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This week Las Vegas will be even weirder than normal; the oil, gas, tobacco and coal lobbbyists pseudo-sceptics are in town.  The 9th International Conference on Climate Change, hosted by The Heartland Institute (cuz you know Vegas is smack dab in the middle of the heartland), will trot out their konspiracy kids for an event that should provide enough quotes to keep environmentalists, progressives, and Democrats  busy for months.

And while the line-up is pretty much the same old denier, denier, lobbbyist, denier, pseudo-sceptic, paid-shill, denier, pseudo-sceptic, lobbyist, paid-shill parade of snake-oil salesmen the GOP and Tea Party have come to know and love, I'm crossing my fingers that, perhaps emboldened by the Hobby Lobby decision, we'll see them go public with one of their more ardent aspirations - making scientists have to pass  a religious litmus test.  

For more on that we must visit the cesspool that is the intellectual home of one Lord Christopher Monckton, Third Viscount of Brenchley. Featured Tea Party speaker and invited multiple times by Republicans to testify before congress.  Put your boots on the sh*t gets deep.

The UK's Monckton of Brenchley - the potty peer - is a real piece of work.  His audacious lies, false claims, and sleight of hand with the facts is really unsurpassed; and that takes some doing given the competition that exists on the far-right. But while he is well-known for twisting climate facts into contorted shapes until they are unrecognizable, his views on science and religion - though open for all to see - never come under scrutiny.  It's time to shed a little light on them.

Perhaps, therefore, no one should be allowed to practice in any of the sciences, particularly in those sciences that have become the mere political footballs of the leading pressure-groups, unless he can certify that he adheres to one of those major religions – Christianity outstanding among them – that preach the necessity of morality, and the reality of the distinction between that which is so and that which is not. For science without the morality that perhaps religion alone can give is nothing. Monckton of Brenchley, What is science without religion?
Scientists from Gallileo to Turing have to be shaking their fists at the sky from their graves.   Yet from Monckton's Tea Party and GOP friends we hear a resounding silence.  One could surmise they're nodding their heads in approval.

Monckton has lied about being a Member of the House of Lords - going so far as to misrepresent himself to US Senators. The Clerk of the Parliaments went so far as to publish a letter on their website telling Monckton in no uncertain terms to STOP!  Yet Republicans have asked him four times to testify in Washington DC (and the California GOP had him testify in the State Senate as well).

He is, by his own admission, neither an academic nor a serious researcher.  He has zero credentials to pontificate on science in general or climate specifically, but that doesn't stop him.  He claims to have been Margaret Thatcher's principal science advisor when he worked at 10 Downing Street, but others recall him merely as a bag boy and in Thatcher's 917 page memoir he is not mentioned once.

For all his talk of morality, Monckton claims to have a cure for Graves disease, malaria, HIV, MS, influenza, and the common cold. What moral man could withhold a cure that could save thousands, millions of lives? Monckton of Brenchley, of course.

And he's just one of the dim-bulb luminaries on display in Vegas this week.

4:46 PM PT: Media Matters: Climate Denial Goes Vegas

Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 5:12 PM PT: VVatts Up With That:HEARTLAND CONFERENCE 9.0 : WRESTLEMANIA

Originally posted to kto9 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 03:51 PM PDT.

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  •  Well I Guess He'd Have to Have Religion Regulating (14+ / 0-)

    the universities awarding the degrees, for one thing.

    Much more immediate step to imagine I would think would be businesses exempting out of greenhouse gas and possibly all pollution regulations on religious grounds.

    Although I have to wonder about the oil, coal and gas businesses: they can't find their resources without employing ancient-earth geological science. Shouldn't we be able to force them back to using dowsing rods and coon dogs for exploration, if they want to claim any religious exemption for any regulation?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 04:02:54 PM PDT

  •  Arthur should make you a believer (5+ / 0-)
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    First name storm of 2014 was hurricane in the Atlantic ,the  Pacific has had  at least 5 name storm and hurricane this year

  •  At one end of the spectrum of deniers you have... (7+ / 0-)

    ...these idiots who should lose all their money at the tables or slots.  At least they are smart enough to get $$$ from the fossil fuel industry.

