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While Republicans and their billionaire allies are very happy to politicize the crisis in the Veterans Administration medical system, they're not too anxious to do anything to fix it.
A House-Senate conference committee tasked with writing a compromise veterans’ health bill continues to struggle with a Congressional Budget Office cost estimate for what it will take to allow veterans to seek care from private health care providers and avoid notorious treatment delays at veterans’ medical centers.

[The] CBO has reduced its estimate by 15 percent to $38 billion per year, down from $50 billion, but Republicans are still keen on spending offsets while Democrats are urging a non-offset emergency designation for the bill.

Of course they don't want to solve this problem. Beating up on President Obama is much more important to them than taking care of veterans. Republicans only want to help veterans if they can take the money away from some other program and make someone else hurt. Chances are, the programs they would cut to fund the VA fixes would be other programs that veterans rely on, like foodstamps or housing assistance. Because for Republicans, a veteran's service only counts if she doesn't need any help when she gets home.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (48+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 11:53:38 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget (23+ / 0-)

    The Republican strategy for almost anything is to design something to break and then say "Look, it's broken! We told you it couldn't work."

  •  Are we admitting that the VA situation is a (2+ / 0-)
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    greenbell, RightLeaningMod

    disaster now? I got confused with the spin considering first it wasn't a problem, then it was just one facility, then it was the Republican's fault.

    Look, I tried to be reasonable...

    by campionrules on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 11:56:33 AM PDT

    •  From the beginning of when this story broke, (9+ / 0-)

      where did you read that any Democrat said it wasn't a problem?

      I read a lot of news stories every day, and I never saw that news story. Link?

      -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

      by sunbro on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 12:05:33 PM PDT

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      •  There was a time... (5+ / 0-)

        When the VA was working fine, because it hadn't exceeded it's capacity. Granted, that was years ago, and there were probably some sections of it that were overspending, but the VA DID work at one point. Excessive conflicts and improvements in technology have made our soldiers more prone to injury than death, which has overburdened a system that used to process more of its military people through the morgue than the ICU. War is a lot uglier when those wounded in it live on to tell the tale.

        Note: I am NOT suggesting that soldiers should be dying more, but that we should be fighting less.

    •  Huh? (8+ / 0-)

      Senator Obama knew there were problems at the VA and when he became President Obama, he put Shinseki in charge to poke into the eyes of republicans that ran Shinseki out of town for daring to speak the truth about the number of troops that would have been required in Iraq back in 2003.

      President Obama and General Shinseki knew about some elements of the problems at VA hospitals.

      However, it also appears that many senior hospital administrators simply lied about medical care results and waiting lists in order to receive bonuses for simply doing their jobs (for which they were failing).  This is the scandal and likely illegal activity.

      But in the end, it was amazing to see republicans agree that the only way to deliver more medical care is with more doctors.  Since the VA does not have more doctors, both republicans and democrats agree that using 'private' doctor & hospital facilities are what is needed right now in order to address the shortcomings.

      •  Well, some of us think that the "need" for private (10+ / 0-)

        docs is just a smokescreen for a creative way to dismantle the VA.  

        •  More Republican privatization. (1+ / 0-)
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          bobcat41702

          How much do the Republicans respect the Constitution?

          Revolutionary hero and Founder Benjamin Franklin established the post office, and it was a gov't system before there was a Constitution.

          The post office is specifically included in the Constitution as a gov't entity -- it is that fundamental a public necessity.

          The Republicans want to ignore that -- want to strip that out of the Constitution, without required Amendment, and privatize it for maximized profits, some of which profits will be kicked back to fund Republican political campaigns.

          And yet it is the Republicans who own the monopolies on patriotism [tm] and adherence to the Constitution [tm].

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:32:44 AM PDT

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      •  FromRedtoBlue: that's the Gee O Pee plan (4+ / 0-)
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        bobatkinson, laurnj, JerryNA, rabrock

        privatize VA care and show the world single payer can't work.

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 09:40:08 PM PDT

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      •  Private sector (2+ / 0-)
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        JuliathePoet, bobcat41702

        Long waits for service.
        Denial of service.
        People dying unnecessarily.

        Sounds just like private-sector health care.
        Why would Republicans object to this?

