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Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal speaking at the Republican Leadership Conference.
In an article posted online before Monday's Hobby Lobby ruling, BuzzFeed's McKay Coppins takes a look at how Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has tried to rebrand social conservatism as a battle for religious freedom, including this quote from Jindal:
I think it’s a very dangerous place if we go from being a society that was founded because of religious liberty, to a place where we become so intolerant of those who disagree with us that we try to either silence their views, or we try limit their views to where you can only have them for an hour on Sunday.
As Coppins says, Jindal's rhetoric is an effort to change the debate from one focused on the unpopular substance of socially conservative public policy—a debate his side will lose—into a debate about whether conservative views ought to be tolerated, a debate that he thinks is easier to win. Jindal, again:
My hope is that there may even be folks who disagree with me on the definition of marriage, or may disagree with me on some of the more traditional social issues, but will say it’s important in America that we stand for religious liberty.
And, according to Jindal, Hobby Lobby is exhibit number one of how the Obama White House "is an administration that has taken on religious liberties throughout our society." You can't blame Jindal for trying—after all, it's a lot easier to defend liberty than to defend abortion bans or allowing employers to interfere with personal medical decisions—but the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling exposes Jindal's rhetoric as the bamboozling spin that it is, because in order to justify its decision, the court decided to declare Hobby Lobby—a chain with billions in revenue and more than 23,000 employees—was in fact a person.

Far from defending religious liberty, the ruling, and those who sought it, twisted religious liberty into a weapon designed to restrict the freedom of women—who, unlike Hobby Lobby, actually are people—to make their own medical decisions. And that means the next time Jindal and other conservatives talk about religious liberty, it will be clear for all to see that they are pushing for the exact same stuff they've been pushing for all along, just with different words.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:10 PM PDT.

Also republished by Louisiana Kossacks.

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  •  Discriminating against my right to tell you how to (20+ / 0-)

    live your life. Esp if youre a slu, er, woman, and especially especially in your, gulp, bedroom.

    Another proud Suthern tradition.

  •  The thing that conservatives don't get, although (14+ / 0-)

    they think they do, is that YOU are not more important than ME.  What you have is your influence, not your right.  You are only . . . equivalent.

    "The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.”" -- Paul Dirac

    by Rikon Snow on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:14:57 PM PDT

  •  Demigogues. (9+ / 0-)

    They are encouraging stochastic terrorism. That's what they want. There is no other explanation for that kind of rhetoric.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:17:13 PM PDT

  •  All this whining about 'their religious freedom" (17+ / 0-)

    IS essentially bullying and this decision green-lights further bullying.

    And they took away a safety zone to further encourage bullying at clinics.

    Taken together, it appears bullying is being encouraged.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:19:32 PM PDT

  •  Your liberty to impose your ... (16+ / 0-)

    religious beliefs on me is not constitutionally protected speech.


    My life is in total anarchy. I’ve lost all respect for my own authoritarianism.

    by glb3 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:19:48 PM PDT

    •  I'm still dumb-founded (3+ / 0-)
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      DrTerwilliker, a2nite, tokenlib

      This idea that corporations can have religious beliefs is just stunning to me. It is such an absurd notion. We have republican Supreme Court justices that are insane. I'm seriously thinking of incorporating and always acting as an agent of my corporation so I can never be personally held liable for anything. Being a corporation confers all the rights of a person, but none of the responsibilities. It is only a matter of time before a corporation runs for office and this Supreme Court will rubber stamp their "right" to do so.

      +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

      by cybersaur on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 06:55:19 PM PDT

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  •  great- first i am severely depressed (2+ / 0-)
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    mchestnutjr, tokenlib

    over this SCOTUS ruling and all its implications. Now i get to think of bobby... you made my day-really, really depressing!

    i wish i drank. and drank a lot!

  •  He draws the line in the wrong place (16+ / 0-)

       If the government were trying to, say, force fundamentalist churches to recognize same-sex marriages within their own rites, then Jindal would have a point.

