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  •  US is hosting Copa America 2106 (3+ / 0-)
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    TerryDarc, wader, Risen Tree

    merging CONCACAF and CONMEBOL together and having a hemisphere-wide tourney every fours years as big as the Euros one is a start

  •  No comment! (3+ / 0-)
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    aaraujo, TerryDarc, YankInUK

    Cause I have nothing nice to say about this one. :)

    El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. The people united will never be defeated

    by mint julep on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:03:42 AM PDT

  •  Soccer is is another sign of a changing nation (5+ / 0-)
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    wader, ichibon, flowerfarmer, AoT, BYw

    Just as the acceptance of marriage equality and marijuana - there has always been a rising tide until it hits a critical tipping point and the flood waters come rushing in.

    Some old radio guys late last night were worried about soccer because the "young kids" just aren't into baseball anymore and with the MLS schedule that it could replace baseball as the go-to summer sport.

    Soccer is considered "foreign" and that scares off may xenophobes.

    •  That Could Give An Optimum Decade Or Two... (1+ / 0-)
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      aaraujo

      ...in which the old incumbent sports are too weakened to shake down cities for billionaire-toy stadiums, until the newcomer settles in and becomes similarly fat, happy, and corrupted.

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      by stevemb on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:24:49 AM PDT

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      •  FIFA wants a bigger cut of the pie (0+ / 0-)

        of the US sports market and it will get it.  FIFA is bigger and stronger than the NFL, MLB and NBA combined.

      •  They already have this (0+ / 0-)

        They already have the power to entice an entire country to spend billions it doesn't have to build stadium and facilities to host a one-time event. Can't afford to feed everybody. Certainly can't afford adequate health care. But we can come up with tax breaks and other bribes to build a football stadium. Sports, the new opiate of the masses.
        Past time to put sports into proper perspective. It's a friggin' GAME, people!

        "To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence." - Mark Twain

        by CaptainAnalog on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 10:27:33 AM PDT

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    •  Like Ann Coulter... (0+ / 0-)

      and that idiot on Fox News who called the World Cup part of a "conspiracy" and was called out on it by Fox commentators, some of whom had kids who play soccer!

      "Rights and freedoms: Use 'em or lose 'em." - Carl Sagan

      by lonelybamadem on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 12:52:09 PM PDT

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    •  No (0+ / 0-)

      Soccer is stupefyingly boring to anyone with taste.

      May I suggest drying paint for better thrills?  It was fun to play, but painful to watch.

  •  Don't know -- the widening goals actually sounds (1+ / 0-)
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    interesting.

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    by dinotrac on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:15:00 AM PDT

    •  Agreed! (3+ / 0-)

      Too many 0-0 games, and games decided by penalty kicks are just...lame.  A little more scoring would be a good thing.  Although they should probably widen it by a meter, not a yard.

      I also like the lightning round idea.  Silly, of course, but what fun!

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      by Russycle on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 09:41:59 AM PDT

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      •  While I don't mind the 0-0 games (1+ / 0-)
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        I hate the shoot-outs. Go to sudden death OT, but, realizing that both teams are exhausted from playing a 90 minute (or 120 minute) game with minimal substitutions, in the OT allow unlimited substitutions, and players can come back after having been on the bench for a while.

        Shoot-outs suck, in soccer and in hockey.

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        by HugoDog on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:13:30 PM PDT

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  •  Spot on: like the low-information "scientists" (5+ / 0-)

    of old, too many of our citizens assume that all of existence revolves around our country - which is why GOD "blesses" us, I suppose.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:15:07 AM PDT

  •  Would like to see 6 balls in play. (0+ / 0-)

                            ;-)

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    by boran2 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:22:58 AM PDT

  •  People who think (5+ / 0-)
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    aaraujo, flowerfarmer, Krotor, AoT, meinoregon

    that soccer is boring, should take another look at the boring-ass sport called baseball. Hell, I've been to a dozen games, including a 1-0 playoff game. The only thing that makes baseball watchable, in person, was the beer I was able to drink on my company's expense account.

