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  •  They're gonna need a lot of diaper genies. n/t (9+ / 0-)

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 07:07:30 AM PDT

  •  Terror BABIES!!!!! (14+ / 0-)

    Louie Gohmert, you warned us. But did we listen? Noooooo!

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 07:12:21 AM PDT

  •  So much for: (5+ / 0-)

    "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    -Emma Lazarus

    Apparently the golden door is closed by the closed minded.

    "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

    by ditsylilg on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 07:26:20 AM PDT

    •  And none of that says (0+ / 0-)

      Come here illegally in violation of the nation's laws.

      Supporting "immigration" by illegal aliens is an insult to every immigrant, and their families, that went through the proper process.

      "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

      by blackhand on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 08:14:58 AM PDT

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      •  Tell that to Reagan... (1+ / 0-)
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        "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

        by ditsylilg on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 11:19:16 AM PDT

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      •  If you only opposed illegal immigration (3+ / 0-)

        because it was illegal, you'd support drastically increasing the amount of legal immigration allowed each year. Do you?

        •  I believe the current immigration policy (5+ / 0-)

          Is problematic and makes it too tough and that this is part of the problem.  That doesn't mean that I wouldn't favor having reasonable standards for who we allow to immigrate to this country and that the standards are more than simply having a pulse.  Most countries have standards to this effect.  

          "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

          by blackhand on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 01:46:59 PM PDT

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        •  I think increasing quotas would be a good idea... (1+ / 0-)
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          but not those from the Western hemisphere. There are way, way too many already. I'd support far more opportunities for Asians, Africans and Europeans. Under the current system, those are the people who are really being discriminated against.

        •  Sure ... (0+ / 0-)

          ALL countries have requirements for immigration.

          I would LOVE to leave the U.S. and would go live and work in Europe in a heartbeat, but it's not going to happen because they want to protect jobs for their own citizens first.

          Our unemployment rate is too high right now to let more unskilled people in.

        •  That makes no logical sense mag (0+ / 0-)

          Are you saying that infinitely expandable legal immigration is the proper response?   Maybe we need to accept immigrants from other countries in inverse proportion to their birth rates.

          I believe in continued legal immigration, but at a LOWER rate to make sure we can absorb immigrants into the foreseeable future.   The US has for the most part done its share in reducing non-immigration-related population growth (though not resource use) but there are far too many countries that still have ignorant cultural traditions of pumping out babies at obscene rates.    Though it may not seem "nice", they will never learn unless faced with the consequences (though in places like Bangladesh even that doesn't seem to help).

      •  Spoken like someone who thinks (6+ / 0-)

        it's easy to "legally" migrate to America.

        It's not:

        It's very easy to pick on people who jump the queue...but when the queue is decades long, it becomes a bit harder, yes?

        Or not, if you decide that these people aren't worth any empathy at all.

        "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

        by Australian2 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 04:49:15 AM PDT

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        •  Assuming your Australian as your handle suggests (2+ / 0-)
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          With all due respect, I don't see where you have grounds to complain about US immigration policy being difficult.  My understanding is that Australian immigration is very difficult.

          Whether or not I have empathy for those who desire to come here is also irrelevant.  The oft used excuse, "They just want a better life" holds ZERO sway we me.  I want a better life too, but I don't go stealing my neighbors stuff or any other illegal activity to get it.

          The illegal aliens are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

          "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

          by blackhand on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 06:05:45 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the cute graphic, Australian2 (2+ / 0-)
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          but we already allow millions of people to LEGALLY immigrate here every year. Never mind the millions that break into our country and demand a "special" path to citizenship because, well they're already here!

          Plus anyone who is pregnant can fly here and create a new citizen by having their baby on American soil. Even if that child is taken back to their county of origin, if he or she becomes disabled, they're eligible for Social Security Disability for the rest of their lives, thank to the American taxpayers. When they're 18, they're eligible for priority acceptance at US universities, and if there are no records of their family's income, they're eligible for free college. Meanwhile, their families don't have to have paid a dime in US taxes.