       But since nobody with any influence has ever advocated such a thing in America, he's just bullshitting.

       I've never heard of a marriage equality advocate try to deny straight people the right to marry. That's why we call it EQUALITY. The bigotry is all on the conservative end.

       Jindal's a typically dishonest conservative. May his political career decline as dramatically as his state's economy has.

       

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:21:15 PM PDT

  •  Oddly, the ad includes "9 People You Won't Believe (2+ / 0-)
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    Samer, ditsylilg

    Actually Exist."  And the article is about Bobby Jindal.

    Oh, yes.  I agree!  I agree!

    "The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.”" -- Paul Dirac

    by Rikon Snow on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:23:39 PM PDT

  •  They chose this hill to die on... (8+ / 0-)

    They are going to bring down religion along with their social conservative values.  By equating religion with unpopular social views, then they are turning off the youth of this country towards the idea of religion.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

    by RichM on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:24:57 PM PDT

  •  When evil rotten RW says (1+ / 0-)
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    jessbell911

    I hear free to oppress me, the freed. Liberty is for white men & their tokens& tools.

    The USA hates me & women & everyone who isn't an evil man.

    FUCK the USA.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:25:01 PM PDT

  •  If corporations are people (3+ / 0-)
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    ditsylilg, rosethornne, BenFranklin99

    then who gets the chair, or the drugs, for the General Motors ignition-switch killings?

  •  Intolerance (9+ / 0-)

    Do any of these politicians understand the english language? I doubt it. We are not intolerant of your crazy religious beliefs, believe whatever the hell you want, BUT STAY THE HELL OUT OF OUR LIVES. Their anti science, anti evolution misogynistic lunacy has gone far enough.

  •  Nobody not already a shit... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... gives a shit about BJ's views.

    Why, you have to be as dumb as the network Sunday "news" programs to actually solicit his dishonest shilling about anything at all.

    How stubbornly stupid, ignorant and insane are a majority of LA voters?  We have our proof.

    TX goes for evil in their "conservatism" but OK and LA can't reach so high and settle themselves in the reeking muck of stupidity.  It always smells bad and makes you sick, but you have your plastic Jesus.

  •  Someone needs to sit Bobby down... (7+ / 0-)

    ...and explain to him that he will never be President. They need to tell him that all chance of that died five years ago with his prime-time Kenneth the Page act in response to Obama.

  •  Religious "freedom" (9+ / 0-)

    Justices John G. Roberts Jr., Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy and Clarence Thomas need to be sent to Head Smashed in Buffalo Jump and encouraged to step very close to the edge of the crumbling cliff.
    I thought (in my ignorance as a resident alien) that the Supreme Court is supposed to judge whether or not an action fits within the Constitution.  My reading of religious freedom is that everyone is entitled to worship as they see fit (we won't go into the freedom not to worship at all, that's for another time).  Nowhere in the 45 words of the First Amendment do I see the right of religious beliefs to trump the laws of the land.  Nowhere in those 45words do I see the right to impose your religious beliefs on anyone else.
    When the Taliban or ISIS tries to do that, the US gets quite upset, but it's OK for Hobby Lobby.
    Time to re-write the Constitution!

  •  Thank you SCOTUS for D victory in 2016. (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:34:16 PM PDT

  •  he and all republicans believe in since beliefs (1+ / 0-)
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    Dog Chains

    with the sincerity shown by the size of the campaign contributions...

  •  Hindu ??? (0+ / 0-)

    Is not Bobby Jindel a Hindu?

  •  So happy to be an atheist. (3+ / 0-)
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    rosethornne, live1, cybersaur

    Once again, horrible actions in the name of god.

  •  The Right's version of 'religious liberty' is (4+ / 0-)

    they get every opportunity to change America into a theocracy. We have a conservative SCOTUS and recently a decision was handed down that allows women using abortion clinics to be accosted on the street by these fanatics, harassed and bullied into their way of thinking.

