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Are we approaching the end of the nation state as the universal desired status? I see the Middle East as not being a good fit for the nation state. It seems the religion of the overlords is very important. Thus the Ottomans may have been viewed as oppressive, but not illegitimate. The USA does not truly realize how much we inherited the role of the British in relation to empire. We are seen as the inheritors and beneficiaries of Sykes/Picot even tho we ( Americans) were not in room  at the time. There is little we can do because of the legacy of the British. What will evolve is unclear, but something not a nation state is one possiblity

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  •  Middle East isn't a good example (3+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides, mookins, VClib

    Most countries there have borders that weren't set up by the people living there.

    Or maybe it's a great example, canary in the coal mine, where it'll fall apart first.

    One reason for nation states is, as population grew there needed to be clear delineations between the different spheres of influence. Hence, borders. Hence, nation states. So we might not lose that till world population shrinks drastically.

    Of course, with climate change coming on like gangbusters that might not take too long.

    •  Beyond the fact which you cite about the current (1+ / 0-)
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      borders of countries having been drawn by Europeans with no regard for what the people living there wanted, there's also a lot of history in the region.

      Nearly every country has been part of a large regional nation at some point- be it one of the Caliphates or the earlier empires such as the Babylonians, Assyrians, etc.  Many people living in the various modern countries have a vision that their country will some day expand to fill most or all of the region.

      Throw in the Sunni - Shia issue and unless some group becomes very dominant, I suspect it will be easier to come up with borders between the Palestinians and the Israelis than stable borders between the various Arab countries.

  •  On the contrary (0+ / 0-)

    Outside of a few states in the Middle East (Israel, Iran, and to a large extent Egypt come to mind), the states of the Middle East have not been nation states.  If anything, we may be headed more in that direction- where ethnicity and religious sect unite to form nations, and in turn new states.

  •  Somewhat off topic but... (0+ / 0-)

    my vision, for all it's worth, is that of a million self reliant eco-villages throughout the world. National boundaries will fade as grass roots societies are formed throughout the world seeking relationships with others across the world.

    Ethnic groups may want to coalesce into meta-communities but they will not have any sovereign rule over others.

    Concentrated wealth, such as the oil fields in "Iraq" which are in Kurdish territory, will present difficulties since local groups will want to monopolize what is in their "backyard" but infrastructure to deal with such wealth - i.e. refineries and transportation - can be spread out throughout the local region.

    A million Arcosantis.

    by Villabolo on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 03:07:24 PM PDT

  •  Meanwhile, (0+ / 0-)

    Islamic nationalism, with a variety of takes on revivalism, modernism, traditionalism, westernism, anti-colonialism, and such, is near on always present and at the center of political thought in (a bit self-referential, but) Islamic nations.

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