    •  MLB games, for clarification (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Yep. You got it! (3+ / 0-)
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      That's why we call it the "National pass time" rather than the national sport.

      It doesn't pretend not to be dull. That way, it doesn't interfere with your drinking.

      And yes, I love baseball.

      But I love hockey even more (notice my user name?). I call it "Soccer speeded up to non-boringness".

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      by pucklady on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:43:15 AM PDT

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      •  Hi pucklady (1+ / 0-)
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        Unless you're from Toronto, I'll bet you will like this 10 minute video. https://www.nfb.ca/...

        "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society, including the chance to insure" - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Compania General De Tabacos De Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 275 U.S. 87, 100, dissenting; opinion

        by HugoDog on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:16:51 PM PDT

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      •  Hi pucklady (1+ / 0-)
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        Unless you're from Toronto, I suspect you'll enjoy this 10 minute animated video.
        https://www.nfb.ca/...

        "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society, including the chance to insure" - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Compania General De Tabacos De Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 275 U.S. 87, 100, dissenting; opinion

        by HugoDog on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:21:21 PM PDT

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      •  I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out. /nt (2+ / 0-)
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        by polecat on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:34:53 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah. In any other team sport, throwing a punch (0+ / 0-)

          gets you ejected from the rest of the game (or the rest of the season in college sports) plus a fine, and could potentially result in assault charges. Why is hockey any different? I stopped going to Rochester Rockets hockey games because there were even more fights in the stands than on the ice. I was afraid that I might step on somebody's toe on my way back from the concession stand and end up getting punched out (I saw it happen more than once).

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          by storeysound on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 09:54:47 AM PDT

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    •  I love baseball (3+ / 0-)
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      But I don't argue with people who think it is boring -- one can't deny it is a slow game. I was raised playing and watching it. It is a part of who I am. Certainly, though, half the fun of a live game is beer, hot dogs, being out in the sun with friends on a Sunday afternoon, trying to catch foul balls, listening to funny people in the crowd razz the players, etc. My personal favorite: "Your batting average is a rounding error!"

      Now, American football: that, to me, is like watching paint dry. Combine a corporate/military structure on the field with the fact that the majority of the game is watching the players talk about what they're going to do -- oh man is it boring.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:55:47 AM PDT

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      •  I love baseball, too... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but it didn't happen until I got a bit older and was willing to sit down and WATCH what was developing on the field.
        People who rail against baseball are actually afraid to admit that they don't understand the game.
        And I don't care...it's their loss.

    •  you started it (2+ / 0-)
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      Ok, I've been watching the World Cup, and like millions of other Americans, I'm watching it BECAUSE it's the World Cup, and IN SPITE of the fact that it's a soccer tournament, just like I watched the Kentucky Derby in spite of the fact that it was a horse race, like I sometimes watch the Masters in spite of the fact that it's golf.

      Every four years the World Cup rolls around, and because it has recently joined those two events I just mentioned in the annals of "Mainstream American Sporting Events" soccerheads all over the country start talking about soccer's impending takeover, which is annoying, but ok, whatever.

      But how come every soccer fan in this country feels the need to shit talk baseball?

      You want to talk about boring? How about Nil-nil? Otherwise known as a 2-hour waste of time. Seriously, I would love for a single soccer fan to explain to me the material difference between a 0-0 draw and the referee walking out into an empty stadium, placing the ball on the ground in the middle of the field, looking at his watch for 90 minutes, and then picking the ball up and going home. Throw in a yellow card here and there, and you've got a pretty good recreation of, what, like half the soccer games ever played?

      And of course, half the time there is a goal scored, it's waved for offside, and half the time its waved off, it turns out to be an incorrect call, and then the announcers start talking about the missed call as if they had never seen it happen before. And since every match is determined by one goal, what you have is a situation where the referee and his assistants wind up determining the outcome of the game by what they do or do not see. And this happens over, and over, and over again.

      And I haven't even gotten to the part where the whiny Europeans throw themselves all over the field, screaming in contrived agony every time a player from the other team steps within 3 feet of them.

      Do they seriously not teach sportsmanship in every other country on Earth? How does guys take themselves seriously as men? When your strategy is to try and get the other guy kicked out of the game for a foul he didn't commit?

