Skip to main content

Multi-millionaire Nick Hanauer is no dummy. He sees the writing on the wall.

I'd strongly suggest you read this entire piece titled "The pitchforks are coming . . . for us Plutocrats"

And what do I see in our future now?

I see pitchforks.

At the same time that people like you and me are thriving beyond the dreams of any plutocrats in history, the rest of the country—the 99.99 percent—is lagging far behind. The divide between the haves and have-nots is getting worse really, really fast. In 1980, the top 1 percent controlled about 8 percent of U.S. national income. The bottom 50 percent shared about 18 percent. Today the top 1 percent share about 20 percent; the bottom 50 percent, just 12 percent.

But the problem isn’t that we have inequality. Some inequality is intrinsic to any high-functioning capitalist economy. The problem is that inequality is at historically high levels and getting worse every day. Our country is rapidly becoming less a capitalist society and more a feudal society. Unless our policies change dramatically, the middle class will disappear, and we will be back to late 18th-century France. Before the revolution.

And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

Read more:

  I remember hearing a phrase during Occupy, "If you won't let us dream we won't let you sleep". What happens when real opportunity for everyone below $100k evaporates entirely? What happens when people can't find decent paying jobs that they can afford to live on? What happens when people have had enough?
   I don't want things to get that bad. I have often tried my best to get out in front of the problem before it gets worse. I don't have the resources or clout to be heard, my lack of money as speech prevents that, but Nick Hanauer does, and he is spelling it out for his uber-rich compatriots, cut the shit out before you unleash all hell on yourselves.
   No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. It’s not if, it’s when.

Read more:

  Slightly more below the fold . . .

  Hanauer calls out the idiocy of "Trickle Down" as well as the entire GOP and too many elected Dems who think they can ignore inequality or appease it with weasel words while they continue their crazed weasel orgy behind closed doors with their wealth donors, but the reality is simply, if people have no money that is not only bad for the economy, it is bad for society as a whole. A society where only the wealthiest 1% benefit is a society destined for upheaval.

   Now, for the GOP, this is a win/win. They rob everyone who isn't rich, create misery and then run on the misery they have created by redirecting it at their usual enemies, non-republicans, brown people, muslims, gays, women, gubmint, whatever. The problem with playing with fire is that you too can be burned, and where there are pitchforks there are bound to be torches.

   Take raising the minimum wage for instance. Seattle just did that and their economy isn't falling into the pacific ocean, in fact, their city is enjoying an economic renaissance. As Hanauer states in his article the two big cities with the highest minimum wages are San Francisco and Seattle. The two cities with the largest small business job growth are also San Fran and Seattle. If raising wages HURTS workers why are the cities and states that are raising the minimum wage prospering while states that are stuck in ZombieReaganland lagging behind the rest of the country? It's simple, economic growth is meaningless when 95% of the growth goes to that one rich guy, and eventually the other 99% of us figure it out and either shit changes for the better for us or the pitchforks come out.

   I do NOT want the pitchforks, but at some point shit is going to snap. There is a limit to what people will put up with. The Super-rich who insist on testing that limit will soon find that history tends to repeat itself.

   Do the Super-rich want an America that resembles France before Bastille Day? Cause the French Aristocracy back then didn't see it coming either.

   Keep this shit up and it is coming, Plutocrats. And I'm not threatening you, I'm stating reality and the all too easy to predict thing about history repeating itself.

   Because we can't hope that corporations and the super rich will do the right thing eventually. That doesn't work. We need to pass LAWS that compel businesses to do what is right for society as a whole, not just their own special interests. All of the CRAP about how we can't raise wages or it'll took r jerbs is just that, crap. This is what the super rich have been saying since we first instituted the minimum wage and it NEVER turns out the way they say it will, same as how Iraq will pay for itself or death panels are coming and on and on. We have to pass laws that compel businesses to pay decent livable wages, and in order to that we need to vote for sane, reality-based lawmakers who will do that.

   But to conclude my point, please read this entire piece for a health dose of sanity from one of the .01%ers who gets it. I am not against rich people. I am against rich people who try to make themselves richer by keeping the rest of us poor and miserable. Eventually those poor and miserable people figure out who is keeping them poor and miserable. Wingnuts in the service of the Plutocrats want you to think it's the Gubmint. The vast majority of Americans who are not demented right wing nut jobs know better. You can only push those people too far until your gated communities won't keep you secure anymore.

   I will finish by stating the obvious, shit remains fucked up and bullshit. The plutocrats need to let the rest of us enjoy some long overdue prosperity and wage increases before the most extreme among us decide that isn't enough and start calling for the pitchforks. I don't want that, it's the last thing I want to see. The wealthiest .01% have a choice, as Mr. Hanauer states at the end of his piece, they can either start paying decent wages or they can "sit back, do nothing, enjoy our yachts. And wait for the pitchforks."




Originally posted to MinistryOfTruth on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:15 AM PDT.

Also republished by Hellraisers Journal and Daily Kos Classics.

Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags


More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Tips for reality (848+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Meteor Blades, skybluewater, RichM, Alumbrados, Angie in WA State, Chilipalmer, cslewis, Sylv, chuck utzman, Ducktape, Yosef 52, LeislerNYC, Phoenix Woman, Odysseus, Thunder, Brainwrap, copymark, glitterscale, tin woodswoman, emal, PeterHug, DebtorsPrison, Emerson, Shockwave, Caniac41, billlaurelMD, cotterperson, hyperstation, OLinda, Byron from Denver, Stein, mslat27, eeff, TX Unmuzzled, xynz, polecat, mzinformed, elfling, TarheelDem, Matilda, grover, floridagal, Caneel, hubcap, Birdman, ssgbryan, groversald, RubDMC, rasbobbo, Gustogirl, workersuntie, opinionated, joynow, susans, TracieLynn, EricS, cskendrick, otto, smokem2271, CanisMaximus, mauricehall, ivote2004, retLT, Miss Blue, sngmama, PeteZerria, librarianma, Tamar, Libby Shaw, CarolinW, Robynhood too, Andrew F Cockburn, Sychotic1, fou, peregrine kate, RN that thinks, Flint, mamamedusa, cpresley, wblynch, wolfpakheart, highacidity, Pixie5, bcinu2, choicelouisiana, unclebucky, KenBee, david5372, Wife of Bath, Morningglory, OrdinaryIowan, nice marmot, bartcopfan, Abinold, raspberryberet, maryabein, weneedahero, silverfoxcruiser, ninkasi23, SillyMama, nicolemm, cyncynical, Chaddiwicker, NYC Sophia, CoyoteMarti, Wreck Smurfy, Indiana Bob, greengemini, DWG, Ratiocination, a small quiet voice, TexDem, Blight45, Hetrose, jazzman143, Propter Hoc, BlueInARedState, up2it, pat bunny, Laurel in CA, Grainpaw, reasonshouldrule, Doctor Who, 417els, peacestpete, tofumagoo, donkeykick, All In, Jesse Douglas, IamGumby, friendjudy, Tex Arcana, VickiL, cowdab, dandy lion, Ditch Mitch KY, KDfrAZ, creeping pagan, QBee59, IdaMena2, LeftHandedMan, asym, beesknees, emeraldmaiden, wolf advocate, delver, nyhcmaven84, cv lurking gf, exiledfromTN, k8dd8d, penelope pnortney, Jaimas, Gwennedd, meinoregon, Miss Jones, BeninSC, sciguy, Dolphin99, CaffeineInduced, kitty60, Eric Stetson, ArtemisBSG, eagleray, dalef77, Tim DeLaney, renbear, hbk, david78209, Global Interest, Outrider, leftneckgirl, judgemaggie, Robert Slaven, oldcrow, Quilldriver, kenwards, shermanesq, ahsken77, ceebee7, MrLuckyman, Obi don, Loose Fur, JayFromPA, oslyn7, DavidinWY, 6ZONite, Situational Lefty, timewarp, redwolf68, indedave, chickeeee, WakeUpNeo, SirReal, EquityRoy, fcvaguy, Creosote, Russ Jarmusch, Quabbin, miango113, ChuckInReno, Don Quixote, SphericalXS, enufenuf, kjmclark, BMScott, ifthethunderdontgetya, bmastiff, Brooke In Seattle, OldGrammy, BaritoneWoman, Only Needs a Beat, twocrows1023, ypochris, splashy, aratinga, SquirrelQueen, paradise50, oldmilitant, agitatednactivated, Book of Hearts, NYWheeler, e2247, Teenygozer, PSzymeczek, Sk8eycat, Master Foo, Theoleman, mrkvica, rbird, CadOps, third Party please, Maudlin, bardgal, Whimsical Rapscallion, diverdown48, BusyinCA, skyounkin

    The .01% has a choice, let the rest of us prosper along with you on more than just serfdom level subsistence wages or get ready for the pitchforks.

    Change is coming. Wether you like it or not, Plutocrats. I'd suggest you listen to Mr. Hanauer. We can do this the easy way or the hard way, the choice is yours.

    Peace and love to all

    Regulate banks, not vaginas

    by MinistryOfTruth on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:11:24 AM PDT

  •  I'm not sure they fear pitchforks. (99+ / 0-)

    It's a good article, but I think back to Jay Gould's famous quote in the early 20th Century (sometimes attributed to J.P. Morgan:

    "I can always hire half the working class to kill the other half" (Gould, when warned about the possibility of revolution)
    Stories from Pa. Historyrevolution);
    According to trade unionists, he said at the time, "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
    Jay Gould, wikepedia

    Perhaps I'm a bit pessimistic today.  :-)

    Good post, MIT

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:22:04 AM PDT

  •  Isn't this whty the tea party was created? (61+ / 0-)

    They set up a situation where they know that the middle class and the working poor are going to have a problem with this, and then billionaires actually create the tea party, or pull it from a bin, whatever.

    As a result, they have their own people who are easy to manipulate.  Those are the people they want to have the pitchforks.

    This kind of stuff doesn't necessarily break our way.


    by otto on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:23:07 AM PDT

    •  Great comment, thanks. (15+ / 0-)

      The Law of Unintended Consequences, directly shapes a lot of human history.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:38:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It breaks their way in the short run, but (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      otto, Phoenix Woman, VickiL

      the Tea Party is just a stopgap in the long run.  The corporatists on the SCOTUS undoubtedly have Secret Service protection, but the infrastructure that makes the profits for the corporations they serve does not.

      And I'm not just talking about infrastructure in the USA.  Already, most corporate profits are made, and kept, overseas--that's why they pay so little in taxes despite the "high corporate tax rates" the GOP keeps bleating about. So you take out the infrastructure that makes those profits possible, wherever it may be.  American technocrats can travel much more freely these days than Muslims can, and what we did to the Iranian centrifuges indicates that if you've got the techie chops, you may not need to travel at all.

      The .01% will go down, not like the French aristocracy, but like Julius Caesar, betrayed by those closest to them.  It's already starting to happen.  Hank Paulson, of all people, is co-author of a report on the economic impacts of climate change and is advocating a carbon tax.  He won't get anywhere, of course, any more than one crack in the dam floods the valley below, but those living in that cozy valley ought to be getting nervous.

    •  Ask Eric Cantor how that worked out for him (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Catte Nappe

      Dave Brat was as much anti-Wall Street as he was anti-immigrant.  The Tea Party hates the bail-outs as much as the left.  The problem is that they also see poor people and brown people and immigrants as equally responsible for their economic problems. They distrust the government because it has failed them .  What they don't see is that it has failed us all.  Instead they thing that "others" are getting a free ride and for some reason that upsets them more than the idea that the 1% is where the real inequality resides.   Why they believe it is somehow the government that is holding them back is beyond me, but that is what they believe. And the 1% spends a lot of time and money reinforcing that belief (see Fox News, Americans for Prosperity, etc.).  Poor people are fighting over the scraps, but Hanauer  is right and eventually they will figure it out.

      The revolution that will inevitably result from our massive inequality is more likely to come from the far right as it is the left. The form that is will take will make the object of their discontent not just the elites but also anyone who is different.  

      The Koch brothers and their ilk think they can control what they have unleashed.   History shows how foolish this is.  What generally follows is chaos and destruction and unfortunately a undemocratic government that promises to fix things.   That and a bunch of heads on pikes.

      The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones! - John Maynard Keynes

      by Do Something on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 02:01:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What the "patriots" listen to is a mangle (0+ / 0-)

        of conspiracy theories:

        The UN is hiring mercenaries to target Americans and disarm them

        That Obama is the AntiChrist

        That the banks are essentially broke

        That the government is arresting people for anti-Obama FB posts

        That 9/11 was a hoax

        They get this crap from survivalist sites and their own confused leaders and preachers. And these people have guns. They are just as dangerous as Bundy's armed thugs and their belief systems are very similar.

        What is scarier still is the level of religious insanity. Their rants are unintelligible word salads, liberally laced with hate for Obama, the government and anybody not white and "a believer"

        Since I wrote a couple of diaries about them, I have been checking on their sites to see what plans they've been making. They have plans for the coming long weekend and I'll be posting in a few days about those.

        Trying to control these wack jobs would be very easy. They're higher than kites on Jebus and hatred, gullible as hell and of very low intelligence.

        A fo ben, bid bont. - Welsh proverb. ( translation: If you want to be a leader, be a bridge.)

        by Gwennedd on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 11:11:06 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Hanuaer is the guy who said he never created (75+ / 0-)

    a job; but rather, it is the consumers who spend money on what he makes that create those jobs that he supplies.

    This guy is refreshing to listen to.

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:24:39 AM PDT

  •  I got a call last night from the DNC sniffing for (36+ / 0-)

    money. I went on a righteous rant, but polite and said, "I'll vote Democratic Party, but not one cent until main street is paved in silver and people get a more than a livable wage." I've never had heartburn about rich people and corporations/banks, but I see what is happening to me and around me and start seething. I just wonder why others are seeing and doing the same?

    Many times I’ve returned. Never was I the same in any of my guises. I feel inside, my times before, with no memories of each journey. My soul’s shadows haunt all the paths it has traveled.

    by Wendys Wink on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:26:36 AM PDT

    •  You'll never get it unless Democrats win the House (18+ / 0-)

      and keep the Senate and the White House and the next two Supreme Appointments.

      While you are perfectly within your rights to not donate, the reason must be valid. THEY have Citizens United and several billion to spend.

      WE have mom and pop and the 35 bucks they were saving for  night out at Outback.

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:42:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Winning the House (16+ / 0-)

        doesn't seem to make a big difference as the game is rigged and regardless of which party is the majority the owners of the casino have their hedged their bets. The odds of a corporately owned house winning over the punters are 'inevitable'.

        •  The odds of "pitchforks".... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          soarbird, allie4fairness

          ....winning over machine guns are even worse.

          Most of this "revolution" talk is verbal masturbation.

          This is the landscape that we understand, -
          And till the principle of things takes root,
          How shall examples move us from our calm?

          (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

          by sagesource on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:21:37 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  As if we would use pitchforks. Get a clue. Lots (5+ / 0-)

            o' people have guns and ammo.  And they're not all RWNJs...

            "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

            by ditsylilg on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:10:30 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  How many have... (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              WB Reeves

              weapons that can blast through armored vehicles or hit jets or drones?  It could be troublesome eventually (for the "powerful"), but far too many would suffer in revolution.  

              "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

              by cardboardurinal on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:11:48 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Think <em>Batman Begins</em> (3+ / 0-)

                The scene where the Waynes are leaving the opera.  Unless the uber rich are going to COMPLETELY wall themselves away . . . they will always want to travel, they will have maids and servants and drivers etc.  

                There would be opportunities to take out a few.  I am not advocating that, just pointing to the reality.

                •  Remember the 47% speech? (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  maryabein, PistonMoaned

                  How about the Clippers' owner and his racist rant?  

                  It even looks like Poland's government will fall thanks to tapes made at three restaurants.  (Government supporters blame the Russians, but the likely replacement government would be even more anti-Russian.)  

                  Servers and bartenders for the elite in this country can do a lot of mischief if they wanted to.

                  "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

                  by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 07:13:09 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  It wouldn't even be firearms. (4+ / 0-)

              Think of all the Snowdens out there...

              Plus, there's more than one way to cook the goose:

              - Their phone calls won't go through.

              - Their power fails, and stays failed.

              - Their computer locks up and stays locked up.

              - Their pilots don't show up. The chauffeur shows up, but drives them to the 'hood and kicks their asses out of the limo.

              - Their private school closes, as the teachers do not come to work.

              - The servants bring nothing home from the grocery as the trucks are not rolling.

              - Etc., etc. ...

              Multiply times many thousands or even millions.

        •  More somehow always pulls in Better... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:

          and the leftward shift you are asking for can only be, in the current game, paid for.

          Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

          by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:24:56 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Who has the money (9+ / 0-)

            to pay for this shift left? I see no shift left on either side just an unrelenting shift right that calls the not quite as theocratic or insane the center. You can vote for Goldman Sach intead of Bain but you still are going to get austerity, endless wars and no representation. At least the Democrat's in power and running this show won't probe your vagina along with your, eat your peas embrace the suck, austerity.  They will however probe your every move and thought just to keep you safe and 'secure'.

            •  Democrats are not Peachy... (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Penny GC

              More like Frozen Box Pizza in your neighborhood grocery cold case. Ask for it today!

              And yes, we need a guy who knows a guy for a few hundred million in walkin around money.

              I think Warren Buffett and Bill Gates Sr. could be approached.
              I think they clearly see the danger to oligarchy of the vapid New Money Boys and Girls on Wall Street and WallMart.

              Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

              by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:01:26 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  love your sig line (7+ / 0-)

                I don't think that Bill Gates and his ilk the so called liberal billionaires entrepreneurs are that much better the the Goldman Sachs FIRE too bigs. Look what Gates is doing to education. These 1% Dems. are not democratic they are free market capitalist fundies of the worst order who want to remake the world. Democracy and economic justice are just an impediment to their 'race to the top'.

                They are the Third Way, the bDLC on steroids these new Dems . Microsoft or Buffet rules isn't the solution. I think the only way any of this can change is from the bottom up. 'You are the change you have been waiting for' may have been just way for Obama's campaign to harness the public discontent and outrage over the Bushies excesses and abuse of power but it just might bite these 1% who own and run both parties in the ass.      