    And for anyone who posts anything that smacks of a liberal bent, you will attract these Wing-nuts like blow-flies to dead meat. I post on Disqus and it is not uncommon to have two or three of them attacking on all sides. I was told over the last several days that I am a purveyor of "black lies" and that "Satan" is going to get me, and that I should "thank God that I was born into a country founded on Christianity."

    Jindal wants to climb the political ladder and he's going to do anything his handlers tell him to do. They want to take us over with their brand of fundamentalism so they have total control over all of our freedoms; this is really the end game; it's a power struggle.

    Sadly, there are too many people who just don't get what a certain faction of our country is up to, and if they don't ever wake up (and soon) the whole place is going to turn into some country like Somalia or Iran (with their Ayatollah fundamentalist rule) or any other totalitarian (regime) country.

    It would be a hard pill to swallow because most of us Americans love our freedoms.

  •  Hey, what could possibly go wrong in a country ... (4+ / 0-)
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    sfbob, rosethornne, cybersaur, a2nite

    Hey, what could possibly go wrong in a country that treats corporations as people when it comes to rights but then conveniently ignores their personhood when it comes to responsibilities and consequences? With tort reform already engrained, class actions starting to be quashed, Unions non existent now days, we will have freedom from freedom, but at least it will not be an elected by us government that controls the strings, it will be unelected corporations that can kill without risking the bottom line.

  •  Hobby Lobby (3+ / 0-)

    While another dangerous precedent [opening the door to other discrimination by corporations] by the activist Roberts Court, may be the net effect will be positive.

    Once again in these midterms, the Right may overcome their permanent & Shrinking minority status with a substantial enthusiasm gap.  Today's ruling will spark action by the anti-Right.  Perhaps closing the gap.

  •  How does (2+ / 0-)
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    sfbob, rosethornne

    this son of immigrants from a country with a very different religious and cultural background become such an intolerant little prick?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:51:42 PM PDT

  •  What I do not get is why people didn't (1+ / 0-)
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    understand that when he said it.

    I did.  I understood it.

    Also totally don't get why there are so many people here today who say that it was a "limited" decision.

    On so many levels it is a decision that leaves the barn doors open wide.

    Whose going to test people on their piety when they decide to opt out of providing women full healthcare coverage?  Who?

    Liberals and honest people just can't seem to keep up with the right and their legion of hucksters.  ALWAYS behind the curve.  Never able to really see down the road and understand what the big picture end game is.

    Boycotts will not solve this problem.  Packing the court would, but liberals and honest people don't really understand that that option would NOT be "overkill" given the profile of the opposition that they are facing.  No clue how in danger the democracy is - none.  

    Even people who think that this ruling is about women and nothing else really DO NOT get it.  It is much bigger than that with the Roberts Five on the bench.  The Supreme Court needs to go to 11 now.

  •  Jindal never condemn what goes on Burbon St. (0+ / 0-)

    As long as it bring dollars to Louisiana

  •  Religious liberty for Me, but not for Thee... (2+ / 0-)
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    rosethornne, cybersaur

    ...is what they actually mean.  What they intend is to shove their particular brand of religion down the throats of everyone else--even if those others have completely different beliefs.  

    Hopefully they will sooner rather than later find out why this is is a very bad idea--one that will eventually come back to bite them.  

  •  90% of the hobby lobby crap that they sell in t... (3+ / 0-)
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    rosethornne, cybersaur, a2nite

    90% of the hobby lobby crap that they sell in their store is made in china..where is the moral outrage of buying from a society then enforces forced sterilization. When the almighty dollar is involved it is fascinating to see how quickly our moral imperativs are rationalized away.