      That's cowardice, pure and simple. Or, as soccer fans call it, "football".

      I'm going to a Cape League game tonight in Chatham. It's going to be paradise. They'll be great weather, impeccably located breaking pitches, hot dogs, big at bats with runners in scoring position, and at least one defensive play that will make we want to stand up and cheer. And no diving, dumbass offsides rules, or suck ass soccer fans who can't build their own sport up without tearing someone else's down.

      Enjoy "Sporting Kansas City vs. FC Dallas" whatever the fuck that means.

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      by GrimReefa on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:29:46 AM PDT

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      •  Copa America 2016! (0+ / 0-)

        Wait for it

      •  I do not get why people who hate soccer (2+ / 0-)
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        are so bitter about it. Like the very existence of soccer offends them.

        I hate American football but somehow manage to avoid injecting that opinion into every single discussion of the sport. But not a day goes by that I don't see someone on Facebook or somewhere making comments like yours -- I hate soccer and this is why you all need to know my special little opinion on it.

        "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

        by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 10:15:35 AM PDT

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        •  I think it's because Americans resent (1+ / 0-)
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          feeling left out of something the rest of the world values.

          How dare they find entertaining something we don't!  They're supposed to follow our lead!  How dare they think independently of us!

          If we don't value it ... clearly it is of no value!

          •  You are exactly right (1+ / 0-)
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            I think you're right. I think that is evident in a lot of these comments bashing soccer, or making suggestions on how to make it more entertaining to the American eye, as if the literally billions of fans around the world no longer count.

            "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

            by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 05:36:04 PM PDT

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      •  Why sh*t talk baseball? I don't really do that.... (0+ / 0-)

        Why sh*t talk baseball? I don't really do that. I won't deny that I don't like it. Full disclosure I grew up a Dodger fan and still consider myself one (Padres and A's too). But will I ever watch a game of baseball on tv? Never. Probably for the same reason you won't watch a soccer game on tv. You think soccer is boring. I think baseball is boring.

        Here's the difference. In my view, soccer is constant action. There are no breaks except for throw-ins, goal kicks or, as you mentioned - the diving that occurs. But play never stops. In baseball - pitchers are constantly exceeding the time limit to throw a pitch (even though it's never enforced), batters constantly step out of the batters box, adjust their gloves, adjust their helmets - on EVERY pitch. This slows the game down so much that it takes at least 3 1/2 hours to finish a game. This is killing your sport. A game that should not take more than 2 1/2 hours to play is so long now - a kid who goes to a game at 7pm - can't stay awake for the finish! This is one of the reasons soccer is gaining in popularity. We can argue about changing demographics of the country but IMO, it has to do with how kids view the athletes, their attention span, and whether the kid who plays youth sports has a chance to play at a different level.

        So, while I don't hate baseball, I won't watch it on tv. I go to a few minor league games a year (Fresno Grizzlies), but I won't take the kids because they will want to leave after 5 innings because they can't take it. To them - they think it's boring. And they have played tball, rookies and minor league ball - before they asked if they could stop and play soccer exclusively. My two cents

        •  I have come to appreciate soccer, but I think (0+ / 0-)

          that what baffles much of the American audience (myself included) is when a team seems determined not to attack and try to score. "Let's cross midfield and then kick the ball back to our side! That'll show 'em!" Running around and exerting yourself for 90 minutes without seeming to seriously press an attack just doesn't make much sense. And to end a 90-minute game in a scoreless tie is even more baffling.

          I also came to appreciate baseball rather late in life, growing up in cities that didn't have major-league sports of any sort and my dad not being a baseball fan, so we never watched it on TV. The turnaround for me was after I got divorced. I shared a house with a guy who grew up in Queens as a Yankees fan, and loved baseball. We didn't have cable so he couldn't watch Yankees games regularly, but being in Atlanta he could watch a Braves game on TBS pretty much every day. I started watching too, and it turned out to be the Braves "Worst-to-First" season, with a stellar pitching staff (arguably one of the best ever), and then I got it.

