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As I have noted here before, my wife identifies as a conservative (though not like the folk who use that term today — she wonders when the definition of conservative began to include wingnuttery).

She finally got sick of all the calls to "impeach President Obama" and wrote a blistering critique of that issue there. (She claims she got a lot of "atta girls" over her post at RedState).

Her thoughts on impeaching the President below the copper IUD.

From my wife Beth - who read the Constitution, rather than wrapped herself in it.

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I've been hearing "impeach Obama" and "Obama broke the law" now for 5 years. So far, the US House of Representatives, to whom the US Constitution gives the only organization with the ability to draw up Articles of Impeachment, have come up with nothing. Either Obama has broken no laws, or the representatives that WE elected are derelict in their duties, should be impeached, recalled, voted out of office, and PROSECUTED.

This isn't even a Republican/Democrat thing. The Democrats had a majority in the House - where Articles of Impeachment must originate, now Republicans have a majority in the House. I must conclude that NOBODY of EITHER party is interested in drawing up such articles.

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. If you insist on "Impeach" and "Obama broke the law", write out just WHAT laws were broken, when they were broken, and vote on impeachment. Then the Senate will vote on whether or not to convict him of those crimes, as per the US Constitution.

Until that is done, I have to think that it's a lot of hot air, and that the Congress does not want to do the job for which they were elected, and by ignoring such breaches of the Law by the President THEY are breaking the law - perhaps in a conspiracy.

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  •  Tip Jar (33+ / 0-)

    "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

    by Village Vet on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 08:59:50 PM PDT

  •  Bravo, Beth (12+ / 0-)

    I just wish more conservatives could see the damage this nonsense is doing to our country -- and any children these people are raising.

    I applaud you.

  •  I voted no and here's why... (8+ / 0-)

    ...If what you feel is right, it doesn't hurt anyone, contributes to dialogue and not division, and seeks common ground if not agreement, then you can call yourself a fruit basket for all I care: Just don't change. We NEED sane voices from the other side of the aisle to check some of the more -shall we say- "exuberant" proclivities toward spending from both left and right on military, pork barrels, waste, etc and encroachment on liberties by government over-reach. We need conservatives who may feel one way on certain issues, but respect their opposites enough to listen with an open mind. Even if our side doesn't sometimes. We need conservatives willing to stand up to the fringe among them, to tell them they are just... wrong.

    In short, some of my close friends are (caring and) conservative.

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 10:00:53 PM PDT

  •  What a great diary :) thanks (4+ / 0-)

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  •  She . . . (8+ / 0-)

    . . . is certainly not one of the "true believer" types that hold conservatism more as a religious belief than a political philosophy. While some of our discussions are quite "animated," they are in fact an exchange of ideas; none of this "I'll take my ball and go home" nonsense.

    (She is an atheist as well, so I suspect she would not be welcome in the GOP of today. I am reminded of how American Atheists was treated at the CPAC convention.)

    She says that the way that conservatism has moved, it is a little bit like Mexicans that found themselves on the US side of the border after the Mexican-American War: the border crossed them, not the other way around.

    "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

    by Village Vet on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 10:19:10 PM PDT

    •  Village Vet & Mrs.Village Vet, Your take on this ? (1+ / 0-)
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          How does your Judge Kopf go over in your neighborhood? He is in your U.S. District Court for the District of Nebraska, has an interesting juridical resume, served as chief judge of that court from 1999-2004. Kos diary of day before yesterday was about him, JUL 07, 2014 Federal Judge to Supreme Court majority: STFU  by  Joan McCarter.  Since he's a Nebraskan, you may be aware of his reputation, decisions he has rendered, etc.  I'm trying to figure out if he is being trolled by rightwing (such as Koch Brothers, TransCanada itself or other KeystoneXL supporters, etc.) and even more so now that even the likes of Eric Cantor & Thad Cochran are being driven nuts by the shenanigans of the neolibral-corporatist-manipulated T-party folks. Nebraska is a fascinating situation because of all the resistance to K-XL in your neighborhoods from folks who were mainly on-board with the rightist agenda until they found out how badly the pipeline could totally screw up the Ogallala (unconfined) Aquifer that recharges from rain-&-snowmelt, pipeline ruptures, fertilizer percolation, gas & diesel spills, etc (i.e., anything that hits land surface & percolates down into the aquifer).   The Judge's blog is here: "Hercules and the umpire; The Role Of The Federal Trial Judge" and if you read the comments to his July 7th blog, you'll see a lot of ire directed at him. He was appointed by George H.W. Bush, not a Clinton or Obama insider.