        "To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence." - Mark Twain

        by CaptainAnalog on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 07:12:35 PM PDT

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    •  It is not a new problem. (1+ / 0-)
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      bobcat41702

      This may be a paraphrase:

      "If the veteran isn't treated right, his sons won't want to fight." -- George Washington.

      During the"revolution," many troops were literally paid in IOUs.  

      After the "revolution" there was a depression, so the gov't couldn't pay out on the IOUs in full, despite the needs of the veterans.

      The private sector, with the help of Alexander Hamilton, went around and bought up the IOUs for pennies on the dollar, then got 100 pennies on the dollar for them from the gov't.

      If you pay attention -- this doesn't require a great deal of focus or time -- you'll note that the Republicans are always "strong on defense" -- unlike the Democrats.  Thus the Republicans are always defending, and demanding increases in, defense spending.  Which means buy more and more weaponry (while armored vehicles used in the line of fire by the troops are insufficiently armored).

      And always demanding a war somewhere.

      And never sending themselves or their own to fight in those wars.  As with G. DUI Bushit and Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney.

      And as you might recall, DURING the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, when the number of wounded, permanently maimed (and killed) troops was at its highest, the Bushit criminal enterprise CUT funding to the VA.

      And there was a scandal at the VA, in DC, concerning substandard treatment and neglect, during the Bushit occupation gov't.  Funny, isn't it, how Republican't defenders routinely practice selective amnesia? -- and how the actual memories of the actual facts are replaced with false accusations against any non-Republican't not suffering that voluntary Alzheimer's.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:27:37 AM PDT

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  •  Republicans don't want to solve ANYTHING. (15+ / 0-)

    They want to only keep blaming stuff on the President. They think that by doing that all summer they can get away with not governing and make Democrats lose.

    "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 12:05:57 PM PDT

    •  Beat me to it... (9+ / 0-)

      ...I was going to say they would much rather have the problem than any solution. They can bitch endlessly about Obama and, with the complicity of much of the media, never have to do a friggin' thing about fixing ANYTHING!

      "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

      by CanisMaximus on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 12:20:29 PM PDT

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      •  Unless the presient is a Republican. (3+ / 0-)

        Then any criticism is an act of treason because we are at war, you know!  

        "That being said, I do agree I am going to hell. But for other reasons. Mostly boring tax stuff ' Amy Pohler

        by Annie B on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 05:26:06 AM PDT

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      •  Irony? -- (1+ / 0-)
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        during the 1970s, a number of studies were done about the "bureaucracy problem".

        Each study arrived at the same conclusion:

        If you want to solve a problem, DON'T establish a bureaucracy.

        It seems that establishing a bureaucracy to solve a problem instead results in bureaucrats maintaining their jobs by maintaining the problem.

        So the Republicans want it both(?) ways:

        1.  Don't establish a bureaucracy to address and solve a problem, so as to --

        2.  Maintain the problem and blame it on their political opponents.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:39:19 AM PDT

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  •  Take it out of the Defense Budget (19+ / 0-)

    That's where it should be coming from anyway!

    "Reason is six-sevenths of treason," said one of his neighbors. "Intelligence is what the enemy uses," said another.

    by Misterpuff on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 04:38:39 PM PDT

    •  Well there you go, again (3+ / 0-)
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      jasan, dewtx, d3clark

      Really, applying common sense solutions to the VA's problems violates the beliefs of both parties. The Democrats have just tried harder.

      The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

      by llbear on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 04:53:25 PM PDT

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    •  Oh? You mean cancel the fighter jet that has (1+ / 0-)
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      dcnblues

      yet to fly -- except to fly out the door with BILLIONS in cost overruns -- and put that money into socialist health care for veterans instead?

      What are you, a Commie Nazi pinko Hippie faggy anti-American traitor?

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:42:34 AM PDT

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      •  YES!!! (2+ / 0-)
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        bobcat41702, JJustin

        Cancel the plane - we don't need a $35B brick.

        As for us being Commie Nazi pinko Hippie faggy anti-American?  

        Maybe, if you specify the America the GOP wishes us all to 'enjoy'... I'll have none of that tripe.

