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I live in the south, and thusly I have a lot of conservatives in my social network.  They share stupid little notes about how awful liberalism is.  The current one is this charming little number complaining about the horrors of food stamp abuse.  I have had the classic discussion about the numbers, data, information, and statistics.  I am done with trying to educate them.  I am just going to start calling them out on what its really about.  
 It's not about what works or whats right.  It's about something else.  The simple fact is if conservatives gave a shit about the money they would be bitching about the department of defense. They argue that the this thing that helps a HUGE number of people who otherwise would just be hungry is a bad thing because a significantly smaller number of people do a bad thing. That logic is flawed. But it isn't about the money, logic, or reason.

They whine about how "you can buy lobster with food stamps."  The complain about "gourmet cakes."  They whine about how there are drug dealers with rims using food stamps (this one came from a cop - I am sure they know how to say this phrase "I thought I saw the suspect drop a packet of drugs so I conducted a terry stop."  Did they suddenly develop some ethics about lying in court?)  "The poor are getting money at the strip club."  Like there are a wide variety of ATM machines in the inner city.  They say "its about the money" but defend spending $550,000,000 a year on Marching bands.  It isn't the money. There are much bigger stacks of money else where that won't harm poor people. That isn't what they care about.

What they care about is smug superiority. The ability to look down on someone that, but for accidents of birth and circumstances, could be them. What they want is to make sure that people that they don't approve of suffer as much as possible - so the poor can get the appropriate level of misery for their viewing please. They want people to suffer. They want to be able to watch them suffer. They want to watch the pain. God forbid a poor person have the temporary pleasure of a bag of fucking Cheetos. Fuck that - they want to see the suffering. They like knowing that they could do something about it, and they like not doing anything about it even more.

What is it really about - the real reason? Because someone somewhere is doing something they don't approve of. "Fuck you kid - no power ranger birthday cake for you because your moms a stupid whore. If she didn't have sex with her boyfriend and then give birth to you she might not need food stamps. That will teach you not to be poor like her." They inevitably have no idea what poor is like and universally have incredibly shallow advice on how to do it. They will of tell you that of course the poor shouldn't buy lobster- Guess what? - basically, no one does. Don't buy "gourmet" cakes - fuck you - even a poor kid deserve a nice birthday cake.

They try to pretend its about the money. It isn't and they know it. Thats the lie they try to tell so they don't sound like a monster. The truth is they think the poor should suffer and any thing that alleviates that suffering should be as humiliating as possible. Because they want to make a point. They want poor people to KNOW they're poor and be reminded about it as much as possible. They want to make sure that the poor never forget, not for one moment, how much better they are. Since they are so much better they believe that they should be allowed to determine everything that the poors are allowed to eat.

Their entire argument is "a poor person somewhere is doing something I don't like, and to make sure that doesn't happen I don't care how many other people get hurt or suffer." What a petty attitude. They are like a petulant child - breaking things so no one else can play with them because they were mad at someone. So what if a poor person eats food that tastes good? So what if a janitor on the overnight cleaning crew wants a red bull so she can make it through the night? What a horror that a poor person has something in their life that isn't as miserable as you would like it to be.

Where is the line on what food is okay for poor people to eat. Lobster is obviously for non-poors. Candy is obviously not for the poors. comfort food cannot be allowed for the peasants. What about other fish? Is catfish ok for poor people or should they just stay out of the fish section? Should we just eliminate the produce section - no fresh vegetables - only frozen? Because fresh vegetables are for pet rabbits and worthwhile human beings?

I have an idea - maybe we could get rid of the entire program and just send poor people approved meal packs? Todays pack is the monday pack - 1 oatmeal. 1 vacuum sealed chicken breast, one packet of corn. And dinner is the good one tonight - pasta with spaghetti sauce. If we did that would they be okay with poor people having regular access to food?

 I am also entirely sure that at some point these people have whined about the "culture of dependence" and they want to tell people what to eat. Here is the real question- if they don't trust  the poor to pick the food they eat, how the hell do they expect them to be independent about anything else?

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  •  That smug superiority (7+ / 0-)

    is one of the major themes of Thorstein Veblen's most important book, The Theory of the Leisure Class, available on You can't understand politics without it.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 04:23:05 PM PDT

  •  It's always about the money. (5+ / 0-)

    You said so right here:

    The ability to look down on someone that, but for accidents of birth and circumstances, could be them
    and here:
    They like knowing that they could do something about it,
    and here:
    Their entire argument is "a poor person somewhere is doing something I don't like,
    Why do these feel the pathological need to feel better than others? Jeez, even the Koch brothers engage in this behavior.