          I do have to agree, however, with your observations about how the game has gotten slower and slower with the batters' between-pitch rituals. And it sucks to go to a game that goes into extra innings because the concessions tend to close during the 8th, and you can be languishing in the stands for quite a while with nothing to eat or drink, which can be difficult when it's in the 90's or over, and there's no shade.

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          by storeysound on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 10:11:15 AM PDT

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      •  Errr . . . (0+ / 0-)

        . . . why does one side have to win? Do you go to the opera and complain that the singers perform equally well?

    •  Baseball & soccer fans complaining about (1+ / 0-)
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      the other sport should stop arguing.

      You're both right.

    •  Doesn't help the argument (0+ / 0-)

      That in order to elevate one sport you feel the need to bash another.
      Different strokes my friend...

    •  Softball (1+ / 0-)
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      is way more fun to watch. Professional baseball is mostly an almost superhuman pitcher striking everyone out for a few hours and then you go home. Community softball is actually an active game. People hit, people run, people throw and catch, people score. It's much more exciting to see a 23-21 softball game than a 1-0 snooze-a-thon of baseball.

    •  Hence the "7th Inning Stretch" to get a little (0+ / 0-)

      circulation going.

      I was never a fan of something being thrown at my head at high speed, anyway.

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      by polecat on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:34:22 PM PDT

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  •  How I would fix soccer. (1+ / 0-)
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    1 - put up a visible clock. This "extra time" stuff is crap. How much more exciting would it be if you actually knew how many seconds there were remaining?

    2 - have time-outs.

    Those are no-brainers.

    To really get the job done, I'd add these:

    3 - unlimited player substitutions.

    4 - shrink the playing field size so there isn't so much mindless running around with no chance to score.

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    by pucklady on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:40:43 AM PDT

    •  It's a strange form of American exceptionalism, (7+ / 0-)

      aptly satirized in this comic, that insists that a sport that has, literally, billions of fans around the world, needs to be "fixed" in order to suit American tastes.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:52:51 AM PDT

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      •  OK, I'll try to be reasonable here (1+ / 0-)
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        LLC, I agree with where you and those in your corner are coming from on this page. As one of them, I believe it's true that Americans, in general, rarely look past their own borders, expect foreigners to speak English when they visit other countries(!), think America's way is always the best way, can't stand the thought of being subpar or agreeing that anything should be shared with everyone, just want to keep up with most games by checking the score on our iPhones or from the kitchen (or both), are crass enough to call our local baseball championship the "World Series", and prefer coffee over tea.

        I agree that whatever-we-can-agree-to-call-it, does not need a shorter field (we have our own indoor variety anyway), larger goals, elimination of the offside rules, timeouts, unlimited substitutions (no offence, pucklady) and does not need to be "more like" any other sport for any reason, much less to suit American tastes. I agree that this comic's satirization is correct and appropriate. I get that most of the enjoyment of watching it is not in the score but in the "almost goals", the ball control, the spontaneous (but practiced) organization of attack and defense, and that since scoring is more rare that fact heightens the emotions when it actually happens. I also get that evolving an international sport will be more slow/rare than semi-annually changing the rules completely within one's own country, as most of the baseball, football, and basketball references suggest here.

        But I have some honest, serious questions, because I truly don't understand some things.
        1) Do literally billions of fans around the world truly enjoy when one team wins only because one player is a better actor and successfully fooled a ref close to the goal?
        2) Do the fans like it when their favorite or best player can't play the next game, and/or they have to play out this game with less players, because the "great actor" feigned their foul near that person?
        3) Do they feel satisfied that the better team won (though not guaranteed in any sport) because a goalkeeper guessed the wrong way once during a shoot-out?

        I can't wrap my mind around that, so I have trouble believing it to be true. I have no trouble believing that billions of sports fans love the sport and its players across the globe, or even why. But these things I don't get yet. I'd like to think that "futbol" fans everywhere are generally aghast and angry about these things and do not actually want to accept the specifics I ask about here. But I don't want to assume, since so many people seem to embrace the sport as it is today.