        The Rich and Spoiled 1%'ers are making the Biker Gang 1%'ers look a lot better than they used to.

        by dcnblues on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:24:00 PM PDT

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  •  Despicable, reprehensible, evil (13+ / 0-)

    First these f*ckers create veterans who need medical care with wars of choice based on deliberate lies.  Then they won't take care of the vets when they get home.  There needs to be a new circle of hell just for such people.

    As a disabled veteran who got good care - years ago - I am apoplectic whenever I read about this.

    Let's bring back the draft and see how these a*holes act when there is a chance their own kids or grand kids may be put in harms way or actually harmed.

    No I don't want anyone to actually be harmed in this thought experiment.  We need to stop immoral wars of choice.  And we need to clean up after our messes.  Here and abroad.  The republican a*holes might not agree but Iraqis (et al) are people too.

    •  Their kids won't get drafted (3+ / 0-)
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      NotStupidinTexas, d3clark, rabrock

      They'll get a deferment based on 'need' or stay in college until the danger's over.

      You reap what you sow. The Republicans sowed the Tea Party. It's harvest time.

      by MarcKyle64 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 05:12:30 PM PDT

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    •  And Cheney and his War Criminals Club are (2+ / 0-)
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      rabrock, silverfoxcruiser

      agitating for us to get involved in the same disaster again.  With that, we'd have more physically and mentally injured Veterans to dump on a system that is unable to care for all of them adequately now.  

      The Republicans use Veterans the way they use fetuses.  Both groups are wonderful while they serve the Republicans' purposes (fighting, protecting, limiting abortions, denying women the right to choose, etc.)  Then, when their usefulness is ended, they get dumped by the GOP.

      A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

      by d3clark on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 11:44:38 AM PDT

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    •  I'm a pacifist, and we agree: (0+ / 0-)
      As a disabled veteran who got good care - years ago - I am apoplectic whenever I read about this.
      Many veterans of the so-called "Greatest Generation" were fucked over by the system.

      Recall the treatment of the Atomic Veterans.

      And ignoring those facts so that we have Agent Orange veterans.

      And subsequent to those, major advances in battlefield medicine . . . which doesn't seem to be available at the VA.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:46:01 AM PDT

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  •  Spending offsets. (15+ / 0-)

    That's code for cut food stamps and school lunches. Its a military cost, you idiots, take it from the war chest. Every dime it costs to take care of vets should come from the war chest.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 04:46:51 PM PDT

  •  Could be solved with either side giving in. The (1+ / 0-)
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    llbear

    whole Congress is to blame.  repubs blame the dems for wanting to just spend money and dems blame the repubs for obstructing. Both sides locked in to their position.

    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubt." Bertrand Russell I'm very certain that is true. 10−122

    by thestructureguy on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 04:47:00 PM PDT

  •  This *is* a GOP problem, and we should make it so (11+ / 0-)

    BushCo authorized trillions for offense, off the books (so to speak)...

    ...and didn't think for one minute about the back end costs of dealing with the lifetime upkeep of the results of their folly.

    The VA was COMPLETELY IGNORED during the Bush administration, and it was only under Eric Shinseki that the VA bureaucracy began a turnabout.

    Do not think, for one moment, that there weren't a gaggle of GOP congresscritters with axes to grind against Shinseki.  He was right.  They (and the Cheney administration) were wrong.

    Is there a single vet here who remembers what dealing with the VA was like under Bushco lackey VA secretary Jim Nicholson?

    Give me a break.

    •  Pay for it the same way as the wars. Just sell ... (1+ / 0-)
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      bobatkinson

      Pay for it the same way as the wars. Just sell the bonds. Then, on top of helping vets it would also be 50 billion in stimulus.

    •  The Bushit criminal enterprise did not completely (0+ / 0-)

      ignore the VA.

      It CUT FUNDING to the VA DURING the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

      And ALSO gave massive tax cuts to those who DIDN'T need them.

      And DURING all that there was a scandal at the DC VA over NEGLECT of veterans who were then returning from Iraq.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:55:35 AM PDT

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  •  They will use the VA failure to "drown" government (5+ / 0-)
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    llbear, Capt Crunch, SGA, dewtx, laurnj

    Back to the Kochtopus strategy. They will do anything, no matter how abhorrent or destructive, to prove government works poorly or not at all, and should be eliminated.

