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Just look at this plummeting graph.

Line chart showing the uninsured rate in the U.S. declining sharply since ACA went into effect.
Except that the graph is showing how many people are uninsured since 2008. And this.
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The uninsured rate in the U.S. fell 2.2 percentage points to 13.4% in the second quarter of 2014. This is the lowest quarterly average recorded since Gallup and Healthways began tracking the percentage of uninsured Americans in 2008. The previous low point was 14.4% in the third quarter of 2008. […] In fact, the uninsured rate has dropped by 3.7 points since the fourth quarter of 2013, when it averaged 17.1%.
What a catastrophe!

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:14 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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    •  He does that with no assistance. (5+ / 0-)

      (Um, except from his gin bottle. He gets a lot of help from there.)

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:59:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  He's going to sue her. nt (7+ / 0-)

      Paraphrasing Mencken, today's republicans are motivated by the haunting fear that somewhere, some black guy may be getting away with something.

      by Inland on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:03:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  :-) (5+ / 0-)

      I have to admit, I watched the Raoul Wallenberg Congressional Medal of Honor ceremony Wednesday on CSPAN mostly to see how many time Boehner cried.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:07:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It all depends on his current blood/alcohol level (4+ / 0-)

        If the Drunk Weepy Oompa-Loompa is acting like Judy Garland off her meds, you can be pretty sure his liquor cabinet is empty.

        I think back to his deranged "HELL NO YOU CAN'T" rant on the day of Obamacare's passage. He was clearly liquored up that time.

        •  I have long suspected that his blood/alcohol (0+ / 0-)

          level is consistently at antifreeze levels.

          Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

          by J Edward on Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 09:48:21 AM PDT

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      •  Congressional Medal of Honor? (0+ / 0-)

        There is no such thing as a Congressional Medal of Honor. It is the Medal of Honor. Besides, Raoul Wallenberg was not awarded a Medal of Honor, which is a military award. He was awarded a Congressional Gold Medal, which is the highest civilian award this country gives.

        Some online "news reports" mixed the two medals in the same article. Wallenberg certainly deserved to be recognized posthumously  for his work. But he was a Swedish civilian not in the military of this country or Sweden.

        •  Crongressional Medal of Honor! (3+ / 0-)
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          There very much is a "Congressional Medal of Honor"! The Congressional Medal of Honor is the highest award for valor in action against an enemy force which can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States. Generally presented to its recipient by the President of the United States of America in the name of Congress. As an individual claiming to be a Staff Sargent in your user name you should be very much aware of this most prestigious award. Please do not misinform others who may not be aware. As a retired service member from a family with a rich military heritage, I was always aware that this award was the greatest achievement that any soldier could strive for.

          •  I applaud your passion and desire to help! (0+ / 0-)

            Your desire to respect and honor those who have served our country so admirably for so long.

            From what I understand - wikipedia is very clear on it - though the medals are issued in the 'name of Congress,' the correct term apparently really is 'Medal of Honor.'

            Here is a link to the wikipedia article.

            And under Etymology, it says:

            Because the medal is presented "in the name of Congress", it is often erroneously referred to as the Congressional Medal of Honor; however, the official name is simply the "Medal of Honor".
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            by BeninSC on Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 03:41:29 PM PDT

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    •  I would still like to see % of people in the USA (2+ / 0-)
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      JuliathePoet, gromi

      without health insurance fall to as low as the number in Canada. But this is a start.  

  •  Go get 'em, Joan. (9+ / 0-)

    “Listen--are you breathing just a little, and calling it a life?” ― Mary Oliver

    by weezilgirl on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:29:24 AM PDT

  •  And the coverage is actually, you know ... (10+ / 0-)

    Coverage.

  •  My local radio wingnut is predicting DOOOOOM for (6+ / 0-)

    the ACA.....going on almost a year now.

  •  There should be consequences for faulty prediction (3+ / 0-)

    Elections have consequences.

    Now to undo a baaaad Gerrymander.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:43:46 AM PDT

  •  you have to turn the chart upside down (8+ / 0-)

    That's what Louie Gohmert would do!  

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:57:26 AM PDT

  •  Smart marketing campaign in RI (5+ / 0-)

    Ads in the Phoenix, and running on Red Sox radio, with the same theme:

    As a small business owner, you know that big businesses get all the breaks. That's why they pay less for pretty much everything -- including health insurance. But with HealthSource RI, small businesses can join forces and get a better deal on health and dental insurance.