        So can you or anyone please explain how these things in particular are acceptable to billions of people? What is the mindset that allows these things to stand, and continue, and still call it a fairly won match, or a game where if one plays by the rules and has enough athletic talent they have a roughly equal chance at winning?
        /not-at-all-sarcastic-here

    •  ok, my turn (2+ / 0-)
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      I don't see the problem with extra time. The ref only ends the game after the last offensive possession ends. Why should a game have to be exactly some arbitrary number of seconds long?

      What would I do?

      Change the offsides rule to be more like hockey's. i.e., put two lines on the field about halfway between the endlines and midfield, which no offensive player may cross before the ball does. Soccer's offsides rule is unnecessarily complicated, hard as hell to officiate correctly (and a blown offsides call is always a major event - see the Bosnia/Nigeria game), and rewards defensive laziness.

      Make the goals bigger. Duh.

      Add a second referee, and have a 3-person review committee look at every carded play after the game, to rescind cards which were given out incorrectly and to look for and punish divers.

      I also agree with everything Keith Olbermann has to say here, although it's more about presentation and not actual gameplay.

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      by GrimReefa on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:02:01 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not actually complaining about having (0+ / 0-)

        extra time put on the clock. I just want the time remaining to be visible.

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        by pucklady on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:16:32 AM PDT

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    •  You left out "eliminate offside rule" from your... (4+ / 0-)

      classic litany of "no-brainer" soccer ignorance.  The rest of the world understands exactly why soccer doesn't need, and indeed would be spoiled by your list of alleged "improvements" to make it more like American sports.  The rest of the world isn't making silly demands that we change basketball or American football rules to be more like soccer, either.

      There IS a visilbe clock, BTW.  And the expected amount of stoppage time IS displayed at the end of regulation.  And the "last play" in American football, once underway, doesn't end at 0:00 either, but continues until the ball is down without a penalty committed by the defensive team.  The lack of time-outs reinforces that once the game starts, soccer is a game overwhelmingly controlled by spontaneous dynamic decisions of the players, and not by coaches (notice that NONE of the coaches or assistants of various teams at the WC are wearing headphones).

      You somehow thought that the Chile vs Brazil or Netherlands vs Mexico games were boring?  Or Belgium vs US?  That they somehow needed "improvement?"  Either learn enough about the world's overwhelmingly most popular sport or go back to your baseball or pointy football games, where you'll enjoy watching them much more.  And we won't begrudge you a bit for those being more to your taste.

      •  Yes, it needs fixing (0+ / 0-)

        We now have international baseball championships and if one of the participating nations has ideas for how to make the game better I have no problem listening to them.

        The absolute worst thing about international soccer is the way ties are handled. The rest of it is fiddling around the edges, but the whole point of a competition is to determine a winner by playing the game. Shootouts should therefore be eliminated from the World Cup, most especially in the final match.

        If neither team leads after the normal two periods of Extra Time, the teams should go into Sudden Death play with fifteen minute periods with a short break after each one. Open substitution should be allowed during the breaks so fresh players can come in. Play until a goal is scored. This mirrors the way Hockey overtime is played in the NHL playoffs and it's the most exciting sporting event to watch. If players can't go that long, start removing one from each side so more can rest. If you want a world title you should have to earn it.  

        As a side note I would really like to understand why a sport with so little scoring needs the offside rule. The NBA, which averages almost 200 points per game, used to have a silly rule disallowing certain defensive strategies. They got rid of it. Why does futbol need a rule to prevent the offense from doing what comes naturally?

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        by BeerNotWar on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 10:05:16 AM PDT

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        •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

          Baseball, American football, basketball and hockey make changes every year to make the games more interesting, or to cooperate with broadcast requirements. That's called evolving the sport.

          I have no problem with sports attempting to evolve, even when I disagree with the improvements. I think the shootout rule in hockey sucks, but if other people think it helps, that's okay with me.

          The point is, FIFA and soccer fans keep asking what is wrong with Americans that they don't appreciate our sport? Well, now you know why. FIFA, you have enough billions of fans, you don't need us.

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          by pucklady on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 10:19:22 AM PDT

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          •  Trust me, the rest of the world is just absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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            devastated beyond belief that they don't get the supreme privilege of sharing this sport with more Americans.