  •  I think an executive action by (0+ / 0-)

    President Obama would help

  •  Private Health Care Providers? (4+ / 0-)
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    SGA, HM2Viking, laurnj, chickenfarmerwood
    A House-Senate conference committee tasked with writing a compromise veterans’ health bill continues to struggle with a Congressional Budget Office cost estimate for what it will take to allow veterans to seek care from private health care providers
    Are private health care providers really the best way to go?

    Seems to me we should just fix the VA by giving it the money, with strings attached of course, it needs to respond to the tidal wave of vets into the system.

    Oh, and let's not forget to, at the very least, fire the scum that falsified waiting list records.

    I would hate to see the VA privatized.

    •  Wasn't the VA established because We the (1+ / 0-)
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      dcnblues

      people owe direct services to those who perform the PUBLIC service/duty of fighting in the wars they don't start?

      Becaseu the PRIVATE sector has NEVER been reliable -- unless first paid enough to satisfy the lifestyles of the CEOs?

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:59:23 AM PDT

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  •  Purest BS (9+ / 0-)

    First the disclaimer:  I am a Vietnam veteran and a client of the VA healthcare system.  I have been treated by the VA for everything from a sliver in my finger to a cardiac triple by-pass.  I am only familiar with VA facilities in Rhode Island and Connecticut.

    That said, I have never been anything other than totally satisfied with my care by the VA.  I am convinced that the VA "scandal" is 99% driven by Republican frenzy to "prove" that government health care is unworkable.  Aided, I must add, by a lot of cowardly Democrats unwilling to risk...to risk...I don't know WHAT they think they're risking.    

     

    •  Excellent Krugman article echoing you (7+ / 0-)

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      But the goings-on at Veterans Affairs shouldn’t cause us to lose sight of a much bigger scandal: the almost surreal inefficiency and injustice of the American health care system as a whole. And it’s important to understand that the Veterans Affairs scandal, while real, is being hyped out of proportion by people whose real goal is to block reform of the larger system.
      ------------------
      Which brings us to veterans’ care. The system run by the Department of Veterans Affairs is not like the rest of American health care. It is, if you like, an island of socialized medicine, a miniature version of Britain’s National Health Service, in a privatized sea. And until the scandal broke, all indications were that it worked very well, providing high-quality care at low cost.

      No wonder, then, that right-wingers have seized on the scandal, viewing it as — to quote Dr. Ben Carson, a rising conservative star — “a gift from God.”

      So here’s what you need to know: It’s still true that Veterans Affairs provides excellent care, at low cost. Those waiting lists arise partly because so many veterans want care, but Congress has provided neither clear guidelines on who is entitled to coverage, nor sufficient resources to cover all applicants. And, yes, some officials appear to have responded to incentives to reduce waiting times by falsifying data.

  •  We know that republicans have (1+ / 0-)
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    no interest in actually helping veterans and their families, nor have they had any interest.

    Yet veteran organizations, and veterans themselves still flock to the polls to vote republicans.

    Look at how the military members and veterans worship Dick Cheney.  The Dick Cheney who had better things to do with his time that serve in Vietnam.

  •  Seen the GOP trying to solve anything since 09?? (0+ / 0-)

    Nothing but pure sabotage!

  •  FEE Based care already exists (1+ / 0-)
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    SGA

    It is just a boondoggle that drives cost up for the system.

  •  VA CAREnew progran (2+ / 0-)
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    d3clark, a gilas girl

    There is plenty of money to offset a new program.  Start and only use subsidies to big oil and farm subsidies.

  •  Republicans caused the VA problems (1+ / 0-)
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    d3clark

    by lying us into Iraq.  Now they want to apply disaster capitalism to privatize it.

  •  Rethuglican Switch and Bait (1+ / 0-)
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    d3clark

    The GOP and Tea Party took all the money to effectively run the VA and now they blame Obama and the Democrats for the lack of adequate function.  As a veteran, I think all politicos who took away funding should be forced to use the VA and no other source of medical insurance.  If that doesn't work then take all their wealth and put their families on welfare.

  •  It would be a helluva lot less expensive (1+ / 0-)
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    IdaMena2

    and alot better if they would just hire more VA doctors.  Outscourcing is outrageously expensive, they rip us off and nobody is watching them.