    At the other end of the imbecile denier spectrum you have the Coal Rolling movement;

    "Coal Rollers": Conservatives intentionally spew black smoke from their cars to piss off liberals

    So, when did Intentionally Polluting become a 'Thing'

    “Rolling Coal” With A “Prius Repellant” The Latest Anti-Lefty Craze

    You see, if you get sick from the smoke you must be a lefty.

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    by Shockwave on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 05:00:14 PM PDT

    •  I would add, so that there isn't so much (4+ / 0-)
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      helplessness being generated over the "coal rollers" that many states have a Smoking Vehicle Hotline one can call to report smoking vehicles. And that corresponds to laws on the books that require trucks and cars to pass emissions tests, and one of those tests being smoke opacity.

      So go ahead and roll your coal in front of me, I will get your picture and your tag and turn your ass in as a smoking vehicle and you can deal with the state.

      Beyond being stupid and inconsiderate polluters, what they are doing is in violation of the law.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 04:39:06 AM PDT

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      •  One of those idiots trigger a friend's asthma. (3+ / 0-)
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        She spent 17 hours in the ER on Friday. As far as laws go, she says Texas has apparently has laws about noise but not smoke.

        “Judge: Are you trying to show contempt for this court? Mae West: I was doin' my best to hide it.” ― Mae West

        by Rogneid on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 11:26:20 AM PDT

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        •  That's not true, here is a number you can call (2+ / 0-)
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          for smoking vehicle Hotline in Texas:

          1-800-453-SMOG

          You can help the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) get the word to owners of smoking vehicles in Texas. The next time you see a car, truck, or bus anywhere in Texas with dirty smoke coming from its exhaust for more than 10 consecutive seconds, write down the license number, date, time, and city where you saw the smoking vehicle.

          Report the smoking vehicle, within 30 days, by submitting the online reporting form in English or Spanish or by calling 1-800-453-SMOG (7664). You do not have to give your name, and the report is free.

          The TCEQ will then notify the owner that his or her vehicle may be contributing to air pollution by smoking excessively. The TCEQ will also provide the owner with information about how car maintenance will improve the vehicle's performance.

          And
          according to state regulations, no motor vehicle should produce visible exhaust emissions for more than ten consecutive seconds. This law applies to all vehicles regardless of fuel type.
          You can still report this. Those are modified tail pipes coming out of those trucks. Report it no matter what. Make the state do it's job, note that they do not delineate between vehicles or fuel types.

          "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

          by GreenMother on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 03:05:00 PM PDT

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          •  Be sure and refer to Smoke Opacity (3+ / 0-)
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            This means how much you can see through the smoke. If you can't see through it all, make sure you tell them and use that exact phrase:

            "Smoke Opacity" It's a key phrase used in a variety of similar programs all over the US, and don't forget to mention your friend with Asthma ended up in the ER as a result of being exposed to those toxic illegal fumes.

            (1) Upon observing a smoking vehicle, please make note of the following information:

                Texas license plate number
                Date observed
                Time (AM/PM)
                City

            (2) Report the information to the TCEQ, within 30 days, by one of the following methods:

                Report a smoking vehicle online (English)
                Report a smoking vehicle online (Spanish)
                Call 1-800-453-SMOG (7664)
                Send a fax to 512/239-5687
                Mail the information to:

                    Smoking Vehicle Program, MC-206
                    Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
                    P.O. Box 13087
                    Austin, Texas 78711-3087

            "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

            by GreenMother on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 03:07:01 PM PDT

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            •  I emailed her this info. (3+ / 0-)
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              I'm not sure how much the state can actually do, aside from this:  Law enforcement authorities statewide may issue citations, punishable by a fine of not more than $350, to the owner of "a vehicle that emits visible smoke for 10 seconds or longer."

              They might be able to ticket the jerk, even though she only was able to get a partial plate number. That's not much of a penalty for assholiness though.

              “Judge: Are you trying to show contempt for this court? Mae West: I was doin' my best to hide it.” ― Mae West

              by Rogneid on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 03:29:35 PM PDT

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              •  Just do it and encourage everyone else to do it (3+ / 0-)
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                We have laws on the books about exhaust pollution and this certainly counts.

                "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

                by GreenMother on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 04:39:30 PM PDT

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    •  This "coal rolling" shit is just amazing (7+ / 0-)

      It is like a bit from Idiocracy. I'm sure it is no fun if it happens to you, but the effect of it is that they satirize themselves. So remarkably infantile, like intentionally shitting your own pants in the dairy aisle to get back at Mom for refusing you the Cap'n Crunch.

      Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

      by The Termite on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 07:46:27 AM PDT

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      •  In a way, I hated the EPA called it "illegal". (1+ / 0-)
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        When I see a "coal roller", it's like a huge brightly lite neon sign on a moonless night that says MORON!!! above the driver's head. You don't have to go to the trouble to talk to them to figure out what an asshole they really are.

        And also, if you're so fucking stupid to rig a vehicle that already got horrible gas mileage to get the gas mileage of a transit bus or worse with the price of gas these days...then by all means, kick your own ass.

    •  Somebody does that to a Tesla... (3+ / 0-)
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      the Tesla owner should immediately burn rubber.  An impromptu drag race between a Tesla and one of those idiots would be...amusing.

      One can always hope they foul their valves doing that...

      •  I know people who own Teslas... (0+ / 0-)

        Frequent tire replacement is one of their only complaints.

        “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

        by RichM on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 11:29:09 AM PDT

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  •  One can only hope (6+ / 0-)
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    that the more insane they get with their proposals (e.g., some kind of religious test for scientists) the more they will discredit themselves with an otherwise denialist public.  Many people who are in denial aren't necessarily batshit crazy.

    The disappearance of a sense of responsibility is the most far-reaching consequence of submission to authority. - Stanley Milgram

    by penelope pnortney on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 05:19:04 PM PDT

    •  People in denial aren't necessarily batshit crazy (4+ / 0-)
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      Unfortunately, when it comes to religion, yes they are.

      Remember that religion is specifically and intentionally a-rational and anti-intellectual. Oh, sure the con-artists and priests have learned to ape the syntax and forms of intelligence and science, but at it s heart, religion MUST NOT EVER BE QUESTIONED. It MUST be accepted and believed without rational thought or consideration. Or, if any thought at all is to be applied, it must be to rationalize without evidence or fact, to simply make up a story that satisfies the need to justify irrationality and self-delusion -- or, more to the point, political power and the subjugation of YOU by the glorious dictator of GOD'S unquestionable word: ME.

      Just think of the billions of words that have been wasted making up stories about why the made-up stories in the bible must be true -- and must never be questioned. Stories that justify the utterly unjustifiable, from slavery to slaughter to oppression and genocide. Again, we are (always) talking about the enslavement, slaughter, oppression, and genocide of YOU, by GOD'S own perfect messenger, ME.

      Have you ever wondered why God has never, ever, spoken from the mountaintop to tell a prophet that they and their people, frankly, suck and should therefore allow themselves to be enslaved or killed -- or lose a basketball game? Odd that.

      And before the religious apologists start crying Love! and Mercy! and Forgiveness! let me say this: WHEN has ANY of those ideas ever been genuinely put into practice on a large scale by ANY religion? Oh, sure, religion is great when YOU need mercy from your tribe (and you have enough political power and clout to insist upon it). But when has ANY religion EVER applied such principles to the "Other?" Never.

      Heck, the very story of the Good Samaritan is proof in and of itself: The person who did what the "good" self-righteous religionists would not do. Who did it in the name of compassion and humanity, not some God or religion, but because it was the right thing to do.

      "I believe in morality, which is doing what is right regardless of what I an told. Not religion, which is doing what I am told, regardless of what is right."  - Anonymous
      Can man be good without God? The question remains, Can man ever be good WITH "god"? -- and by this I mean religion and all the evils that come with it. Because "God' never has anything to do with religion, and vice versa. Religion is about politics and power. Nothing more.

      Is there a God? Who knows? No one. (No, you don't.) I suspect so, but I have no proof. Just a feeling. And I have no right whatsoever to impose my suspicions and feelings upon you, much to demand that you obey me because of an unproven and unprovable feeling I have.

      To suggest that anyone does is purest evil.

      •  I like that Anonymous quote (1+ / 0-)
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        What's so frustrating is that many religious types think only religious people can act morally and only the non-religious can act immorally, despite all evidence to the contrary on both counts.

