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Emily Schultheis at The Atlantic asks "Why is Elizabeth Warren Campaigning in Red States." An excerpt:

Eleven days ago, West Virginia Democratic Senate candidate Natalie Tennant was brandishing a rifle in a local parade.

Today, she's standing next to liberal icon Elizabeth Warren on stage.
It may trigger some cognitive dissonance to picture Warren in one of the reddest states on the 2014 Senate map—but the freshman senator from Massachusetts has nothing to lose and everything to gain by helping out Democratic candidates in important races this year, particularly if she's considering a national campaign in 2016 or beyond.

She's proving that she can be a good Democratic soldier by helping the party where and when it needs her most, and she's proving that her appeal and the appeal of her populist message extends far beyond deep-blue Massachusetts.

While Warren has used her fundraising prowess to send pleas on behalf of many 2014 candidates, she's making more-frequent in-person appearances this summer, a trend her team says will continue through November. Monday's West Virginia event was Warren's fourth stop for a 2014 Senate candidate; she'll campaign with her fifth 2014 candidate, Representative Gary Peters, in Michigan on Friday.

Candidates such as Peters or Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon, for whom Warren raised money back in late May, seem much more of a natural fit. Others, like Tennant and Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes, appear less so.

But Warren's ability to move easily from blue states to red states is proof she has "become a serious player" on the national stage, said longtime Democratic consultant Bob Shrum.

"One thing that has become clear is that the caricature of her as somehow or other too far left is entirely wrong," he said. "She's campaigning in West Virginia, she's campaigning in Kentucky … the [campaign] people there are smart enough to know what's going to help them and what's going to hurt them."

Warren's star power was certainly on display in West Virginia on Monday, when she walked on stage to a standing ovation and deafening applause from the audience of more than 400 people, some of whom shouted things like "2016!" or "2020!" Much of her speech focused on the need to fight back against Wall Street and on the student-loan interest-rate legislation she's championed, both issues that played well with the crowd. […]


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2012California's 'special exemptions' act: The biggest threat you haven't heard of:

November 2012 will be a cataclysmic showdown between the forces of democracy and the forces of unlimited wealth. If we lose this, the plutocrats will be in charge and will be able to write their own rules to further the interests of Wall Street and the one percent. If we lose this fight, anti-democratic legislation will continue to sweep across the nation, overwhelming the grassroots support and small-dollar contributions of those who dare to fight against overwhelming odds.

And I'm not talking about the reelection campaign of Barack Obama. No, this battle to the death between moneyed interests and working people will play out in California in the form of Proposition 32. This measure, proponents say, would ban both corporate and union contributions for most political purposes and make citizens reign supreme. But progressives here have taken to calling it the "special exemptions act."



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On today's Kagro in the Morning show, After leading off with Daily Kos Kitchen Nightmares, Greg Dworkin rounded up headlines on the "radioactive" Common Core controversy, Santorum walking the populism tightrope, and how much Americans appear to hate "complicated" stuff. Obama Derangement Syndrome traps Republicans on Syria & Iraq, as well as Benghazi. Boehner's lawsuit makes Republicans look like whiners. Worse, it could end up empowering the Roberts SCOTUS far more than Congress. And don't forget to visit our sponsor, Harrys.com, where you can save $5 on your first order of fine shaving products with the "Kagro" promo code!



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  •  1,055,002 registered users on dKos now. (22+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

    Vetazy1285
    David2838sqn0
    jmansene
    Brain639z
    fatkitty13
    nationwideria
    Ryan3603apf6
    Francesulc60m (user #1,055,000)
    Joseph641k1jp3
    Donettauoi


    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #1,054,300: Ervintoi (already banned)
    #1,054,400: Leliaidx (already banned)
    #1,054,500: Lorrie084 (already banned)
    #1,054,600: John2580pbn8
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    #1,054,800: Stanleyzab (already banned)
    #1,054,900: Leandrogyp (already banned)
    #1,055,000: Francesulc60m

    We've added 781 more users in the last 24 hours.  There's definitely been a recent increase in spammers in the last couple weeks, and it seems to be getting even faster now.  This is getting a bit insane.


    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, here's "Weird Al" Yankovic's new song released just today, "Word Crimes"!  Soon to be the favorite song of English teachers everywhere.

    There will be no more updates from me until at least Sunday night, due to something called Netroots Nation.  8-)

  •  Just plain ol' fashion common sense, folks. (16+ / 0-)
    Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA), a retired obstetrician-gynecologist, claimed that “illegal migrants carrying deadly diseases such as swine flu, dengue fever, Ebola virus, and tuberculosis” represent a threat to American health and well-being.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

    Ebola viruses are found in Africa and possibly the Philippines. But that doesn't mean that we're out of the woods. As I pointed out on Breitbart, Africa and Central America are not that far apart. Hell, just look at a map. If you stand on the map, while in your backyard, wearing really large and fashionable glasses, you can see Africa from Honduras. And if you can see Africa, it stands to reason that Ebola, wearing knock-off glasses, is licking it's chops and looking back at you.

    Free Will is the only moral law.//If you have to explain snark, it's because it isn't working on one end or the other.

    by franklyn on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:32:38 PM PDT

  •  If Warren ran for President, I'd be a lot happier (11+ / 0-)

    and a lot more likely to participate than if the candidate is Clinton.

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    by UnaSpenser on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:34:47 PM PDT

    •  oh, she's running (10+ / 0-)

      I'm truly surprised more folks (and especially pundits) can't see that.  