                •  Yes, but now that the Oligarchs are threatening (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:

                  to Crash everyone's party, I think the Socially Aware Rich Guy Democrats have an opening. They are not totally evil, just convinced they are the best thing since pants with legs.

                  I think these types are starting to see the intentions of the Corporate Right. They want it all. They want to change the basic conditions of the nation, and the world. They have an agenda, and with Corporate types this means. Win at all costs and be ready to throw grandma's walker under the bus.

                  I think there is an opening for common decency to start to prevail.

                  Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                  by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:50:32 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  You just stated why I don't support HRC (3+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  shaharazade, blueoasis, Wendys Wink

                  "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

                  by blackhand on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:44:55 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Me either... (3+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    blueoasis, Wendys Wink, blackhand
                    'They have an agenda, and with Corporate types this means. Win at all costs and be ready to throw grandma's walker under the bus.'
                    Socially aware rich 1% corporate Democrat's with global power are an oxymoron. The giant multinational corporation's all have an agenda that has nothing to do with right left or center partisan politics it's inherently about profit and power. 'Do no evil' depends on what ones concept of evil is. Their basic ideology of unfettered free market global corporate rule at the expense of humanistic democratic values does not include economic justice or the common good. Technocrat's like Bill Gates or Steve Job's vision of a brave new world find real democracy an impediment to their world view.  
            •  Check out the link below and consider it. (0+ / 0-)
              •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

                This sounds good. OPOL has also written a dairy about this PAC. I am going to donate 25$. Sorry my reply was so long coming but I have limited access to a computer. Finally got a new one and should be up and running by July 4th. A crowdscourced PAC is a great idea. I'm done giving any money to the Dems. They get enough from Goldman Sachs and the rest of the too big's.    

        •  That's the false equivalency that (0+ / 0-)

          they want you to believe.  "They are all the same"  

          They are not!

        •  I see your bet and raise you (4+ / 0-)

          Candidate Obama vs President Obama.  The transformation from what was promised to what we received was real eye opening.

          As long as we're selecting from the pool of preselected and approved candidates, we're not going to change things through elections.

          There is a bright spot in the dark cloud.  The pollsters have been getting taken by surprise more than they would like or expected to in recent years.

          "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

          by blackhand on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:42:33 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  IMO you'd be better off donating shoe leather (2+ / 0-)

        Campaigning a couple of hours a week for a candidate whose election has a decent chance at making even a small difference (in your opinion of course) is likely to be worth more than whatever you pull out of your wallet. Plus you keep control of your donation. And getting out in the summer air might be good for you.


        by Uncle Cosmo on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:05:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Winning the House means (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        blueoasis, Wendys Wink

        nothing.  Look what democrats in the senate did to the healthcare act.

    •  WW - a few years ago I put the Democratic Party (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      on notice that they are not to call me for money ever again. I will not contribute to them in any way. I explained that I will only support individual progressive candidates/causes, and that the average rank-and-file member of the Dems wouldn't know a progressive cause/candidate if one walked up to them and slapped the shit out of them! (That would probably be good for them.) I only support through donating to individual candidates, e.g. Wendy Davis, Alison Grimes, Charlie Crist, Al Franken, Jeanne Shaheen, etc. As far as all those emails I get with "Ready for Hillary" in the subject line? Delete, delete, delete!!

  •  They'll find ways (17+ / 0-)

    to get us all to scapegoat each other.  We will be so busy hating our peers that we won't have the time, energy or attention to do anything about those actually robbing us all blind.  This is why the great revolutionary movements in the developed world in the 20th century were almost entirely revolutions of the far right.  As more of the world gets pulled into modernity, anti-capitalist movements become increasingly the answer of the most remote, least integrated nations (e.g. Nepal), while even  what were once marginal areas get pulled into the far-right zone, see Hungary, Ukraine.

    Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:26:37 AM PDT

    •  I'm not sure Ukraine's far-right. (0+ / 0-)

      The Maidan Revolution did make use of far-right elements as part of the revolutionary coalition.  Ukraine outside Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk discarded them in May, or at least shamed them into actually joining the coders and coal miners taking up arms for Ukraine in the east.  

      At the last election, the two far-right parties got 2% of the vote combined.  Compare this with the 15%-25% that far-right parties received in western Europe during the European Parliament elections.  

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 07:19:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Problem is, they WANT the police state--because (52+ / 0-)

    they believe, with a great deal of confidence, that they will be the ones controlling the police.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:26:41 AM PDT

  •  They ignore him at their peril. (20+ / 0-)

    I know I won't shed a tear when their mansions are rubble and they are in the tumbrels.

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:28:55 AM PDT

  •  Nick Hanauer (31+ / 0-)

    was also a supporter of Kshama Sawant in Seattle and the $15 minimum wage...

    He's right. If history repeats, this can't go on forever. But I've thought this for some time, and it just continues...

    •  It's building steam (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Phoenix Woman, joedemocrat

      A decade ago, talk of a populist uprising or a revolution was something that you heard about in the dark recesses of pirate radio on the Internet.  Now,  discussion about it are hitting the media.  I don't have links, but I've also heard reports that .gov has been concerned about it too.

      "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

      by blackhand on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:48:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  My quibble with Hanauer (21+ / 0-)

    is that he says fellow zillionaires don't believe him. If that were so we wouldn't be militarizing police,privatizing water and being force fed fear via the MSM. Greed explains lots,sure.Just not all.  

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:33:11 AM PDT

  •  When I was in my early 20s (12+ / 0-)

    and trying to do a Zen meditation practice, I can remember a meditation teacher discussing inherent cultural differences between America and in other cultures. "In India, you have poor people saying, 'It's my karma to be a beggar. My life is not supposed to be any better.' In America, you have strivers, people who are unsatisfied with begging, if they're very poor. They feel entitled to more..."

    It's precisely that American attitude that might spell doom for the oligarchs.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:37:42 AM PDT

    •  No taxation without (10+ / 0-)

      representation was one of the reasons the people who lived in this colony took on the British Empire. The to big to fail East India Tea Co. got a corporate bail out and the Boston tea party was the result of onerous tax acts that were levied on the colonies to keep the empires corps and wars paid for and profitable.

      The current pig ignorant tea party has it ass backwards and upside down. They make it harder for people to start looking at their pitchforks or torches as Don't Tread On Me has become the property of totally insane armed loonies that wouldn't know democracy if it bit them. They abhor the principles and rights that are in the bill of rights and have stood grassroots populism on it's head.

      Works to keep everybody else in line however as nobody wants this brand of revolution or resistance. Revolutions however comes in many forms, shapes, sizes and colors. Sometimes it's called change you can believe in or democracy. Politics are not static and tyranny is never inevitable or unstoppable. Nothing is too big to fail. Top heavy topples it's unsustainable and  when it's made of cards like this one it is vulnerable.                  

      •  A lot of their "populism" (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Penny GC, YsosadisticGOP, shaharazade

        is phoney-baloney, astro-turfed. On our side, if a cause is well-publicized, people turn out. They're happy with the free pizza and free t-shirts they get in return for staffing a phone bank. This day and age, in a metropolitan area, the progressive grassroots is a cross-section of the public: rich and poor, sick and well, young and old, all colors of the rainbow, all walks of life. Their side, they have to go through Kelly Temps to get minions to carry out their dirty work, offering a humiliating pittance.

        It's just sad, humiliating. They know it. In 2012, they were really feeling it.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:39:54 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Sorry but as matter of US history, the T-Party (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        serendipityisabitch, Cardinal96

        hasn't stood populism on it's head.

        In the US, populism has always had a politically ambiguous character. The earliest examples of democratic political movements in US history were headed by slave owners, Jefferson and Jackson, who's idea of democracy extended only to white males. Jackson added a genocidal attitude toward indigenous peoples to the mix. By the time of the Civil War, Jeffersonian and Jacksonian "democracy" had become totally identified with maintaining slavery.

        Following the war, the populist tropes inherited from the antebellum era were used to mobilize a drive for re-establishing white supremacy throughout the South and maintaining it for the better part of a century.

        While the development of the agrarian populism of the late 19th century initially challenged this traditional racism, it eventually capitulated to it.

        The ugly truth is that the T-party and their ilk are the legitimate inheritors of this particular strain of RW "populism".

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:50:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin" (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mopshell, kharma, tampaedski, Johnny Q, tacet

    it's gonna suck to be them

    Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

    by River Rover on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:38:32 AM PDT

  •  "No they never would be missed. They never would (4+ / 0-)

    be missed. Im - sure - they - wont - be - missed!"

  •  but, but (11+ / 0-)

    making such an appeal (to the uber-wealthy)

    presupposes they haven't yet traded away two personal assets,

    in their all consuming pursuits of pinnacle lucre:

    Their social conscience ... and their once-human souls.

    Sooner or later were going to have to: Trade in those Carbon Footprints ...

    by jamess on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:39:07 AM PDT

  •  Better get down to the hardware store before they (4+ / 0-)

    run out.

  •  It happened before (7+ / 0-)

    Women's March on Versailles photo Womens_March_on_Versailles_zps20319db4.jpg

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:45:04 AM PDT

    •  Unfortunately, in America, peasant revolts... (23+ / 0-)

      ...have looked more like this:

      The tea party isn't exactly going to go after Wall Street as the source of their problems.

      "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

      by LordMike on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:01:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  There is enough of us to storm Versailles (4+ / 0-)

        But yes, it won't be a walk in the park.

        Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

        by Shockwave on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:47:25 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Where IS this Versailles? Illinois? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          WB Reeves

          If we are storming, I need a Google Map address, please.

          Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

          by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:19:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Indiana n/t (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            blueoasis, Eric Nelson

            Indiana also has Peru, Brazil, North Manchester, Warsaw, Washington, and of course we can't forget Kokomo.

            •  Storm Versailles, Indiana! Sounds good to me! (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:

              But I am not sure that is the locus of our Overlords. It was fun back then, but today, I dont know. It has no "ring" to it.

              Now, if I can only find the Bastille. Storm The Bastille! I am guessing it is in Iowa somewhere... where is that map?

              Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

              by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 04:19:42 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Indiana's more first-level minions. (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:

                Versailles, IN is mostly white and it's family incomes would be lower-middle income, though with fairly low rates of poverty.  It has about 2,000 people;  the media market would probably be Cincinnati.  

                The rich don't seem to congregate as conveniently in Indiana as they do in the coastal cities, and we're actually not a place that the 0.01% particularly fancies to live in.  They love doing business here because we are a cheap and dirty state, but prefer the coasts and maybe Chicago to live in.  Low housing values also mean that the 10% can afford houses that would drive the coastal 1% mad with envy.  


                "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

                by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 07:39:17 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

      •  Actually there are many "real?" TPers that would (6+ / 0-)

        have stood with Occupy until they got hijacked by DeMint and crew.

        "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

        by ditsylilg on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:52:42 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Just think how bad it would be now (4+ / 0-)

        that the government has all the tools for total surveillance. They can round up people before they even get to the street to march.

        "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

        by Crider on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:14:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Thank you for helping me make my point. (0+ / 0-)

        The real threat to the .01% isn't from student radicals (do they even exist anymore?) or the working poor or the homeless or the disenfranchised.  It's from the technocrats who keep their whole moneymaking apparatus running.

        The Wall Street puppets in the White House and Congress will never let the too-big-to-fail banks down.  But look what Snowden did to the NSA, as an act of conscience, despite knowing that he'd spend the rest of his life in jail or exile because of it.  There are people on the inside of every bank who could do comparable damage.  Of course, in this age of universal surveillance they can no longer coordinate:  the FBI would bust them for conspiracy faster than you can say "Martin Luther King".  But individual actions in the right places at the right times could do more damage to the oligarchs than a 40-million-person march on Washington, nowadays.

  •  Just a couple of random musings related to this. (24+ / 0-)

    I'd think the plutocrats would be wise to listen to these:

    "Progressive taxation is cheaper than revolution."
        That's the whole game though isn't it?  How much can they skim off of the top, before pissing all the serfs off and fermenting a revolution.  Picked this up somewhere else, DK comment maybe?

    "The problem with capitalism is that eventually one person has all of the money."
      Just something, I tell people anytime they want to bring up that bogeyman quote usually attributed to Thatcher.

    "It's easier to replace 1 person from a pool of 99, than 99 people from a pool of 1."
      Usually just remind people of this anytime, they want to go all Galt's Gulch.  Plutocrats need the serfs (to maintain their lifestyle) much more than the serfs need the plutocrats.  I'd love to see an actual real GG arise, and watch them eat each other when they realize it's actually the 99% that drives the world's engines.

  •  Don't forget the torches. N/t (9+ / 0-)

    "You cannot win improv." Stephen Colbert ( at 16:24).

    by Publius2008 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:46:34 AM PDT

  •  The Shorter Version (7+ / 0-)

    And when the oligarchs' thought dreams
    are finally seen
    Their heads will probably wind up
    in guillotines
    And that's all right ma
    I won't be crying

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:46:44 AM PDT

  •  "Police state or revolution", he says. (22+ / 0-)

    It's pretty clear that the 0.01% have already made their choice. Look at our militarized police forces. Read the articles about cops killing people randomly, with impunity.

    We are not France before the Revolution; America is headed down the other road.

    American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

    by atana on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:47:43 AM PDT

    •  this (11+ / 0-)

      There's talk of pitchforks but talk is cheap. Look at the way Occupy was treated by the rest of the population.

      I don't normally think of myself as a pessimist but I'm afraid shit has to get much worse before the average American will do something about it.

      1. Books are for use.

      by looty on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:37:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  You are so right. (0+ / 0-)

      Drawing similarities to the French Revolution is fun, but not realistic. Bad generals are always prepared to fight the last war. This will not be The French Revolution. God only knows what this will look like, but I'm pretty sure that it will be butt ugly.

      The Republican motto: "There's been a lot of progress in this country over the last 75 years, and we've been against all of it."

      by Hillbilly Dem on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:16:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  If it happens, it is far more likely (0+ / 0-)

        to look like the Civil War, given the Federal structure of the US.

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:57:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Okay, let's update the Civil War: (0+ / 0-)

          it ended with Sherman's march through Georgia.  At that time most of the U.S. was agrarian, shipping lots of raw materials to England and Europe and importing manufactured goods.

          Things are different today.  You don't need to march troops through fields to cripple agriculture.  It's so mechanized, you just have to look for the few top nodes in the structure and take them out.  Most U.S. farming depends on some form of irrigation, which in turn depends on pumps and energy supply to those pumps.  And then there's the farm equipment, which is way more expensive per unit than the limousines of the rich (though perhaps not quite so costly as their private jets), and far less well protected.

          We're starting to get civilian access to drones.  And they can carry C4 and detonators.  Need I say more?

          Well, maybe so.   As usual, it will be the poor who suffer most when this quasi-revolution breaks out.  They were pushed off the land 80 years ago, so have no way to raise their own food.  So some pitched battles between the starving poor and the corporate cops would be inevitable, once the factory farms were shut down.  As in every type of war, there are ethical questions here.  Was
          the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki worth it?  Most of those casualties were civilian.  But the .01% would bear the largest share of the responsibility for the collapse of the system they drove to self-destruction.

          •  At the end of the day, revolutions, just as every (0+ / 0-)

            other form of warfare, are about real estate.

            Say, just for speculation, that you toppled the Federal Government. That would still leave State and local governments in place, all of which have their own police and military forces to call on. Barring simultaneous revolutions of identical political character replacing these Governments in each of the states, you would be confronted by fragmentation, civil war or both.

            The fundamental issue of political power is who exercises direct control in a given geographic area, not military tactics or technologies alone. The latter are only politically significant to the degree that they enable the former.

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:04:08 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Except that thanks to Fox News and such.. (9+ / 0-)

    The pitchforks will likely be bayonets armed with a balanced budget amendment pointed at the poor. After all, it is their fault. They want to "take" the little stuff we have left.

    The oligarchs have done a masterful job at redirecting anger towards ourselves.

    I wouldn't be too optimistic about the outcome of such a revolt. It's not going to be a leftward one. Take a look at Europe and their right wing party resurgence.

    "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

    by LordMike on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:49:16 AM PDT

    •  Look at the funding for these right-wing parties (6+ / 0-)

      In the US, Rupert Murdoch ginned up the tea party. It's clear what the 0.01% are doing -- setting things up so that, if there should be a revolution, the right wing thugs would immediately start shooting "zombies" -- by which they mean blah people, brown people, libruls, hippies, fags etc. And then the military would establish martial law to keep order -- and you have Banana Dictatorship America. With Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers paying the warlords to run things the way the like. And their first order of business would undoubtedly be to establish an American peerage with themselves as Royalty.

      American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

      by atana on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:06:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The US is well prepared for the pitchforks AND the (25+ / 0-)

    torches. In fact, no other country in the world is as well prepared. The plutocrats have known the pitchforks were coming for several decades now and took advantage of 9/11 to update their security.

    Homeland Security's 2015 budget is $47 billion. There are now 78 well funded fusion centers working hand-in-hand with the Regional Information Sharing System (RISS) Program to ensure domestic terrorists such as OWS, do not attempt to overthrow the government.

  •  giving that "withering away" a push (8+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:53:53 AM PDT

  •  Fanshen (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jan4insight, ditsylilg, Penny GC

    I can't wait for the "speaking bitterness" sessions.  Can I attend the one for the Koch brothers and their spawn?

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:55:43 AM PDT

    •  And look how it all ended.... (0+ / 0-) of the most capitalist societies on earth.

      The revolution in China was not the people overthrowing the privileged. It was one group of the privileged using the people to climb to the top of the heap. You're looking forward to being used like toilet paper.

      This is the landscape that we understand, -
      And till the principle of things takes root,
      How shall examples move us from our calm?

      (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

      by sagesource on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:29:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  You're Right (0+ / 0-)

        Better to submit to the Koch brothers we know because there might be Koch brothers we don't know.

        As we can see, ordinary Chinese today are no better off -- and probably worse off -- than they were in the Twenties and Thirties.

        This aggression will not stand, man.

        by kaleidescope on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:42:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Who are the "ordinary Chinese"? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:

          The "new class" in the cities? Or the vast majority of the population that remains rural and disenfranchised?

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 02:02:48 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Depends on the time... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:

          Now, when capitalism in some of its more uncontrolled forms rules China, many people (though not all) are better off. (Though the bill for that improvement, in terms of environmental damage for one thing, hasn't fully come in yet.)