        Here's another quote I like, by Edward Gibbon:

        The theologians may indulge the pleasing task of describing religion as she descended from Heaven, arrayed in her native purity.  A more melancholy duty is imposed on the historian.  He must discover the inevitable mixture of error and corruption which she contracted in a long residence upon earth, among a weak and degenerate race of beings.

        The disappearance of a sense of responsibility is the most far-reaching consequence of submission to authority. - Stanley Milgram

        by penelope pnortney on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 03:48:05 PM PDT

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        •  If you're curious (0+ / 0-)

          This is a previous comment of mine that expands upon this idea.

          The only way religion survives is by lying and by people clinging to it as a way to prove to themselves that they are "special" and god loves them best (because only we worship him in the right way!). And you all are going to aich-ee-double toothpicks! So there, I win! Now you have to obey me forever! And give me all your money.

          •  I did read your earlier comment (0+ / 0-)

            I agree with your conclusions about the harm religion has done but it will never be abolished.  Tracked down an old quote I read years ago from H.L. Mencken that says it best:

            Whether it's the hocus-pocus of a dancing Hottentot or the high incantations of a Catholic archbishop, religion is every man's effort to discover the power that controls his destiny, and to persuade that power to be kind.
            There will always be a huge segment of the populace that needs a "spiritual" explanation for what they observe and experience, and that's been true from the beginning of recorded history.  Add in the human affinity for tribalism, and it can be a deadly mix - but that's sadly true whether you're talking about religion or nationalism or militarism or whatever.  It's probably simplistic and inaccurate to say, but humans are a lot less dangerous to society in the singular.  Maybe it's the anonymity and the validation that make groupthink so attractive and comfortable for some.  A lot less scary than thinking your own thoughts and having to resist all the pressures to conform.

            The disappearance of a sense of responsibility is the most far-reaching consequence of submission to authority. - Stanley Milgram

            by penelope pnortney on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 10:26:42 AM PDT

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  •  I propose a special room at Gitmo dedicated (3+ / 0-)
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    to irreligious scientists.

    We will get the Ex-Pope Cardinal Ratzinger out of retirement and reinstate him as Grand Inquisitor. He can bring along the instruments of torture his predecessor Cardinal Roberto Bellarmino showed to Galileo and set up a proper operation together with the CIA.

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    by atana on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 08:18:24 PM PDT

  •  The guy from Oregon (or was it WA) (1+ / 0-)
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    could give Monckton a run for his money.

    I'll always be...King of Bain...I'll always be...King of Bain

    by AZphilosopher on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 01:40:52 AM PDT

  •  The people you refer to want everyone to pass (7+ / 0-)

    a religious test. You see they are so idiotic, that they haven't figured it out yet, that their adherence to Revelations is so complete that they themselves would turn the cross into the Mark of the Beast.

    That way no one could get married, or do business or save money, or travel without displaying that mark.

    These people are so stupid that they cannot conceive the possibility of coming full circle and transforming what they thought was a positive, into a negative.

    They do not understand that they have been staring into the abyss for so long, that the abyss has begun to stare out of them.

    "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

    by GreenMother on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 04:36:07 AM PDT

  •  Wingnuts think anyone who talks with an (4+ / 0-)

    english accent is automatically smart.

    I ask him if he was warm enough? "Warm," he growled, "I haven't been warm since Bastogne."

    by Unrepentant Liberal on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 05:42:43 AM PDT

  •  The old canard about (1+ / 0-)
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    religion (particularly Christianity) being required to be a moral person. Hooray!

    liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

    by RockyMtnLib on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 06:55:38 AM PDT

  •  Catering for the event done by Robert Irvine. (0+ / 0-)

    Sorry, don't mean to trivialize, but that clown reminded me of a serious, more harmful version of the fraudster.

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 07:36:59 AM PDT

  •  Why is teacher tenure crucial? This is one of the (4+ / 0-)
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    reasons why tenure is so important.  I teach 8th grade science, and the 8th grade science curriuculum under the new national science standards includes a full unit on climate change.  Our school is about 6 miles from the Creation Museum, is located in the reddest district in all of KY, and the Tea Party is big in our community.  

    KY actually has among the most rigorous tenure processes in the country, so I am proud to be a tenured teacher. As a tenured teacher, I have no concerns about teaching a rigourous and thorough unit on climate change.