    Together, small businesses are RI's biggest business. . . .

    with a graphic showing a balance scale with one huge weight on the left, outweighed by a couple dozen little weights on the right, and thumbnails and quotes from four RI small business owners.
    •  love it. (0+ / 0-)

      we need the equivalent all over the friggin' country.

      "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society, including the chance to insure" - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Compania General De Tabacos De Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 275 U.S. 87, 100, dissenting; opinion

      by HugoDog on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:56:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Trainwreck, I believe, was the GOP talking poin... (1+ / 0-)
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    Trainwreck, I believe, was the GOP talking point regurgitated by McConnell, Cruz, Boehner, etc.

  •  Is this the right measure? (0+ / 0-)

    New here, and don't mean to troll, but is this the proper way to gauge the success of this program?  Shouldn't some other stat such as improvements in health outcomes or bending of the cost curve be more relevant?  

    Of course any program could reduce or even entirely eliminate the uninsured population, but if it comes at a ridiculous cost or if it does not result in improved outcomes, it will have been a failure.  

    •  To early for "improvements in health outcomes". (1+ / 0-)
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      You can't see those improvements just after health insurance covers people . It might be years before the doctors treating the newly covered make headway on improving health outcomes . Not every newly insured person is suffering from something treatable right when they get coverage . It might be a few years until a newly covered person needs care for something .

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:44:29 AM PDT

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    •  since you are new here (4+ / 0-)

      you will have missed the diary yesterday about people who responded to the most recent survey, of the significant percentage who have acquired covereage, about 60% said they got treatment they coudn't have afforded before their new ACA policies went into effect.

      You missed the diaries about the people who will die in states that didn't expand medicaid, hundreds per state to more than a thousand at the top end.

      Premium increases have decreased in rate of increase, medicare spending down, hospitals seeing much smaller losses from treating uninsured,  all sorts of positive outcomes so far.

      So research is your friend since you've been missing the good news over the last year or more since you are new here.

  •  It's a disaster for (3+ / 0-)
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    Bill Kristol.

    In 1993, he wrote about the Clinton Health Care plan

    It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

    "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society, including the chance to insure" - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Compania General De Tabacos De Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 275 U.S. 87, 100, dissenting; opinion

    by HugoDog on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:21:46 AM PDT

  •  I wish people wouldn't use graphs (4+ / 0-)
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    whose Y axes didn't start at 0, though.  The curve is impressive enough without artificially exaggerating it.

    •  (it would be better yet (2+ / 0-)
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      without all those red states deliberately withholding Medicaid expansion of course)

    •  Is that necessary, though (1+ / 0-)
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      indycam

      when your starting point is 14.6 percent? Seems to me that would just make for a bigger graph, with a lot more white space.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:40:33 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, starting at something other than 0 (1+ / 0-)
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        is deliberately misleading.  You could make a graph to make ANY change look impressive that way (even a 0.1% change, if the axes spanned only 0.5% total).  I'm in the biological sciences, and from my perspective (and I'm sure other science and tech people too), any graph that does not start at 0 is garbage.

        As Asym said, a 5.5% drop in uninsured rate is impressive even on a properly scaled graph.

        "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it... unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -The Buddha

        by Brian A on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:50:27 AM PDT

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        •  Wild ! (0+ / 0-)
          any graph that does not start at 0 is garbage.
          You must be shown the empty space where there is nothing to see or the graph is garbage , wild . What do you learn from an empty space ?

          If I gave you a graph of average temperatures in Honolulu ,
          http://www.weather.com/... does seeing 0 or -20 change anything ?

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:43:44 AM PDT

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      •  No, the graph wouldn't be bigger (1+ / 0-)
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        debocracy

        The curve would just look less steep (because it is less steep--but still impressive and important).

        The Y axis would be the same height.  It would just be scaled down the axis from, in this case, 20% to 0%, instead of 20% to 12%.  The curve then would run on average higher from the bottom of the graph, and its ups and downs would look shallower; there'd be no extra "white space"--the size of the graph would be the same--but it would be more graphically and intuitively accurate.

        Unfortunately we're used to seeing graphs presented that way, but as Brian A notes, it's misleading (sometimes dramatically misleading).  Scale is important. It's really the whole point of graphical data representation.

        •  Take that graph above (0+ / 0-)

          extend it downwards with a piece of paper .
          Go down from 12 at the same size and spacing .
          Don't modify anything from 12 up to 20 .
          What happens that changes the info presented in the graph ?

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:50:00 AM PDT

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          •  But you *don't need the same spacing*. (0+ / 0-)

            What happens is that the curve looks shallower compared to the space at the bottom of the curve.  That's how the brain reads it.