  •  What would Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley's (2+ / 0-)
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    ceiling be as Americans from communities of color in a country completely re-set to a white Tea Party conservative's notion of the optimal American civilization? What would their prospects be for justice when the man came around for them and did them dirty or wrong in Sam Alito's dream America? One where the most open angry white resentful evangelical nationalist rule is possible in the most overt sense, and the extremists are no longer required to ever use dog whistles or to incrementally nibble around the margins of what they truly want to avoid the blowback of being labeled what they are. No consequences for being a bigot. Being a bigot is a mark of pride, the restored shadow confederacy that is the new American way.

    What is possible for a Bobby Jindal to achieve in a Ted Nugent's kingdom?

    How would a new Jim Crow for Jesus and Milton Friedman treat Jindal or Haley? Ben Carson or Allen West? Mia Love or wanna-be Malkin Ms. Stacy Dash?  

    Do they imagine they can buy their way out?

    Be so useful that they beard their way out?

    A Frankenstein's monster of Jim Crow wedded to modern Movement Conservatism and prosperity doctrine and golden rule for me but not for thee evangelical Christian conservatism where those the most fixated on culling heretics and potential rivals for the throne over Constitutional guarantees and checks and balances have the final say in what is possible and what is not in American life?

    While Jindal fights for an America where you are free to be an evangelical Christian conservative, or be at their mercy or whim, I wonder about this.

    I am gobsmacked. By both conservatives of color and gay conservatives, in general. But some of these individuals are more bewildering than others.

    I think it’s a very dangerous place if we go from being a society that was founded because of religious liberty, to a place where we become so intolerant of those who disagree with us that we try to either silence their views, or we try limit their views to where you can only have them for an hour on Sunday.
    My corporation decides, because my corporation is no different than my pastor. They are both people. They are both saved by Jesus. The very generous Rightwing Thinktank that provides me with a lot of my funding and who also provides me with these nice talking points said so.  

    There are these absurdities, idiocies, but there is also the recurring delusions of inclusion and diversity being the fruits of exclusion and the tyranny of the powerful that I just can't get over.

    I hear that in Ben Carson's rantings. I hear it in Allen West's. There is a kind of faction-wide serial delusion that they would be flying above the consequences, or they are the most delusional human beings who have ever existed.

    In Sam Alito's dream America?

    I sincerely doubt Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley would be Governors in that world. They might find themselves forced to sit on the back of a natural gas powered bus (from the lovely oil and gas fracking folks who would enjoy being able to openly directly decide every environmental policy is), and like it. Or else. 'It's okay, because I would be exempt, I would get mine'.

    I wonder if Bobby Jindal gets that Bull Connor would not be his friend and mentor because he converted to Christianity and he votes the right way. Because he plays nice with white bigots, billionaires, and reactionaries. Because he will defend and deflect charges of racism from a racist party.

    I can't fathom the epic heights of perpetual delusion that would be required to allow you to not see what is staring you, and everybody else, right in the face.

    Every single time I hear a conservative of color go on some tear as if Movement Conservatism and white resentful nationalism is color-blind, or as if evangelical Christian conservatives do not have agendas that would have dire consequences to those who were non-white and non-Christian or non-conservative because schools in their communities are named after Martin Luther King I wonder what kind of intellectual gymnastics they have to do to come to the conclusion that this would work out for them.

    What happens to Bobby Jindal in Sam Alito's America when he is blatantly discriminated against because of the color of his skin or because of where his ancestors came from? When David Duke won't hire him, or won't rent him an apartment or sell him a house, or pays people of color half of what he pays white people like him? What happens when a Wayne Bundy white Christian conservative "doesn't believe him" when he says he is what he is and believes what he believes and bars him at the door. No. You shall not pass.

    Does Bobby Jindal imagine that Judge Roy Moore is going to punish those who look at him and say "Hell no I won't hire that/rent to that fake-American. Not for a damned thing. You can't trust those people, why, look at him, he's a Muslim (I'm expecting "he's a Hindu" to be the back-up boogeyman to the default boogeyman of the American Right), and I won't give that sum bitch a job no way no how in my town!"