          So the immigration lines are long. Does that mean we're somehow being mean to people in other countries? We pay billions of tax dollars to help people in other counties.

          I think liberals are being duped into supporting the complete destruction of our middle class so that corporations can treat American workers the same way they treat workers in other countries.

          I'd prefer we export our concept of workers rights, no import millions of people so corporations can fire those of us who expect to get paid for our overtime work.

          Don't believe that this is what's happening? Take a look at employment changes in high tech companies. They bring in foreign employees with H1b visas and give them 60-80 hours of work for a 40 work week, then tell the American workers they don't work hard enough. (Which really means they shouldn't expect paid overtime). It's only the H1B limitations that are stopping our high tech companies from replacing all the American workers with more "reasonable" employees. You know, the ones that don't expect overtime pay, evenings at home, weekends off with the kids, OSHA protections, etc.

          The TPP and the so-called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" will change all that. Companies will get tax breaks for creating jobs here, even though they'll fill them with immigrants. H1B limitations will be replaced and eventually eliminated. Immigrants will be able to "earn citizenship" by taking jobs from Americans. If the new immigrants start expecting what we expect in terms of workers rights, they'll simply replace them with new immigrants.

          Meanwhile, liberals will facilitate this destruction of America's middle class by claiming those of us who see what's happening "mean" or "narrow minded" or "protectionist." They'll close their eyes and repeat, "They only take jobs that Americans don't want."

          Wake up progressives. This is a deliberate corporate strategy. Will you see it in time to protect our middle class? Or will you pretend this is all about a few poor farm hands as Google and IBM, HP, Dell, and all the other high tech companies collude with our government to destroy what we've created in America: a strong middle class with the power to demand workers rights and reasonable pay.

          Or you could just HR this comment and try to ban me because you don't want to see the writing on the wall...

          •  No, they'll just call you a racist (1+ / 0-)
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            And say that you are opposed to the illegals because of their skin color and language barrier.

            "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

            by blackhand on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:05:27 PM PDT

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          •  Totally agree with Newt and Blackhand (1+ / 0-)
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            I AM a Progressive but the one issue I am completely at odds with the platform is this stupid immigration reform.  The people pushing for it don't understand that it is continually bringing down the standard of living for all Americans, immigrants and born. As soon as the illegals are made legal, the mega-corporations that hire them will replace them with the new illegals as they have no tolerance for paying fair wages. Then we will have new unemployed legal immigrants joining citzens who have been jobless for years.
            How do the corporations manage to do this? By "sub-contracting" every job. They are allowing subcontractors to bring their crew onto the jobs. They don't have to deal with medical, taxes, unemployment, or federal wage laws. Or e-Verify.
            Please, next time you drive by a road project, look at the crew. Maybe its different further north, but here in Florida I rarely see whites or blacks on any of our state or federal road crews. Yet road work paid really well just a few years ago and Americans loved the jobs. Now our infrastructure is being built utilizing workers who are being paid less than minimum wage, no medical, no taxes, no proof of eligible status.
            This subcontractor nonsense has taken our jobs and left us unemployed. I owned a company that bid on these jobs. That is past tense because I could not come close to the bids being accepted. I asked how it was possible to pay a crew of three, cover all the necessary insurance and transportation of men and materials for $30.00 an hour.
            Then I saw ads on craigslist and discovered the other companies were bidding out the jobs without verifying any of the necessary requirements. So I closed down. I can't live on less than $10.00 an hour nor should I have to when I have treated employees fairly and followed the laws...which the employers of illegals do not abide by at all.
            This is just one of the reasons our standard of living has fallen over the last few decades. Think about the numbers. Currently 17 million plus are here illegally. The last amnesty we granted (and each time we were promised it would not happen again...there were standards in place to prevent it) was to over 15 million. And the one before that was around 10 million. How many times will we face this issue? That is 42 million people who came here illegally and found work "under the table," "off the radar," or "on the black market." Forty-two million people who are competing for the same jobs as Americans but are willing to work for far less. Of course the corporations are all for it. It is more profit for the 1% and they are the only ones who matter to the political parties.
            I am not a racist. I don't care where they come from. If they are from Canada, Europe, Austrailia or Asia and they are taking our jobs and lowering our standard of living...I am against it.
            I am progressive and I am against it.
            Its hard for everyone to emigrate. Doing it illegally is not the answer. Nor is increasing our immigration numbers to cater to their desire to come here.
            Let them improve their own countries where ever they are. Stop allowing people who are knowingly breaking the law to bring our standards down.

