's because you, like most normal people, don't think that living according to your sexual orientation or gender identity is an offense to anyone, least of all God.

(Also, perhaps you don't think that people who pursue romantic interests, a sex life, or even a long term partnership have a problem that is indistinguishable from substance abuse for having done so.)

But according to some they themselves are on the righteous path with 100% chance of being judged favorably and going to heaven and others are off the path and therefore will live in torture for all of time after their life on earth.

Below the Fluer d'Orange is proof that Hell exists.

The following is a transcript of a conversation that happened between two dead people, one residing in Heaven and one in Hell and over a chasm that is so great that supernatural beings cannot cross but that dead people who have had their tongues tortured with fire can apparently talk loudly and clearly enough across. Proof enough that Hell exists.

Luke 16:19-31
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

Thankfully for the rest of us, the rich man who sinned is still in Hell, still suffering immeasurably, unable to ever ask for forgiveness, and never able to end his misery permanently. And it's only been a few thousand years. Still has millions and billions more to go! Popcorn anyone?

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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)

    "In text, use only a single word space after all sentence punctuation." - Oxford Style Manual, Oxford University Press, 2003.

    by shaggies2009 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 06:20:16 AM PDT

  •  He'll be there until his supernatural fat has (1+ / 0-)
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    i saw an old tree today

    been rendered.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 06:47:08 AM PDT

  •  the concept of hell (1+ / 0-)
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    = spiritual extortion.  Like the child molesting priests telling consenting adults they are going to hell for making love without the priestly authorization.

    The Buddhist concept of hell is one is thrust there by one's own mental afflictions and that it is not permanent - you can get out.

  •  If Heaven/Hell is a timeless place.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....there can be no motion, no train of thought, rather, a state of frozen-ness, a state of one micro-second that  ever ends.

    No time? No motion, no mentation (how does one thought lead to another when there's NO TIME?)

    Is the Christian image of the afterlife actually a Zen-like state of "no-thought"? (and they just never noticed the paradox hiding within their dogma?)

    Should Christians actually be taking yoga classes and learning to empty their minds as preparation for the "afterlife?"

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:05:41 AM PDT

  •  God v Christian hubris (0+ / 0-)

    9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
    11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
    12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

    1 Corinthians 8:9, 11–12

    19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
    20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
    21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
    22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    Deut. 19:20 - 22

    38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Romans 8:38 -39

    14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
    16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.…

    Romans 9:14 - 16

    “Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful -- just stupid.)” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

    by midgebaker on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:11:28 AM PDT

  •  Even in the most fundamentalist denominations, (0+ / 0-)

    everyone who repents and seeks forgiveness, (I.e., accepts Jesus as their personal savior) even in their last seconds of life, is forgiven and gets sent to Heaven.
       Hell seems to be a place that people naturally fall into unless they are "saved." The whole concept is a little vague, because there is a Judgement Day in most of these denominations, although they also believe that people go straight to Heave of Hell in current times.
       But mainline Protestants and numerous other denominations have gotten past the idea that Hell literally exists. It is now understood as a state of being apart from God.
        IOW, the diarist's missive is addressed to a subset of Christianity. It is best not to generalize about the entire religion - just as we, hopefully, don't generalize about Islam, based on the subset of Muslims who are jihadis, or about Judaism based on the eliminationist Zionists in the Israeli right wing.

  •  There is no "hell" (0+ / 0-)

    Because the place we are currently at is hell. Thinking logically: when there was War in Heaven and God cast out Lucifer, where was Lucifer cast down to? The Earth. What domain was Lucifer given to control until the end of time? Hell. Therefore: Earth=Hell.

    Therefore torment in Hell simply means having to be reincarnated here repeatedly until you learn. "Endless" only applies if you are unable to apply the lessons learned. Hmm sounds rather Buddhist, doesn't it?

    "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light, with the possible exception of bad news. Which follows its own special rules." ~ Douglas Adams

    by coyote66 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 10:37:48 AM PDT

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