      •  Has she been to Iowa or New Hampshite yet? (2+ / 0-)
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        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:49:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  maybe, but not 2016. (3+ / 0-)

        She's putting in the groundwork that builds for a later run. She's making a whole lot of people indebted to her right now, and she'll call in those chits when she needs to.

        This is what everyone on the republican side should be doing right now. People like Cruz, Paul, Walker... they should be working to get the party's top tier elected in 2014 and ready for 2016. They're all going at it too early.

        (Oh. Wait. The GOP has no top tier.)

        Screw John Galt. Who's John Doe?

        by Mike Kahlow on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:02:44 PM PDT

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      •  I so hope you're correct. I see Clinton (8+ / 0-)

        boosters in comments increasingly coming up with truly silly Rovian attacks against Warren, so it seems like they fear it. And why wouldn't Warren win in the primary? And in the general she'd be a great candidate, and I think win, despite what the naysayers say. I think they protein too much--darn spellcheck. Let's not underestimate the power of an excited base, especially given that Warren too is a woman. "It is time for a woman U.S. President" will not be lost on the consciousness of a majority of voters no matter which prevails in the primary.

        Sect. Clinton excites Wall Street and possibly her own immediate family. She's simply not a natural politician. She reminds me of Gore in that respect. Plus who really thinks they know the real Hillary? Does Hillary know herself anymore? At one time she proposed a better national health care system than the one we got, but that Hillary seems a thing of the past which she herself runs from under the guidance of Triangulating Bill. I get the feeling the HRC boosters are getting the sinking feeling it's happening again.

        I have no faith though that my wishes will come true, but I so hope you're correct.

        garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

        by Galtisalie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:08:19 PM PDT

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        •  What are the attacks on Warren? (2+ / 0-)
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          I would like to know because I don't like attacks on either candidate.  I'm not on all the time so have not seen these.  Please provide links as I would like to refute them. Thanks.  

          •  And I'm happy to look at these (0+ / 0-)

            If not already refuted.  I love to research issues !

          •  Sorry, it's late, and I am not going to provide (4+ / 0-)
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            links. I have spent a lot of time reading at Daily Kos today, so it would take some time and energy I don't wish to commit to look back over diaries to meet your request. The ones that stuck out today were that she was simply not "tough enough" and that "unlike Barack Obama, she is not doing her homework" on the full spectrum of issues that a president must encounter. She seems plenty tough to me, what with her pretty much single-handedly sticking it to the scamming banking and investment industries. And she seems to me to be highly energized to be a credible candidate who can do book learnin' and stuff like that, certainly the equal of any Republican she would go up against.  

            garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

            by Galtisalie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:01:59 PM PDT

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            •  Another was that she has not stopped (3+ / 0-)
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              some Massachusetts state policy that is not within the jurisdiction of a U.S. Senator, which led to several hide-rates and an ensuing boring debate over site policy for hide-rates.

              So those are the three that come to my tired mind from 7/15/14.

              garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

              by Galtisalie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:30:15 PM PDT

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          •  There are no attacks here that I've seen. (0+ / 0-)

            I like her a lot, but I don't think she's going to run, and would support Hillary when she does run. ("Hillary's terrific," she has said. Twice in one interview.)

            "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

            by Wildthumb on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:19:09 PM PDT

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        •  You can't say Warren w/o HRC. Let me tell you (1+ / 0-)
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          you haven't ever seen 2 great powerful wonderful women play this game. You can't compare it to the way the men played in the past. This is not the past.

          So B4 Warren or B4 Clinton, and leave H8 behind.

          That might just be my new sig line.

          Child forgotten in car? -- Use open source E-Z Baby Saver -- Andrew Pelham, 11yo inventor E-Z Baby Saver

          by 88kathy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:28:21 AM PDT

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          •  It's not H8, it's the truth. The Clinton boosters (1+ / 0-)
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            hide behind her inevitability and relatedly, her Wall Street money-raising abilities, and now apparently H8 allegations. Give me a break. I have thought a lot about H8 for a great deal of my lifetime. It's not my thing on many levels: http://gardenvarietydemocraticsocialist.com/....

            Malice toward none, but all the Hellraising that is necessary. You can play divide and conquer all you want, just like the right wing. Go ahead and red-bait next. Whatever. Clinton for many reasons might not win the Democratic primary if she runs. She is simply not the best candidate. Elections, and even primaries, are about choices.

            Clinton boosters apparently think her political opponents on the left, if they dare to raise their fingers to a keyboard, must only say nice things about her potential opponents. Sorry, it won't work.

            garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

            by Galtisalie on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 04:35:16 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Mark my words (5+ / 0-)

        I know, just a feeling in the bones but these not so young bones had the same feeling while watching a certain Senator from Illinois at the Democratic Convention in 04.
        Elizabeth Warren will be the next President of the United States.

        "When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two." - Nisargadatta Maharaj.

        by mkor7 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:36:12 PM PDT

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      •  i'd rather she wait until... (0+ / 0-)

        ...she has both sides of Congress working in her favor.  she can get more shit done without Republicans standing in her way.

        I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

        by blue drop on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:15:59 PM PDT

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    •  If I could read one comment about Warren for (3+ / 0-)
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      President w/o a putdown of Clinton in the same sentence, I might think Warren stood a chance. good grief must we always play politics of destruction.

      Child forgotten in car? -- Use open source E-Z Baby Saver -- Andrew Pelham, 11yo inventor E-Z Baby Saver

      by 88kathy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:25:22 AM PDT

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      •  Agree (2+ / 0-)
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        While I prefer Warren, I'd still be willing to settle for Clinton. It would be nice to see a return to more civil primary races that don't divide the party and harm us going into the GE.