            •  Thats why we need.... (2+ / 0-)
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              to go after those who hire/use the illegals, and not so much the illegals themselves. We really wouldnt have as much immigration issue if the illegal wasn't going to know if he could get an under the table job or not.

              •  This is the answer right here (1+ / 0-)
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                and always has been.

                You want to stop illegal immigration, fine and jail the employers who hire them.  If there were no illegal jobs there would be no illegal immigrants.  Of course, huges parts of the American economy would collapse...

                The B1 visas are just as pernicious, enabling the hiring of foreign immigrants who displace American workers.

                Mediocrities, entrusted with power over their fellow- creatures, invariably develop into tyrants. All history proves it. - Frederick Baron Corvo

                by penelope pnortney on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 10:48:17 PM PDT

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              •  Rec for going after the employers, but (0+ / 0-)

                We need to go after both.  Yes, we need to make it less desirable to risk hiring illegals.  We also need to address the fact that they come here illegally because they think they will get a better life, even as an outlaw.  We need to change that too.  

                "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

                by blackhand on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:58:22 AM PDT

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                •  This discussion by you and a couple of others (1+ / 0-)
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                  communicates a real sense of hostility toward immigrants--and especially immigrants "from the Western hemisphere."  That translates to a bias against people of color, as the person who made that point must know.

                  Further, the immigration issue is absolutely not the cause of the declining middle class.  Wealth inequality and the very rich trying to take all the resources of the country (and the power) is the cause of that.  These folks DO NOT NEED immigrants; they simply build their plants in China and India (used to be Mexico).  In fact, these corporations do not want "legal" immigrants because they have to pay them wages and benefits.  They much prefer the "illegals" who have no remedy for mistreatment.

                  We can fix the inequalities in our immigration system and also make it a fairer system.  Everyone can agree on that.  But to try to connect the immigration issue with the problems caused by an increasing oligarchy doesn't make any sense.

                  •  Deeply dishonest (0+ / 0-)

                    "  That translates to a bias against people of color, as the person who made that point must know."

                    Right, because all people from Latin America self-identify as non-white, and all Asians don't.  Oh, wait.

                    Having said that, ethnicity should play zero role in immigration regulations, of course.

                    The false dichotomy you advance - "either support making our own country the only one in the world whose citizens cannot regulate immigration into their own country, or else racism" - and that's a very fair paraphrase - angers me.   It is the kind of trick I would more expect from Rush Limbaugh, than from a progressive.

                    People who are in the US in violation of immigration standards should be treated humanely, but serious potential immigrants should obey the law.

                    It would be nearly impossible for me to immigrate to Australia, and even more impossible to practice my profession there.

                    •  Your post here is confusing. (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't see a response to my actual post here, and especially your claim that I "advance" a "false dichotomy."  I neither suggested we should not "regulate immigration" nor did I suggest regulating it amounts to "racism."

                      My final paragraph sums up the point of my post.  

        •  If you're Indian with an it degree there is no ... (1+ / 0-)
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          If you're Indian with an it degree there is no queue. Come take my job right now.

      •  A poem on the Statue of Liberty (3+ / 0-)
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        should not be the basis of our current or future immigration policy. We already have a VERY  generous immigration policy, taking in millions of new people every year.

        I know some poems about the civil war. Should we have a new war because someone wrote a poem about the bravery of soldiers in the past?

        There's nothing closed minded in having a sensible immigration policy that prevents the destruction of the working and middle class in our country.

        Ditsylilg, the TPP and Comprehensive immigration are both designed to allow massive high tech immigration. Right now it's just blue collar jobs that have been at risk because of unbridled illegal immigration. But these new laws will remove the H1B barriers that have allowed our middle class to demand reasonable wages, a 40 hour work week with paid overtime, evenings and weekends off for most professional jobs and a safe workplace regulated by OSHA rules.