    If tenure did not exist, I would probably need to be very concerned about making the choice betweed teaching the new standards about climate change or keeping my job.  If a few loud and politically active parents didn't want the unit taught in our school, they'd be able to go to school board meetings and threaten to organize against them during the next election.  The school board as elected officials could decide to opt out of that unit and send a directive to that effect.

    I'd be left with the personal decision of going along and keeping my job, or doing the right thing and getting fired.  Tenure affords me academic freedom.

    This is just one of the reasons why teacher tenure is important.

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    by bkamr on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 08:11:58 AM PDT

  •  Suddenly I'm reminded ... that the leaders in (1+ / 0-)
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    both world wars ... were certificated communicating members of SOME officially recognized Church ...

    The Brits of course were Anglican Church,  of which their Monarch Was the Head.  

    In WW II, Awful Adolph made himself Head of the Reform Evangelical Lutheran Church ... so as to compete in sovereign dignity, perhaps -- though his Rank and File remained generic traditional Catholic or Protestant.  (And my goodness, how WELL that kept them from war crimes and criminal excess.)

    Meanwhile on the other side of the world the Japanese Emperor headed HIS Shinto/Buddhist state religion ... making the occupation of Manchurai ever so much more humane than it might have been had the Empire had no religion at all.

    And anyone in doubt about the humanizing and uplifting characteristics of State Religion, need only only pick an era and examine the behavior of the Religious in both war and peace.

    (Which is not to say that the atheist Communists in Russia were Angels of Grace and Mercy -- but their Scripture never suggested they should be.  And they only lasted about 80 years, whereas Christian-ish  states have running things from the Middle Ages through the Age of Empires.

    Secular governance wasn't really invented until the French and American Revolutions -- and it wasn't long before French revolutionaries were calling for a made-up State Religion to keep the Third Estate loyal and biddable.

  •  skepticalscience.com (3+ / 0-)
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    is a website - the best in my opinion - dedicated to educating people about the reality of man-made global warming. It is run by John Cook who happens to be an Evangelical Christian.

    This video shows Cook giving a sermon on the reality of Global Warming and the responsibility Christians and mankind have towards preventing it. I'm sure he would pass the test.

    A million Arcosantis.

    by Villabolo on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 08:51:24 AM PDT

  •  Necessity of morality? Clean coal calls the kettle (1+ / 0-)
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    Well...you know....

    West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

    by Nicolas Fouquet on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 09:49:03 AM PDT

  •  As a secular humanist, I agree with Lord Monckton. (1+ / 0-)
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    Partly. I, too, believe that scientific inquiry, like any activity, needs to be grounded in morality. It needs to be grounded in humane values and an understanding of its likely consequences.
    Where we part company is his assertion that belief in a flying spaghetti monster of some sort is necessary for morality, and that such FSM underlies the morality of whatever political authoritarianism wants to do.

    "Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous." -- Molly Ivins

    by dumpster on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 10:14:45 AM PDT

  •  I was waiting for the snark tag (7+ / 0-)

    Seriously? "Lord Christopher Monckton, Third Viscount of Brenchley"?  I figured that HAD to be made up.

    Why do I feel like I'm always losing a game of "Onion or Not?"

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 10:42:07 AM PDT

  •  nice links (1+ / 0-)
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    to the history of abuse of thinking people.

    nicely done.

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 01:43:04 PM PDT

  •  First, one need not be religious to be moral. (1+ / 0-)
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    Second, I want to point out (way off-topic) that Germany's trouncing of Brazil is universal karma for the leveling of the favelas.  Germany, you have been forgiven for WW2.

    "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

    by ditsylilg on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 03:07:08 PM PDT

  •  Does anyone else feel this way? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not saying I'm happy with the "Hobby Lobby" ruling--it was 100% purely ideological with very limited legal basis, almost like a pundit's ruling.

    But I have to love all these new cases that seem to be suddenly popping up because of it--like the Islamists in Gitmo just to name the one that stands out the most.

    I hope Scalia and Thomas are haunted by cases because of Hobby Lobby for the rest of their so-called judicial careers. And I hope every single one of them is something they personally hate.

    Because that's what their ruling was, personal. I don't think they even understand how to follow the law or base a decision on the law--they're almost like if Rush Limbaugh were nominated to SCOTUS.

    Here's a scary thought...What if people who received jury duty decided cases the same way the 5 decide cases?

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