          But in the "revolutionary" Great Leap Forward -- which might better have been called the Great Faceplant -- sixteen to thirty million Chinese starved. That's at least twice as bad a famine as the worst in the 1920s and 1930s (the Hunan famine a bit later than the 1930s, always and correctly considered one of the greatest black marks on Kuomintang rule, killed about 6 million). And the Great Leap Forward famines were entirely man-made, courtesy of revolutionary stupidity rather than malice, not that it mattered to the victims.

          So, your sarcasm merely reflects your own gross ignorance and "revolting" credulity. And before you compound your impression of ignorance by suggesting the CIA or someone made up the Great Leap Forward famines, I'd better let you in on the fact that it was almost exactly the reverse. The US government knew of them, but did not make a big propaganda drive based on them because they were terrified that Chiang Kai-shek might start the Third World War in an attempt to "retake the mainland." Discouraging him and insuring Congress did not start bleating to his tune again required suppressing nearly all public information on the famines in the West.

          This is the landscape that we understand, -
          And till the principle of things takes root,
          How shall examples move us from our calm?

          (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

          by sagesource on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 03:08:40 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I am pretty sure the pitch forks will come out (27+ / 0-)

    when climate change becomes truly real & we see massive interruptions in the food & water supplies. We are three days away from the collapse of any civilization. One only needs to look back at Katrina & understand how fast things can deteriorate. We could solve our energy problems in 3 years if we built enough solar panels. We choose not to & income inequality just marches onward.

    “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell

    by Tool on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:57:04 AM PDT

  •  You may not want it (3+ / 0-)

    but I would like very much to go Full Metal Reaver on the oligarchs and rip the living flesh from their bones with my teeth after destroying everything they love.

    And making them watch.

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

    by xenubarb on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:06:45 AM PDT

  •  I've seen this slogan elsewhere, but it bears (8+ / 0-)

    "Millionaires not billionaires"

    This comment is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

    by blue muon on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:07:48 AM PDT

  •  The parasite class is utterly dependent on us (13+ / 0-)

    in order to live, while we don't need them at all.

    They exist because people don't know or have forgotten that.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:08:13 AM PDT

    •  You have stated a simple, and ignored fact. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Alexandra Lynch, 4Freedom, ozsea1

      Managers, wealthy heirs, bankers, none of them actually MAKE anything. they don't move the goods, grow the food, dig the ditches, or run the machines.

      I work at a UPS hub, and we have lots of managers around. You know what? Without the people who load, unload, sort and move the packages, they wouldn't be getting paid a damn thing, yet many of them act as if they were the thing that makes the company money. Sure, there have to be people who make decisions and take monetary risks, but the working people are the engine that drives it all, and who buy the products.

      •  Think it through. (0+ / 0-)

        If you and your co-workers at UPS go on strike, the managers will hire scabs and you'll just be jobless.  But if you go high enough in the technological hierarchy, there are workers (just like you, as far as their managers can see, but paid far better because of supply and demand) who can do much more damage to UPS's operations than you could even by trashing every package you could get your hands on.

        Automation puts lots of low-skilled people out of work, but it exposes the rich to the layer of people that stands between them and their money-generating robots.  One of these days, some of them are going to notice that they're next in line to get screwed, and decide to do something about it.

        •  "but paid far better because of supply and demand" (0+ / 0-)

          No, they're not paid far better, not since Clinton. You guys still in the field just don't have any frame of reference.

          Supply and demand is another myth spewed by the people who want to keep making money by stealing yours. You are not paid "far better", you are paid about 0.9% of the revenue you generate, leaving 99%+ of that money for the completely unproductive parasites that you work for.

          Flush the American Fantasy out of your head early and you will do much better for yourself and the people you care about.

          "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

          by Greyhound on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 04:01:28 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  The big problem (7+ / 0-)

    is that the "solution" for most Americans is more laissez-faire capitalism.

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:11:10 AM PDT

    •  I think the people are starting (15+ / 0-)

      to catch on to that myth.  Whether or not they are willing to do something about it is another thing.  Starving people with nothing to lose are very dangerous and we are rapidly moving in that direction.  Economic instability can rapidly lead to political chaos.  They may end up regretting that they did not listen to Occupy.  

      "I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West "...isn't the problem here that the government takes on, arbitrarily and without justification, an adversarial attitude towards its citizenry?" ~ SouthernLiberalinMD

      by gulfgal98 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:38:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  This is the central political crisis we face (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      goodpractice, gjohnsit

      The Left has largely failed to effectively challenge the radical RW's hegemony over a significant portion of the disenfranchised. OWS briefly seemed to pose such a challenge before it essentially imploded due to its own internal contradictions. That gave the opening for its direct suppression by police action.

      Until the Left finds a way of rectifying this, we will remain both tactically and strategically at a disadvantage. Particularly if the "pitchforks" come out.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 02:14:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Shark Tank guy on TV was asked what he thought (13+ / 0-)

    about the wealth inequality in America; he said it was a good thing, a praiseworthy state of affairs, because the people see the wealth, want it and that makes them diligent, dedicated etc... like him in other words.

    He left it unsaid that he thinks the reason Americans are increasingly poor is that we increasingly lack those stirling qualities of his.

    It reminded me of the Shah in Barbara Walters' interview, where he said it was against the law to insult 'the person' of the King; she eyed him for a moment then said "You're really quite arrogant, aren't you?"

    I remember thinking when he said that, 'this guy is going to fall'. Shark Tank guy made me think 'there's going to be a revolution'.

  •  PIKE. Not pipe. Sliding down MY pike. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Angie in WA State

    I preach the church without Christ, where the lame don't walk, the blind don't see and what's dead stays that way! Hazel Motes in "Wise Blood" (Flannery O'Connor)

    by chalatenango on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:16:40 AM PDT

  •  I don't think this is a new idea to them (5+ / 0-)

    what about the wall street/fed surveillance system in NY, and the Minerva Initiative, etc.?  Personally, I thought they were amassing as much wealth as they could so they will survive the inevitable disaster in style.  Haven't they been buying islands and compounds for years now?

    PRESENT Shock When everything happens NOW

    by Portia Elm on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:17:12 AM PDT

  •  National symbols for the 2014 election: (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ozsea1, ditsylilg, Penny GC, blueoasis


    A Pitchfork and a Broom

    The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

    by llbear on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:18:09 AM PDT

  •  For all those in awe of the police force (7+ / 0-)

    ...arrayed against change.

    1. Remember that they are going after law enforcement labor costs too.

    2. Most of the time the PTB win, but Bastilles do still fall.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:18:28 AM PDT

  •  As long as they have us divided by this absurd (16+ / 0-)

    two party system, the oligarchs will have their way. Because when some think their oligarchs are better than those other oligarchs, in the end it's still oligarchs ruling us.
    The two major parties ARE the establishment.  They ARE the One percent.  

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:18:40 AM PDT

  •  "France before Bastille Day" (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ditsylilg, Penny GC, offgrid

    I was thinking "Russia before the Revolution".

  •  I think some of them might feel the same way... (10+ / 0-)

    they fear us that's why it was so important to destroy OWS.  If the US Military it preparing for climate change, I guarantee they are preparing for mass civil unrest.

    The most un-convincable man is the one whose paycheck depends on remaining unconvinced. -- H. L. Mencken

    by kharma on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:21:00 AM PDT

  •  Indeed! (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TKO333, ditsylilg, Penny GC, offgrid

    One only need review the history of the many revolutions in human history: The French Revolution of 1789, the Mexican Revolution of 1910, the Russian Revolution of 1917, etc. etc.  When the lower classes are driven to the brink and have nothing left to lose, look out!!!

    Well, it sure is a mess, ain’t it, Sheriff….
    Yep, and if it ain’t it’ll do ‘til the mess gets here.

    Liberal = We're all in this together
    Conservative = Every man for himself
    Who you gonna call?

  •   I have waited so long..... (10+ / 0-)

    pitchforks and peasants

    Please and thank you have failed.


    Now, do not ask for what you cannot take.

    Make demands and pound the table.


    ANYTHING but business as usual.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:21:06 AM PDT

  •  Another thing about San Francisco and Seattle, (12+ / 0-)

    not only do they have higher minimum wages and strong economies, they also value LBGT rights. There's a large correlation between tolerant places and economically successful places. And just the opposite, i.e. Mississippi.

    Arizona meet-up, July 27 in Phoenix. Meet Navajo! Send me Kosmail.

    by Mother Mags on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:21:09 AM PDT

    •  Yes, but they are ICKY. (0+ / 0-)

      You know.. people with tie-dies making a living slinging FISH for God's sake. Peasants. All they are good for is tourism. People pay to see these things.

      Sniff. Now, where is my nosegay and codpiece?

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:23:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The whole "Inequality" meme works against us ... (5+ / 0-)

    rhetorically ...

    I believe the term does have  a specific meaning that is crystal  clear to  economics professors and monetary theorists  -- it's an "indicator" of some kind, I guess.

    But using the word "Inequality" in our political discourse suggests that those who object to it are Luddites and Levelers, who seek to REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH, and "by any means necessary," at that.

    !!!!!!    C O M M U N I S T S !!!!!!!!

    Correlate to that is the idea that disapproval of the Successful/Job Creators is based on the same sort of envy that everyone remembers having had as children when someone gots a "better" present for Xmas or their birthday.

    Petty, childish, sordid, unattractive ENVY -- showing it in front of adults can get you a stiff Time Out, if not worse

    But what motivates populists and grass-rooters is not so much an objection to The Waltons and the Romneys  having SO MUCH  ... but rather that so many of their employees have SO LITTLE,  that they can work 3,000 hour years and still qualify for Medicaid and Food Stamps but SO MANY are 1,000 hour part-time workers as well.

    I don't really care how rich "YOU" are ... I care a lot about how POOR I AM -- especially if it is  because "you" shipped my job overseas,  and  stash your profits in  tax havens, except when you use them to buy Legislators so you can enact laws and fund projects that will make you even richer.

    •  I don't really agree about "the inequality meme" (4+ / 0-)

      but I do agree with you here:

      I don't really care how rich "YOU" are ... I care a lot about how POOR I AM -- especially if it is  because "you" shipped my job overseas,  and  stash your profits in  tax havens, except when you use them to buy Legislators so you can enact laws and fund projects that will make you even richer.

      To be on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is to be on the right side of history.

      by mbayrob on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:13:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Well I guess we should rewrite the Declaration (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      of Independence then.

      The principle of equality, even if honored more in the breach than in practice, is, as the saying goes, "As American as Apple pie."

      If, as you say, it has become a pejorative, the fault is ours. It's a fault that won't be amended by capitulation.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 02:28:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hey ... "American as Apple Pie" (0+ / 0-)

        is a pretty poor reason for anythings -- especially when applied to the sentiments of the Founding Fathers,  which include  a great deal that we today need to "live down" rather than enshrine and memorialize

        Slavery, Indian Removal, and the non-citizenship of females come to mind immediately...

        But, leaving THAT aside ...  Jefferson  cribbed from (and rather freely interpreted)   Rousseau, Diderot and Voltaire to come up with a good strong opening  for his screed  blaming the King of England for the policies and legislation enacted by an elected Parliament.' -- and justifying the Patriot Revolution.

        Even on it's own terms,  the Declaration was speaking only to the " Rights" of "Man, in a State of Nature" ... and NOT by any means to  inequalities among  men imposed by social constructs such as rank, class, wealth, gender, and race.  

        Jefferson's "All Men are created Equal" means something very very different from Marx's  "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability."

        We  want to remember that Jefferson's examples of "rights"  were originally "Life, Liberty and Property"

        The cooler head who deleted "promoting slavery" as one of King George's oppressions ... also substituted "pursuit of happiness" as meaning almost the same thing as "rights of property" --  but implying an affirmation of the upward social mobility  and growing political significance of the emerging Bourgeoisie.

        He did not intend , nor was he understood to have called for, economic or political equality for "paupers, 'prentices, workers  or women" -- much less African captives  or  "Indians not paying taxes."

        To reframe the meme from "Income Inequality"  ... with all it's freight of "envious Plebes hoping to steal from the Virtuous" ... to "Economic Injustice "  is not so much a capitulation as it is a clarification.

        Or ... we can go on getting the electoral shit beat out of us by Republican 99%ers "voting against their own interests."

        •  Very erudite, except that you write as though (0+ / 0-)

          the Declaration was the work of single man reflecting a single viewpoint, in this case Jefferson, which is not the case. To be fair, you do reference this fact latterly but without attaching due significance to it.

          While Jefferson wrote the initial draft, the final draft was the product of committee review. Thus the attempt to define its meaning through the views of a single individual, even Jefferson's, is inaccurate and misleading.

          In this regard, the genesis of the Declaration resembles that of the Constitution. They are both the product of collective effort rather than the expression of individual genius. Consequently, their meaning has been subject to debate from the moment of their conception down to the present. The meaning of "equality" in this context has never been excluded from either debate or reinterpretation.

          Were it otherwise, we would be hard pressed to explain the development of the ideologies of Jeffersonian Democracy, Jacksonian Democracy or Constitutional Abolitionism. Likewise the expansion of the franchise to white men without property, to freedmen or to women.

          Considering that the Declaration was written as a manifesto and vindication of the Revolution, as well as propaganda to build mass support, if we are going to inquire into original intent, shouldn't we be as concerned with how it was understood by the mass of those fought for independence as we are about the views of the Committee who produced it? After all, without such a mass mobilization and effort, the Declaration would have remained a historical footnote rather than being a foundational document of a new political epoch.

          Whatever else might be said about those who actually fought to bring about the victory of the revolution, they were not the social or political clones of the bewigged and be-stockinged  savants of Philadelphia. It would be absurd to assume that the views of the former were identical to those of the latter. If you want to understand the motivations and expectations of the former, you'd be better advised to look to the popular pamphlets of Thomas Paine than the committee rooms of Philadelphia. Much less the library of Monticello.

          All that aside, I don't see any real advantage in substituting "economic justice" for "income inequality". The second concern has a long historical pedigree in US political tradition while the first is essentially an entirely subjective judgement. What is considered "Justice" usually depends almost entirely on whose ox is being gored. The 1% considers its position entirely "Just", while the 99% ideas of "Justice" are likely as varied as the social and economic conditions their numbers encompass.

          Mind, I'm not saying that we shouldn't talk about economic Justice. I'm saying that it cannot be a substitute for a thorough critique of systemic income inequality.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:27:29 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  And all that money isn't making them happier (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jan4insight, ditsylilg, Hillbilly Dem

    Do the Kochs look like happy guys?  Hardly.

    Money buys happiness... up to a point.  After that it is mostly irrelevant.

    by chloris creator on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:25:44 AM PDT

    •  The only reason they need more money is to (3+ / 0-)

      feed their egos.  It's not enough to be part of the .01%; they need to be the last guys standing.

      And, as Obama asked re: Iraq: "And then what?"

      "The truest measure of compassion lies not in our service of those on the margins, but in our willingness to see ourselves in kinship with them." Father Gregory Boyle, Homeboy Industries

      by Mr MadAsHell on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:28:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I read the article from first to last word. (4+ / 0-)

    I thought it was very good, though I kind of see him as having a vested interest in status quo as well.  The 1% waits too long, and capitalism will no longer be seen as a viable option by the masses.

    I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night. -Bishop G. Brewer

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:26:17 AM PDT

  •  have not even read the diary yet, MOT and (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LynChi, Hillbilly Dem

    rec'd for the title alone!

    I am ready to join up, and I will buy my own pitchfork!

    _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

    by allenjo on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:30:12 AM PDT

  •  But, the people here will still vote for Clinton. (13+ / 0-)

    That's fucking funny.

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:34:06 AM PDT

  •  One of the earlier talks; just for a look back.. (15+ / 0-) help fill in an earlier chapter on history repeating itself.

    "It's a small jump from job creator to THE. ..creator" said Nick Hanauer who debunks the job creator myth from a rich entrepreneurs point of view

    From Digby

    “This language was not chosen by accident and it’s only honest to admit that when somebody like me calls himself a job creator, we’re not just describing how the economy works, but more particularly we’re making a claim on status and priviledges we deserve”  - Nick Hanauer
    One of Nick Hanauer's strong points he has been driving home is that labor, NOT capital is the driver.
    That "trickle down" supply siders are NOT the job creators. The workers are. It's Labor that counts and must have the buying power/fair wages that support the economy, not the venture capitalists.
    That austerity is unsustainable, the wrong move especially during recession and will backfire

    Very good to see Mr. Hanauer is has added another chapter and is continuing to speak out

    Thx MoT

    I am not against rich people. I am against rich people who try to make themselves richer by keeping the rest of us poor and miserable. Eventually those poor and miserable people figure out who is keeping them poor and miserable.

     - this ^^^^^

  •  Good for Nick. A man with vision and chutzpah. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    The good kind.  I do take exception to one item in his article re:  Econ 101.  He stated: "If you took Econ 101, then you literally were taught that if wages go up, employment must go down."  I think he is confusing micro with macro.  Econ 101 is macro and doesn't dwell on much aside from balance in an economic system.  Unless they're teaching something new these days...

    I would like to see us push for a maximum wage limit as a percentage over the lowest paid worker.  That might alleviate a lot of anger from the masses.

    "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

    by ditsylilg on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 10:37:43 AM PDT

    •  ceteris paribus (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Angie in WA State, goodpractice

      as they say in the Econ-biz ("all things being equal").

      No, he's right about it being micro.  

      Say if wages rise because we redistribute income.

      1. A microeconomic analysis would note that while the marginal productivity of labor has gone up a lot over the last 30 years (which all things being equal should lead to a higher wage), so the effect of raising wages would mainly increase demand for certain kinds of jobs.  Say, in agriculture: if we paid people better, more people would do the work, and we wouldn't have the labor shortages that we now in fact have.
      2. From a macro perspective, richer people spend less of what they earn than poorer people, so you'd expect that the marginal propensity to consume on average would increase if you redistributed income from richer people to poorer people.

      A "firm" in economic theory is something of a black box.  Micro tells you a lot about how a firm handles changes in prices.  It doesn't tell you much about what happens inside of that black box.  How much the CEO makes vs. a person who actually does the work to provide the service or product is less about economic forces and more about what we let owners get away with in labor relations.  It's less about economics and more about law and custom.  Which are increasingly feudal.