        What do you think will happen when Obama's Comprehensive Immigration Reform removes those H1B barriers America's corporations are now limited by?

        Say goodbye to our middle class. The teeming poor and huddled masses from overpopulated countries will be happy to come here and "earn citizenship" by taking American high tech jobs.

        Don't believe me? Read the damn bills in Congress.

        •  Welcome to the brave new world. (0+ / 0-)

          Welcome to the brave new world.

        •  You are mistaken. (0+ / 0-)

          These two issues are not cause and effect, and actually have very little relationship except for everything affecting everything to a degree.  We said goodbye to the middle class when we started allowing wealthy corporations to pay no or little tax by sending their jobs to other countries.  We said goodbye when we continued to give the very rich tax breaks in the hopes they would "create jobs."  

          The "teeming poor and huddled masses from overpopulated countries" do not have enough highly educated technology aces to make that much difference.

          Whose bill do you  refer to when you mention "Obama's Comprehensive Immigration Reform"?  Congress has to come up with the bill, not Obama.  And what barriers do our corporations have now?  I didn't think they had much of any.

          What we can agree on is immigration reform that would involve a "sensible" (as you stated) policy.

      •  Might want (0+ / 0-)

        to think about the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who came here with no paperwork saying they would be accepted, just their hope that they would be allowed to enter this "Land of the streets of gold."  Prior to WW 1, there were no concerns as to where you came from, or if you had any papers to prove anything.  As long as you were in reasonably good health, no problems. You might have to scramble to find a place to sleep the first night or two, but generally someone would take you in and help you get started in your new life.

        •  yes but you could also leave (0+ / 0-)

          It is true thar prior to WWI there were few immigration barriers anywhere.  Americans also frequently moved to other countries.

          It doesn't work like that anymore.  You can't easily immigrate legally to Australia.  Or Mexico.  A big issue is reciprocity.  

      •  Going through the proper process? (1+ / 0-)
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        When your pants are on fire? You idiot. When young children are being threatened if they don't go along with the criminals that rule the drug trade in these Central American countries, actually in fear for their lives, how do you think they're going to acquire the time and resources to apply for citizenship? You are a true idiot. And then the adults who are running scared. Where do you think they're going to find the financial resources to hire an immigration attorney? Again, you're an idiot.

        •  You think it is the job of the USA to take every (2+ / 0-)
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          refugee?  That is propaganda of the giant corporations and the rich 1% who want cheap labor.  
          Not only is illegal immigration breaking the law, but also it breaks the unions and the legit workers.
          And why insult people who disagree with you?  "Idiot" does not contribute to the discussion.  

        •  And kids in American ghettos aren't threatened? (0+ / 0-)

          Why should the kids from Central America take precedence over the poor kids in American Ghettos who are mostly African American? You can already see in Los Angeles how large swaths of African Americans who used to have working class jobs have been displaced by illegals who will do the same work for less money.

          I'd MUCH rather help a kid out of the ghetto in the U.S. FIRST and then, when the ghettos are gone, we can try to help the rest of the world.

      •  I tend to agree. We have LOTS of legal immigrants (1+ / 0-)
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        They work hard for their US citizenship and they value it and usually become excellent citizens.  Why allow criminals who break the law the citizenship just because our borders are porous?  
        Honest legal immigrants deserve our respect and support.  Illegals - no.

      •  Fighting the laws of supply and demand. (0+ / 0-)

        Much like illegal drugs, illegal immigration has big supply on one side of the law, and big demand on the other.   The sensible solution is to scrap failing legal barriers to the two connecting, and regulate it instead.

  •  A diaper full of SOMETHING, that's for sure. (5+ / 0-)

    I've long held that babies are born knowing the solution to Fermat's last theorem, but by the time they can talk, they've forgotten it.

  •  One day, political borders will be no more (2+ / 0-)

    It's a sad testament of our humanity when people are divided by walls, fences and gates no matter where you are in the world.

