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Back in March, this is what the Kaiser Family Foundation found in their monthly healthcare survey: people are really, really ready for Congress to stop fighting over Obamacare.

KFF poll results chart showing more of the public would like to see Congress keep the law in place and work to improve it (49 percent) or keep it as is (10 percent) rather than repeal it and replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative (11 percent) or repeal it outright (18 percent).
And now, four months and 20+ million new health insurance enrollees later, Republicans are wondering if running against Obamacare in 2014 is going to work for them.
Many Republican operatives still believe, despite the challenges, that Obamacare will be a prominent part of GOP campaigns come the fall. But candidates will have to calibrate their messages in new ways to reach a hardened audience. And perhaps more than anything else, they will need to offer voters plenty of other reasons to vote against the Democrats.

"We always felt it was an important issue, even the most important issue," said Tim Phillips, president of the conservative group Americans for Prosperity, which has spent tens of millions of dollars so far this cycle on anti-Obamacare ads. "But it clearly is not the only issue." […]

But Republicans, though mindful of the challenges, aren't ready to let Obamacare go, not yet. Phillips, for one, says the candidates and groups like his have to be sure to introduce new information about Obamacare when they talk about the issue. (AFP ran an ad against Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen in April criticizing the law for limiting the numbers of doctors patients can see, a line of attack largely ignored in most negative ads.) Others argue candidates must do more to demonstrate the real-world impact of the legislation.

Of course they're not ready to let Obamacare go. The entire tea party has been focused on nothing but Obamacare for five years. The Kochs have invested hundred of millions of dollars in it, and promise hundreds of millions more to back up the candidates who will keep spouting their approved message. And they'll keep coming up with those "real-world impact" ads that we've all had so much fun debunking these last few months.

Of course they're going to keep fighting on Obamacare. It's part of the Koch habit they can't shake.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 12:43 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (33+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 12:43:31 PM PDT

  •  Ask about components of the ACA, results differ (2+ / 0-)
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    Yonit, cocinero

    The Kaiser poll above finds that 31% of Republicans wish to repeal the law and not replace it. They would be OK with the per-ACA mess?

    Ask instead whether they wish to eliminate pre-existing condition exclusions and the 31% figure will likely be less.

  •  So let 'em (8+ / 0-)

    If they want to go down with that ship, I say hand then an anvil.  Because fuck them that's why.

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 12:51:09 PM PDT

    •  And, go down with the ship, they will. (4+ / 0-)

      It was pretty much crystal clear in late 2013 that if Republicans stayed tethered to this loser issue -- it would wipe them out in the mid-terms.

      Democrats are too timid and beaten down to see this -- but that's how it's going to roll.

      Conscious evolution is a human right. Demand your rights, today!

      by Pluto on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 01:07:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm not so sure. (2+ / 0-)
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        BenFranklin99, Pluto

        There was a time when Republicans roared and beat their chests and Democrats were intimidated by it.  Now?  they're beginning to see behind the veil at the frightened posturing all of that is, and they're variously amused and pissed off.  Mostly pissed off.

        There will be a reckoning, and Obamacare is only part of it.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 06:55:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  They don't have anything else since they were (1+ / 0-)
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    elected to destroy our government by defunding it & bashing it.

    They'll get elected again since they appeal to the ID.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 12:58:20 PM PDT

  •  ... much as they can't resist (2+ / 0-)
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    Yonit, anon004

    blatant voter suppression schemes (in a sea of virtually NO voter fraud), unaware that they look like trembling, cowardly children hiding behind mommy's skirts, bleating "It jus' ain't fair! They won't vote for us! It jus' ain't fair!"

    Voter suppression is the most cowardly, transparent form of political vandalism and its practitioners are oblivious to how they're disgracing and shaming themselves in full view.

    Guess they never covered that part in GOP strategy sessions...

  •  They really need rehab (4+ / 0-)

    to give up their coke -- excuse me, Koch -- habit.

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 03:30:09 PM PDT

  •  That'd be great if if reflected the voters. (1+ / 0-)
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    But in off-years, it's base turnout that matters. In an off year, whipping up their base by railing against the ACA makes sense for them.

    Satisfying their urge to evil is just a bonus for them.

    "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

    by nosleep4u on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 05:20:59 PM PDT

  •  Re: "Obamacare". (0+ / 0-)

    Obama is like Carrows Restaurant.

    Obama CARES for YOU.....

    ......cares even for Republican Trolls posting on Huffington Post.


    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 05:23:47 PM PDT

  •  59 v. 28 is not 'half', it is 2/3rd those w/opinio (0+ / 0-)

    n.  Perhaps 'reporters' and 'editors' should just report the actual story they write?

  •  Of course there is also the massive public (0+ / 0-)

    support for Boehner's lawsuit and the great enthusiasm for more water pollution through deregulation.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 05:42:10 PM PDT

    •  Now WI Senator Ron Johnson just filed a lawsuit (1+ / 0-)
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      against the ACA, in Federal Court, in Green Bay WI.  

      The following is per the Green Bay Press Gazette

      When Congress passed the Affordable Care Act, it resolved that members of Congress and staff should be treated the same way as most private citizens under the act, Johnson said.

      The Obama administration decided Congress members and staff members were eligible for a subsidy to pay for health insurance or that they could get coverage from one of the insurance exchanges set up for group policies to small businesses, the SHOP exchanges, Johnson said. But the federal government is not a small business and doesn't fit the definition as the Affordable Care Act requires, Johnson said.

      "Obama unilaterally changed the law," Johnson
      said. "That's not our constitutional system."

      As Johnson addressed reporters before the hearing, a passerby called out, "I need health care for my family and wish you'd stop messing around with it, senator."