      To be on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is to be on the right side of history.

      by mbayrob on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:26:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But Econ 101 is macro, not micro. Unless they (0+ / 0-)

        flipped it in the last decade...

        "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

        by ditsylilg on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:33:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Depends on the school (0+ / 0-)

          In the University of California, I believe that the difference between Econ 100 and Econ 101 was the amount of math they used.  The "A" quarter was micro; the B quarter macro.

          To be on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is to be on the right side of history.

          by mbayrob on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:52:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  The Mistakes of the 1960s Nervous Breakdown (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RichterScale, blackhand, goodpractice

    won't be repeated this time around.
    (Death squads are always right-wing authoritarian knuckledraggers.  They're flashing their weapons publicly and fear government confiscation of their weapons.)

    President Bill Clinton informed the country that Globalization was intended to lower the standard of living of the US (by destroying the middle class) so 3rd world countries like China, India, Brazil, etc could raise theirs.

    President Bill Clinton repealled Glass-Steagall allowing the Wall Street thieves to go on an unparallelled stealing spree.

    Obama calls his theiving Wall Street buddies "Savvy Businessmen" and idiotically and publicly claimed they committed NO Crimes so they couldn't be criminally indicted.  He had Holder, Breuer, and Geithner repeat the same assholishness publicly.
    (The Constitutional Rule of Law died on 9-11-2001 and was replaced by the Patriot Act.).

    Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act giving the US military domestic police powers and the legal right to kill Americans on American soil.
    (The oligarchs are preparing for massive protests from the 99%.).

    Obama had his Dept. of Homeland Security conduct a telephone conference call with 19 big city mayors and instructed them to use violence to quash the Occupy movement, a fact revealled by Oakland, California Mayor Jean Quan.
    (The oligarchs want their enabling politician whores to protect them from the 99% as conditions deteriorate for everyone but the top 2%.)

  •  They're so short-sighted (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    For what do they need so much money other than for a dynasty for their family for generations to come?  So what's the point when the very of the system that led to the big pile of riches will be the thing that makes it meaningless in the future?

    I feel like there are more like Hanauer who are not speaking up. Hopefully this becomes a trend.

    •  The main thing we learn from history (6+ / 0-)

      The main things we learn from history is that people don't learn from history.

      And there's nothing more consistent in history than the fall of regimes where the elites get richer and richer and the populations as a whole get impoverished.  From Han China, to Rome, to 18th Cen. France or 20th Russia, it never ends well for the elites.

      Every elite things they're the Special Snowflake.  That they'll take everything they want, and that there will never be consequences.

      To be on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is to be on the right side of history.

      by mbayrob on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:30:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That may change (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:

        This is a global economy and for the first time in history the elite could live wherever they want and still be in control of things. I guarantee that will be far away from the cities in some distant island or region of the world where they can live their decadent lives out.

        And I'm sure they'll have their private armies to protect them from any pitchfork wielding proles who manage to find them.

        I think drones might be a good idea after all. A neutron bomb or two?

        A million Arcosantis.

        by Villabolo on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:50:07 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I've thought about this. (0+ / 0-)

          Even behind their barbed wire walls they are highly vulnerable. They will always require servants, to drive them, clean up their messes and cook their food.

          Unless they live in small isolated encampments surrounded by robots, eventually they will be destroyed.

        •  That's not a new solution (0+ / 0-)

          In fact, it sounds a lot like Rome.

          I'd guess the end result would be similar, too.

          To be on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is to be on the right side of history.

          by mbayrob on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:55:12 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  the decline began with Reagan (12+ / 0-)

    When the history books are written about when our downfall began, ole Ronnie's name will be front and center.

  •  Promises, promises. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    My fear is this NOT happening.

    "Woe to those who make unjust laws,
    to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights
    and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, 
making widows their prey
    and robbing the fatherless."

    by Snarky McAngus on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:18:10 AM PDT

  •  Never. Not in this country. (5+ / 0-)

    We don't do revolutions, not since the 1700s.

    This country is lulled to sleep by big money, media and entertainment-complex nonsense.

    The one percent has little to fear unless they cancel 'American Idol' someday.

  •  The problem is that we've got a bunch of crazed (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    fleisch, Hillbilly Dem, 4Freedom

    Duck Dynasty types armed to the teeth with guns ready to protect the 1% without really knowing it.

    Pitchforks won't be very effective against an AK47.

  •  I first heard of Nick Hanauer on Twitter (7+ / 0-)

    when I saw the image in this Tweet:

    He can't be the only guy with a metric fuck-ton of $$$ to look around and see what's going on outside of his penthouse suite.

    But he does seem to be one of the few willing to publicly acknowledge that he knows it.

    We are living in far too interesting times, and I for one would like a little bit of dull and boring times, thank you very much.

    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

    by Angie in WA State on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:46:43 AM PDT

    •  He may not be the only one but the majority (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Bollox Ref, Angie in WA State

      believe what Louis XV said:

      "The system will hold together during my lifetime but after me, the deluge."

      I'm from Johnson City.

      by Al Fondy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 03:30:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Louis XV knew something of the condition of France (3+ / 0-)

        and attempted reforms after the disasters of the Seven Years War, but given the archaic nature of French government, the vested interests of the nobility, church, the various institutions and historic rights of provinces, it was all beyond a man who was essentially shy, hesitant and melancholic, trapped in the Versailles system of his great-grandfather.

        Sort of a French Tsar Nicholas II....... with a love life.

        Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

        by Bollox Ref on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 04:07:12 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Apathy and defeatism permitting (0+ / 0-)

    As the Italians say, "Magari", meaning "if only".

    I do see a wave of populism, but it has consolidated more effectively on the right (Tea Party).

    The left hasn't even tried to put forward a candidate with left-wing populist views (the kind the media likes to call a demagogue because of the threat to corporate interests).  Huey Long, anyone?  I think this could be a real winner.

    Silence is not an effective reply to propaganda.

    by fleisch on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:55:51 AM PDT

    •  the left is stuck in identity politics (0+ / 0-)

      The are a lot of people on the left who are only willing to talk about poverty as it pertains to minorities, women, or people in other countries, all but saying that poverty is only a byproduct of racism, sexism, or imperialism.

      The real tragedy is that it was the right that invented identity politics in order to avoid talking about class.  We're going to lose as long as we continue to talk about what they want to talk about.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 03:55:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Pitchforks Unite Contra the Hay (0+ / 0-)
  •  The pendulum is trying to saw its way (5+ / 0-)

    back, but the Kochs are holding onto the rope as hard as they can and with all their resources.

    ALL of our institutions have been hollowed out by the greed ethos. There are none left with heart intact or souls for that matter. So the zombie is all around us - me

    by glitterscale on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 11:58:19 AM PDT

  •  Rick Newman just posted a rebuttal (9+ / 0-)

    on the Daily Ticker.

    Unfortunately it makes a lot of sense.

    Hanauer fears mobs heading for the castles of Greenwich and Palo Alto, but America’s disaffected these days are more likely to vent their rage behind closed doors as they shake their fists at Fox News or MSNBC and leave cranky comments on websites such as this one. If there’s a populist threat to the plutocrats, it’s years or even decades away.

    Here’s the proof: Before the pitchforks, there will be higher taxes on the wealthy — yet there’s meager support for more redistribution of wealth. Polls show that slightly more than half of Americans favor raising taxes on the wealthy for specific causes such as helping reduce poverty, which makes it sound like tax hikes have widespread support and are inevitable. But here’s the catch: An even higher portion of Americans are disgusted with the government, with little trust that it spends tax money wisely. That’s why Republicans can consistently block tax hikes on the wealthy with little payback at the voting booth.

    If there’s simmering outrage at this state of affairs, it’s not evident in the public square. The “Occupy” movement against the financial elite enjoyed a moment in 2011 but has largely fizzled. Hanauer argues that the occupiers helped sharpen the focus on income inequality, but The Tea Party is probably a more lasting phenomenon. And the Tea Party's gripes about the wealthy are limited to corporate welfare and crony capitalism that puts government bureaucracy at the service of the rich....[.]
    Labor unions have represented the workingman’s concerns for a century, but they’re on the wane, too. Union membership has been in steady decline for at least 30 years, with no rebound on the horizon. The United Auto Workers couldn’t unionize a Volkswagen plant in Tennessee earlier this year, even with the tacit support of the company itself. Michigan became a “right to work” state in 2013, diminishing the power of unions in their own backyard.

    •  Indeed it does (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      There's a part of the culture that simply believes that working through poverty is good for you, and wealth and success is a sign of hard work. Many poor people identify with the rich because that's where they want to be. The fact is that there's little unity among the 99%. That has always been the case: where do you think racial scapegoatting came from?

      •  There's also an inculcated belief system (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Krush, maryabein, peptabysmal, ddn

        that anyone in this country can, with just a little luck, become very wealthy, and to demand more from the wealthy is tantamount to potentially shooting oneself in the foot. The belief is not rationally based, or evidenced, but our society encourages it, along with encouraging the admiration and even adulation of the wealthy.  That's a problem of values more than anything else.

        •  You can't forget about the religious influence (0+ / 0-)

          The protestant ethic believes that if you were born poor then God wanted you to work your way out of it. Being forced to work by the sweat of your brow is good for you. And if you accept help it means you are weak and cowardly.

  •  Better not (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Hillbilly Dem

    take your pitchfork to a gunfight.

  •  It makes me feel a little bit (5+ / 0-)

    better knowing that the filthy rich can't sleep at night, feeling all guilty and fearful of pitchforks. Warms me heart, it does.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:21:48 PM PDT

  •  It won't be pitchforks (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rustypatina, Krush

    While the Koch brothers and their ilk continue to send a ton of money the NRA, one has to wonder at some point if they have really thought this through. As we know they continue to support policies that promote income equality while at the same time continuing to tell the masses we need to arm ourselves to the teeth to be "truly" safe.

    "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein

    by lynn47 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:22:09 PM PDT

  •  So, what is HE going to do (0+ / 0-)

    to get the ball rolling?  

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

    by SaraBeth on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:25:04 PM PDT

  •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Angie in WA State, JayRaye
    "If you won't let us dream we won't let you sleep"

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 12:29:15 PM PDT

  •  I know I'm in the minority, but... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    I welcome the pitchforks, and the sooner, the damned better. Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING is going to change as long as we have a system so corrupt as what we have in America. Nothing will change, that is, until the first uber wealthy oligarch lies dead on a sidewalk somewhere.

  •  The thing is that the 1% can pick up and move (4+ / 0-)

    they can move to places like Necker Island and be far away from the wreckage they leave behind

  •  Soylent Pink is RICH PEOPLE!!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Fava with Chianti, 'nuff said

  •  What's the scoop here? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    FG, blueoasis

    This isn't some leaked memo or Email. This is an open letter posted by one billionaire who happens to believe in wealth redistribution. They are not unheard of.

    Beyond that, we know that the 1% fear and loath the rubes and peasants whom they believe are parasites wanting to take their precious money away. Romney's 47% comment was a revelation because it was straight from the horse's mouth in what he thought was a safe room.

    I don't see any rebellion coming. Shit, China has real armed revolts occurring all the time, and a hell of a lot of good it does against that regime.

  •  That was a pretty great article and he (0+ / 0-)

    makes all the arguments I usually make to people about why we as the "middle class" should do everything we can to promote products made in the USA and push our elected officials to raise the living standards of its working people.

    I forwarded it on to my Republican friends . . . so their heads can explode.

  •  In general, it's true. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Very high inequality makes a society unstable and unproductive. Eventually it decreases either via policy change (more likely) or after a revolution or smth like it (less likely but not impossible). However, revolutions almost always happen in relatively poor countries with weak governments. US may get there if nothing is done but we are pretty far from being there right now.

  •  Downton Abbey... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    That's the model the 1% prefers... This kind of class structure was fairly stable in the UK for quite a long time.

    Of course, that totally sucked for the 99% who were working downstairs & had no path upwards. But, they don't really count anyway.

    It's too bad that particular TV show makes the downstairs seem somewhat interesting/appealing, and not the sucky drudgery dead-end life-wasting toil it was. Otherwise, it would be a good lesson a lot of people could learn - that's where we're headed...

    Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

    by walk2live on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:26:52 PM PDT

  •  Not of President Obama can help it. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." -- President Obama to bankers, 2009
  •  Convince .1% it's more profitable to reduce ineq.. (0+ / 0-)

    ...and it will be done. That'd be a start...

    Of course inequality itself isn't the problem but is an indicator of the problem and a measure. Ineq can be reduced but prices go up, jobs do not increase, or the percent of working aged Americans in a job does not increase and then the facts on the ground, at the family dinner table, will not have changed.

    •  All they would have to do is remember the (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      aphorism they were raised with.

      "It is more blessed to give than to receive."

      I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against. ~ Malcolm X -8.62 -8.36

      by 4Freedom on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 09:21:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The guillotine was to humane back when....... n/t (0+ / 0-)

    “My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there." - Rumi

    by LamontCranston on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:34:59 PM PDT

  •  Great article. Thanks for alerting us. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Catte Nappe

    I'm sharing it all round to friends and family.

    Not sure I believe we're likely to end in pitchforks, but I think we've already headed down the more likely path: weak economy due to struggling middle & lower income families and government unable to keep up with the burden.  I hope the 1%ers will pick up on the point included in the article - that a healthy economy depends on a strong middle class.

    Still trying to figure it all out

    by CindyV on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:59:23 PM PDT

    •  That's the point I've been emphasizing (0+ / 0-)
      I hope the 1%ers will pick up on the point included in the article - that a healthy economy depends on a strong middle class.
      i've also been circulating it in my small social media pond.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:17:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  the end is nigh (0+ / 0-)

    and will commence with the grandchildren of the wealthy swinging from lampposts.

    At this point, there is little to stop it.

  •  Yes. Yes they are. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 02:42:48 PM PDT

  •  Americans are too cowed to really fight back (0+ / 0-)

    I don't see anything close to a social revolt coming any time soon

    But its interesting that some of the plutocrats are getting nervous.

  •  .01% way worse than the French aristocracy (6+ / 0-)

    I'm no scholar of French history, but from what I've read there were quite a number of reform-minded in the French elite before the Revolution, imbued with the writings of Rousseau and Voltaire. Even Louis XVI was a (timid) reformer. Of course, it was too little, too late. The same was true in pre-Revolutionary Russia, which might have followed an evolutionary course, had it not been for the catastrophe of WWI. The .01% today, embodied in the Koch brothers but also in the likes of Mitt Romney, seem much more smugly certain of their righteousness and their right to blight the lives of the rest of us.

    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    by Blue Boomer on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 03:24:02 PM PDT

  •  Madam Defarge is knitting (4+ / 0-)
  •  Let us not play French Revolution, you know where (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    no one could stop the aimless deaths of those deemed enemies of the just.  No, no more saints, devils, saviors or executioners.  This time we are merely going to tax the upper classes and more so for the upper, upper class.  In fact what we are gong to do is have an income tax that requires all to pay in cash.  No exceptions.   No 100% exemption paying taxes.  Then there will be  one time wealth tax with the option of setting up an on-going wealth tax running behind market data driven indexes.  No, there will not be a French Revolution re-play, but those people who are  hoarding  capitalists will think it's the French Revolution.

  •  Economic ideologies were developed to justify (6+ / 0-)

    rule by the rich. "The rich are the most talented rising to the top." Or, "the rich are the hardest working."Or, "the rich are the chosen of God."  

    What was really going on was so simple, it was blinding. If you were rich, you ate enough to be healthy, and you could get medical care when you were ill or hurt. In contrast, Throughout the poor suffered malnutrition - and we now know how terribly malnutrition inhibits brain function and other physiological aspects. The rich were healthier, taller, stronger, but simply because they could afford to eat regularly.

    At Thanksgiving last year, I reviewed the astonishing new technologies that can give us a historically unprecedented era of worldwide abundance and wrote:

    We are at the point where everything we need can be produced by only 20 to 50% of the population, depending on what country and its stage of industrial / technological development. So, we need to develop an ideology in which “structural unemployment” is not accepted as an excuse for hundreds of millions — billions, really — of people being left in poverty. We need, in fact, an ideology which does not accept poverty under any excuse. We have the means at hand to eliminate poverty and privation. Will we allow some the “freedom to believe” in ideologies that prevent us from doing so?
    What concerns me now is how we are going to handle genetic alterations of ourselves. If only the rich can afford to genetically perfect themselves, how long before a new recialist philosophy is developed to justify the rule by the genetically perfected rich? Scientists have already joined spider silk genes with human skin to create "bullet-proof" skin. Will the poor of the world be able to afford this type of genetic upgrade? Of course not. What will a future world look like in which the rich only are genetically altered to make them superhuman?


    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 04:15:26 PM PDT

    •  Good review in your link. I like this: (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      technology is a resource liberating mechanism. It can make the once scarce the now abundant.
      Looks like a good read. I'm optimistic powerful Tech breakthroughs by the end of the century but by then will be too hot to go outside.

      ------T'is a take-off from a Dixie Chicks song. I'm a fan------

      by Notreadytobenice on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 06:01:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I just jumped on DKos to see if anyone had posted (4+ / 0-)

    about this. Thanks MoT. I couldn't believe my eyes as I was reading this. A 1%er who actually gets it.

  •  At 81 y.o. ... (7+ / 0-)

    ...I'm old enough to have lived at a time when you could have a decent life on a living wage.  If truth be told, I don't think most folks even desire exorbitant wealth.  It's more work than it's worth.  We want a living wage to provide the necessities, health care, and a few extras like vacations.  

    This isn't asking much.  Frankly, I'd rather go to the beach, go surfing, than spend hours over a desk, on a phone, in front of several screens in a cubicle, room or office.   We don't need a lot.  Most of us don't even want a lot.

    It's simple, you guys, just give us a fair deal.

    Only a government drowning in arrogance and hubris or a government run by psychopaths and sociopaths would pick [Russia as] an enemy. Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:10:54 PM PDT

  •  Food for thought (6+ / 0-)

    Buried in the comment thread of that excellent article is this:

    Trickle down is working perfectly. What you don't understand is that it trickles down to the bottom. The bottom isn't Detroit or Chicago. The bottom is China and India. Living conditions and wages in those countries have been skyrocketing because in a global economy, all of America is the "1%". Trickle down is working, you just didn't realize that you were one of the global 1%'ers.
    Working "perfectly"? Is that snark, or not? Well as the discussion continues, he explains:
    And yes, that is how trickle down works. It will keep trickling down to the lowest wage earners in the poorest of conditions, until we eventually bring the entire planet up to the level of the poorest people in America.

