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What's all the fuss about over what drugs to use for executions?

It's not like we don't know how to euthanize humanely. We've been doing it for decades.

One of my first jobs in my teens was as a Vet Tech so I participated in numerous pet euthanasias.

Most recently, the cat that adopted me finally became so infirmed, that no amount of hospice care would relieve her suffering. Sad trip to the vets.

After the vet examined her and agreed it was time (past time, probably), a very good nurse/technician administered a single intravenous injection while I held her cradled in my arms like a baby (our usual way). She slipped off to sleep safely and peacefully. The vet came back a couple of minutes later and verified she was gone.

There's only one reason I can think of for our current state of affairs in criminal executions ...

... as it has always been, people are using religion ("People are not animals!") to justify torturing to death anyone who disagrees with them.

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Should states use animal euthanasia drugs for humans?

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  •  I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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    alypsee1

    It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

    by Desert Rose on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 05:37:31 PM PDT

  •  States should not use animal euthanasia drugs, (6+ / 0-)

    or anything else for that matter, for executing humans. Period. Full stop.

    We can't think our way into a better way of living. We have to live our way into a better way of thinking. Claude AnShin Thomas

    by DaNang65 on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 05:38:43 PM PDT

  •  Well, today *is* Thursday.... (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, DaNang65, Alhambra

    Other than that, I got nothin.

    Words fail me.

    Inside of me are two dogs. One is mean and evil. The other is gentle and good. The two dogs fight all the time. Which dog wins? The one I feed the most.

    by bakeneko on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 05:40:34 PM PDT

  •  I voted yes, but I oppose the death penalty. (7+ / 0-)

    The reason I voted yes is because I believe people have a right to death with dignity if they have a terminal illness or certain other types of illness with an outcome of no possible treatment and no quality of life, and if this is the method they choose to end their lives with dignity, they should have a right to make that choice. In the case of a minor with a terminal illness, their parents or guardians should have the right to make that choice for them. Let's guarantee people the most humane way of dying.

    Human euthanasia for any other reason is out. No death penalty under any circumstances.

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    by Kitsap River on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 05:58:50 PM PDT

  •  What is the difference between the drugs (1+ / 0-)
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    nuclear winter solstice

    used to give an animal a painless death, or a person the same painless death?

     

  •  Oklahoma tried your suggestion (3+ / 0-)

    US convicted murderer executed with veterinary drug

    The drug, pentobarbitol, was then made unavailable for executions by the manufacturer.

    Ohio says it will switch to new drugs for executions

    (Reuters) - Ohio said on Monday that it does not have enough of the drug pentobarbital to carry out a scheduled execution next month, the latest U.S. state to face a scarcity after the European manufacturer banned its sale for lethal injections of prisoners sentenced to death.
    You should at least do a simple Google search before turning a half-baked idea into a Diary.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 06:13:35 PM PDT

    •  Thank You (0+ / 0-)

      Thank you for taking the time to admonish me for both of my first two "diaries" here.

      I appreciate your descent from the lofty heights of intellectual and chronological supremacy to intimidate me into abandoning these meager efforts to speak.

      Your wish to discourage gently now so as to save my sensitive feelings from the truly bloodthirsty remarks so part and parcel to the blogosphere is really very touching.

      Let me express my feelings in terms you'll understand...

      Back off, buddy. I'm a Democrat with an attitude!

      •  Your own haughty attitude does you no credit (0+ / 0-)

        You would do well to read the FAQ and consult with the New Users group about tone and technique. If you are willing to learn how to contribute effectively, you will be welcome. If you would like assistance, many, including me, will be glad to provide it.

        You do not seem to have grasped the import of my own sig, either.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 08:53:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

          I take things literally so you'll have to spell it out.

          •  Are you saying that there is some part of the word (0+ / 0-)

            logician that you do not understand?

            Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

            by Mokurai on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 09:34:38 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Okay (0+ / 0-)

              "Logician: noun; a person who is skilled in logic."

              Though not an academic, I would think 30+ years of programming would give me some modicum of skill in logical analysis myself.

              My point is, that your knowledge and experience is a valuable resource that I intend to make use of.

              However, that does not a superior human being (as your sig implies) make.

              Leadership can only be bestowed on one from followers.

              (Oh, this is going to be fun!)

              •  Oh, I get it (0+ / 0-)

                Your snark detector is off. So was it the word GOPbusters that gave you trouble?

                Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                by Mokurai on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 08:39:04 AM PDT

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                •  No (0+ / 0-)

                  It is the implication that being a logician makes one deserving of deference; that one is infallible.

                  A belief in infallibility is prim-a-fascia evidence of fallibility.

                  If this is a result of a lifetime of being ignored despite far more rigorous study of the issues than most, I can say that I feel your pain. Frustratingly though, I've found pointing that out to be counterproductive.

                  Several years at home have recently convinced me that it is beyond human capacity to work, care for a family and analyse issues enough to overcome all the misinformation to get to the truth. At least for most people.

                  I try to do the analysis for them and succinctly present my findings.

                  But I'm not infallible.

    •  Alright. I looked some of this up. (1+ / 0-)
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      DocSalvage

      Here's a link to PetMD

      A more extensive PetMD link here.

      It's disturbing to me that so many people are far more bothered by the perhaps "humane" killing of their pets than they are by the experimental torture in executing a human being.

      We're all just working for Pharaoh.

      by whl on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 11:12:57 PM PDT

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  •  I'm against the death penalty (1+ / 0-)
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    petesmom

    but if you have to do it, use an opiate overdose. The victim won't feel anything.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 08:53:49 PM PDT

  •  If they are going to do it, why the hell don't (0+ / 0-)

    they do it 'right'. Weird drug mixtures? How about heroin and cyanide? I oppose capital punishment as barbaric, antiquated and evil, but if the knuckle draggers persist on demanding it, do it right.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:12:06 PM PDT

  •  Here are all the "botches" (1+ / 0-)
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    DocSalvage

    http://m.theglobeandmail.com/...

    OH has had several.

    Terrible.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 03:35:58 AM PDT

  •  There's a reason vets can't (1+ / 0-)
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    DocSalvage

    let you take home "The Shot" to administer to a beloved pet when the time comes, even though that would be some people's choice when the time comes. Because "The Shot" can be used to kill people too.

    Government should not be in the business of killing people, so I understand the pharmaceutical industry's reluctance to sell such drugs to governments for that purpose. On the other hand, we will likely reach the consensus eventually that voluntary euthanasia is acceptable in certain circumstances, and "The Shot" is quick and effective.

    I am frankly surprised a challenge to the death penalty as cruel and unusual hasn't been filed by lawyers of one or more family members of those botched executions. Though this SCOTUS would probably not rule favorably. Perhaps soon we will have more liberal justices...

    There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

    by Joieau on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 08:09:20 AM PDT

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