    This "Trickle Down" thing has turned out to be somebody pissing on my leg and tellin' me it's rainin'.

    by swtexas on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:00:34 PM PDT

    •  Literally 20-30% less expensive for same skills (1+ / 0-)
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      SGA

      The VA will be less expensive simply because of the business model.

      Farming out to for-profit healthcare has higher overhead costs than inside the VA.

      For many military-related illnesses and injuries such as prosthetics there aren't enough people.

      This is yet another GOP ideological battle that's the same as demonizing teachers because they're unionized, not because non-union teachers are better.

  •  My husband just died on July 7, a Vietnam Vet, (3+ / 0-)
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    100% service connected.  He was very ill for a very long time and used the VA healthcare system.  For the most part, they were very good.  There were some flaws in the system, in the 80's and 90's they pushed pills at vets to get them to go away, and some very important signs of my husband's real problems were missed.  Everything was treated like a mental problem.  I have had my own personal experiences with the VA, as I am 10% service connected.  I found if you were straight up honost with the docs and told them you were there to get real help and not a pain pill or a physciatric drug, they were honost with you.  I asked them if they could realisticly help me and they said no.  I said ok, so I got to live with it and I have.  But my husband, who was exposed alot to Agent Orange, had serious physical issues that were over looked until they became life threatening.  He was always treated like a malinger, someone to give valium to and send home.  In 2004, he lost all the toes on one foot because of neuropathy, and then in 2006 had a major heart attack and stroke.  He had evidence of kidney failure a year before, but nothing was done.  He was treated at a civilian hospital for the heart condition, which was later determined to be related to Agent Orange, as well as the neuropathy.  
    The problems in the VA are very long standing, going back many decades.  Funding has played a role, so has a lack of knowledge among doctors and staff as to the nature of issues brought about by modern warfare.  It isn't as simple as it used to be.  Civilian doctors can handle alot of things, but I doubt they could handle the issues of war as well.  My husband died at a local civilian hospital.  We live an hour and half away from a VA hospital and he was critically ill.  I doubt he would have even made it there, and had he, I doubt they would have been able to save him.  Years of either non treatment or insufficiant treatment added up to too many problems for his weary body to deal with.  His VA family practice doctor called and told me my care of him prolonged his life.  I wish I could have made it a better one too.  His last years were painful and hard. God bless all the new vets who now have to navigate healthcare in the VA now.  I hope they don't have to go through the maze we had to.

  •  Sorry if I sound bitter and ungrateful. (3+ / 0-)
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    I am not.  I reread what I wrote, and let me add, he did get really caring doctors, especially the last 8 years, and great care.  The VA LAMP program did alot to help us, got equipment for us that no one else in the system even knew was available, including a ramp, hospital bed, scooter, wheelchairs, and even a computer to send information to the VA and let them know how he was doing.  Truely, they were angels to us, I always knew if I had a problem I could go to them.  Not everyone can get in the LAMP program, we were lucky to have done so.  It is their job to help solve problems, and they do it better than anyone could.  Also, the DAV, who my husband belonged to assisted us with claims.  Really great people as well.  

  •  These guys don't want to (0+ / 0-)

    approve anything, except more money for themselves.

  •  Excellent.... The right-wing idiots are working... (0+ / 0-)

    Excellent.... The right-wing idiots are working towards their ultimate ousting. Tell all your friends and family to VOTE BLUE in 2014, lest we have more of this stupidity going forth.

  •  Everyone Yell (0+ / 0-)

    BENGHAZI!!!

    That's all they know how to do.

  •  I'm your man if you want to talk VA (2+ / 0-)
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     I spent 2 tours in Vietnam and have one agent orange cancer per tour, now that I'm 65.....I am 100% disabled & I can get NO MEDICATION!  YOU SAD, SAD SONS OF BITCHES WILL NOT LIVE UP TO THE CONTRACT I SWORE ALLEGIANCE TO 46 YEARS AGO!!!  ALL YOU PRICKS DO IS SEND POOR 18 YEAR OLDS TO WAR AND USE THEM (US) AS CHEMICAL COMPANY EXPERIMENTS!!!  You pricks start wars and fight to the last drop of MY BLOOD!!!  95% of you never served a day in the army, much less a combat zone  THEN PUT IT ON THE TAB.  WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING CARE OF THE REAL PATRIOTS WHO ACTUALLY WENT AND DID YOUR DIRTY DEED, YOU CAN'T FIND THE MONEY........ANYWHERE.......... NOW CRY ME A RIVER!!! YOU FUCKING CANNIBALS!!!!!!!