           The way you described yourself & your wife, I just wondered how perceive the judge and his recent national profile. Nebraska Watchdog that fronts a big staff of two people certainly seems to have a fascination with him. But only half of the NE-Watchdog staff writes about him to keep informing Nebraskans all abut the judge (or to inform the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity which, in turn, is said to be enabled by money from Sam Adams Alliance, Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Donors Trust organizations) —— in other words, the powers of what Thom Hartman called "The Economic Royalists and the Corporatist Conspiracy" in his new book about the past financial crashes of the colonial U.S. and our nation—in 1770, in 1856, in 1929, in today and the last 7 years.

           I know this was not the topic of your diary but, given all that you put into your diary which I found refreshing, I really am interested in what you have to say about the larger situation in Nebraska, whether K-XL, Judge Knopf, or whatever is important in your family, friends, town and county.

      •  I'm not sure what to make of him. (0+ / 0-)

        We only moved to Nebraska from Oklahoma in 2012.

        Reading the Wikipedia article on him gives the impression that he seems to contradict himself a lot (as does the Daily Kosarticle you cited.

        "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

        by Village Vet on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 12:06:37 AM PDT

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        •  On the issue of the Keystone XL . . . (6+ / 0-)

          . . . it certainly has taken a disparate portion of the population and thrown them together in a common cause.

          There are very conservative ranchers and farmers who are incensed at the idea that a foreign corporation could be given the right to take their land that families have owned for generations.

          Sports hunters and fishers are aligned with environmentalists on the issue along with conservative ranchers and farmers.

          Moreover, the pipeline would cross several major rivers in Nebraska (the Niobrara, the Loup, the Platte) from which many cities in Nebraska draw water. That also has city folk and rural folk siding against it.

          Watching this play out here is a fascinating study in legal resistance — the thought that so many differing groups have found common cause here on this issue is something by itself.

          "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

          by Village Vet on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 12:17:09 AM PDT

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        •  Congratulations on your escape!! (1+ / 0-)
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          We only moved to Nebraska from Oklahoma in 2012.
          Only, with my experience of that part of the country, it's kind of like going from the fat to the fire...

          I hope your experience is better. Come over to Military Community.

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 12:26:10 AM PDT

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          •  We left when Mary Fallin's . . . (4+ / 0-)
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            . . . new Tea Party majority government passed legislation requiring drivers get medical examinations from specialists for every medication they take or disorder they might have.

            We added up the cost for me to maintain a driver's license and concluded that it was cheaper to buy a house in another state than do that for one year.

            (Oklahoma sent me a listing of specialist physicians I would need to see because of epilepsy, after Thanksgiving and requiring it to be done by December 31. The cost was more than our house here in Nebraska.)

            Nebraska is conservative, and this part of Nebraska (the panhandly part) is the most conservative part, but it is not crazy.

            "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

            by Village Vet on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 02:43:04 AM PDT

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            •  When you left Gov. Mary Fallin in Oklahoma... (0+ / 0-)

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              ...Tea Party majority government passed legislation requiring drivers get medical examinations from specialists for every medication they take or disorder they might have.
              That is to say insurance industry wants yet another way to deny claims so if someone has an accident and the field test and/or blood test reveals any controlled substance that one did not disclose to the state's Secretary of State and/or the insurance company, then the claim is denied. Plus, the jurisdiction where the citation for improper behavior is given will be able to enhance the fine amount. Plus, the corporation that does the outsourced incarceration of the convicted driver for the jurisdiction where the citation was adjudicated can add that driver to its population headcount for however many days, months, and/or years it can maintain control of the captured "offender" and bill accordingly and have the captured/incarcerated/convicted person do whatever work it is that the institution of incarceration says that person must do. Plus, the one will pay the costs of the visits with the "specialist physicians", the "new patient" extra charges, the lab tests (and there are gonna be more of them than necessary because that's what the fun of fishing expeditions is all about — it's called "practicing defensive medicine", a part of the business model all the specialists and hospitals/clinics operate today).

