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With human beings, it's pretty easy to tell if they're "sincerely" religious:  Do they observe the appropriate holy days and days of rest in the proscribed manner?  Do they tithe, if it's required?  Do they adopt the appropriate type of dress, if it's required?  Do they embrace or avoid particular food, drink and behavior, as proscribed by their avowed system of beliefs?  Have they gone through rituals required to demonstrate sincere belief in their particular religion?

But here's the question....  How does a corporation or business--which is a legal entity that only exists on paper--demonstrate that they have "sincerely" held religious beliefs?  I have yet to hear of a corporation being baptized, confirmed, given communion, or married.  Likewise, I haven't ever heard of a corporation or company being circumcised, or standing shiva.  Somehow, I also doubt that any corporation or company (mind you, they only exist as a piece of paper) has ever prayed toward Mecca. might a piece of paper demonstrate a "sincerely held" belief?

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    You think it's hot? Imagine what it would be like if global warming really existed!

    by JSc on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 05:34:33 PM PDT

  •  Its Rich Owner's Lawyer Files the Appropriate (4+ / 0-)

    forms and depositions on its behalf.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 05:42:57 PM PDT

  •  The premise of the decision (4+ / 0-)

    Is that "protecting the free-exercise rights of closely held corporations thus protects the religious liberty of the humans who own and control them."  The Court holds that it is wrong to force people to chose between religious freedom and the benefits of incorporation.

  •  This evil decision is a Pandora's box (5+ / 0-)

    Just wait.  Good news--ithe decision looks like it is statutory rather than constitutional grounds, so precedent may be weak, and a Dem majority in House and Senate may ultimately unwind the statute.

  •  Hobby Lobby Invests In Plan B..... (4+ / 0-)

    & intrauterine devices in their $73 MILLION dollar retirement packages for their employees.  They have chosen to include Teva Pharmaceuticals in their retirement packages.  Teva makes Plan B.

    Interesting that our "esteemed" Supreme Court has no problem w/ Hobby Lobby paying for Viagra & vasectomies.  Nothing related to the male employees of Hobby Lobby was stricken.  

    More evidence of the war on women?  

  •  As someone who was raised Christian (2+ / 0-)
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    Older and Wiser Now, blueoasis

    (Catholic, actually, which itself is pretty funny since these right wing religious kooks have as much respect for Catholics as they do for Muslims...anyway...)

    I have attended Church services.  And I can honestly say that I have never once seen a corporation in the pews.

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will."—Frederick Douglass

    by costello7 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 06:15:50 PM PDT

    •  I should amend that in recognition (3+ / 0-)

      that the one true religion of ALL corporations AND their money.  Nothing more, nothing less.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will."—Frederick Douglass

      by costello7 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 06:17:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  All five of the 'right wing religious kooks' on (2+ / 0-)
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      on the Supreme Court are Roman catholics. Protestant fundamentalists used to be more liberal about birth control and abortion in the 70s and 80s. They have adopted Roman theology about women's reproductive choice, not the other way around.

      Roe v Wade created a really unholy alliance against women.

    •  Raised Lutheran and Catholic... (1+ / 0-)
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      Older and Wiser Now

      Mom and Dad were Lutheran, Grandma was Catholic.  After Mom and Dad split, I spent plenty of time with Grandma during Catholic Mass.

      The up-and-down of Mass was odd since I was initially raised Lutheran, but I got that "this is what is done to show respect".

      You think it's hot? Imagine what it would be like if global warming really existed!

      by JSc on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 06:55:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A new addition to small talk at parties (5+ / 0-)

    What religion is your company?  

    And here I thought they all worshiped the same (though I bet that even at Hobby Lobby if there was a conflict between doing the Christ-like thing and losing money that money would still trump god.  Isn't that why they still hold investments in companies that make the very contraception they don't want to cover?

  •  As an aside... (3+ / 0-)

    I must admit that I respect Chick-fil-a's consistency.  They're homophobic as all heck, of course, but they also close their stores on Sunday.  In the context of my original post, I think it's reasonable to imagine that Christianity might (NOTE: MIGHT, barring further discussion) happen to be that particular corporation's ethic.

    Do I agree with it?  Nope.  However, I do give them credit for consistency.

    You think it's hot? Imagine what it would be like if global warming really existed!

    by JSc on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 07:03:47 PM PDT

    •  Hobby Lobby also closes on Sunday (2+ / 0-)

      Maybe that's why SCOTUS believes them to be "sincere."

      BTW, I discovered that the first time I visited a Hobby Lobby and I got a hinky feeling. But I said to myself that I was being biased against them for closing on Sundays. So I did go later a few times when I needed some items that I didn't want to have shipped during the summer heat or were hard to find even online. Until I learned that they had no qualms about using their biases to inconvenience their employees and challenge a President that they disrespect. That hinky feeling returned, so I haven't.

  •  Who would have thought? (3+ / 0-)
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    An ideologically divided Supreme Court ruled today that "closely held" for-profit corporations did not have to provide their employees with contraception coverage if the corporations had religious objections. Crucially, the court's five conservatives did not base their rationale on the First Amendment's protection of religious freedoms, but on a 1993 law known as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The law passed with overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate, and was signed by Bill Clinton.
    "What this law basically says," President Bill Clinton said before signing the bill, "is that the government should be held to a very high level of proof before it interferes with someone's free exercise of religion." [The New York Times]
  •  Hobby Lobby is closed on Sundays (0+ / 0-)

    likely costing them millions in sales.  That seems pretty sincere to me.

    Moreover, because we don't want courts looking too deeply into religion, the beliefs are looked at separately.

    •  Yeah, but they make that up in other ways (0+ / 0-)

      Most of their product line is made in China, who has anything but a fetus-friendly public policy. And they invest in companies that produce medical products to which they apparently object. So would it be judged by whether dollars lost by closing exceed dollars gained through cheap manufacturing and capital gains?

  •  What we need now (0+ / 0-)

    is an Act of Congress creating a 'Sincerity Board' to decide, once and for all, which arm-waving evangelofascists are "sincere" in their confabulated imaginings... and which are just wingin' it.


    Yeah... that's the ticket!

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