            Meanwhile, all you have to do to fit the graph in the same space is reduce the spacing of the Y axis.

    •  How would blank space improve it ? (0+ / 0-)

      The thing is labeled well , peak at 18 going down to 13.4 .

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:48:14 AM PDT

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  •  something more important than # of insured, no? (1+ / 0-)
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    i'm thinking:

    the quality of coverage, are people getting access to the care they need, and how much are they spending? are people with insurance still going into big debt and or losing their homes? i'm sure there are better questions than these.

    what i find lacking is this inference that the number of insured equates to quality of care and affordability. show me those numbers.

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

    by pfiore8 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:28:56 AM PDT

    •  Those (1+ / 0-)
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      are the questions that I don't think there's been enough time to adequately assess.

      What you can look at is the self-reporting in the Commonwealth Fund survey (I wrote about it yesterday) that big majorities (70-80 percent) of people with the new insurance really like it.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:42:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Give it time . (0+ / 0-)
      what i find lacking is this inference that the number of insured equates to quality of care and affordability.
      The quality of care for the non insured must go up once they get insured ?

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:50:41 AM PDT

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      •  not sure that's true. (0+ / 0-)

        if you are forced to buy insurance but they don't all afford the same "access" to care, then you may still not seek care when needed because you may not be able to cover the deductibles etc... so then we're back to people not getting care.

        that's why the other elements of this story are so important.

        “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

        by pfiore8 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:29:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  For your story to be true , (0+ / 0-)

          health insurance must not matter re access .
          People with and without health insurance must have the same access then .

          I reject that , health insurance does good .
          Its not perfect , but its better then perfect nothing .

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:35:21 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  if you force people to buy health insurance (0+ / 0-)

            but they can not afford policies that give them the access they may need, then you're back to the elderly eating cat food.

            “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

            by pfiore8 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 11:01:42 AM PDT

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  •  What happens when SCOTUS kills the ACA? (0+ / 0-)

    It's becoming increasingly clear that our hyper-political SCOTUS will invalidate the insurance subsidies provided under the ACA to people in states that have signed up for the federal exchanges.  This issue is now before a 3-Judge panel of the D.C. Circuit.  Two of those Judges are Bush appointees and have all but declared that they will rule against the Administration.  The case will then go to the full Circuit.  The administration should fare better there as 7 of the 11 Judges are Obama/Clinton appointees (although 2 of the Clinton appointees are fairly unpredictable).  In any case, this will make it to SCOTUS next year and - don't fool yourself - the GOP political arm of SCOTUS will strike down federal subsidies faster than you can say "Scalia, Alito and Roberts are political hacks charading as impartial justices".

    What happens then?  No chance for a legislative fix.  Also, it would be almost impossible for the 36 states operating under the federal exchanges to build their own exchanges.

    Trust-Fund Kids of America Unite... save the Bush tax cuts!

    by JCPOK on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:30:02 AM PDT

    •  this assumes (0+ / 0-)

      Roberts will change his mind and decide he wants to kill the ACA now when he didn't a year ago.

      The tax provision section on the credits which doesn't get the media airtime has positive language that refers to credit calculations for the state plans or plans run by the feds if the state declined.  That is the tax rule which changed the IRC.   Since Roberts went with the tax before, as a valid imposition, why would he avoid the tax rule that creates the credit?

      •  I happened to hear Romesh Ponnuru ? (sp ) (0+ / 0-)

        on Bloomberg this morning declaring the ACA dead as the courts will strike the subsidies down, and therefore we must "repeal or replace" the ACA, which was codespeak right there, yet I am concerned this could cause the ACA to unravel. Any time, it seems, when there is something good for the American people, the conservatives will find a way to fuck it up. Whether its worker protections or women's rights, they will fuck it up somehow. And they will do it because freedom...

        •  language from the statutes (0+ / 0-)
          (3) Information requirement.--Each Exchange (or any person carrying out 1 or more responsibilities of an Exchange under section 1311(f)(3) or 1321(c) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) shall provide the following information to the Secretary and to the taxpayer with respect to any health plan provided through the Exchange:
          (c) FAILURE TO ESTABLISH EXCHANGE OR IMPLEMENT REQUIREMENTS.—

          (1) IN GENERAL.—If—

          (A) a State is not an electing State under subsection (b); or

          (B) the Secretary determines, on or before January 1, 2013, that an electing State—