        Contrary to recent conventional wisdom, those tactics don't turn out Dem voters or make them feel positive about the party. We don't need to hear "shut up and get on the bus", let's retire that message forever. It has no place in the Dem Party.

        Electing the first woman POTUS is an historic event, one all voters, but especially women, should be proud of.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 05:45:18 AM PDT

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    •  Elizabeth Warren is my ideal (0+ / 0-)

      If I weren't an atheist, I'd pray for an Elizabeth Warren presidency.  But half a loaf, which is what we have now, is better than none.  Vote Democrat, no matter who the party nominates.

      Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

      by BenFranklin99 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 03:04:52 AM PDT

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  •  The next time a Republican tries to tell you (16+ / 0-)

    their opposition to Immigration Reform isn't based on racism, show them this.

    Ann Coulter Posts Racially-Charged Critique Of Latino Host's New MSNBC Show:

    Jose Diaz-Balart's new program on MSNBC debuted Monday to a harsh review from a certain conservative firebrand.

    Not that anyone should have expected Ann Coulter to appreciate the work of the Cuban-American journalist who's shown a passion for immigration reform.

    Coulter fired off several derisive tweets directed at Diaz-Balart throughout the premiere of his eponymous program.

    When he conducted an emotional interview with a Honduran teenager who arrived in the United States a few months ago, which Diaz-Balart translated in realtime, Coulter implied that the young girl was faking her tears.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:35:44 PM PDT

  •  Very pleased to see Warren (20+ / 0-)

    doing what HRC should be doing, helping Democrats in tough races. I like the fact she's going to red states and spreading a Main Street message

  •  MSNBC: Immigration crisis (7+ / 0-)

    Once again, the immigration crisis dominated the news tonight.  Chris talked about it with Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-TX) and Chip Berlet.  Steve Kornacki, filling in for Rachel, talked with Jose Diaz-Balart.  Lawrence talked with Bishop Michael Olson, Cristina Jimenez, and E.J. Dionne.  Ed Schultz, finally back from vacation, talked with Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) and blasted Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-TX) for his latest nutty rant about immigration reform.




    Chris also talked about Sen. Mitch McConnell's (R-KY) reversal on Medicare with Brian Beutler.  He also had an update on what's happening in Gaza.  He talked with Phillip Agnew about all those Florida cops with ties to the KKK in just one town.  He talked about some laws criminalizing moms with Rebecca Traister, Lenore Skenazy, and Dorothy Roberts.

    Steve talked with Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) about the GOP trying to appeal to women voters.  He talked with Dave Helling about the latest developments in the Kansas governor's race.  And he unveiled a Hall of Fame of politicians giving repetitive canned responses, adding Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) to the list today.

    Lawrence talked about New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) with David Corn.  He talked about what's going on in Oakland to boost the future of black boys with Trymaine Lee and Mark Thompson.  He had a Rewrite segment for Rep. Renee Ellmers' (R-NC) comments about women and pie charts.  And he talked with Amelia Rose Earhart (no relation, if you're wondering) about her recent flight around the world.

    Ed talked about our crumbling infrastructure with Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx and Leo Gerard.  He talked about Dick Cheney back in the media spotlight with John Fugelsang and Holland Cooke.  And he looked at Wisconsin's bad jobs numbers with state rep. Peter Barca (D).

  •  God I hate packing (But ready to fly to DTW) (8+ / 0-)

    This is the part I hate.  I hate packing.  Especially now that bags cost $ and so I work to get everything into a carry on.  It's not that I couldn't cover a bag, it is that past experience of losing bags pisses me off.. plus I hate to wait in a terminal for a bag.

    I did however cheat as I sometimes do, and already UPS'd a box to myself at the Marriot.. it's just food stuff, the things I know I'll burn through that I don't want to carry into an airport.  Instant Oatmeal, bags of chex mix, toothpaste, showergel, razors, gum, that kind of stuff.

    And a surprise joking gift for one of the people I sponsored to go, so he can see it and laugh.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
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    by Chris Reeves on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:39:26 PM PDT

    •  Couldn't you buy some of that there? (3+ / 0-)
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      Plus, better hotels have toilet kits good for a few days.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:46:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm picky, plus... (6+ / 0-)

        I support my local grocery, and so getting large bags of mix at 70% off with my loyalty rewards is a good deal.  I often do this at conferences and find it both saves me money and let's me ship items I want rather than pick what hotels have.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
        >Follow @tmservo433

        by Chris Reeves on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:03:08 PM PDT

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        •  Understood (2+ / 0-)
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          Still, environmentally speaking it makes more sense to buy where you're currently "local". But if there aren't decent stores nearby or you don't have the time, you play it safe. Snacks are sacrosanct.

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:06:07 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah... if I'm going somewhere with nearby grocery (3+ / 0-)
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            I support those.   But I'm pretty picky.  Plus, since I'm renting a car, I'm trying to avoid tons of miles tracking around in the city for snacks I like.  :)

            Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
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            by Chris Reeves on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:10:22 PM PDT

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            •  Well, running mundane errands (1+ / 0-)
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              can be a pretty good way to get to know the real place you're visiting. I love checking out local supermarkets and shops wherever I travel.

              "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

              by kovie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:46:09 PM PDT

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              •  I get that :) (1+ / 0-)
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                Most of the conferences I attend in a year are technology oriented.  Go there, do the study, take a test.   You leave under near pressure of death feeling as though you've just lost out on something before you get around to being debriefed later.