    If you want to stop this, you'll have to figure out how to shut down international trade and whether or not that's really a good idea. They don't call it a "trade war" for nothing. It is interesting to know that you don't seem to support trickle down to the global poor, though.

    Don't like his point - but he has a point worth considering.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:14:35 PM PDT

    •  The textile mills in New England closing down... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Catte Nappe

      and production moving to the Carolinas. Same thing with furniture. History repeats for thousands of years.

      Need a disruptive change in technology or t'is going to be a disruptive change in society.
      It's even money in the next 30? years for either one.

      ------T'is a take-off from a Dixie Chicks song. I'm a fan------

      by Notreadytobenice on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:48:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Technology is moving towards a jobless future (0+ / 0-)

        AI and robots will replace most of the physical labor. Mcdonalds can operate without any employees today just that people expect human customer service. AI has the potential to replace most programmers, according to a friend, 95% are dead weight in that industry and can and will be replaced sooner or later. That's the class of people who think they will have jobs forever but they'd be mistaken (unless they are really good and most aren't).

        Yes, within 30 years something will likely happen but then I've read books like 2050...that predict the same thing. It isn't news.

        This isn't something new but it is what people expect though judging from pop media. Look at all the pessimistic sci-fi (books are really vicious with this nowadays) and post apocalyptic nightmare stories (that aren't that different from a war torn third world country).

        Several shows even exploring what the breakup up the US would look like. Even sci fi from 70's and 80's was pessimistic, people expect this to happen or think it is realistic enough for sure.

    •  So the US working and middle class (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      orlbucfan, Catte Nappe

      are basically the filter paper of today's global economy, capturing the dregs but not the good stuff?

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 07:45:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Pyramid of Capitalist System 1911 (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson, a2nite, 4Freedom, unclebucky

     photo pyramid-kap.jpg

    We Rule You
    We Fool You
    We Shoot At You
    We Eat For You
    We Work For All  We Feed All
    Pyramid of Capitalist System

    More History of the Poster

  •  They should keep in mind that a goodly number (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson, a2nite, 4Freedom

    of the rabble they look to enslave now are toting AK-47s and are hoarding ammo.

  •  Just bought a new pitch fork last year (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Nice to know that I might get to use it for something besides yard work. Are we going to hold a lottery to see which one of us get to stick it to the Koch boys? If so please make sure that I get a chance to buy some tickets!LOL

    Dogs and Philosophers do the greatest good and get the fewest rewards (Diogenes)

    by Out There on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:57:01 PM PDT

  •  He does a good job capturing how insane (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson, Catte Nappe

    and ultimately self-defeating the general political and cultural attitude of the 1% and their champions in Congress is. They would rather moan about takers and complain about hypothetical poor people who dare to have a cell phone or computer -- and absolutely howl at the merest mention of raising taxes -- than consider that working people making even a little more money means more consumers.

    What we've seen lately, what is so wrong with our current system, isn't capitalism per se but the attitude that if it can be done -- if you can pay as little as possible, extract as much labor as possible, give as few benefits as possible, cut whatever corners necessary, fire as many living, breathing human beings as possible, on and on and on -- then it must necessarily be right and good. If doing any number of those things gets you $50 million a year instead of $49 million, full steam ahead, and screw everyone and everything: the employees that make up the company, the environment that provides resources, everything.

    There is so, so much we could do to fix income inequality in this country, and you know what? The super rich would still be super rich. Their lives would not change dramatically, but the lives of millions could be improved, with higher and more appropriate incomes relative to inflation and productivity, better resources and infrastructure, more spending on culture, research, and science, etc etc, etc. The difference is, all those latter things benefit everyone -- more consumers, better educated and healthier population, more vibrant and productive society. The tax cuts for the top of the top coveted by the GOP? The loopholes for corporations? Who do those really benefit besides those who would be doing just fine without them? Someone is going to have to have the guts to force their hand -- make X corporation come out and say that they'll bolt if they have to pay another cent in taxes. Make their friends in Congress defend it publicly. See how that goes over with consumers and voters.

  •  the Exact reason that they demand to hide (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    The exact reason that they demand to hide there campaign Donors is an attempt to blockade any type of passive resistance against them via non-violent boycotts such as Gandi   carried out against the British aristocracy.

  •  Bring on the tumbrels! (0+ / 0-)

    Just sayin'...

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 07:44:05 PM PDT

  •  Anger yes (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    But you give the--- we--- Plebs too much smarts. The constant gun violence, open carry laws, stand your ground only leads to more fear for the populi so they fear to act.

    The character mind of the people of the 99.9 is molded by fear of job layoff, immigrants and scapegoating.

    Before there will be pitchforks there will be Another. Facisim.
    The southern states are ripe to embrace this.

    All I want is the truth. Just gimmie some truth John Lennon

    by gimmie truth on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 08:59:52 PM PDT

  •  I am sharpening (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    unclebucky, Jesse Douglas

    my pitchfork as we speak and laying in a large supply of torches.

  •  Don't go to Walmart (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    for your pitchfork. Just sayin. Go to a real farm supply store.

    We will never have the elite, smart people on our side. - Rick Santorum

    by easong on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:52:10 PM PDT

  •  I don't think we'll see "pitchforks". (0+ / 0-)

    We can't even put the people who lied us in to war on trial. And dying in a war so war profiteers can make money is worse than working for low pay. More would have happened already if people weren't going to put up with income inequality. Every job that wasn't nailed down was outsourced overseas and 47% of the people still voted for Willard Romney. Desperate poor people will rob other poor people. Brazil has slums next to mansions and the repercussion is street crime. The rich will live in gated and protected communities. Young Americans don't even know what it is supposed to be like. They have never known economic opportunity. Politicians are on the take. The Democrats of today are more fiscally conservatives than the Republicans were between FDR and Reagan. Some of Bill Clinton's policies might have temporarily helped the economy, but a lot of that was due to the dot com boom. The long term damage from NAFTA and media consolidation still remain. Not that things can't get better, but "this process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like" a new Great Depression.

    •  The catastrophic and catalyzing event will be the (2+ / 0-)

      collapse of the US$ which will portend the end of rapacious capitalism.

      •  yep (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Claudius Bombarnac

        .. its in process ... bilateral and unilateral trade deals between foreign nations' bypassing the dollar all over the world (latest UK and China apparently).  All because the boneheaded greed/power hungry fuckwads can't bring themselves to do anything righteous and just.

        "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

        by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 05:37:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Political scientists would note (0+ / 0-)

      a phenomenon called the "revolutionary cascade." It's a term that was created to explain why uprisings always seemed to come out of nowhere, but in hindsight should have been viewed as inevitable.

      Imagine 10 individuals representing an entire society. Assign a numerical value to each, 1-10, representing how many others would it take for that individual (or the segment of society that s/he represents) to join in the revolt. Now put the numbers in ascending order; something like this: 0, 2, 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, 6, 8, 10.

      In the above example, 0 represents the agitators that will revolt for almost any reason at all. They do not need anyone else involved. 10 represents those who absolutely will not take part. The society described above is fairly unhappy, but stable. The bold number shows the lone representative taking action, and the others outright ignore the agitator. But here's what happens if something triggers a negative response, and those already displeased (value < 5) are pushed a step further: 0, 1, 2, 2, 2, 5, 5, 6, 8, 10.

      Now almost the entire society is involved. Half the representatives are genuinely displeased, a few (5-6) are indifferent overall but want to make sure their specific issues are addressed, and one (8) maybe just decides to go with the crowd. This is obviously a crude example, since people cannot be summed up by simple numerical values and have far more complex reasoning processes than this allows, but it's not a bad explanation as to why these situations tend to snowball.

      "The lowest stage of humanity is experienced when the individual must labour for a small pittance of wages from others. " - Robert Owen

      by Jesse Douglas on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 03:14:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I thought we had reached a tipping point ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... in 2011, when Occupy Wall Street began. The forces of repression managed to defeat that movement (mostly), but that only means that the actual tipping point has been forestalled.

    And when it comes, it could be much more intense than anything we've seen so far.

    •  . (0+ / 0-)

      its kind of funny that Germans in Germany are protesting the federal reserve... the non-leaders in DC and around the country managed to squash OWS domestically.

      I find it amazing that some still consider BO a good president... but then again felt that way about people who thought GW was a 'strong' leader.

      "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

      by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 05:41:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Plutocrats were never scared of the D's or R's (0+ / 0-)

    It's the Tea Party they fear. Now they see a scenario of the Tea Party anti-big business rant joining up with Progressives forces to rein in their Corporate Welfare Greed. They are already feeling the effects of their small gov't wet dream they so, much brag about. They never thought it would come true. So, if you see a rich person out there that needs help tell them no. Your small gov't made me do it.

  •  By destroying our democracy (0+ / 0-)

    with redistricting, voter suppression and propaganda inundation, the plutocrats are removing the peaceful safety valve that the framers of the Constitution created to prevent the pitchforks. We can still change things at the ballot box, but that is up to people like us who go to websites like this to inform themselves.

  •  99.99% (0+ / 0-)

    We are a New World country. We don't use pitchforks, we use ropes.

  •  New kick starter project (0+ / 0-)

    Guillotine Manufacturing.

  •  imagine if all those radio stations told the truth (0+ / 0-)

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 06:39:42 AM PDT

  •  Brilliantly said! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    What worries me is all the people (myself in particular) who are nearing retirement and in the last 30 years of earning power and saving for retirement will never have a chance to make up for what they lost to the 0.01% all these past decades.

    We simply MUST have a substantial increase in Social Security as a start, to make up for lost retirement because of lost wage increases, wage theft, and loss of retirement benefits by the greedy class.

    And it must be paid for by the 1%.

  •  Ah, insight (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Sychotic1, Catte Nappe

    "In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out."

    It is the disconnect I see and hear that scares me most.  The glaring and blatant contradictions of the far right radio pukes where in literally a few sentences they can castigate the muslim terrorists and then say how we should have a government like Saudi Arabia.  Oh, wait, I'm sorry, that was Congressman.  My bad.  How a Hannity (I head this on a drive home) can tell a woman whose husband won't let her work that that is wonderful and he is trying to protect her and then a few minutes later rant on the Taliban for what they do to their women.  And never see the contradiction.  

     The complete lack of awareness in large swathes of society could be a form of cusp.  The .1% manipulating 10 to 20% who do not even know it is their throats being cut by the people they have been emotionally manipulated into trusting.  The Kochs are probably the poster children of what I am talking about.  

    But of late they are realizing they cannot control the beast they have let loose when it starts talking about "corporate welfare" and the dog turns on its master.  

    There will, however, come a time when the 10 to 20% realize that they have been taken and if you haven't noticed, that end of the spectrum is light on sense, decorum and inhibitions.  Oh, and I like how the middle just sits on it's behind thinking none of this has anything to do with them.  And the far left feeds the machine by, with all good intentions mind you, talking about creating a nanny state scaring them AND me in the middle by not seeing their own contradictions.  And the rest of the world moves on while we cannot find our behinds with both hands and have no strategy whatsoever for the future, all tactical all the time.  

    •  They want to be Saudi Arabia, just with Jesus (0+ / 0-)

      Don't you see that the only thing that is wrong with the Saudi paradigm is that they are brown and they don't worship Jesus?

      Pretty sure that is how it works.

      "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

      by Sychotic1 on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 09:49:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You're not going to beat the plutocrats in an (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    election system in which political campaigns are marketing contests that require major ad money to get off the ground.
       And pitchforks? That's what all the militarized police are for.
       What you need is to construct an alternate economy based on not buying things from billionaires.

  •  So it's true, you DO hate job-creator rich people! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite, orlbucfan

    I mean, you don't think those pitch forks manufacture themselves, do you?

    Let them eat gluten-free spelt bread with flax!


    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 07:42:34 AM PDT

  •  This is what happens (0+ / 0-)

    When you replace the system that beat Communism with the one that spawned it.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 08:03:13 AM PDT

  •  I have a dream that one day all of the rich fol... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    I have a dream that one day all of the rich folk will wake up one morning and say, "Hey, wait a minute! I'm tired of this greed. I don't want to do this anymore! My old dad wouldn't approve, but I'm an enlightened millennial, and I hereby denounce this horrible way of doing business! From now on, I will call off my lobbyist dogs and I will fight the good fight for renewable energy, CO2 reduction, income equality, an end to sexism, racism and homophobia! Where's my phone... I gotta call old man Hanauer..."

    It could happen.

  •  no, no, no... (0+ / 0-)

    RealAmur'cans never vote who they are, only who they wish they were.  We are a country founded on greed, exploitation, I've got mine, and get off my lawn.  Every once in a while some Occupy movement will turn up to proclaim the need for change and justice soon to be dismissed by the media, overwritten by the corporate meme, trampled by the police, and then castigated as, well, UnAmur'can.  But it is UnAmur'can, 'cause above, and Fox, and Benghazi something.  McCarthy's The Road ---prophecy, not fiction---likely in the form of corporate sponsored environmental catastrophe will bring pitchforks.  

  •  Frankly (0+ / 0-)

    The pitchforks are long overdue. The system is broken beyond repair. Society doesn't evolve slowly, it changes rapidly via the pitchfork and the guillotine. See what happened in France in the late 18th century and in this country.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

    by dankester on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 09:49:33 AM PDT

  •  Just so you know, the expression is "coming down (0+ / 0-)

    the pike", not pipe.  This could be a really good diary, and I would post it on Facebook if it weren't for the unnecessary crude language.  

  •  "Pitchforks" (0+ / 0-)

    How about hot tar and feathers, or gilded spikes on which to impale their self-indulgent asses.  I do not envy anyone the wealth they have gained by honest means.  Those who have not, such as Charles and David, are society's vermin.  Mitt Romney is yet another, applauding the barricaded work camps in China.  (Is Romney a closet Nazi or a Stalinist?)  The fact is, the super rich have not gotten there through hard work.  They have gotten there through manipulation of Wall Street, use of offshore accounts and massive tax avoidance.

    Our democratic republic has been under assault since the days of the Great Destroyer, Ronald Reagan.  He, along with his Republican thugs, put tax laws into place that favor the rich while screwing the rest of us.  Our government is no more an ally of "we the people" than are the rich and powerful.  "Trickle down" is an absolute farce; smoke and mirrors; the great lie from the Great Destroyer.

    But the Democrats do not get off Scot-free.  They have no spine, no balls, no cajones.  They are wimps, led by such misguided monoliths as Harry Reid.  REALLY?  And Nancy Pelosi parades before her dais coiffed like a starlet.  All the glory; none of the work that gets results.

    Where are the LEADERS?  Nowhere to be found.  Wake up America!  We are dying on the vine:  the vine of the rich and powerful who look down upon us from their lofty places, pissing on us all the while laugh and luxuriate in their plastic world.

  •  Pitchforks n the 1% (0+ / 0-)

    As much as it is not what I would hope takes place, a revolution seems that for now it may be the only choice left open to people. It would be ugly and it would hurt many people.

    I would suspect once people begin taking to the streets and begin demonstrating, the 1% will be only to happy to allow for changes. But this will not happen until they can see no way out and begin to worry about what all they could lose. Once their worst fears begin to manifest themselves, and they have no other choice, they will contact the GOTP and let them know it is time to pacify the masses.  

    Too late to stop many of the nasty things people will have to suffer.

    One scenario I have been thinking about has me wondering about the alleged (proven for some), 5 to 6 trillion the wealthy have parked offshore while protecting the money from the Government taxing it. I have read and heard the Rich are waiting to bring this money back after a change in laws transpires. I began wondering about this with respect to the crumbling Infrastructure that is a National disgrace.

    We all know repairs are needed. That would push the economy more than any other effort we can make. Employment would be word of the day and the middle class could re-emerge. The poor would be getting more assistance to join in the boom and raising them from poverty.

    But the government does not have the money to fuel theses projects on it's own. Kind of seems like blackmail to me by the 1%. Free us from the taxation of dollars we bring back into the country, and we will invest in the bonds and Companies that would be doing the investing to keep our highways and bridges etc safe for the public. The bond drives needed would also be in need of the wealthy to invest or we have no rebuilding on the scale that is needed across the land.

    That is the hold up. When you couple this situation with the inequality of who gets the most dollars that now permeates our society, you have a huge tinder box just awaiting a match.

    Revolutions have come and gone. Some worked some did not bear fruit. As an economic revolt sending millions into the streets would begin, the winds of change will begin to blow. There will be power grabs happening and there will be much violence. Could you imagine which Wall Streeter's will not chance getting to their office as the people are in the street waiting for them.

    Most likely as changes are rapidly made to change the tone of the protests things will settle back down. The people are being denied their cake, but it remains to be seen what the tipping point will be. As much as I hate the idea, I would probably be found somewhere around the front lines. I have long thought a revolution is needed and it is coming. So get a pitchfork and stand ready to reclaim the country for every body. Too big to Fail or to jail will not be the mantra from the government any longer. The rich will lie down and take whatever way is left for them to get out of this jam. Much wealth will be reallocated to the people who have created it for the 1%. It is just awaiting the boiling point to be reached and the masses get their own kind of justice once the courts and the governments are exposed as unable to fix the untenable disparities between the people and their well being......bc

  •  In my darker moments (0+ / 0-)

    I sometimes remind myself that rich people are made of meat. When the hungry and desperate eating the rich becomes a problem, they'll help do something about this crazy system. (Cf. the rumored demise of

    And then I take a a deep breath and forget all about that... and get back to trying to educate my fellow 99%ers.

  •  Pitchforks (0+ / 0-)

    One has to ask the question "Where did the wealth come from that placed the Politicians in power? Why are so many in both parties multi-millionaires ?"
    I have not met a Politician who rose to a position of power without being middle class,educated and either having money or access to money.
    If one looks real close to the Government programs to help the "Poor" some corporation or politically positioned person benefits financially from those programs.
    It is apparent the shift to the global economy encouraged by Politicians in Washington has benefitted the OWNERS,Stockholders,Wallstreet,Bankers and Manufactures bottom line while devestating the workers ability to make a living or even find employment. The below survival wages given to the labor in "Off Shore Manufacturing " has certainly added to the bottom line of all concerned except American labor.
    Raising a minimimum wage for a worker is a token gesture unless those who don't have a job in the first place become employed. Yup the "Haves" controlling money best start looking over their shoulders.