            Sometimes I think that Americans just cannot imagine that life goes on around the world without them. It is kind of like going to a Latin music concert and telling everyone that you would like the music so much more if only they would sing in English!

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            by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:35:25 PM PDT

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  •  Tienen que cambiar las reglas del futbol (1+ / 0-)
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    ¡Es casi imposible marcar! Corren alrededor del campo por una eternidad y nada occurre.

  •  Well, if you want actual fixes (1+ / 0-)
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    1. flops result in a power play - one minute off the for the offending player with no subs

    2. In tournament play, no penalty kick results.  Keep playing for golden goal. After the first 30 minutes, one player off from each team every ten minutes and continue.

    3. In the event of a tie at the end of a second 30 minute overtime, the result is decided by fisticuffs or light comedy.

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    by nightsweat on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:56:28 AM PDT

  •  Make the goal bigger. Americans will watch if t... (0+ / 0-)

    Make the goal bigger. Americans will watch if the scores rise into the low teens.

    •  IMHO, that would make it worse (1+ / 0-)
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      One of the things I hate about the NBA is that almost every possession ends in a score.  There's not much drama in that. Pure dullsville.

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      by HugoDog on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:23:32 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not talking about scores in the hundreds... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but scores from 5 to 15 would be a lot more interesting than 0-0 ties.

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        by Jimdotz on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 11:46:41 AM PDT

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  •  A true competitor acts fine when he/she is hurt. (0+ / 0-)

    A soccer player acts hurt when he/she is fine.

    A sport is only a sport if assault is an integral part of the game.
    If you wouldn't be arrested for doing it anywhere else, you aren't trying hard enough.

    Maybe if there was some aggression on the feild of play, there would be less aggression in the stands.

    With all that in mind here is my suggestion for soccer; point the cameras at the stands.
    Riots make for great TV.

  •  I have played college baseball, football, highs... (1+ / 0-)
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    I have played college baseball, football, highschool soccer and a soccer variant, speedball, where limited use of the hands is OK. That is a nuch less borng version. If you haven't played the games, I have no use for your views. A soccer fan criticized fooball because they stood around so much. I told him you max-out your body sixty times in a row and see how you feel. The thing I think odd about soccer is that evolution resulted in marvelously dextrous arms and hands - opposable thumbs! - and soccer rejects them.

    •  For me, the best thing about the game (0+ / 0-)

      is that it takes away the hands and makes perfect control of the ball physically impossible. That forces players to make split-second decisions that maximize the chance of scoring or minimize the risk of losing the ball. It's similar to hockey in that sense, where the puck is being controlled with a stick rather than held in the hands.

      I actually think use of the hands makes baseball and basketball less interesting: fielding in high-level baseball is too automatic and it's too hard to defend 1v1 in basketball.

  •  Want Americans to watch soccer? (2+ / 0-)
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    Make the American team suck less.

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    by TB Tabby on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 11:06:08 AM PDT

  •  The "eliteism" of soccer fans here is laughable (0+ / 0-)

    In America we have seen sports here evolve.  At one time in FOOTBALL, the forward pass was unthinkable, now it is an interval part of the game. Other sports have evolved too.  But mention changing soccer and look at the reactions.

    To suggest that soccer needs to evolve, people here act like creationists in their utter disdain at the mention of soccer needing to elvove.

    Something to ponder.

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    by Mannie on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 11:19:58 AM PDT

    •  over the years (0+ / 0-)

      soccer has changed. How do you think rugby came to be?  In the early days (according to this video) there were soccer games between towns where the "field" may have been 10 miles long. And, way far back, their were games using a person's head for a ball.

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      by HugoDog on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:29:30 PM PDT

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    •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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      It is a proven historical fact that soccer hasn't changed one iota since the day it was invented.

      Actually, a lot of soccer fans react with some distaste to all of these suggestions because Americans have a tendency to barge into any discussion of soccer with all of these ideas of how to make soccer more palatable to an American audience, when in fact the sport has, literally, billions of fans around the world and doesn't seem to suffer from any lack of popularity whatsoever. It doesn't mean that the sport is flawless. It just means that perhaps these billions of fans are not dying for American input.