                Old habbits die hard.   Years ago, I found myself in San Jose not knowing WTF anything was and just was completely annoyed at the idea of $2.50 vending machine gum at the hotel we were staying at, and I decided: yeah, this is over.

                Outside of that, complimentary razors/etc. have always tended to suck for me, and I value having the right thing.  

                I think if I could get into the mindset to think of it as a vacation (which I should be) I'd probably lay back more.. but some habits die hard.  :)

                Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
                >Follow @tmservo433

                by Chris Reeves on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:08:17 PM PDT

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    •  Um, you didn't you get the message that NN is g... (7+ / 0-)

      Um, you didn't you get the message that NN is going Nudist this year?

      Pack Light.

      •  Just a few shirts and pants.. (2+ / 0-)
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        But nudism?  I'm good to go then.   No shame in my game.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
        >Follow @tmservo433

        by Chris Reeves on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:36:42 PM PDT

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    •  So you're the person (1+ / 0-)
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      tmservo433

      with the enormous suitcase in the overhead bin taking up room that should be there for others? How nice!

      •  :) No.. not really (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't ever take space from the people in coach, and I always have a smaller bag, which is why I ship somethings ahead.

        Compared to people with huge bags who try to stuff them in :)   I only travel with my smallish (24x17x10) roller bag.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
        >Follow @tmservo433

        by Chris Reeves on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 06:10:32 AM PDT

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  •  So what does this mean? (9+ / 0-)

    After the Supreme Court seemed to deal a blow to affirmative action, the appeals court they sent the Fisher case back to seemed to give them the finger today.

    The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the University of Texas' consideration of race in its admissions process, writing in their 2-1 decision that the university's affirmative action practices are narrowly tailored to increasing diversity at the school. The case, Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin, had been vacated and remanded by the Supreme Court last year.

    "We are persuaded that to deny UT-Austin its limited use of race in its search for holistic diversity would hobble the richness of the educational experience in contradiction of the plain teachings of Bakke and Grutter," Judge Patrick Higginbotham wrote for the majority. More from Politico:

    Fisher says she'll appeal yet again.
  •  Down goes Talansky! (3+ / 0-)
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    Well, not really, today at least, as the Tour had a rest day. But so many riders have crashed this year, especially the top contenders like Talansky, that I can just hear Cosell/Olbermann announce it.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:44:37 PM PDT

  •  Portion of Great Lakes states lose appeal at (10+ / 0-)

    the Sixth Circuit over defense seeking water system partition to block Asian Carp in Mississippi and Illinois River system from invading the Great Lakes...bad news:

    http://www.startribune.com/...

    I tried to find this appeal order at the Sixth Circuit without success.

  •  Bob Shrum's got his finger on the pulse (7+ / 0-)

    Someone's pulse, I guess.

    Believe me, if I thought for one second Sen. Warren could (1) defeat HRC and (B) win nationally, I'd be fully in her corner.

    But as much as we might clap our hands, this is still 'Murrica.

    And she simply can't counter the GOP slime avalanche like Hillary can. Maybe I'm wrong.  I was once, I think.  :-)

    •  Hitchhiking his colon more likely nt (2+ / 0-)
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      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:54:49 PM PDT

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    •  Totally agree with ya (4+ / 0-)
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      But, dkos is populated by idealistic underdog supporters so....

      Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:55:45 PM PDT

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    •  And don't forget, thanks to Citizens United, (2+ / 0-)
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      whoever wins the Dem nomination is going to need a shit-load of money to overcome the Koch's, Sheldon Adelson, Wall Street etc etc, who always rain money down on the Republican candidate and against the Dem.

      Obama had the ability to raise enough money that he was able to negate the right wing money advantage. I don't know that E.W. could do that in a short amount of time..

      Citizens United is wrong and it should be repealed, but it's the world that we live in right now. You can't even begin to compete against the Republican cash machine without having a ton of money yourself.

      “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:03:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The problem with Hillary is simple: She's old and (1+ / 0-)
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      she's familiar and she's tied to the current administration.

      If 2016 finds the country in a happy-dance mood, those problems become assets, and she gets the George H.W. Bush treatment.

      Otherwise...not so much.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:14:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  While I don't reject all of what you say (3+ / 0-)
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        the part about her being tied to the Obama admin is minor. She was/is an icon independant from both BHO and WJC. She is like Cher, a one word name works just fine.

        Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

        by high uintas on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:26:01 PM PDT

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      •  So what if HRC wins the Dem nomination? (3+ / 0-)
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        Are you going to sit it out and be happy with president Jeb Bush?

        “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

        by Jeff Y on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:28:26 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Hell no (4+ / 0-)
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          Hillary, with all her faults, is several orders of magnitude superior to any Repub. Our job will be to get her a Democratic Congress and force her to govern like a New Dealer from an economic perspective

        •  There is no Republican (or other party) nominee (1+ / 0-)
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          and I do not yet know the state of the nation.

          It's been more than 30 years since I belonged to a political party (I was a Democrat in my younger days) and my votes don't always hinge on which candidate I prefer in a particular race.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:42:58 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  In other words, yes (0+ / 0-)

            Maybe you'll get lucky and Ralph Nader will run again.

            A president Jeb Bush would really be sticking it to Democrats and Hillary, wouldn't it?

            And if that happens and the usual happens with a Bush presidency (a stupid war) I'm going to coming looking for your ass so I can remind you of what you indirectly supported every day.

            “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

            by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:12:42 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  If we end up with Clinton vs. Bush in 2016 (1+ / 0-)
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              we have way bigger problems than getting the left out to vote. Your average, working class American is probably not going to be too excited about a race like that. It would just reinforce the "voting doesn't really matter" meme.