  •  The Pitchforks are Coming (0+ / 0-)

    I for one can't wait.  Nothing would make me happier than to see the mansions of the wealthy burn to the ground, or have them dragged from their limos and hung from the nearest tree.  Hell, I might even help.

  •  No one minds their wealth (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    But when their sole goal is to screw with the lives of others as a hobby, when their only other goal left in life is to become the first trillionaire, they've crossed a line.
    They don't just demand we get rid of workers rights, a living wage and any benefits, they also want to end public education, own of government and pollute at will. Kill at will with no consequence. College is becoming harder to afford. (and those like Bush jr. didn't get daddies monies worth)  The 1% are literally using their money to block any pathway for anyone else getting ahead..It's time to end their race to the top.
    All we have to do to ID who they are is look under ALEC.
    When their goal isn't to benefit their own country, but to destroy it, maybe we shouldn't make their being here so comfy. There are consequences to purposely hurting people, "because you can".
    This began with St Reagan's firing Air Traffic controllers and ends with us saying "ENOUGH" to the 1%'s very own first responder team, the GOP!
    We CAN do it at the Polls, but people have to get off their butts and vote.

  •  Inequality growing due to what? (0+ / 0-)

    Due to growing national debt by Feds, printing money like crazy devaluing our dollar, over regulation and horribly expensive health care system take over by the Feds causing many a business across out nation to go bankrupt or cut back on their work force, thus a huge loss of jobs and huge up turn of percentage of people not working now.  How about the fact that almost 50% of our people our now on the dole?  When those in the little red wagon are more than those pulling it, guess what happens?

    •  Wrong blog, di (0+ / 0-)

      There are other blogs out there that will accept your homophobia, and ALEC inspired economic theories. This isn't one of them.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 02:48:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Bolsheviks, emboldened by the French exampl... (0+ / 0-)

    The Bolsheviks, emboldened by the French example, choreographed a walk down the lodge steps to the stone walled basement. I read and studied and understand that Great War machine guns were employed down to

    the last bullet. Pits of lye awaited their corpses. But this cannot happen in America.

  •  wealth inequality (0+ / 0-)

    The real problem is the lack of knowledge of the actually oppressed thinking they are going to get the minorities who ,in their skewed way of thinking, are causing all their problems ; hate and fear are directed in the wrong direction on purpose by the propagandist press led by fox and the money of the Kochs and Adelsons.

  •  It's very simple... (0+ / 0-)

    If they don't want to end up like the Court of Louis XVI, they should stop acting like the Court of Louis XVI.

  •  waiting for the pitch forks (0+ / 0-)

    Has the GOP seen this? How bout those in the House?  I'm
    waiting for the pitch forks!!  What we need is this country
    is a revolution,  we need to get rid of those gerrymandered
    Republican districts.  
    Waiting for my pitch fork!!  "God forbid we go 20 years with
    out a revolution"!!    I sure hope it happens in my life time!!

  •  Prepare the guillotines. And get lots of very l... (0+ / 0-)

    Prepare the guillotines. And get lots of very large dumpsters set up on Wall Street. Hold their trials on the elevator ride down to the street, and when you get to the with their heads

  •  what are the have nots waiting for? (0+ / 0-)

    My French friends have told me all of my life that Americans are complacent.

    No kidding.

    I don't particularly want to see yet another revolution for the very same reasons as every other revolution; but hey...

    Do we really think that talking about it is going to do something about it?

    Do we really think that writing stuff on the internet is going to do something about it?

    Do we really think the government is going to do something about this?

    Do we really think that economics is going to do something about this?

    Do we really think that business is going to do something about this?

    Do we really think that the wealthy are going to do something about this?

    Do we really think that the churches are going to do something about this?

    Do we really think that aliens are going to do something about this?

    Do we really think that magic is going to do something about this?

    What we have going for us, just like in any revolution, is that there are a very great number of us and there are only a very few of them. In America there are about 300 million of us and there are about 10,000 of them... pitchforks will work nicely.

    I've been waiting for this for many long years, what is wrong with the rest of you?

    I suppose I'll be dead for a hundred years and the seas will have risen 40 feet, no one will have gone outside for years, the air will have been unbreathable for a century and five billion will have starved to death before Americans find their balls, grab the pitchforks and simply rid the world of the oligarchs and our plutocracy for a few years until it all happens again...

    Humans don't seem to grow or evolve, nor learn from history... they fester.

    You all just leave me depressed, a ruined life... no chance of getting better and all for what?

    Perhaps you deserve your misery.

  •  The plutocrats work hard at keeping us in check (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bryce in Seattle

    This morning I was polled by Monmouth University. One of the questions was something like, should we continue to fund pensions for public employees by cutting services to schools and children, or are they out of control? I said young lady, that is a bad question and I will not answer it, because we can fund the pensions without making our kids sacrifice. The amount of money Christie has blown on tax expenditures, tax cuts, and corporate breaks would be enough to substantially fund the pensions. it went on thus, asking if I agreed that Obama was ineffective, the ACA was a disaster, and is Christie doing a good job. I said look, I gotta go watch the World Cup. Can we call you again? No, please don't.

  •  Warm up the guillotines with Roberts, the greas... (0+ / 0-)

    Warm up the guillotines with Roberts, the greaseball Scalia, Uncle Tom, Alito and Kennedy

  •  Bring on the guillotines. (0+ / 0-)

    Some people can only learn the hard way.

  •  It won't be history repeating because nothing like (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    this has ever happened before. We may not see the trash because it is swept out of sight. We may not feel the wars because they too are out of sight. We are kept in an illusion that everything is going to remain fine and dandy; that the stores will continue to have food, that the faucets will continue to provide water, that the oil will continue to flow. But the rest of the world is sick of our American bullying. And we are trashing the planet at a clip that will bitchslap us back before long. We haven't felt the full force of it here in the US. We have been fortunate and who knows how much of it is being mitigated to keep us from knowing its full force. Never before in the history of the planet has humankind existed in the numbers it does today. With exponential growth, the half-way mark (to the planet's carrying capacity) may blow out in breakneck speed the way the exponential or compounding factor does. We are such a dumb species, we shit in our own kitchen. We have no predator except our own species. We flush our effluent in our own water supply. We don't need pitchforks. This is a quest for our minds. That is the real estate that counts nowadays. And with surveillance and our complicity, we are handing over our existence to those whose forte is exploitation because money is exploitation. Trying to get out of paying one's fair share, extracting resources (which belong to everyone), burning fossil fuels for imports and exports (when things can be made here), paying the lowest wages possible and lousy benefits, leaving the homeless uncared for, the mentally ill destitute. We go about our business like others matter not a whit but we'll feel it soon in our own home, feel it penetrate. Exploiting others means we exploit ourselves. Humanity has a lot to learn. When the power of love replaces the power of money, we will learn.  And when that happens we will enter a golden age. It is within our grasp. Living under the vile incentives of Capitalism (ie: profiteering - that's what Capitalism is regardless of nuances that only seek to give it legitimacy) will keep us under.  We do not ask our oppressors anything. We start our own new systems that attract the like-minded. Capitalism can continue for those whose love of it abides. But may do not fit under this system and we need others. Otherwise all that fanfare about freedom is just bloviating and posturing.

  •  Pitchforks? Main non . . . (0+ / 0-)

    If the environment doesn't get out its huge YARDSTICK and sweep us all off its "card table" like so many idiot-pawns, well then -- it won't be the poor and middle class carrying "pitchforks."

    It will be guillotines.  WAY more efficient for the clueless, sociopathic, "never have enough of everyone else's stuff" billionaires.  

    Crank, crank, crank, crank, click.

    For the crazy neo-con billionaires and their lapdogs.

    See you in some other dimension!

  •  Pitchfork (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    I actually do own a pitchfork. Waiting for the word.

  •  almost stopped reading at (0+ / 0-)

    "highly functioning capitalist economy"

  •  Plutocracy (0+ / 0-)

    Obama Has said in his speeches that the way to get the engine going again is to raise the minimum wage "because It will allow for people to spend more and promote growth". Once again a republisscum trying to rewrite history to make themselves the rescuers of the downtrodden. You are once again picking and choosing what slivers you want to hear. I know it's hard to hear in your Ivory tower, but get a transcript and open your money clouded eyes. The pitchforks are coming because whatever you spew, it's TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The revolution has already begun.

    •  Who would you be referring to here? (0+ / 0-)
      a republisscum trying to rewrite history

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 03:00:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  . (0+ / 0-)

      While he runs around trying to get TPP passed... what an f'ing tool

      "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

      by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 05:44:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is not a war,....yet (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    The allure of vast fortunes is a powerful potion  It is a result of a misconception by the owners of capital.  Having wealth is just fine.  Seeking wealth at the cost of destroying the razor-fine socio-economic balance we formerly achieved in the US, is just plain stupid.

    Sure, for a generation it may seem like the words "vast riches", and "riches beyond the imagination" are a noble goal.  Yet when the riches spoil a delicate balance struck between the owners of capital and those who rent and serve it, the words change quickly.

    Oligarchs, capitalist pigs, filthy rich, feudal lords, aristocrats, the 1%; all these words are fiery moats around castles built of sand.  The end result, is that our great nation will be like the third-world nations in which I have lived.  

    The walls become prisons, and the wealthy cannot even see them, until they are surrounded only by bodyguards.  The uber-wealthy begin to see only what their underlings tell them about the world beyond the walls they have constructed.

    Smooth granite walls, replaced by concrete walls, covered in broken glass and concertina wire. White picket fences are lost to memory.   These walls, as we have seen throughout history, become prisons for those within.

    Everyone becomes afraid, and decisions made in fear serve no one. The divide becomes greater and greater, until the message, that anyone in this great nation can aspire to reach their goals, is lost in the din of anger and contempt on both sides.

    Soon we will have sides to take, not differences to celebrate.  Aspirations of a middle-class are extinguished, and the formula for the free market, becomes as it was in the Industrial Revolution in the late 1800's.  Vanderbilt, Morgan, Bush and Rockefeller; names we all admire, but names that were feared and reviled in their time.

    The alienation of both the haves and the have-nots, is a poison so subtle at first, that it seems like it can be controlled.  It cannot. The end of the American Dream will not be a sad movie to watch.  It will be rocks thrown through glass windows in anger, and fiery cocktails thrown at those who swore to protect, but whom will forget whom they are protecting.

    Class against class, then neighbor against neighbor, then Hegel laughs in his grave, when owners and renters are slaves.

    All of this for that extra thirty pieces of silver....Say it ain't so, Brutus, say it ain't so.

  •  Back Windows (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    snwflk, BeninSC

    For years I have been using the back window in my wagon as a giant bumper sticker.  I invite you to do the same. Here are some saying to start with.

    If the GOP has their way serfdom will arrive the same time as the water.

    Instead of going to mars
    We went to Iraq.

    We saw it coming and did nothing

  •  He Misses The Point Entirely (0+ / 0-)

    Capitalism is the legacy of Feudalism, and inevitably will evolve into Feudalism given half the chance.

    Socialism now!

  •  The Pitchforks are coming (0+ / 0-)

    The title makes it clear that it is God who is about to destroy the Super Rich, and from history we see they never get it. When the flames were at their door the southern Masters told their slaves when the North come asking if you want to fight in exchange for your freedom tell them no. They actually expected them to listen. Many left with the clothes on their back.

  •  On the mark (0+ / 0-)

    Mr. Hanauer is on the mark. For " I'm too wealthy to worry about such triffle" I suggest they give a look at the Russian revolution. Those that will be dragged into the streets won't be the Czar and his family.

  •  Where are the pitchforks going to come from? Ha... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Where are the pitchforks going to come from? Half the working class votes Republican.

    There's a reason the super-rich have never had it so good - it's because a country's working class has never been so dysfunctional, so prone to vote against it's own interests.

    I hope everyone likes cake, because it 1788 in Paris, and the Revolution ain't coming.

  •  Pitchforks (0+ / 0-)

    "Pitchforks" says it all. These guys really do think we're peasants.

  •  Got that right (0+ / 0-)

    He is exactly right.  The right constantly blames the left for fear tactics, which is what they call stating facts these days.  It is the right that uses fear tactics, like can't raise the min wage or you'll lose jobs and if we just lower taxes on the rich they'll give you a job.  How long does it take people to catch on?  They've been saying the same drivel for decades and nothing they've ever warned about has happened the way they said it would.  It's all political BS.  Don't elect a Dem because they are atheists, or they'll pass a law letting gay people get married, blah, blah, blah.  Who the heck cares what other people do?  If everyone had a job and didn't have to worry about money a whole lot fewer would be worried about all the other stuff, and the GOP knows that, so they keep it this way because it works to get them elected and that just keeps the bad stuff flowing, the political BS raining down and people just keep on electing the same idiots over and over expecting things to be different this time.  Well folks, it won't change until you wake up and smell the rotten stuff going on in this country.

  •  Death to King Louieeeeeeeeee! (0+ / 0-)

    Death to King Louieeeeeeeeee!

  •  Never heard of Hanauer until I read this article (0+ / 0-)

    but I like him. He may be a Repub but he's a smart, likeable one. I do wonder how much of what he said to his fellow oligarchs will sink in? I'm guessing that most of them will summarily dismiss him; many will make fun of him and then dismiss him. I emphatically agree that I do not want to see the pitchforks, scythes, torches, mauls, chain saws, etc come out but I fear they will. If anything has been proven time and time again by human history, it is that masses of "commoners" can only withstand so much abuse and oppression. It is too bad that these folks are so crazed by the need for power - the kind that they imagine money can buy. They have so surpassed the bounds of GREED that they can do nothing but crave, scrape, and scrap for more wealth and more power. What an epic human tragedy it is that looms for our country.

    •  He's not a Republican (0+ / 0-)

      2014 donations

      $5,200    04/05/2013        ACTBLUE
      $2,600    04/05/2013    P    SEAN ELDRIDGE FOR CONGRESS - Democrat
      $2,600    04/05/2013    G    SEAN ELDRIDGE FOR CONGRESS - Democrat

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 02:58:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  they are so rich... (0+ / 0-)

    They think they can buy enough security and/or buy enough army intervention to keep the pitchforks away.  The government plans to shoot people demnanding food and transportation during the next oil shock/civil unrest, not provide any - because that is what our corporate overlords have paid for them to do.  Do you see the fed govt even blinking an eye about tens of thousands of people having their water shut off and being forced from their homes?  This is us, next.  The rich plan to eliminate the poor, not help them.

    "Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -Thomas Paine. "It's a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." - Miss Gayle

    by MissGayle on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 02:50:40 PM PDT

    •  in Detroit, that is. The test case, no doubt. (0+ / 0-)

      "Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -Thomas Paine. "It's a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." - Miss Gayle

      by MissGayle on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 02:53:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Rec'd, Tipped and (0+ / 0-)

    Shared on Facebook!  

  •  Bastille Day (0+ / 0-)

    The interesting situation posited in Mr. Hanauer's article is not that the Plebs will bring out pitchforks and torches for the 1% but that it won't only be people but corporations who will suffer in the outcome.  Perhaps, it is time for the richest multinationals to reconsider their policies.  They are already re-thinking global warming because, with the exception of the fossil fuel industry, it is negatively impacting their bottom line.  Global upheaval brought on by poverty will mean no safe haven for their profits and a very large drop in those profits.  Individuals may be blinded by greed and complacency but corporations will eventually have to respond to their markets and their customers, burning factories do no one any good.

  •  IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!! (0+ / 0-)

    ...that someone said what needs saying: that this trend towards the impoverishment of America needs to stop. And I've been saying it for years (but I'm just a little guy, so no one listens).

    Now we have these RepubliMorons wanting to go to war again--ostensibly to "spread their democracy-seed"; but in truth to throw trillions of dollars to their Warmonger, Inc. corporate leash-holders--while they try to slash R&D, Medicare, Social Security, and the VA (while praising those very veterans they want to abandon). Someone really needs to give them all an attitude adjustment, hopefully this is the beginning.

  •  Why is every other comment in these threads... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    backward disses of the President. It's very self destructive to not realize who's on your side or not and the language in this thread is one of attacking an enemy not talking to a friend.

    Let me give a dose of reality. This country will never change the way you want when we continue to allow corporations and the rich to buy the government. Period. Should be job number 1. Can't do that? Forget about it. People acting like it's impossible to correctly tax corporation

    So job #1, gotta do it with Democrats. The off year election seems to determine the perceived position of the middle. Want to change that? We need to get out the vote. Not only that, prove that this vote comes for every election large or small to break the perceived notions that are extremely strong. 2010, showed what's really up which forces politician's actions.

    Basically the off year electorate has higher percentages of white voters that are much more conservative than non whites. Let's get real since folks want to pretend I'll say it out loud. Conservatives have an almost total dominion over white people and that is the problem in this country. Only thing holding this country back from a total Fascist takeover is non Caucasians. But I never see any introspective on that, all I hear is how this President isn't Jesus. All I see is how it's impossible to talk to their tea party relatives or whatever.

    All Obama needed was a majority of real progressives which never happened contrary to what even Rachael Maddow has said. Combined with severe segregation making it painfully easy to gerrymander we get what we can get less we have to start over from total scratch. Rush Limbaugh definitely listens to folks like those who post in this thread for ammo that will work on his desired demographic. The implication is that Obama failed to win 100% (presidents like founding fathers worshipped so Obama must perform like a God or else) so dump him for the republican party. I wonder how it feels to be helping Rush and others like him.

    Also any uprising means the end of the everything and starting new. Economy would collapse, there's no infrastructure left since it's been crumbling for years who's going to build it? How likely is it that this country even stays together in that event? How did those riots in Detroit work out? This would look like Egypt x a million. This country would be poor for a thousand years. There's no winning in that. So Liberals and the Left need to stop fantasizing about uprisings. Completely foolish to even entertain this notion for even a second.