    •  This has ALWAYS been the case (0+ / 0-)

      Throughout history, people sort themselves into various groups. Not just by race, but by income, education, hobbies, and politics. Just by virtue of coming to this web site you're sorting yourself into a group of fairly like minded people.

      The same thing is occurring right now throughout the U.S. People are self-sorting into conservative and liberal communities.

    •  There is a reason (0+ / 0-)

      the Great Wall of China was built; it wasn't to protect jobs and keep the goats in...

  •  I am visiting my mom in Az (2+ / 0-)

    Repeated play of the hordes crawling over the border.

  •  Shouldn't the baby in the panels (1+ / 0-)
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    be at least a couple shades darker?

    This is one of the funniest comics you've brought us lately, Matt.  I think I recognize my neighbor (except the mustache), whom I make fun of relentlessly.
    Thank you!

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

    by SueDe on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 08:18:35 AM PDT

  •  Reminds me of the good old days, when the (3+ / 0-)

    Top Leader of the Church got together a claque of thugs, goons, and other mercenaries; called it a "National Guard" -  or some such other high-falutin' label to make it . . . sort of . . . appear to be all legal and proper; and then went down to where a peaceful encampment of Native American elders, women, and children were located - under the "protection" of the REAL U.S. ARMY - and massacred the folks there; including ripping babies from their Mothers' arms, and fetuses from pregnant women's wombs and dashing out their brains.  The "justification" for the latter action being - as the newspaper of the day said it - "Nits become lice".

    Today's apologists speak of the "White man's burden", and how terrible it is that babies of dark skin-color are "invading" our fair land of White "christian" purity.

    Out hyar in Injun Fightin' Country, we just call it, The Reverend Colonel Chivington's Sand Creek Massacre.

    Same basic approach to the problems.

  •  AQ's next plot .... BABY BOMBS!!!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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  •  A Diaper the size of Cantilopes! (1+ / 0-)
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    Seriously surprised that no one said that yet.

  •  Dont blame the Border Patrol (1+ / 0-)
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    They are just doing the job the politicians gave them. Many are compassionate parents themselves and hate this situation.

    I was a liberal when liberal was cool, I was a liberal when liberal wasn't cool, but I always was and always will be a liberal.

    by LemmyCaution on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 01:34:05 PM PDT

    •  My wife is part of the government task force (0+ / 0-)

      ICE, CBP, FEMA, HHS and other "bureaucrats" working to give these kids safe shelter and care.  They are not the ones who lured them here with stories of amnesty and they are not the ones who can grant them amnesty.  
      This cute and facile cartoon does progressives and liberals no favors.

      I was a liberal when liberal was cool, I was a liberal when liberal wasn't cool, but I always was and always will be a liberal.

      by LemmyCaution on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 01:41:18 PM PDT

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      •  So is the cartoonist going to respond? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        I was a liberal when liberal was cool, I was a liberal when liberal wasn't cool, but I always was and always will be a liberal.

        by LemmyCaution on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 07:17:34 PM PDT

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        •  This task force has been working for over (0+ / 0-)

          two weeks at least on this. Daily meetings and conferences, moving personnel, equipment and resources around the country. And this guy does a cheap cartoon with a Nazi Border Patrol agent.
           Am I mad, damn right. Crap like this make us look bad.

          I was a liberal when liberal was cool, I was a liberal when liberal wasn't cool, but I always was and always will be a liberal.

          by LemmyCaution on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 07:28:13 PM PDT

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          •  I sent Borr or Bort an email (0+ / 0-)

            telling him what a douche he was insulting federal and state employees.
            Posting crap on a blog does not make you hero. A hero are the civil service employees rescuing and taking care of these children. Working night and day. Borr get your ass down to Texas and get to work.

            I was a liberal when liberal was cool, I was a liberal when liberal wasn't cool, but I always was and always will be a liberal.

            by LemmyCaution on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 07:36:21 PM PDT

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            •  Just my take... (1+ / 0-)
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              I can't speak for the artist, and this probably doesn't help, but when I read the cartoon, I didn't take it as an attack on the border patrol staff. The "Nazi border patrol agent" felt more like a personification of the sometimes draconian rules and not a real representation of the people on the ground.