              Not to mention the fact that Hillary's worst nightmare should be running against a Republican that doesn't scare the shit out of everyone. The whole situation just seems like a recipe for low turnout overall.

              •  Amen to that. (1+ / 0-)
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                I'm still scratching my head over Hillary getting all the excitement.  This is 2014 and she is old news.  Where are the fresh new faces?

                Elizabeth Warren is one, but how can there be only one?

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:36:21 AM PDT

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              •  Apparently you slept through the last Bush (0+ / 0-)

                presidency.

                Hillary's worst nightmare should be running against a Republican that doesn't scare the shit out of everyone.

                “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

                by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:04:16 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

            •  Sticking it to Democrats? (0+ / 0-)

              Who cares about that?
              At some point, you have to care about the country.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:39:11 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  If handing the keys to the country over to (0+ / 0-)

                Republicans is your idea of caring about the country, maybe you should look into going somewhere else.

                Red State is over there --------------------------->>>>

                “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

                by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:58:59 PM PDT

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        •  Don't even start that crap (1+ / 0-)
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          Dem women will fight that authoritarian, abusive, sexist messaging.  It has no place in the Democratic Party, never should have been used during the Obama years. Send it back to the GOP and corporate CEO playbooks where you found it. Its history in this party. Got it?

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 06:10:53 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Authoritarian, abusive, sexist messaging? (0+ / 0-)

            What in the hell are you talking about?

            Did you miss 2008?
            For that matter, 1996?

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:37:45 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, 2008 is when it started (1+ / 0-)
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              By neolib campaign staff adopting divisive, negative, punitive messaging to members of their own party in an attempt to stifle discussion of important issues and public policy.

              2014 is when it ends. Dem women leaders and voters are in charge now and there's no place for abusive, authoritarian messaging.

              Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

              by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:44:49 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I'm not sure what messaging you are talking about (0+ / 0-)

                I thought it might be the reference to Hillary as old and familiar, a meme used against both John McCain and Bob Dole.

                It was used against Reagan, too...but not very effective in that case.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:48:54 AM PDT

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                •  No, I'm referring to (1+ / 0-)
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                  Meesaging of the "shut up and vote who we tell you to vote for, no discussion allowed" messaging.

                  It always reminds me of the bullying father or husband telling their wimmin how to vote.

                  Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

                  by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:20:45 AM PDT

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                  •  Oh! That makes a lot more sense. (1+ / 0-)
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                    And I agree completely.

                    Every time somebody brings up something like Nader in 2000 or "SO...you want to effectively vote for yadayadayada" I get very uppity.  I believe that votes are to be won, not commanded.  If somebody else gets votes that you wanted, it's because you didn't convince people to vote for you.

                    Nobody will ever take their ears from the sound of the money machine if we are kept that easily in line.

                    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                    by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:27:46 AM PDT

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    •  She can (6+ / 0-)
      Believe me, if I thought for one second Sen. Warren could (1) defeat HRC and (B) win nationally, I'd be fully in her corner.
      She can because she's a better choice for Democratic candidate in 16.  If she comes to Iowa she will almost immediately be launched in the press as going head to head with Clinton.  Narratives matter and that's one they won't be able to resist and for good reason for a change.  

      And I think you're very wrong about this;

      And she simply can't counter the GOP slime avalanche like Hillary can.
      Why not?  She will feel much more like a chance at something new.  "Countering" slime means winning people over to your side.  I think she'll be very good at that, actually.  

      When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

      by Sun dog on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:27:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I've been reading a lot of articles about Iowa (0+ / 0-)

        and 2016. Dem party bigwigs are thrilled that O'Malley has been out there to Iowa multiple times and has the backing of Harkin's people in Iowa which is exciting news. So far he's the only one making the trips on the D side. The bigwigs are itching to see Clinton out there and want her there sooner rather than later. Curious if she goes because Iowa gave her such fits last time around.

        With Warren if she goes to Iowa it's confirmation she's running, so she is going to put that off until she decides.

        Sinbad on dodging sniper fire in Bosnia - "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

        by askew on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 11:11:28 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Clinton will downplay Iowa if she can (0+ / 0-)

          She's hoping very much that she doesn't have to contest it.  I think, just like 08, it's the one opportunity to get in the game against her.  If Warren or anyone can draw her into a tough fight for Iowa again, I think her odds of becoming nominee decrease greatly.

          When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

          by Sun dog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:53:23 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  That's my thought as well. O'Malley is (1+ / 0-)
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            following the Obama playbook for Iowa pretty closely. Interesting to see that he has strong relations with Harkin's big fundraiser already.

            It's too early for Warren to make that move. I have faith that Iowans will do their best to give us a competitive primary again.

            Sinbad on dodging sniper fire in Bosnia - "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

            by askew on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:38:20 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Actually, Warren would be better able (0+ / 0-)

      To withstand GOP attacks. Her background and record are much more difficult for them to attack.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 05:59:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  LOL, with all of our differences... (4+ / 0-)
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    my Ron Paul friend and I can agree on one thing, Ben Shapiro is a total fuckwad.  :-)

    BTW, the Young Americans for Liberty is having their convention two weeks after Netroots Nation in Arlington, Virginia, and they've announced this lineup of thinkers so far.