    Watching people who would be in dire peril if their ideological cult had all their hopes and dreams come true essentially volunteering to slit their own throats longterm is a truly bizarre sideshow.

    "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

    by LeftHandedMan on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 04:33:17 PM PDT

  •  Culture Wars (1+ / 0-)
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    Didn't someone at Dkos write a blog a few months ago that the culture wars were over and that our side should claim victory. What happened?

  •  Bobby's opinion of the Hobby Lobby decision and... (2+ / 0-)
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    Bobby's opinion of the Hobby Lobby decision and Obama's attack on religious freedom can be added to the "silly list"' where he states such things as: the existence of Nessie (yes, the monster) proves that evolution is not a fact; that a Japanese fishing boat caught a dinosaur, and that the KKK's not ALL bad.

    I've been teasing a friend who lives in Wisconsin about Gov Walker. I owe her an apology; or maybe I should shout "did you hear what Bobby said today? That beats that little criminal thing! I win!".

  •  Jindal is awalking,talking joke (1+ / 0-)
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    Religious Conformity brought to you by Republicons,Libratarians,tea bagger,Evangelicals,and Fundamentalists.

  •  Feral Right Wing Justices (0+ / 0-)

    Shows their disrespect for women every time.  There sure is no Justice in the male Supreme Court.  They allow too many  personal ideas to cloud the fairness that they are supposed to bring to our justice system,oh wait,I forgot it's the money from the Kochs that cloud their decisions.  Thomas should never be allowed to vote,he doesn't speak and his wife Gintea bag is so politically active in right wing politics that his judgment is clouded by her ideas.  Ginni Thomas ain't no lady but Anita Hill has more class in her little pinky.   Guess time proved that she was telling the truth.  Bobble head Alito isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer either.  Dubya sure knew how to pick them.  Thanks to him we have Supreme leader Thomas and Alito.  

  •  Not surprisingly, (0+ / 0-)

    Bobby Jindal misses the point entirely...
    (Most likely intentionally)...
    The Religious Liberty of which he speaks, is the freedom for all citizens too go through their daily lives, (in the workplace, with governmental services, in their health care, and children's eductions), without a shred of religion impacting them...
    Not his lame definition that people should be 'free' to disagree with him, (or anyone else).  

  •  Liberty for me, but not for thee.... (0+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately for the rest of us, the gopt have been able to create a monster out of the straw man of 'religious liberty'. The President, the ACA, or progressives have not done anything to affect religious liberty is any way, shape, or form.  

    No one has been forced to believe anything different that what they believed before, no one has been restricted as to how, who or what they worship, no one has been restricted or controlled on how they practice their beliefs.

    So what liberty has been restricted? The only 'liberty', and I use that term loosely here, that has been challenged, is that of one person or group to force their beliefs, or the consequences of their beliefs, on others.   Another case where the GOTP scream about something being done to them that they are blatantly doing to others. (Do unto others before they do unto you??)

    Jindal, "...where we become so intolerant of those who disagree with us that we try to either silence their views, or we try limit their views to where you can only have them for an hour on Sunday."

    But isn't that exactly what the GOPT are doing to others? By demanding that the US be declared a 'Christian' country, is that not forcing their religious beliefs on others not Christian? Demanding christian prayers at school, meetings, etc, is that not forcing their religious beliefs on others of different religions?  (Can you imagine the outrage if someone  said a prayer to Allah or Jehovah?) How about defining all women who use contraception as just wanting gratuitous and responsible free sex?  How about restricting how and on what an employee can use their health care benefits on to only what the employer's religious beliefs approves of?

    So as far as I can tell, the only religious liberties that are being threatened are those of others by the GOPT.

    The power of willful ignorance cannot be overstated. (Marketing dictum)

    by NWGuy on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 05:49:28 PM PDT

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