    Because there is a deep void within their souls. And they're trying to fill it with money.

    An older wise very educated friend told me years ago, "grover, when you don't think it's about money, you're not looking hard enough. In American culture, it's always about money."

    Yeah, they're sociopaths. But power = money to them.

    © grover

    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 05:06:22 PM PDT

  •  Close but Too Many Words (3+ / 0-)
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    I have an idea - maybe we could get rid of the entire program and
    There is no "and." That sentence, their philosophy and their dreams end with the word "program."

    They oppose government promotion of the general welfare as a fundamental principle.

    And that explains why their intolerance for different ways did not lead their predecessors to try to overthrow the US government in 1861, nor (those that could even stand the idea of US independence) the British government in 1776. They were perfectly happy to leave it at secession in both cases.

    They don't care what makes a better society, they don't care what makes a better life for themselves, they don't care what reduces the threats to their children, none of that matters. What matters is that they don't have any governmental power over them or in their society making anything better or less worse for anybody in any way other than protecting from classically understood criminals and foreign threats.

    They also don't tolerate government regulation of business. It's a slightly different set of reasons but the general logic is the same.

    There's a lot behind why that is so, but none of it is any use in persuading them, its only value to us is to help us appreciate the motivational value of one message or another.

    It is a complete waste of time to offer better ideas or different logic or new discoveries. There is no valid purpose for them other than private pursuit of happiness and profit.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 05:07:10 PM PDT

    •  Actually, you give them too much credit (1+ / 0-)
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      as purists. They're not even that "good" - they are hypocrites, since most want the bad government to protect property, enforce private contracts, and many of them (the ones with the real power) - to continue to have a rigged money supply that inflates the financial sector, and so on.

      PS: yeah, it was too long. Tersify, tx.

  •  It's simple. They believe in a Mommy State (1+ / 0-)
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    that determines the daily meals of the poor, instead of a Free Market in which they can make their own choices.

  •  Well-said rant. Yes, I too am sick of these (6+ / 0-)

    smug assholes. And I think you're right - the "money" excuse is a cover they use to justify their inhumanity. Spot-on.

    Btw, I edited you tags so they would function better. First I've ever tags in a diary, hope you don't mind.

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    by jan4insight on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:19:33 PM PDT

  •  I followed the link. Plainly mean spirited and.... (4+ / 0-)
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    I followed the link. Plainly mean spirited and.small minded people in a feeding frenzy. I posted a link to the conservative nanny state ebook just to try and open minds.

  •  Good rant (4+ / 0-)
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    & I agree.

    Turning it around, I bet they wouldn't like it much if their boss told them exactly how they were allowed to spend their paycheck.

    They never seem to be able to see themselves in somebody else's shoes.

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias -- Stephen Colbert

    by ItsaMathJoke on Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 01:31:49 AM PDT

  •  It's ALWAYS been about this: (1+ / 0-)
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    What they care about is smug superiority. The ability to look down on someone...
    That's what racism was all about, having a whole demographic to look down on so they could feel smugly superior; so they could feel they're better than someone else and are free to tout it publicly.

    When racism was taken away from them (and they fought that loss) it's now the poor they look down on and fricking sociopaths like Paul Ryan give them permission to do it; they encourage it; they validate the worst of human traits so the greedy, the selfish, the smugly superior can rise to the ranks of "socially acceptable" when they should be shunned and shamed for their inhumanity. They know these traits have been locked out of acceptability in the past so they'll rally behind anyone who says it's now okay, it's now the way to be.

    Republicans focus on the worst human traits because these people have seen themselves as "victims" in the past; the "oppressed", and they're ecstatic that a political party has now "set them free" to be as racist, xenophobic, selfish and greedy as they please with the reward of smug superiority thrown in.

    It is sickening to watch them.

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    by Mopshell on Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 05:35:54 AM PDT

  •  As a native SoCalifornian who moved to the Sout... (1+ / 0-)
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    As a native SoCalifornian who moved to the South ten years ago, I can tell you, it's not about money, it's about race. As a white person, I've been shocked at the racist remarks that have been directed at me with a "wink and a nudge".

    I'm sure there are people in California that share these repugnant views, but I'm equally sure that those people would be more reticent about sharing those views with a stranger with whom the only thing they have in common is skin color.

    After a decade in the South, the conclusion I've reached is that the Union would be better off today if we'd let them secede when they wanted to.

    Too many here are still fighting the "War of Northern Aggression".

  •  Welcome to DKOS Fibinachi. Your first (1+ / 0-)
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    diary is both hard-hitting and an excellent take down on the inherent snobbishness of conservatives. Well done.

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