    Rand Paul
    U.S. Senator

    Ron Paul
    Former U.S. Representative and presidential candidate

    Thomas Massie
    U.S. Representative

    Glenn Greenwald
    Journalist

    Tom Woods
    Bestselling author, historian

    Remy
    Musician, comedian

    Jeffrey Tucker
    CEO, Liberty.me

    Jack Hunter
    Editor, Rare.com

    Lawrence Reed
    President, Foundation for Economic Education

    David Boaz
    Executive Vice President, Cato Institute

    Matt Kibbe
    President, FreedomWorks

    Bruce Fein
    Attorney and constitutional scholar

    Mike Rothfeld
    President, SABER Communications

    Steve Sutton
    Vice President of Development, Leadership Institute

    If that name Jack Hunter looks familiar, it's because he was also known as the Southern Avenger, who wrote those incredibly racist things, praised Lincoln's assassination, and seems to be pro-secession.

    Oh, and the Leadership Institute helped give rise to ratfucker James O'Keefe.  Quite a rogues gallery they've got going there.................. and Glenn Greenwald.  :-\

  •  Worth a look: Change.org petition to SEC (2+ / 0-)
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     Improve FINRA's Process for Relisting After SEC Suspension

    Straightforward due process changes.  Maybe someone will even listen.

    -7.75 -4.67

    "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

    There are no Christians in foxholes.

    by Odysseus on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:55:08 PM PDT

  •  Warren is raising her national profile (13+ / 0-)

    and Wall St. is shitting bricks. ya gotta love it.

    You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

    by MikePhoenix on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:06:43 PM PDT

  •  WARREN IS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH (4+ / 0-)
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    There is no doubt that Warren will be a legitimate Presidential candidate.

    I just don't believe 2016 is her time.

    I personally believe in Hillary, that's just my opinion.

    •  Not every major player runs for president. (1+ / 0-)
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      Remember Mario Cuomo?

      I think she could just end up a high-profile liberal senator who's loved by a segment of the party.

      Which is something.

      (BTW: Is Al Franken ever going to start carrying the party banner? I get that he didn't want to appear to be above his main job of serving Minnesota but, at some point, seems like he has to go beyond that.)

      •  He's following the Hillary plan for the Senate. (1+ / 0-)
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        Sit in the background and don't anything substantial. I wish he was following the Obama model. He came in and used his star power to get stuff done. I already have 1 Senator who is more concerned about not making waves then about getting stuff done in Amy Klobuchar. I don't need a second one.

        Sinbad on dodging sniper fire in Bosnia - "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

        by askew on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:42:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  The CW is a Clinton-Warren ticket in 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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    The CW is a Clinton-Warren ticket in 2016

  •  Warren is the hottest political topic right now (9+ / 0-)

    I am avid when it comes to keeping up with politics. For the most part the news is boring and predictable.

    The republican controlled house obstructs and wastes taxpayer money demonizing Obama.

    Elizabeth Warren on the otherhand is a legitimate political powerhouse.

    And republicans should be scared because as much as they talk trash about Warren, she is galvanizing a formidable majority that is not afraid to neutralize Citizens United and SuperPacs with grassroots campaigning.

  •  Hillary sounding hawkish on the Daily Show. (4+ / 0-)
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    I watched Clinton on the Daily Show. She generally did well, as she always does. Some of her comments made me nervous.

    She started talking about how America needs to do a better job of telling our story to the world. She mentioned how we saved the world during and after WW2.

    I'm not old enough to remember Vietnam but I know ww2 was used to justify that and plenty of other American immoral, illegal acts of war. It was used to portray America as the good guys to give us cover for some nasty bullshit. To hear similar talk from Clinton is a little frightening. It reminds me of how quickly she compared Russia's action in the Ukraine to Nazi Germany. Is she stuck in a cold warrior mentality?

    Besides that, the idea that problems can be solved through "better branding" sounds like something I've heard from corporate consultants before.  ugh

  •  Yes, Elixabeth Warren is a serious player as.. (10+ / 0-)

    .described in the Atlantic article.

    Steve Kornacki sitting in for Rachel Maddow did some political history research on Eliazabeth Warren with regard to her ability to move around. Her populist message has appeal. It's powerful and people are listening.

     As reported by Emily Schultheis @ the Atlantic

    Warren's ability to move easily from blue states to red states is proof she has "become a serious player" on the national stage, said longtime Democratic consultant Bob Shrum.

    "One thing that has become clear is that the caricature of her as somehow or other too far left is entirely wrong," he said. "She's campaigning in West Virginia, she's campaigning in Kentucky … the [campaign] people there are smart enough to know what's going to help them and what's going to hurt them."

    Warren's star power was certainly on display in West Virginia on Monday,

    This is Steve Kornacki with some very interesting points on West Virginia including a case of strong resistance to Obama or AA's or both:
     (short ad - sorry)
    link to MSNBC Rachel Maddow w/ Steve Kornacki JUly 14, 2014: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/...
    2008 in West Virginia: Two in ten white voters said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote
    In 2012 a convicted prisoner named Keith Judd of Texarkana, Texas. That's Texarkana Federal corrections Institution ran against then President Obama in West Virginia and got  41% of the vote. President Obama got 59%

    Keith Judd's campaign slogan was: "A candidate with  conviction"
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Besides that though

    Too many Dems are running half scared and are afraid to challenge the "system" and are on the defensive.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Elizabeth Warrren is not one of those Dems. She has something good. She unequivocally touts her liberal/progressive creds and is unafraid to explain why this is a good thing for working folk.  
    Her populist message to working folk and take no crap about it is working. Dems should pay attention and try it. Break the norm and do it - imo

    Thx MB

    •  The country is in an economic populist mood. (5+ / 0-)

      People don't want a corporate, Wall Street candidate in '16. Unfortunately, Clinton can't pull that off believably.