    I shouldn't have to say this but, people in this country got to do it the hard way within the system or might as well put your head in the sand and go back to your well paying career. Being against the interest of the rich is always an uphill battle with a lot of losses. This might not be the side or battle for you if you cannot realize this.

    •  Cutting government spending. (0+ / 0-)

      The GOP old guard "leadership" professes to want to curb government spending.  Some of the newer Republican "leadership" actually believed that lie but not recognize that it is a lie and that has created a rift (per Washington Post).

      This rift may well be an opportunity, if you will, to "divide and conquer" the GOP by "agreeing" with some of those newcomers to Republican "leadership".

      The only thing the greediest of the wealthiest of the investor class want cut is anything that doesn't profit them but perhaps some of the newcomers to Republican "leadership" and THEIR supporting rank and file might be moved to cut spending in the interest of "peace on earth".  

      There exists a US Import Export bank that finances FOREIGN purchases of military hardware from US companies to the tune of billions of dollars annually.  That is war profiteering.  That is likely why the old guard neocons are beating the war drums for the Balkans and the Mid East.

  •  War Profiteer$ (0+ / 0-)

    In our consumer driven economy, only a fool would believe that the current ever-widening wealth/income gap is sustainable.

    Back during the cold war, the Democrats used military spending as "pork barrel" for their districts.  The Republican neo cons seem taking it a step further -- they seem to be trying to create war in the Balkans and Mid East and more and more it is smacking as a means toward yet more profits for the greediest of the wealthiest of the investor class.

    While I knew some countries get US aid for the purchase of military equipment for their defense -- Israel is the first and most obvious example that comes to mind, but other nations do as well -- I hadn't realized until recently that there is, supposedly a US Import Export Bank dedicated, it seems, primarily for this purpose.

    It seems that the newcomers to what passes for the Republican  "leadership" -- those who believed the lies of the old guard about the GOP wanting to curb nonessential government spending -- are now at odds with the old guard about war profiteering.  They didn't realize that the old guard only wanted to curb spending that benefitted the majority working class of Americans but keep their corporate welfare.

  •  I keep saying there's bound to be an uprising, (0+ / 0-)

    but my husband says Americans are too settled and complacent to actually take up arms against the government. He does have a point, but every time I read about another crazy Supreme Court ruling, or the Net Neutrality nonsense, I have to wonder: Do they not see what the fire they're starting? Can they not wonder how much more the people will take before they start a revolution?

    •  The author of this post points out that (0+ / 0-)

      it won't be the complacent masses placated by television that light the fire, it will be the activists among us who reach our limit.

      A riot is an ugly sink, unt, I think that it is just about time dat ve had vone! --Inspector Kemp

      by rzim on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 04:00:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Let them eat cake! (0+ / 0-)

    Majesty, the people have no bread...

    Ok. Let them eat cake!

    Unfortunately, cake won't nourish our children... So, fuck these asshats!

  •  Sometimes, in my mind's eye ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... I see Madame Guillotine spitting the heads of the rich into a bloody basket.

  •  pitchforks? (0+ / 0-)

    I have a nice pitchfork, a good rope AND a working lighter. When can we all meet and get started? I'll drive.

  •  If the rich are afraid of what's coming... (0+ / 0-)

    ...they should take that as a wake-up call from their first-class four-star high life dream they've been living. But if they want to chicken out of having to take responsibility for gaining more wealth than they deserve, well, can't say I feel really sorry for them.

  •  I say let the Revolution come, with Citizens Un... (0+ / 0-)

    I say let the Revolution come, with Citizens United and Mccutheon there is no other way. We can stand with the people or the Oligarchs and I would rather die than stand with the people who would love to subject us back to Feudalism. Dale entonces! Que viva la Revolucion!

  •  It's not that complicated (0+ / 0-)

    As noted, some inequality stimulates economies and most Americans wouldn't have it any other way.  But there is a limit.  Want to fix inequality and turn the pitchforks into plowshares?  Pay some taxes and fund the programs that make people successful.  Health care, education, childcare and a safety net when things go wrong.  Denmark figured this out - so can America.

  •  It's Not The 1%'s Fault (0+ / 0-)

    Consider this hypothetical example: The CEO of a large corporation presents two options to the Board: one; the company can realize a 20% ROI by opening factories in Bangladesh and circumventing environmental laws (without breaking any), or two; the company gets a 7% ROI by retaining local workers and giving them a raise and by exceeding EPA recommendations.  A CEO who chooses option 2 would be fired before he reached the boardroom door. His JOB (and, for that matter, the jobs of the board member) is to protect the financial interests of shareholders - PERIOD! This Is Capitalism!

    Part of that job entails "proving" to law makers that laws and regulations need to be relaxed or, not only will this company go broke, but the entire economy will suffer.

    The Problem is that the politicians BELIEVE this shit.

    Another example is when people rail against corporations for not paying their fair share of taxes. That's ridiculous! Imagine the fate of a CFO who decides that, although loopholes are in place allowing the company to pay ZERO tax, he decides that's not fair and he's going to go ahead and pay millions he doesn't have to.

    All our efforts have to start and end with the politicians we elect.

    Getting money out of politics is not only a logical first step, it's also one for which we are most likely to garner bi-partisan support.

  •  Capitalism... (0+ / 0-)

    ... is an economy on steroids.  You get quick results and great big bulging muscles, but you are subject to 'rhoid rage and your balls shrink.

    These results are inevitable if strict regulation is not enforced to keep too much wealth accumulating in too few hands.  Political corruption is also a sure result of unfettered capitalism.

    But to get back to the subject:  When climate change brings the inevitable crop failures and famines, the rich will see the torchlight gleaming on the pitchforks, and begin to realize just how stupid their greed has made them.

    •  sorry, but they will survive climate change (0+ / 0-)

      they will be the last ones to suffer. Their money will still buy them food and protection long after the torches go out. The walls that surround their homes will be further fortified and they will barely notice the ruckus outside.

      If I was to suggest a job category for someone young and just entering the job market, I would recommend the "Security" business, and make sure you work for one of the rich bastards. They will need your protection. That's the growth market in the coming days..

      All roads lead to Chalabi.

      by steelman on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 09:56:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Perhaps I'm only a peasant... (0+ / 0-)

    ...but I'm actually in favor of pitchforks at this time. In fact, it's a perfect time for the pitchforks and torches and tumbrels. There are, by my uninformed and utterly unscientific estimate well over five hundred people in this country alone that have personally benefited by deliberately tanking the economy of the United States. The demographic is roughly a half and half mix of Wall Street and Congress and the political origin is solely Republican.

    There are those on Wall Street who manipulated the market and violated SEC laws in ways that, had they been members of the Gambino family for example, would have earned them life sentences. Instead, every one of those crooked financiers and bankers walked. They never served one second of jail time.

    They deserve the pitchforks and the torches and the tumbrels.

    There are the incredibly inept and malicious, relentless ideologues in Congress who brought our country to the edge of disaster and ruined our credit rating, probably for all time. They had the stupefying arrogance to cheer with juvenile glee while boasting that they had nearly destroyed the United States.

    They get a different tumbrel to the gallows; one marked "For Traitors Only."

    But the real spectacle of public execution belongs to the boyos and tough girls of the Oil cartels. They are attempting to force the corporate structure of the oil industry over the government and Constitution of the United States.

    Shall we start with the Koch brothers? Yes, I would love to see their bloated bodies twisting in the wind as they hang from their necks until they are dead, dead, dead. I believe that there are many here at the Daily Kos, readers and bloggers alike, who know just how dangerous these men are. They would literally, not figuratively destroy the government, the Constitution, the Declaration and any other document that might prevent them from carrying out their plan of complete control of the economy and utter domination of the market. (They would naturally assume the actual governing of this country would theirs by right of conquest) Governmental regulations hinder them. Therefore they reason that government must be destroyed as if it was a competitor. Which it is, but in not quite the way they envision.

    Separate tumbrels, please, and hang them back to back.

    Oh, the list is long, the scoundrels black-hearted indeed and there aren't near enough gallows to hang them all. But let us remember how sick of blood the common folk in France were post-Revolution. (Remember, theirs came after ours and it's safe to say that we encouraged theirs) We need to execute these predators but we aren't going to feel too good about it later.

  •  Tipped and rec'd for optimism, BUT let's get real: (0+ / 0-)

    Revolution by poor people is simply not going to happen anymore in high-tech societies with big militaries and militarized police forces. Any such attempt would result only in the mass arrest of the revolutionaries -- arrest of millions of people if necessary -- and life imprisonment of all of them without trial as "terrorists."

    I think Hanauer does make a valid point though, in the sense that economically disadvantage people will eventually do something to try to improve their situation in the face of increasing economic inequality. However, I suspect the something they do, which they could actually possible succeed at, would be the democratic election of a socialist or even communist government. Yeah, even that's probably not going to happen, but it's a lot more likely than violent revolution.

    The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

    by Eric Stetson on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 06:11:51 PM PDT

    •  Revolution (0+ / 0-)
      Revolution by poor people is simply not going to happen anymore in high-tech societies with big militaries and militarized police forces. Any such attempt would result only in the mass arrest of the revolutionaries -- arrest of millions of people if necessary -- and life imprisonment of all of them without trial as "terrorists.

      All quite true, Eric. Which is why any preparation for revolution must contain a vital element necessary for its success: control of communications. Police and paramilitaries use well-known radio frequencies which can be jammed and interfered with. Their computers are notably older than state-of-the-art and any reasonably competent hacker can break their networks within minutes. But it's best to be prepared, so moles will be needed for strategic and tactical information within the command structure. Those folks should be prepared to lose their lives immediately, once this starts.

      The first best method of communication control is destruction of the system. We may need to use it for a short time, though, so it might be best to capture the police systems and then destroy them when the opposition realizes this. But they must be destroyed for any chance of success. Those are the primary targets in a revolution, not people. You can't hang a man while a cop is shooting at you.

      There are further techniques and tactics, of course. But you are correct in stating that poor people cannot hope to revolt successfully as long as the police own all the technology. The counter-tactic to that is, of course, turn their own tech against them or render it unusable.

      Don't think for a moment that the real revolutionaries, the ones who read these blogs and forums but remain silent and keep their own counsel haven't thought about this long and hard. I do hope I've added somewhat to their growing arsenal.  

  •  Benefit corporation (3+ / 2-)
    Recommended by:
    enhydra lutris, cville townie, BeninSC
    Hidden by:
    scoop, despaminate3000

    like green washing,  White washed "Benefit corps" are now happening.
    The US. @ first required all corps to explain how they benefit. now they are given free reign..

    "These early state corporation laws were all restrictive in design, often with the intention of preventing corporations for gaining too much wealth and power.[3]"

  •  Pitchforks? (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with the sentiments of the article but unless you have a well armed "99%" with unregistered weapons, when the SHTF the plutocrats won't be the ones getting slaughtered.

    Pitchforks were fine and dandy when the French were fighting against swords and canons...not today.

  •  I suggest we start with the pitchforks NOW... (0+ / 0-)

    ... not actually USING them as such, but at least waving them and lit torches around.  Walmart HQ, the homes of the various Walton heirs, Wall Street, wherever it seems appropriate.  No signs, no violence, maybe not even any chants ... just thousands of people, marching, each with a pitchfork in one hand and a lit torch in the other.

  •  Offshored funds don't 'trickle down' (0+ / 0-)

    That's the first thing that needs to be fixed, big time. As to the Pluts heavily armed thugs, the Police and the Army
    belong to 'the people' and are of us, and mercenaries want to collect wages, not die protecting some plutocrat.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 07:43:33 PM PDT

  •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

    ...that they've spent years convincing people that there is a conflict between big government and personal liberty, the free market vs. government regulation. Big business and big government are not the separate things they appear to be. Perhaps they never were. Before WWII, the US military was routinely (and much more overtly) used to go in to nations to "pacify" native populations in order for the private sector to gain access to their natural resources. What is different now, is that the corporations have gotten so big that they need not have any allegiance to any one government.

    It's going to be a lot messier. Those at the top, especially in government, will not tolerate any real questioning of authority. The sanctions for doing so will quickly become swift and severe.

    With my luck, I'll be too young to keep my mouth shut, and too old to fight. A combination that historically nets one permanent residence in a mass grave somewhere.

    France was a long time ago, and a pitchfork is of little use against a drone strike.

    When elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers. -- African Proverb

    by LouisWu on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 08:30:24 PM PDT

  •  Trickle (0+ / 0-)

    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 08:36:06 PM PDT

  •  Why are the 1% baiting the pitchforks? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    catilinus, belinda ridgewood, BeninSC

    First, kudos. This is the best piece I've ever read on DailyKos. Pointed and well-written. (I mean MoT's take on Hanauer, though Hanauer's essay is good, too.)

    Hanauer's basically arguing for a return to New Deal policy and a Fordist economy. He understands that the unions and FDR didn't undermine capitalism, they saved it from self-destruction. A 'mixed' government/economic system with a high minimum wage, limited redistribution of wealth, and an effective regulatory apparatus is GOOD for the material interests of plutocrats. As Hanauer notes, highway travel is a good analogy. Not just speed limits and stop signs, but mandated insurance, safety inspections, vehicle licensing requirements...

    Hanauer writes: "The most ironic thing about rising inequality is how completely unnecessary and self-defeating it is."

    The thing is, he ought to be Captain Obvious here, but instead he seems like the one sane person in a luxury suite full of crazy people. The plutocrats seem just as unable as the proles to identify and act on their material best interests. The question is, "why?"

    The answer, I think, is that's just not the way human beings are wired. Hanauer seems to buy into that fundamental premise of conservative economics that people make rational calculations based on serving their material interests, or at least that's what we ought to expect of them. But there's scant evidence for that in the history he references.

    Mainstream thought these days drops nothing but smack on the two most insightful thinkers of early modernity. Hanauer seems to get Marx, which is smart for a capitalist, but like just about everybody else, he's missing what ought to be the enduring lessons of Freud.

    Human rationality (ego) literally sits on top of an impulsive child-like unconscious (id): the basal ganglia get to over-rule the cerebral cortex as a matter of anatomical structure. Think of plutocrats as ruled by their inner pre-schooler and you get a better predictor of their behavior.

    They don't want lots of toys, or even the most toys, they want ALL the toys for themselves. They want power most of all, in a totally irrational way. They want not just to be kings, but ruthless despots — to bathe their ids with triumph in the suffering of others.

    Just one recent bit of evidence of this: a perfectly wacky column dissing the World Cup by Ann Coulter. Yeah, she's a troll, who's just trying to call attention to herself by being intentionally outrageous, and more sane conservatives have called her out on this... but that all goes to my point about spoiled child ids running rampant. While the application of 'conservative values' to futbol in her column are ludicrous, the thing is those actually are the values her people have.

    The prospect of either personal humiliation or major injury is required to count as a sport. Most sports are sublimated warfare. Baseball and basketball present a constant threat of personal disgrace. In hockey, there are three or four fights a game -- and it's not a stroll on beach to be on ice with a puck flying around at 100 miles per hour. After a football game, ambulances carry off the wounded. After a soccer game, every player gets a ribbon and a juice box.
    The 1%-ers do not want to concede the rest of us a ribbon and a juke box. They want to leg-whip us, high-stick us in the head, and howl with delight as our humiliated spirits and broken bodies are carted off the playing field.

    Hanauer may not get the psychology of his class, but I think it's interesting that his basic premise is that plutocrats do actually run things and their choices matter — which is something they would mostly deny. The claim is always, "We're just responding to the market. The market is making the calls, not us." So let's go back to Marx far enough to give that some credence: ideologies may not strictly be superstructures on the material base of economic systems, but they don't thrive if material conditions undermine them. From Adam Smith on, one of the arguments for capitalism has been that market forces inevitably act against human irrationality.

    If the 1% are being stupid enough to undermine their own hegemony by driving our society into neo-feudalism, why doesn't the market correct them? We're not just talking about privately held companies here, but publicly-traded multinational corporations, in which lots of 99%-ers have financial stakes via pension funds and what-not. Yet the stock market not only fails to put the brakes on the urge to all-vanquishing despotism, it actually rewards it. It's not supposed to work that way. So why does it, and what kind of change would make it function otherwise?

    I want to suggest that the rules of the stock market are crucial here: specifically the speed with which stocks can be bought and sold. Hanauer is talking about everyone's best interests in the long-haul, but there is no long haul on Wall Street. Every business school teaches their MBAs to maximize profit on a quarterly basis, lest they be displaced by someone who can show a higher return on the next bottom line. Scorch-the-land aggression is a structural feature of the economic system as presently constituted.

    Hanauer's right, of course, that regulated capitalism is still capitalism. And the notion that markets aren't regulated now is just silly — the question is just what regulating measures will be in place, where they will come from, and what benefits they will provide to various social actors.

    I submit, then, that the first step back toward a Fordist economy and neo-New Deal policy would be to change the rules of the stock market to favor long-term investment over short-term speculation.

    Hanauer would probably never admit this, as he wouldn't want to get strung up by his thumbs at the country club, but the logical extension of his argument is that Elizabeth Warren is the capitalists' best friend, not their worst enemy. She's trying to save their save them from their raging ids by instituting rules that will send more juice boxes to the middle class, which will stabilize the system and eliminate threats of collapse.

    Hanauer says directly, and correctly, that a social system with extreme levels of inequality is unstable and likely headed for trouble sooner or later. What he only implies is that a social system with moderate levels of inequality is stable. Meaning inequality can be unjust and immoral and destructive to the human spirit just so long as it doesn't go to extremes.

    Political realities being what they are in Tea Party nation, I don't see a return to 'benevolent' despotism on the horizon, nor do I see the powers that be wising up to adjust their own rules in ways that would increase stability. As unlikely as that prospect may be, it still seems more plausible than any progressive pitchforking scenario, and, however weak the odds, probably is the best outcome the 99% can hope for. Alas, I fear a descent into full-blown fascism is more likely — hell, we're already half-way there.

    I hate to end on a bum note, but I can't think of anything else to say...

  •  The Ignorance (0+ / 0-)

    of our politicians is astounding. Fidel Castro, Mao ZeDong, Vladimir Lenin and others like them came to power and were accepted by their citizens because of the vast divide between the haves and the have nots, the powerful and the weak and the favored and the oppressed. The same thing will occur in our own nation. It's only a matter of time. I'm certainly not calling for a rebellion or revolution but I'm not so ignorant that I don't see it coming.