          (i) will not have any required Exchange operational by January 1, 2014; or

          (ii) has not taken the actions the Secretary determines necessary to implement—

          (I) the other requirements set forth in the standards under subsection (a); or

          (II) the requirements set forth in subtitles A and C and the amendments made by such subtitles; the Secretary shall (directly or through agreement with a notforprofit entity) establish and operate such Exchange within the State and the Secretary shall take such actions as are necessary to implement such other requirements. 2736(b) of the Public Health Services Act shall apply to the

          enforcement under paragraph (1) of requirements of subsection (a)(1) (without regard to any limitation on the application of

          those provisions to group health plans).

          the first is a quote from the IRC with respect to the section calculating premium assistance credits, and requires for each Exchange (and there appears to be nothing that distinguishes a state "Exchange" from an "Exchange" established by the Secretary for a state, they are all just "Exchange") .  The first section quoted  explicitly requires that certain information be given to the IRS from the Exchange, including any Exchange under 1321 (c) to guide calculation of the credits or if excess credits were paid.

          The second quote is the language of 1321 (c): if a state elects not to create an Exhange, or elected to create one but won't have it operational, then the Secretary is directed to create 'such Exchange' or hire a non-profit to do so.   So there isn't a dichotomy between state and federal exchange for the purpose of the tax credits.  Tax credits will be calculated and reported for all the exchanges, including the 1321 (c) exchanges created by the Secretary.  If credits were not to be given for 1321 (c) Exchanges, then the language in IRC Section32 (b) becomes surplussage, language with no meaning.  The SCOTUS can do what it wants, but generally, honest courts don't write language out of a law.  Congress wrote it into the law, it has to be given effect.

    •  What happens ? (0+ / 0-)

      Pigs fly ?

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:53:21 AM PDT

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  •  Amazing how the unisured number continued to rise (1+ / 0-)
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    Even after the "recovery" began. Not a very good argument for employer-based healthcare. And certainly not a good argument for the Republicans' call to repeal and do nothing.

  •  Affordable Care Act (1+ / 0-)
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    cslewis

    It's great that many more people have signed up for insurance but I don't want to forget that the ACA is not much more than a stop-gap measure. It still keeps the insurance industry in the very lucrative loop. It perpetuates distinctions between haves (those with private or employer based insurance) and have nots (those with Medicaid or no insurance.) People will continue to churn on and off coverage when they lose or switch jobs or change their family status. It's important, I think, for progressives to keep sight of the real goal -- a national, fair, egalitarian, single-payer system of universal health care.

    •  i don't think we are going to get that. Our best (0+ / 0-)

      hope is a system similar to Germany or a few other countries with a pseudo- privatized system. Problem is we keep getting stupid ass challenges using "freedom" as an excuse to deny people real benefits. Heaven forbid, someone who is poor or working class should get the benefit of decent healthcare, wages, or ( my word ) some sort of retirement....

  •  I don't understand. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm really glad you posted this chart.  I've seen it before, and I have to admit I'm confused.

    Once you adjust for the non-zero axis, you'll see the % has dropped one percent since 2008.  This doesn't seem correct to me.  I believe many more folks have gotten coverage due to the ACA, but this chart doesn't really show that.

    Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?

    •  2008 (0+ / 0-)

      is when Gallup started surveying for insurance status. So they only have 6 years of data.

      What this is really reflecting is the extent of the disaster of the great recession. And that a the uninsured rate has fallen a lot since the height of the recession, but more since the law was implemented.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:46:12 AM PDT

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  •  each new insured/ person covered by Medicaid (3+ / 0-)
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    represents a person in bondage to the Kenyan dictator.  Forced to engage in the health care system, pay money, and potentially get what rich people have always gotten, good health care.

    The humanity of it.

  •  Uncompensated hospital care down in AZ (3+ / 0-)
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    A new survey by the Arizona Hospital and Healthcare Association shows that care given to those unable to pay their bill has fallen 31 percent for the first four months of this year as compared to the same time period last year.

  •  still needs to be fixed! (0+ / 0-)

    I hope the good news doesn't hide the problems that need fixing.  Employers still involved in the insurance business is the big one.  Purchase across state lines another.  Rating all Americans based on age and not where one lives.
    Instead of fixing the problems that always happen in new legislation the Dems circle the wagons and go into denial mode about the problems.  The Reps are still in silly mode and think only about repeal.  The ACA is over halfway to being the best in the world.  When it goes all Swiss it will be the best.  The Swiss is endorsed by Forbes and Krugman.