                     Good for you that you were able to find less expensive living in Nebraska.

                      But I never understand why the Tea Party majority does not understand that they each, as individuals, are not the persons who are going to benefit from the arrangements (laws) that the government they install will enact. It is the corporatists/oligarchs who will benefit (a.k.a. "profit") from the legislation such as, you example of requiring drivers to get medical examinations from specialists for every medication they take or disorder they might have.

                      I know that in the best case scenario a driver who should not be driving and the other persons (pedestrians, riders, drivers, owners of property that is damaged in an accident) will have a better quality of life if they are prevented from enduring the consequences of accidental damage by a driver whose medical condition (with or without medication) should preclude driving. But the best case scenario is rarely the scenario that manifests (that becomes an actual event). More likely, especially in any vast number of square miles in this great land, the driver who is not allowed to drive will thirst or starve or succumb to a medical situation that would have been prevented, or at least mitigated, by allowing the person to drive.

                       And there are some of the reasons that, in the third largest national population on the planet, the U.S. is so big with such big problems to resolve that the only hope for its survival is big government. Without big government, big corporations (a.k.a. "Robber Barons""Slave Owners""War Lords") will grind the common person into the dust.  Winning a world war or just fighting to a draw, putting people into orbit and on other objects in space (moon/Mars/whatever), keeping polio/measles/tuberculosis/flu/etc. from being pandemic, educating people well enough and in sufficient numbers who can actually design/build/maintain energy (electricity) production that won't kill us and/or ruin our water/air/food are all examples of problems so big that only big government can tackle and subdue them.  So how can Tea Party majority government that forecloses big government be a good idea? I don't get it.

                       But I do understand why the profit takers want ever smaller government regulation in their extremely short-sighted perspective and their inability to plan more than 3-5 years at most even if they do carry around a really simple Ronald Reagan style message and they can repeat it every day for 10 years.

            •  so much for small gov't (1+ / 0-)
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              maybe that's only for the corporations

          •  I would come to the military community . . . (1+ / 0-)
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            Penny GC

            . . . here if I knew how.

            Vetwife wrote saying she would see about invites, but I have not received any, and I am too new here at Daily Kos to figure out how to do that myself.

            "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

            by Village Vet on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 02:45:46 AM PDT

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  •  Re: Should my wife leave the Dark Side? (3+ / 0-)

    Sounds like she's more than half way there.

    (It's not like she would be leaving the Republican party ...)

    •  Actually . . . (6+ / 0-)

      . . . she was once a member of the Republican Party.

      She then joined the Libertarian Party, and served as the campaign treasurer for Keith Hamburger's campaign for the Colorado Legislature.

      She no longer associates with the Libertarian Party either.

      She now is registered as a non-partisan voter.

      As for voting for particular candidates, I have not asked her who she voted for in the past (not my business unless she offers it up herself).

      But she knows my liberal leanings: I wonder if she will vote for me for re-election to the Village Board of Trustees come November. . . . :)

      "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"—William F. Buckley, Jr.—Founder of the conservative policy magazine "National Review"

      by Village Vet on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 12:10:20 AM PDT

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  •  While I applaud her efforts, (1+ / 0-)
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    members of Congress can't be impeached. Regrettably.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 05:11:53 AM PDT

  •  Nice rant, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    wilderness voice

    House members can't be impeached or recalled (per the Constitution) and "PROSECUTED" (in all caps no less!)... for what exactly?

    And that general sentiment is common over there.  The Son of Erick posted something like this the other day about "Impeachment being off the table" lamenting that Boehner's lawsuit is a taxpayer money wasting farce and the House has made it clear that they lack the courage to use their powers of impeachment or en masse defunding to stop this dictator so its time to vote them out and elect people that will.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 05:17:46 AM PDT

    •  Yep. And he can't even keep his minions in line (1+ / 0-)
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      wilderness voice

      He created the monsters on his blog. His mods ban DOZENS every day if they say one word wrong. And he still can't keep a lid on the madness.

      Crazies. All of them.

      Yes, DailyKos DOES have puzzles! Visit us here Saturday nights @ 5:00 PDT (easier puzzles) and Sunday nights @ 5:00 PDT (more challenging) for a group solving. Even if you just pop in and comment while watching the fun, everybody is welcome. uid:21352

      by pucklady on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 05:52:23 AM PDT

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