    •  The overwhelming majority... (0+ / 0-)

      .. of our national leadership is utterly OWNED by the Plutocrats and for the most part they don't seem to care and a lot of them seem to like it. Constituents? Who cares?

      Both sides of the aisle.

      Progressives go to the polls and hold our noses and vote for what we pray might be "less worse."

      What th' heck do I know, I work for a living...

      by SamuraiArtGuy on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:20:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Since 1789, yes, but behold the joker... (0+ / 0-)

      …a brain-linked Transhuman Elysium [Delphi-projected for 2085-2120], seems ineluctable, unless thwarted by thermageddon & cascading trophic collapse to Toba-like near-extinction 72KYA, w/a few hundred breeding pairs…there was no Deus ex Machina for Hypolytus & won't be any for us either, in extremity…we exhausted surface ores already by 1920 CE & landfill metals are too dispersed for recovery by entremanures…even dragging out & greasing up musea locomotives is cosmic risibility…quod erat argumentum.

  •  At this point, I'm about ready for the pitchforks. (0+ / 0-)

    The plutocrats are so entrenched, our politicians are so captured, our laws are so skewed to plutocrats, that politics has become a sideshow for the delusional. We may have reached the tipping point where the only way change will come is through a protracted spasm of violence directed at the plutocrats, our very own oppressive aristocracy that is becoming more hereditary all the time.

    Marx was an optimist.

    by psnyder on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 09:54:09 PM PDT

  •  Yes Virginia, (0+ / 0-)

     the social contract will be renegotiated.

  •  History will repeat (0+ / 0-)

    It is inevitable that history is getting ready to repeat itself again. I'm not sure what measurement of pressure, stress and financial pain one group can be expected to endure and suffer before they just break. It's coming.

  •  And (0+ / 0-)

    ..the renegotiations of the social contract will not be televised.  

  •  I have been saying this for years, history repe... (0+ / 0-)

    I have been saying this for years, history repeats itself but this is a massive scale and I believe it's not going to get fixed before it gets worse

  •  I've been using this example for almost a decade.. (0+ / 0-) my personal political conversations.

    That the only reason feudal society worked in Europe was every few centuries, the peasants would revolt, murder the lords, and spread the wealth.

    It's inevitable--it's why controls are needed. Not just to protect workers, but to protect those at the top. If they really want a feudal lordship, where we are but serfs, they're gonna get the whole shebang, violent uprisings and all.

  •  i believe the die is cast and all we can hope to (0+ / 0-)

    do now is mitigate the damage.

  •  I'm a capitalist. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm certainly not in the same league as Nick Hanauer or any of the famous oligarchs, not by a mile.  But I make the bulk of my income from investments and a bit of Social Security.
    I LIKE capitalism and I am absolutely convinced that the wealth disparity is going to kill capitalism.  Kill it deader than dead.
    The body is the economy, blood is wealth, or money, if you like.  A healthy body has a full compliment of blood moving freely about, right down to the capillaries such that every cell gets a flow of life-giving blood and the waste materials are removed efficiently.  If you have restrictions in the vessels or areas where blood flow is simply not reaching the cells, you have ill health, possibly terminal ill health.  If you have massive pooling of blood in some part of the body, you are in serious shit.  That is time to be rushed into the emergency room and have top surgeons stop the bleeding and remove the sludgy goo.  
    Certain organs deserve and need higher blood flow, but at a reasonable proportion, not so much as to starve the rest of the body.  
    Physical activity (creativity and construction) stimulate the rate of blood flow and keep the pump (banking and investment) functioning well.
    The analogy isn't flawless, but helpful, I hope.

    •  Absoutely true... (0+ / 0-)

      ... the behavior of the wealthiest and the mega-corproations are like a pack of sharks in a swimming pool full of trout. The're so busy trying to eat all the trout, that they won't notice when the trout (the market) is all gone, and they all starve to death, all at once.

      Are economy is as fragile as a bad poker hand at a crooked casino in Reno.

      What th' heck do I know, I work for a living...

      by SamuraiArtGuy on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:17:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I've been saying the same thing for five years now (0+ / 0-)

    If things don't change in the very near future to grow our economy the way it should, the 99% who have been left out, are going to take to the streets.  It's coming and those at the very top are too stupid and greedy to realize it.  Everyone who has been left out of a better life should be required to read both this diary, as well as the article it links to.

  •  VERIZON tossed this into the Spam Bucket (0+ / 0-)

    I get DKos emails everyday with an extract of recommended diaries.   For some reason, I discovered this diary only by accident which checking my spam folder because Verizon had tossed the DKos email with it.


  •  Do they really CARE? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think the 0.01% care.  My guess is that they want to create a class that simply can't afford pitchforks.

  •  Obama, a friend of the Oligarchs (0+ / 0-)

    Obama is helping gays, women and reducing discrimination however is selling out the average poor and middle income Americans. He is selling us out to the Free Trade Agreement, Big Banks and Corporations. Rather than listening to voters, he is listening to the wealthiest .05%. The wealthiest pick and choose who we can vote for---so much for government of the people, by the people and for the people.

  •  Seriously, I was surprised... (0+ / 0-)

    not to see the pitchforks and torches headed down Broadway to Wall Street back in 2008. But the no-strings bail-out and a LOT of weasel talk seemed to take the wind out of and diffuse public outrage, and the bastards got away with it. Free and clear.

    I am relocating my home and small business out of the NYC tri-state region because I can't afford to stay. MY income, despite record stock market peaks, has been essentially flat since the crash. My expenses, anything but. But thanks to the banks' malfeasance and greed, it's taken nearly a YEAR to sell the home I can no longer afford to keep.

    Mr Hanauer already raised some sand with his suppressed TED Talk about Income Inequality and the Rich not being job-creators [ ] and was soundly attacked by the Right for his perceptive honesty.

    There is a LOT of discontent growing out there, and yes, eventually something is going to snap. But I honestly feel the majority of the 1% is not going to go quietly or reform themselves in the least. The "more for us and less for everybody else" club is not in a hurry to it's membership requirements anytime soon. Witness the Hundreds of Millions the Koch Brothers are pouring into manipulating elections to insure their continued ownership of our elected leadership.

    But at least George Carlin saw it coming... back in 2005. The segment is from his HBO Comedy Show, "Live is Worth Losing."

    [ ]

    The man wasn't a comedian, he was a Journalist.

    What th' heck do I know, I work for a living...

    by SamuraiArtGuy on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:54:20 AM PDT

  •  I have believed exactly this for some time. (0+ / 0-)

    And yet insanely, there is a video somewhere of Rick Santorum matter-of-factly telling a questioner at a town hall meeting, before he was soundly rejected as a 2012 presidential candidate, that the French Revolution was the result of the denial of religious freedom.  

    No mention at all of the country-wide starvation and grinding poverty versus the insatiable greed and obscene wealth of the royals.

    Santorum probably still believes his ignorant pat answer, just as he believes the world is not warming, women are inferior, and homosexuality is a choice.  I still wonder if he's ever heard the words, "Let them eat cake!".  If he has, he probably explains it as a custom of the royals, passing out cake to the peasants at religious freedom rallys.  And the tea party crazies will believe that explanation.

    I fear that if Mr. Hanauer's words are heard at all by the right, they will be scoffed at, ridiculed, and rejected.  Otherwise, his words will be ignored.    

  •  So what is your solution? (0+ / 0-)
  •  In choosing leaders, the first thing to consider (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    should be whether they are in possession of a working conscience.  If they don't have a working conscience, that means they are, by definition, a sociopath.  

    No one without a working conscience should be the head of anything, even of a family, much less a government.  

    If we ignore that essential, basic requirement, nothing else really matters.  

  •  From the article: (0+ / 0-)
    Republicans and Democrats in Congress can’t shrink government with wishful thinking. The only way to slash government for real is to go back to basic economic principles: You have to reduce the demand for government. If people are getting $15 an hour or more, they don’t need food stamps. They don’t need rent assistance. They don’t need you and me to pay for their medical care. If the consumer middle class is back, buying and shopping, then it stands to reason you won’t need as large a welfare state. And at the same time, revenues from payroll and sales taxes would rise, reducing the deficit.  

    This is, in other words, an economic approach that can unite left and right. Perhaps that’s one reason the right is beginning, inexorably, to wake up to this reality as well. Even Republicans as diverse as Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum recently came out in favor of raising the minimum wage, in defiance of the Republicans in Congress.

    This is the first good news I heard in a long, long time.
    For years, I've been predicting that the US was headed toward a feudal society.  It's heartening to know that I've not been the only one.  If even Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum realize it, maybe we're not doomed after all?

    The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

    by twocrows1023 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:30:04 AM PDT

  •  I have a mantra for most economic arguments... (0+ / 0-)

    We all do better when we all do well.

    I didn't come up with it.  It seems I've heard it most of my life, but it succinctly encompasses my view of how economics should not be exclusive.  Wall St. is myopic; only the last quarter and the next quarter are important.  If your stock isn't rising your company is dead.  Never mind that there is only so much consumption that can be done.

    There are fewer small businesses, and it's partly our fault.  When you need a dry cleaner do you choose the hometown business or the regional name?  Do you choose the local eatery or the regional one?  We are all being squeezed by local taxes and living costs, which makes who you spend your money with even more important.

  •  Richer and Richer (0+ / 0-)

    Let's start with Walmart and the Walton's. Bring the pitch forks to Walmart and demand that they pay their employees a living wage. I am sure that the richest family on the planet can afford it.

  •  HISTORY (0+ / 0-)

    Tito said when a man has a family, a roof over their head, a car in the garage, a TV in the corner, and food on the table he is unlikely to riot or try to over through the government.  He was the only communist to successfully run a country (post WWII Yugoslavia).

  •  Pitchforks? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Claudius Bombarnac

    Well, that's a nice way of putting it. They can run from pitchforks. I don't think they'll have the choice to run.

  •  Pitch fork my ass (0+ / 0-)

    I hope it never comes to a French revolution to realize a fairer economy enviornment but that out come is always there. The problem for the 1% is the 99% don't have pitch forks any more they are well armed with AK47, automatic pistols, and 5tons of ammo. So I would agree the 1% really need to wake up after all it's just mony.

  •  "Elysium" (0+ / 0-)

    This movie came out last year, with Matt Damon, about such a society, in which the ultra wealthy built their own orbiting planetoid, with every luxury imaginable, while what remained on the surface of the planet resembled the post-apocalyptic Mad Max movies.  While Elysium served as their exclusive and isolated gated community, disaffection has a way of finding its way, or making its way.  The OCCUPY movement challenged the establishment and proved many of the observations of "Ministry of Truth" to be quite accurate.  The police reactions to the Movement were NOT such as could be called humanitarian or even sympathetic.  They were doing the bidding of the corporate and plutocratic masters.  Even though there were VERY few incidents of violence on the part of the protesters, virtually every move the police made was unmitigated violence.  And, unfortunately, our judicial system is in the loop.  With little or no support from the politicians one would expect to view the protests favorably, what do these people expect to happen, especially given that there are over 300 million guns in the hands of private owners in this country.

  •  My pitchfork is sharpened and ready. (0+ / 0-)

    When the one percenters make life so difficult for even those of middle class means, you lose a buffer to your survival.

  •  1% (0+ / 0-)

    I'm tired of waiting for them to decide to do the right thing.


  •  The problem is that inequality (0+ / 0-)

    is at historically high levels and getting worse every day.

    Not exactly
    The problem is that the rules of the game are so written as to give "them what has" even more of an unfair advantage than they would already have, just from , well, having.
    Really, being wealthy is enough of an advantage without corrupt legal systems acting as a positive feedback loop to the process.

  •  Just in, the Super Rich Super Supreme Beings (0+ / 0-)

    Once again favor corporations over people - BUT only in regards to women's health insurance coverage. Men, apparently, may continue to enjoy health insurance coverage that includes enhancing their ability it get it up and beget. Women will be denied not just abortions but now the contraceptives to prevent the need for those as well! Rape is also just guys being guys so the outlook for American women is breath-stealingly horrible....

    Ladies, it's time. Past time. Let's stand up and let these men know life either without us - or living with us as that oh-so-cutesy phrase 'on the rag'. Those men who agree? C'mon and join up too!

    The pitchforks (and the justifiably furious women) are indeed coming in ways men should be terrified to witness.

    If you teach your child only one thing, let it be kindness through example.

    by Nodin on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 08:11:14 AM PDT

  •  Where's my pitchfork (0+ / 0-)

    why not us, why not now.
    I am running a special on Ebay, buy one pitchfork, get one free.

  •  Multi-millionaire Nick Hanauer told them (0+ / 0-)

    He told his fellow billionaires that if they didn't start changing their ways then they should expect their futures to hold a lot of pitchforks.  Except, American workers wouldn't recognize a pitchfork if they saw one.  An AK47 yes, but not a pitchfork.

    In other words, all this power play from the rich has only one path to follow, and that path is dictated by the workers.  They can't make money if we don't work for them.  Of course, without pay we don't eat.  So start saving your money and building a nice garden against the day when the rich just go one step too far.

  •  Remember what happened (0+ / 0-)

    to the rich in France... French lost their heads, then the police state under Robespierre, then Napoleon, then a restoration but the disparity wasn't as big. We're heading for a French Revolution now unless things change fast.

    English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

    by CatKnipND on Sat May 09, 2015 at 09:17:31 AM PDT

  •  Pitchforks, eh? Interesting. (0+ / 0-)

    In popular lore, pitchforks are used in hell to punish those who belong in hell.  By using this image, he is admitting that oligarchs belong in hell.  Unfortunately there is no hell, so we have to come up with another suitable punishment for greed.

  •  The wealthy aren't going to see pitchforks... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Kyoto Kid

     I'd rather they were dragged out to a guillotine.  And what's more, they should be put in face up so they can see what's coming!

      One of the old sci-fi shows I used to watch was Battlestar Galactica.  The novels said this is how the Cylons would execute
    they're prisoners. A totally splendid idea!!  

  •  "The pitchforks ARE coming" (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bluegeorgia, Kyoto Kid

    For the last three years I've been getting people laughing at me and telling me that I'm crazy. I have been saying that the wealthy should remember both the 4th of July and the 14 of July. Because on those two days in different years rebelions were started to get rid of the overlords.
    America is being led down the path towards either an oligarchy or an aristocracy like that of Louis the XVI and Marie Antionetter. Only at the end the American public will NOT accept eating cake any more than did the Frence in 1789. And there was an awful lot of "off with their heads going on over there

  •  "You show me a highly unequal society... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    ...and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising."

    Looks like we already have the former. And the latter won't be with pitchforks or torches. It will be with assault rifles. RPG's, and "Molotov Cocktails."

  •  July 14, 1789 (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    I have often thought that we would finally get around to the French Revolution. My favorite poetic justice event in history.

    And the man is correct, extreme wealth and extreme poverty cannot coexist.  And guess who out number the 1%. Good luck hiding behind those gated communities if it ever comes to this.

    Just remember what followed the initial overthrow of the monarchy.  It was not pretty.  And if the military sides with the oppressed (as happens in other countries), you will not be happy with the results.

    All we need is a tipping point.

  •  So true. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    "Wingnuts in the service of the Plutocrats want you to think it's the Gubmint. The vast majority of Americans who are not demented right wing nut jobs know better."

  •  Interesting that... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bluegeorgia the biggest city in "Scooterland" (Milwaukee) they celebrate Bastille Day every July, complete with a smaller version of the Eiffel tower.  Meanwhile the the state is becoming more and more economically divided every day under Walker's policy of pandering to wealthy interests while cutting funds for public education (at all levels), healthcare, and social services, as well as opposing a living wage for the working poor.

    The situation there proves that sometimes the wealthy are able to control government through "buying" elections. I hear a lot of dissatisfied voices speaking out from the "land of cheese and beer", but Walker and his wealthy pals (two of which - the Kochs - bought him the governor's seat), still appear to be in total control.

    The citizens there need to take the notion of "Bastille Day" more to heart and actually make it count.

    ...Escape From Wisconsin, while you still can.

  •  guillotine coming to a town near you soon.... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    The 1% wants the rest of us to squeeze into the back of the cave and eat cake, sure Marie. sure

  •  Hanauer is right... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    he knows that when you piss off enough people, change is'a coming! Right now people are really getting pissed off, and not only do these rich guys know it, so do their lackeys, our politicians. Watch out for more and more militarization of American police forces as the billionaires' shills, again - our politicians - become fearful (physically fearful) of "We the People."

    My fear is that people have become like concentration camp prisoners, and too willing to go like sheep to the slaughter...

  •  Money and manure... (0+ / 0-)

    are best used when spread around...not left in stinking piles in banks and behind barns.  Pitchforks can be used to spread both around.

  •  It's worse than that when you count real income (0+ / 0-)

    These figures are based upon income as defined by the IRS Code.  The favorite tax-avoidance technique is to use provisions that allow you not to count inocme as income.  Also, only corporate and individual citizens are taxed on income.  Foreign and "foreign" corporations and individuals don't pay income tax.

  •  The plutocrats... (0+ / 0-)

    also need to pay their fair share of taxes as well. The tax rates should go back to what they were under president F.D. Roosevelt. All the regulations that were removed which kept the corporate wealthy in line have got to be reinstated. Lastly, lose the unfair trade agreements. This is the only way to get our country back on track.

    The man is right, people are getting tired of game that is being played on them. Many of us remember what the economy and life in this country was like before Reagan came along. Right wingers don't know any history that happened before Reagan, and the only ones that do are the greedy criminals that don't want anyone to know how things were in this country before the Neo-con plutocrats showed up. Everyone in the world has to pay for what they destroy, and these traitors will pay for their destruction of the American middle class, one way or another.

    If you like bicycles, check out the newest and coolest products at my site, "" You can also find my products at e-Bay under the name, "Ziggyboy." See all the products on my "See seller's other items" link.

    by JohnnieZ on Sat May 09, 2015 at 04:09:35 PM PDT

  •  Pitchforks are coming? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Greed blinds people who amass fortunes.  I'm sure they all believe that they are too rich and powerful to be affected by any uprising against them because they have paid the necessary government forces (politicians, etc.) more than enough to guarantee they will be protected against the "masses" (We the People).  The militarization of police forces around the country is certainly proof of that!

  • &