  •  Question of the day (1+ / 0-)
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    Of that 13.4% still uninsured, what percentage are in states that refused to expand Medicaid? I’m hypothesizing  but it seems the largest proportion of people still uninsured would be the working poor who are too “rich” for states with stingy Medicaid benefits and too poor to get subsidies under the ACA. Maybe the untold story here is that the continued number of uninsured isn’t an ACA problem but rather a state one.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 09:54:33 AM PDT

  •  What is that huge rise in uninsured right befor... (0+ / 0-)

    What is that huge rise in uninsured right before the drop? It goes all the way as high as 18% and looks like early this year or late last year. Was that the cancellations?

  •  While positive news, in all fairness, this graph (0+ / 0-)

    shares a little with FauxNews, in that it's got it's zoom on, for dramatic effect.

    Again, a 26% decline in the % uninsured from the 2013 peak (18.0% down to 13.4%) is wonderful, but if that graph were to show the full scale, or even provide a Y that showed full coverage of 0%, that particular slide would be less sensational.

    Righteousness is a wide path. Self-righteousness is a bullhorn and a blindfold.

    by Murphoney on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:09:45 AM PDT

  •  It looks even BETTER if we say: 30 % REDUCTION (0+ / 0-)

    in "The Uninsured ..."

    What a Victory !!

    And in return all we had to do was give the Republicans a club with which to belabor the president ...  and by extension all Democratic  mid-term candidates ...  until the law is repealed or found unconstitutional -- in other words --'Forever.'

    All WE have to do is weather the chaos and confusion in the health insurance and medical care markets which providers have caused so as to claw back some of the advantages they lost to the ACA.
    (Do YOU know what a "narrow network" is ? How it works and why your primary care provider may not be on it ?  I'll bet you didn't see THAT one coming.  I'm sure President Obama didn't, because he, a relatively honest person, carries on as if he thought everyone else is at least as forthright and plain-dealing as himself --  at least that's what I hope.  )

    And in the longer term?  .

    Single-payer?  In your DREAMS Bernie Sanders !
    We're NOT geting any dam 'Socialistical Grabby Government Single Payer " system -- for the next generation or two.  This assumes there still will BE 'subsidies' and 'entitlements' for Natural Born Persons in the next generation or two  -- Goddess Willing, and-the-Oceans-Don't-Rise.

    We just have to accept

    That the medical care industry will remain fragmented and profit driven

    That employer-provided (and negotiated)  health insurance will be the universal norm for working Americans.

    That Insurance companies will be guaranteed their profits at a 20% markup instead of 30% one.

    And the money to pay for the subsidies will NOT be coming out of a special tax on the uber rich's wealth, or on high speed stock speculation transactions.

    "I, for one, CELEBRATE, the coming of our Corporate Overlords."

    •  CORPORATE OVERLORDS GUY The US doesn't have a g... (0+ / 0-)

      CORPORATE OVERLORDS GUY

      The US doesn't have a generation or two left of existence. A nation seeking independence from a crown so they can turn around and own slaves was not meant to last this long. Well,well past its use by date. Phony idea since it's inception.

  •  LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA (1+ / 0-)
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    pillowfort

    "What could possibly go wrong?" - United States Supreme Court Justices

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:47:58 AM PDT

  •  the President needs to too his own horn (0+ / 0-)

    on this, and all the other strong economy signs, the unemployment rate, the Dow, and so on. I really would like to hear him talk these up, but I don't expect to.

  •  I recently lost a job. My cobra coverage was 15... (0+ / 0-)

    I recently lost a job. My cobra coverage was 1500 monthly for a high deductible plan. Per the mn blue cross website I can get decent family coverage for 625 per month without subsidy. How is that a failure. Better coverage at lower cost.

  •  But it's helping the WRONG kinds of people (0+ / 0-)

    Not the people Republicans care about. Wait, they already had insurance.

  •  Obama care not so affordable (1+ / 0-)
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    I lost my husband, and to keep my healthcare plan the cobra was 500/mo. For me, that is way too expensive. Obamacare was 600+  for a similar plan and no subsidy, so I just think it is not affordable. I am in Montana, and our wages are notoriously low. Those prices are for one person.

    The somewhat affordable plans had 10k dollar deductables and 50% copays. To me, that is not worth the paper it is written on. Why pay 200.00 a month for that?

    My opinion is that we need a single payer system. The 'not so affordable care act' is a giveaway to the insurance industry. I hear it is great for the very poor if the state you live in expanded medicaid, and lousy for them if the state didn't.

    For the middling wage worker, however, I think it is just not affordable.

  •  I just had a major run-in with a brain-dead Fak... (0+ / 0-)

    I just had a major run-in with a brain-dead Fakes News character yesterday over Obamacare. You just cannot get through to the uninformed

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