              What was actually intended? Only the artist knows. But it's good to see border patrol folks are just as passionate about the plight of those mentioned.

              •  I did not take it that way either... (0+ / 0-)

                It is symbolic to me. They don't make the decisions on this anyway. And the whole cartoon is an exaggeration of the problem.

                I have no problem with the border patrol at all.

                I take the phrase "Bleeding Heart Liberal" as a compliment...

                by Pixie5 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 09:40:07 PM PDT

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  •  cartoon images (0+ / 0-)

    such a funny but direct hit on point. now a day newspaper writer use this awesome theme for commenting on the politician and rich people.

    Admit Card

  •  The US is reaping its reward (3+ / 0-)
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    Remember all the American interference in Latin nations when the people there decided they wanted to elect socialist governments to help them and their families. Well the people lost and many killed by US supported right wing militias. Now many decades later these same people are sending their children to the US to be cared for there because their own US installed right wing governments won't help. Of course in some cases it is just Mexicans sending their children to their ancestral lands which were violently torn away from Mexico by an American policy of  lebensraum.

    •  Interesting perspective...I might do some research (0+ / 0-)

      on that.

      However I think the problem is much more complicated than that. Overpopulation is a big part of the problem and we can lay that on the Catholic Church. While I like this new Pope much more than previous ones, I would like to know what he intends to do about this. He is correct that we should all be concerned about poverty, but he has not addressed all of the reasons for it. Sure there are greedy people who don't share. But the policy of no birth control makes it virtually impossible to address the main root cause, overpopulation.

      Unfortunately these people are reproducing exponentially here as well. I am not saying it is all their fault, but the despite the fact that the US is a large chunk of land, we really do not have as many resources as it may seem. Plenty of land is simply unusable to sustain a population. We have huge chunks of desert land, but little water to make it usable. The desert lands that we have developed, literally have to steal water hundreds of miles away to sustain them. Las Vegas for example. And SoCal. Los Angeles only exists by stealing water from NoCal. Pretty much all of Southern CA is desert, except for the mountains and beaches. And now we are in the worst drought in a long time and that affects the whole state.

      Another problem that has contributed to this is the discontinuation of a very successful program that allowed them to come here on seasonal work Visa's to pick crops and then take the money home and they could live on it for the rest of the year. But someone complained that it took jobs from Americans. The illegals only started coming here after that.

      As far as our war with  Mexico, it was wrong, but that was a long time ago. Beyond that, we did actually pay them for their land. I really do not see that they have a claim to that now.

      I take the phrase "Bleeding Heart Liberal" as a compliment...

      by Pixie5 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 10:05:42 PM PDT

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  •  Thinking rationally ... (0+ / 0-)

    What earthly good is it to have security at airports, and to check legal immigrants for diseases such as TB, if we're going to allow millions to simply just walk into the country.

    Granted, most are likely healthy and most are unlikely to be terrorists. Still, with no security at the border we're really just asking for trouble.

    I say this as a second generation U.S. citizen whose parents were naturalized and went through all of the proper channels.

    At the BARE MINIMUM, everyone apprehended at the border should be given a T.B. test.

  •  Illegal Immigration is Part of the War on Workers (0+ / 0-)

    Illegal immigration is part of the war on workers currently being waged against working and middle class people. For example, my brother was a union carpenter and now works at a much lower paying job because carpentry is mostly done by illegals making $7-$10 an hour.

    "They're doing the jobs no one wants to do" is an incomplete sentence. "They're doing the jobs no one wants to do FOR THE WAGE BEING OFFERED". If the illegals weren't here working for slave wages, companies would have no choice but to pay more.

    True, illegal immigration isn't the ONLY thing hollowing out the middle class (technology and overpopulation play a role too) but it is making the problem worse.

  •  Don't worry (0+ / 0-)

    Texas Teabaggers are trying to find a law to get the kids the death penalty. That will solve it.

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