    •  The Guardian does a good job debunking the idiocy (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JeffW

      ..and hate coming from the RWNJ's of the GOP
      Illegals and gangsters and Ebola, oh my! 5 conservative immigration myths of the moment, made sane: As lawmakers seek a solution to the border crisis, the hysterics have reached a new level. We separate punditry from reality

      Even Leprosy? SMH

      The source: Three weeks ago, one local news story out of South Texas led to a Drudge- and Fox News-fueled pile-on: chicken pox, TB, even swine flu. Then, "outbreak" – and now ...
      Reports of illegal migrants carrying deadly diseases such as swine flu, dengue fever, Ebola virus and tuberculosis are particularly concerning. Many of the children who are coming across the border also lack basic vaccinations such as those to prevent chicken pox or measles. This makes those Americans that are not vaccinated – and especially young children and the elderly – particularly susceptible.
      —Rep Phil Gingrey (R - Georgia), in a letter to the director of the Centers for Disease Control
      Sad to see so much fear & hate. We Dems have much to do to. This to me, this fear & hate is every bit as destructive as a disease on society - imo
    •  correx: Elizabeth Warren - sorry (0+ / 0-)
    •  I think part of it... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      will be how well she can actually help other Democrats in these races.  If Grimes loses even with an economically populist message (without mentioning coal), that may hinder any chance of Warren running.  If Grimes beats McConnell, though, Warren's star jumps up several notches.

      Now, if Warren can pull Tennant over Capito in West Virginia, holy cow.

      So basically, Elizabeth Warren fans should do EVERYTHING in their power to make sure Grimes and Tennant and every other Dem she campaigns for WINS.  At the end of the day, if you want to implement your agenda, you've gotta win enough elections.

      •  Warren pulling Tennant over the line (2+ / 0-)
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        would be unbelievable because West Virginia is as nasty as it gets for Dems these days. I'd believe that Warren could win the Presidency in such a scenario because her economic message will prove to have nationwide appeal, even in red states

  •  I SAY CITIZENS UNITED IS IRRELEVANT (4+ / 0-)

    in the past especially before the internet, advertisements were important to get a political message out there....

    I definitely believe that money is bad for politics but it's not the deciding factor.

    MONEY DOESN'T VOTE

    VOTERS VOTE!

    People looking for answers are paying close attention to EW!

    EW is going to inspire and energize change.

    •  I think that money controls much in politics, (3+ / 0-)
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      but I agree that inspiration and energy can trump money. I certainly am not drawn to HRC because of her superior ability to attract Wall Street money, which seems to be one of the pro-HRC talking points, ironically.

      Even many of the Tea-Partiers purport to hate Wall Street. The zeitgeist is to hate Wall Street. So the Dems are going to force themselves to nominate someone they don't really like because she can attract Wall Street support? Sounds like the kiss of death to me.

      But, I always like to throw in in a thread when I am pointing out how much I don't like HRC that I will still vote for her over any Republican, not out of party loyalty or any confidence in HRC to be anything other than a Jeb Bush-lite but because of SCOTUS, where I think she will in all likelihood be much better than any Republican.  

      garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

      by Galtisalie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:43:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  i heard the guy filling in for rachel talking with (4+ / 0-)

    a guy from one of the WV papers and they were pondering why a state had gone so republican since 1994.

    JESUS WEPT! IT'S THE FUCKING RADIO!

    how much suicidal useless analysis will go on with no clue of what's blasting the country from the rw think tanks

    since 1987 when reagan killed the fairness doctrine, sane music loving americans haven't been listening to it, and it's been kicking their ass, especially in states like west VA, where the talk radio bullshit works so well on poor people with few alts listening to their radio gods explain liberals want to take their freedoms to crawl around in coal mines without those marxist unions looking out for them.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:46:44 PM PDT

  •  BTW, about splitting California up... (0+ / 0-)

    into 6 states, watch this video to see how nutty some of the people who live in "Jefferson" are.  Hey, if they want to form a state and suddenly find themselves in utter fucking poverty...........

    •  The big money pushing CA split and Jefferson: (2+ / 0-)
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      Don't give a shit about the poor people in Jefferson, they just want to dilute the Senate by adding three Wyoming sized (by population) Republican States. The poor people in those Eastern California (proposed) States currently get lots of financial support from the Democratic and wealthier and far more populous parts of the current State of California. If they become States, they will be scraping the bottom of the bucket with the poorest States in the Nation. However, none of this matters because there will never be a split of California in my lifetime, it just is not going to happen.

      Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now 401.25 ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos". (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

      by Zinman on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 11:00:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  math? Congress? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        I was wondering about the Senate, and the population of the proposed 6 Californias. The current population of California is a bit over 38 million. With a roughly-even population split, each of the new Californias would have a bit over 6 million people. That would give EACH of them a population bigger than about 31 other states.

        States by population: http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        The Constitution doesn't allow redrawing state borders without the consent of Congress. With Congress now essentially evenly split, seems to me that neither party in Congress is going to agree to any California plan that has the remotest chance of benefiting the other side. And since both sides realize it's practically impossible to implement a new plan without unforeseen consequences, that means the 6 Californias plan won't get through Congress.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 05:09:07 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  But they are NOT evenly split by population (0+ / 0-)

          See this link:

          http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/...

          Note that West California would have a population of 11.6 million people. On the other end of the spectrum, Jefferson would have a population of 949 thousand people. The political result would be that West California would have 2 Democratic Senators, and Jefferson would have 2 Repuglican Senators. That is an example of how the Gerrymander works out to in this case. Jefferson would have 12.2 times more Senatorial representation per person than would West California. That is a win for the Repuglicans.