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      by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 12:38:17 PM PDT

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    •  There have been changes to soccer (0+ / 0-)

      to speed up the game, including two in the 90s relating to goalkeepers. The six-second rule (not enforced enough IMO) replaced the four-step rule, and goalkeepers are no longer allowed to use their hands with balls passed to them from a teammate's foot or from a throw-in.

      Various soccer leagues have tried tweaks to the offside rule, supposedly to make it easier to score, but so far the changes have all been rejected after they did the exact opposite. Back in the 1970s, the old NASL tried calling offside only in the last 35 yards (as opposed to anywhere in the attacking half) and it ended up lowering scoring because defenders would sit farther back and participate less in the attack.

      •  Feeble attempt (0+ / 0-)

        If offsides only in the last 35 didn't work, they should have tried offsides only before the ball enters that area - or something else.  A 0-0 game, which there are plenty of in the World Cup, keeps the tension up for devoted fans of the teams but is not intrinsically entertaining, and maybe most important, makes real and fake fouls more important.  There are obviously ways to increase scoring - just increase the size of the goal until you get as much as you want - but soccer won't try them.

  •  The complaints about soccer being low-scoring (0+ / 0-)

    are excuses, plain and simple. Because of all the stoppages, NFL football is actually lower-scoring for the amount of time spent watching it. In 2013, the NFL averaged one score (touchdown or field goal) for every 47 minutes of actual time elapsed. In 2013-14, the English Premier League averaged one goal for every 39 minutes of actual time elapsed.

  •  TV time outs (0+ / 0-)

    TV timeouts are the only realistic idea. In fact, you can't have a sport in America without them - advertisers won't allow it.  If the networks and advertisers get behind this even FIFA won't be able to stand against it.

  •  Stupid (0+ / 0-)

    The ignorance of the cartoonist is appalling!

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    by lonelybamadem on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 12:49:43 PM PDT

  •  They've already made one major stride toward (1+ / 0-)
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    making soccer more popular in the US by changing the way it is televised. Matches used to be shot with a single static camera way up at the top of the stands, so the players were tiny, and the field looked immense. Over the past handful of years the coverage has become more "Americanized" with multiple cameras showing much closer shots of players so you can actually see who is doing what. We are used to the way American sports are shot - close to the action so we feel more connected to the players. Now that futbol is being presented similarly, I expect more people will find it interesting to watch - an important step in making it as popular in the US as it is in the rest of the world.

    Now if they could cut down on the rolling-around-on-the- ground-clutching-my-leg bit every time someone bumps into them, that would be a good thing. These guys are worse actors than NBA players trying to draw a foul.

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    by storeysound on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 09:45:21 AM PDT

  •  The best way to make soccer more popular (0+ / 0-)

    Rename Football to Sumoball and have them wear the traditional Sumo pants to re-orient the game's origin.

  •  What no commericals (0+ / 0-)

    45 minstes of no commericals and soccer could be America's newest sport craze...I don't think so. No "break on the field" means no air time.  Besides 30 days for big time soccer in the middle of a work day...did you see all the people NOT working and watching the game just because the American team was in the running. I stopped watching when they were eliminated. The rest of the world is on vacation for these thirty days, they have nothing better tio do.

  •  No BS (0+ / 0-)

    6 balls in the lighting round is genius!

    :)

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    by groupw on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 08:17:09 AM PDT

  •  stupid cartoon (0+ / 0-)

    IT ALREADY IS THE MOST POPULAR SPORT IN THE WORLD!!!

    •  yes and no (0+ / 0-)

      No: Not stupid. The cartoon is good at hyperbolizing how many Americans think we can change anything to make it better. (but not in how the sport could actually be changed! it's satire!)

      Yes: I concede it's the most popular sport (and I concede many other things in the linked comment), but can you or other uber-pro-footballers answer any of my legit questions here?

  •  What does soccer have to do for America to be t... (0+ / 0-)

    What does soccer have to do for America to be the most popular sport in the world. The answer is nothing ! Lol

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