      A couple dozen people attended the hearing, including Johnson, several of his staff members. But no one testified at the hearing.

      Griesbach gave U.S. Department of Justice lawyer James Luh and Johnson's lawyer, Richard Esenberg of the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, each several opportunities to put forth their arguments. Griesbach interjected several questions along the way.

          **Johnson claims Obama  administration giving Congress special privileges

            **Government moved to dismiss on grounds that senator suffered no harm

            **Judge will take arguments under advisement, issue decision later

      The issue before Griesbach is simply whether Johnson had personally suffered harm from the administrative rule, which is a necessary ingredient for him to have standing to bring the lawsuit.

      Luh argued the case should be dismissed because neither Johnson nor his co-plaintiff, staff member Brooke Erickson, had personally been harmed by the administrative rules.

      Esenberg argued that Congress intentionally sought to be treated the same as other Americans buying insurance on health care exchanges. When the administration offered members a subsidy, he said it forced them into a position of getting special treatment. That means Johnson loses credibility with his constituents if he or his staff members accept the benefit, Esenberg said.

      Johnson also was forced into a position of having to determine which of his staff members are covered by certain sections of the Affordable Care Act and which are not, and that administrative burden is a form of harm that gives him standing, Esenberg argued.

      Griesbach asked whether Johnson could avoid that task and avoid losing credibility with his constituents simply by refusing the benefit himself and letting staff members themselves decide whether to accept the benefit or obtain private insurance. Luh agreed that he could, while Esenberg argued it still required a positive step and still risked his credibility with constituents.

      Personally I don't think Senator Johnson has gained any credibility with many of his constituents, any way you look at it and it's not because of the ACA.  I know he has no credibility with me.

  •  Is this really surprising that (4+ / 0-)

    they're stuck on something and can't get off of it?  Heck, they're still fighting the 2008 election results and trying to make Obama a one-term President, or certainly, to deny his legitimacy and his legacy.

    They still don't get how all those white people could have voted for someone who's black, because they are convinced everyone is like them -- narrow-minded and tribal.  That's why every defeat at the hands of this President has to be challenged and sulked about ad nauseum, even when it hurts them politically.  They're twelve-year-olds who continue arguing even after they've been grounded.

    •  So true! (1+ / 0-)
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      They still don't get how all those white people could have voted for someone who's black, because they are convinced everyone is like them -- narrow-minded and tribal.
      One example of this that I deal with a lot is that since my kids are adopted, anti-abortion nuts assume that I'm one of them.  For them it is a see-saw either or thing: abortion or adoption.  They just don't get it that for me and many others, a woman deciding to have an abortion does not equal one less adoption.  And heaven forbid you should bring up the fact that most women who consider abortion, but don't do it (or worse, don't have a choice) don't give their babies up for adoption.
      •  I have a child from IVF and (1+ / 0-)
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        one from adoption.  I remember going back and forth with a pro-forced birther on HuffPo once.  After she accused me of being everything short of a child-molesting serial killer, I remember asking her what she though I did with my days and explaining that I got up, fed my kids breakfast, made their lunches, sent them off to school, went to work at my husband's and my business, went home, made dinner and helped them with their homework, drove them around to their activities, did laundry, etc.  She seemed genuinely surprised that I did all those "normal" wife and mom things, like I spend my time waiting on street corners, kidnapping innocent pregnant women and forcing them to have abortions or something.  The manipulative religious and political "leaders" of these pro-forced birthers have filled these gullible people's brains with such shit they have no idea we're human beings who simply think people's choices about intimate decisions shouldn't be dictated by the government and who try to see the women who make these choices as people, not monsters.  It's kind of scary, actually.

  •  Don't you get it? It doesn't have to make sense. (1+ / 0-)
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    All the Repubs need is something to hit the Democrats over the head with whether it is true or false, logical or irrational.  Just something else to put the Dems on the defensive.  Something else for the Dems to react to in their typically ineffectual manner, if they react at all.  Something else to add to the negative cloud around the Dems the Repubs built (much with the Dems help) by incessantly (after all how else to do you change minds other through repetition) spout criticism.

    It's not about facts and logic.  It's about perception, repetition and emotion.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 06:09:59 PM PDT

  •  What I don't understand at all is why our side ... (1+ / 0-)
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    What I don't understand at all is why our side isn't running on the ACA?? We know the data and the reality of it, so why don't we get out there and support it? Instead those running in purple and reddish areas are running FROM something that is our signature achievement and something that we know the people want. Why? Why? Why??? We will never ever get off the the defensive side of this,if we are to scared to even bring it up. The only way we will ever get to a true single payer system is to get the poll numbers up on the ACA and then run on not "fixing" it, but taking it to the place we all wanted in the first place.

  •  For AFP, the alternatives to Obamacare attacks (0+ / 0-)

    are worse. What they really want is a Senate that will end all subsidies for wind and solar. They especially want to get rid of EPA regulations intended to reduce CO2 emissions (and all other EPA pollution regulations while they are at it). Plus, keep all the tax breaks for the fossil fuel industries. Protecting the Koch brothers financial interests is not a winning position with voters.

    LCV is running an ad in IA that captures this problem.

  •  Let the Repubs dig their own hole (0+ / 0-)

    and not give them a rope to get out of it. As more and more people like what they are getting via 'Obamacare' the more likely they will show that like when they vote. Every time people here it called 'Obamacare' and not The 'Affordable Care ACT' the more they will think of it as something good the Democrats did for them and want to keep a good thing going.

    Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been "privatized," or taken over by private money lenders. Thomas Jefferson called them “bold and bankrupt adventurers just pretending to have money.” webofdebt

    by arealniceguy on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 12:32:13 AM PDT

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