          The proposed split of California into 6 States will not happen. Nevertheless, it is important to see the proposal for what it is: a partisan politcal ploy designed to benefit Repuglicans.

          Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now 401.25 ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos". (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

          by Zinman on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 07:51:31 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  O's approval ratings are also going to be (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    happymisanthropy

    important. If he's mired in the 30s or the low 40s, whoever the nominee is (Clinton, Warren, etc.) will be facing a significant headwind due to party affiliation and due to the fact that both of them are very closely connected to Obama. Hillary was Obama's SOS and Warren doesn't exist politically without Obama's initial support (she was one of Obama's first financial watchdogs, plus received significant support from O in her Senate race)

  •  Liz knows it's long ball... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...and I suspect she knows that it may not be her "personality politics" that she's putting in play, but rather that it's her effort to put into play the active participation of an olde notion of Citizen as the foundation of a better nation, and her simple exhortation to the rest of us to read, learn, activate and participate, as her best Moment in Time.

  •  Sen. Warren is the SENIOR Senator from (3+ / 0-)
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    Massachusetts. I hope you don't make that mistake if and when she shows up at NN.

    SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

    by commonmass on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:55:48 PM PDT

  •  Catholic pedophilia news from Minnesota (2+ / 0-)
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    Church lawyer details cover-up claims on sex abuse
    [Quite a lot more at link, including how some coverups were done.]
    A canon lawyer alleging a widespread cover-up of clergy sex misconduct in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis has made her most detailed claims yet, accusing archbishops and their top staff of lying to the public and of ignoring the U.S. bishops' pledge to have no tolerance of priests who abuse.

    Jennifer Haselberger, who spent five years as Archbishop John Nienstedt's archivist and top adviser on Roman Catholic church law, also charged that the church used a chaotic system of record-keeping that helped conceal the backgrounds of guilty priests who remained on assignment.
    ~~~~~
    She is the highest-level official from a U.S. diocese to make claims of a cover-up. A canon lawyer educated at the Catholic University of Leuven, Belgium, she served as a judge on church tribunals in Minnesota and was trained through the U.S. bishops' conference on child safety and monitoring guilty clergy.

    Males in the church saying a highly educated and intelligent woman trained in canon law doesn't know what she's talking about coming in 5... 4... 3... 2....

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 02:02:46 AM PDT

  •  KKKarl's PAC is back in the news (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eric Nelson, LinSea
    Hobbled IRS can't stem 'dark money' flow
    [More at link.]
    When federal election lawyers decided the nonprofit Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies likely violated political spending limits, campaign finance watchdogs were certain the Internal Revenue Service would take action.

    After all, lawyers for the Federal Election Commission argued that Crossroads GPS, co-founded by Republican operatives Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, spent more on politics than anything else leading up to the 2010 election.

    Then the IRS tea party scandal exploded.

    Republicans in Congress began waylaying the IRS over what they said was the systematic and inexcusable targeting of tea party and conservative groups. And the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration declared that the agency had employed “inappropriate criteria” in heavily scrutinizing some groups' tax-exemption applications.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 02:06:17 AM PDT

  •  Parallel universe (1+ / 0-)
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    HeyMikey

    Warren in Shepherdstown on Monday. How quickly hope fades. The next day I am driving to work a few miles from where the Warren/Tennant rally occurred. What do I encounter. There on the lawn of our family friendly Sheetz convenience store are two Tea Baggers with large Impeach Obama signs. I dutifully honked my horn and gave the middle finger salute. When I arrived home I fired off a disparaging email to Sheetz about allowing such activities to occur on their property. Have not heard back. Wont be buying gas their anytime soon. Unfortunately, these types are rampant throughout the easternpanhandle. Without a massive gotv Tennant has no chance

  •  You won't see HRC campaign in Red America (0+ / 0-)

    I doubt she could pull a crowd in Arkansas.

    She will start with Loserville strategy.

    abandon the south,  abandon the mountain west,
    abandon the midwest, except Illinois and michigan.

    Then annoy people in the base states by cheering for more war, more drones, more bombing and telling them "If you want an apology, get another candidate".

    You want to see the HRC 2016 campaign, just replay 2000.

    Come off a 2 term Dem administration, put some fatigue in there, various scandals, and a insistence to pull towards the
    corporates and avoid the red states.

  •  bob shrum is quoted here. (0+ / 0-)

    I hope to G&d that Shrum isn't consulting for Senator Warren.

  •  W.V. seal and flag (0+ / 0-)
    West Virginia Democratic Senate candidate Natalie Tennant was brandishing a rifle in a local parade.
    there are 2 on our flag and seal and NT is our W.V. sec of State

    and our flagship university mascot carries one

    In Shambala I can see the forests & the trees

    by Joseph Westfall on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:45:59 AM PDT

  •  Is WVa REALLY a red state? I don't think so. (0+ / 0-)

    I grew up next to the northern panhandle of WVa. Yes, the state voted against Obama in 2008 & 2012, but that alone doesn't make it a red state; those defeats can mostly be chalked up to racist sentiment. They were wild about Hillary in '08, and maybe even wilder about awesome E.Warren this time. But Democrats have solidly dominated most of WVa for decades and have a very firm presence in local government throughout. Until 2008 with the pres, WVa has always been reliably blue. Has something changed dramatically in WVa? And if so, what?

    OWS (Occupy Pittsburgh) - REAL MOVEMENT of, by, for AND from the people!

    by waiting for lefty on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:04:28 AM PDT

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