    •  My husband did two tours there too. (1+ / 0-)
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      He sometimes felt just like you do.  He spent 6 years in the army, got out, couldn't deal with civilian life because Vietnam had changed him.  So he joined the Navy, which is when I met him.  I was in the Navy too.  I have had my issues with the VA too, for myself and for him.  Especially for him.  Had he gotten proper treatment earlier, he may not have gotten as sick and he might be here with me now instead of me planning his funeral.  Alot of things promised to the military has been taken away, like free medical care for life for you and your spouse if you give us 20 years.  He gave 22 years of his life, and we had to pay for tricare.  When he retired we were discouraged from using the base hospital for medical care.  I went there once to the emergency room and was told we will treat you but you really need to get insurance!  We thought when we joined that it would be taken care of.  I don't believe anything anymore promised by the government.  They can take it away no matter how many times it is put in writing.  Right now I am worried about if I will get the VA pension that my husband and I were told I would get when he died.  It isn't automatic, he has to have died specificly from a service connected disorder.  If I don't I may lose my home.  I know other women who this has happened to.  There is no doubt in my mind he died of service connected causes but if the death certificate isn't worded right, I may not get it.  If they can find a way to keep it from you, they will.  

  •  If you are not (0+ / 0-)

    a rich contributor to the teatard republiCONs, you are not even a small elephant turd.

    The republicans only pay allegiance to their rich contributors.

  •  Of course they don't (0+ / 0-)

    They want to dismantle it... like they are trying to dismantle Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.  They want to Privatize it like they have done to prisons and public schools and are doing to the Post Office.  Notice a pattern....more privatization for US; more money for the greedy GOP and their Corporatocracy.

  •  My guess is... (0+ / 0-)

    the republicans are telling each other "All we need to do is nothing until we take the White House in 2016. Then WE can fix the issue and be heroes, unlike that black man squatting there now."

  •  FIXED -- (0+ / 0-)
    for Republicans, a veteran's service only counts if she doesn't need any help when she gets home.
    A veteran's service doesn't count, else the promises made to veterans would be kept.

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:16:18 AM PDT

  •  Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    don't want to solve anything.  That would defeat there premise that "gummint" is evil.

  •  Republicans have only one use for veterans.... (0+ / 0-)

    That's to send them into war. War is good for business especially those that produce war goods, ask Cheney, then when soldiers are thrust into these contrived wars some die and many many more return home with injuries both mental and physical and that's when they become an expense. That's when Republicon's look the other way. They're all for military personnel until they become a burden, then they say your on your own. Republican's have the morals of an ally cat.

  •  ANY veteran voting GOP in the November election... (0+ / 0-)

    Should head quick-like-a-bunny to their closest VA hospital or private health care provider to make sure that they don't have shit-for-brains as a result of fighting for their country. The Republicans have done virtually NOTHING to help the plight of our American heroes. Isn't it ironic that the conservatives claim to have a monopoly on Patriotism and Christianity, yet when it comes time to actually DO something to help veterans, they don't put their (well, taxpayer) money where their (big, lying) mouths are.

    Almost all of the Republicans in Congress voted repeatedly to underwrite the costs of two unbudgeted wars (the war with Iraq being totally bogus), to the tune of gazillions of dollars, yet they want to hem and haw and haggle over the $38 million it would cost to improve the VA's health care system. JUST ONE of our brave and selfless military veterans is worth MILLIONS more than THE ENTIRE GROUP of corrupt architects of those two conflicts, the warmongering fools of the Bush/Cheney regime. $38 million is a mere drop in the bucket when compared to other frivolous and wasteful spending on the part of our government. (Reducing the Defense budget and lowering Congressional pay come to mind when considering reducing government costs.)

    I repeat, ANY veteran and their families should have their collective heads examined if they even THINK about voting for a Republican candidate in the November election. The conservatives are blowing a lot of hot air and waving their flags to show that they support our veterans, but anybody with the sense God gave a goose should know by now that they're BIG, FAT LIARS.

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