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Islamic State completely destroyed the shrine of Nabi Yunus after telling local families to stay away and closing the roads to a distance of 500 metres from the shrine," said the official at the Sunni endowment, which manages Sunni religious affairs in Iraq.

The endowment official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, and Mosul residents told AFP it took the Sunni extremists an hour to rig the shrine with explosives.

"They first stopped people from praying in it, they fixed explosive charges around and inside it and then blew it up in front of a large gathering of people," said a witness who did not wish to give his name.

The endowment official said the Islamic State jihadist group that overran large swathes of northern and western Iraq last month have now destroyed or damaged 30 shrines, as well as 15 husseiniyas and mosques in and around Mosul.

Husseiniyas are Shiite places of worship that are also used as community centres.

The official listed the most notable losses to Muslim heritage as being the shrines of Imam Yahya Ibn al-Qassem, Aoun al-Din and Nabi Danial.

"But the worst destruction was of Nabi Yunus, which has been turned to dust," he said.

Prior to leveling the Nabi Yunus . the terrorist group has been taking sledge hammers to century old tombs through out Mosul. They are also massacring civilians in those areas of Iraq that they control.

Reporting by the Daily Mail

ISIS militants believe giving special veneration to tombs and relics is against the teachings of Islam.

Speaking of the latest attack, Ninevah official Zuhair Al-Chalabi, told IraqiNews.com: 'The elements of ISIS [have] controlled the mosque of the Prophet Younis in Mosul since they invaded the city.'

'[They] engaged in the process of tampering with the contents of the Mosque. It is still held by them until now.'  

The shrine of the Prophet Seth (Shayth) was also destroyed by rebels, according to reports.

These guys are bad news. I fear they are going to haunt the world for a very long time. Thanks George W. Bush for yet another catastrophe that can be tied directly to your incompetency.

These terrorists do not represent Islam. Even Al-Qaeda thinks they are psychopaths. Which reminds me, remember these guys in Afghanistan.

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    by Pakalolo on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 03:09:29 AM PDT

  •  So much suffering for the people of the (25+ / 0-)

    Middle East, how wretched to blow up tombs of the honored dead because you can.  

  •  reminds me of the Taliban blowing up the (39+ / 0-)

    Buddhist monuments.  Religious fanaticism is one of the major dangers facing the world today, not only Salafists but fundamentalist of any stripe today as I note very few religions today do not have blood on their hands in recent years.

    Iraq has already suffered the looting of its treasures during the US invasion and occupation as many artifacts from that region are now finding their way into the various auction houses and through private sales.  It is just my perception but there appears to be an uptick in the number and quality of Middle Eastern artifacts currently being offered on the world market.  Not only are looters a problem but victorious armies, on either side, tend to have sticky fingers. Only about 1% of the artifacts that were housed in museums before the American invasion are presently still in that setting.
    Here is some info:
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/...
    http://news.stanford.edu/...
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/...
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/...
     

    •  You should consider the motivation (18+ / 0-)

      This began with oil companies working with CIA assets who included warlords and Taliban to try and stabilize Afghanistan as a country to such a degree that it would be safe from bandits and religious fanatics blowing up infrastructure so they could lay their pipe.

      The Taliban demanded as their fee to perform this service, (that they take control of several different ethnic and religious factions by offering relief and aid for starving Afghan orphans and refugees), that the oil companies provide them with the necessary financing as they had in the war we waged with them against the Russians in which the mujahedin who were our allies suffered greatly.

      What happened next was that we reneged on the aid and instead gave large grants to Danish archaeologists who wanted to excavate tombs. From the locals perspective rich foreign invaders came to steal their cultural treasures rather than aid workers to help feed and clothe their starving kids.

      To make the point the Temples were fired on with artillery.

      Nothing is ever as simple as it seems in the Western media.

      "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

      by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:13:48 AM PDT

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      •  Ruined their architectural treasures to spite USA (2+ / 0-)
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        yeah, that figures.

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        by exlrrp on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:34:08 AM PDT

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        •  Their treasures were their people we destroyed (6+ / 0-)
          I did not want to destroy the Bamiyan Buddha. In fact, some foreigners came to me and said they would like to conduct the repair work of the Bamiyan Buddha that had been slightly damaged due to rains. This shocked me. I thought, these callous people have no regard for thousands of living human beings — the Afghans who are dying of hunger, but they are so concerned about non-living objects like the Buddha. This was extremely deplorable. That is why I ordered its destruction. Had they come for humanitarian work, I would have never ordered the Buddha’s destruction.  – Mullah Mohammed Omar

          "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

          by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:50:47 AM PDT

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          •  their treasures do not include the womenfolk (4+ / 0-)
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            who, when these Taliban were in charge, were regularly taken en masse by their owners to soccer stadiums to watch their insufficiently submissive sisters get shot in the head for supposed infractions.

            •  Don't confuse the Taliban with the Wahhabi (7+ / 0-)

              Mullah Mohammed Omar actually made a name for himself defending women from bandits and zealots.

              Afghanistan is not one big homogeneous culture. The Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek are the largest groups but there are many others.

              In the days when we were supplying the mujahedin that were fighting the Russians we armed bandits, drug dealers, jihadists, anybody that would cause problems in Afghanistan for the Russians including the northern alliance who were a coalition of warlords, anything but religiously motivated.

              Many of these groups had historic rivalries, hatreds and histories of turning on one another  for any real or perceived profit.

              One of the things we did was enlist the Saudi's for their oil field expertise in running pipelines and with them came the finacing of Osama bin Ladin whose family was heavily invested in the building of infrastructure like roads in the kingdom. Some of them were Wahhabi, and their first and foremost priority was to spread their ideas to Muslims in Afghanistan.

              For more than two centuries, Wahhabism has been Saudi Arabia's dominant faith. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism's explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Islamabad to Culver City, California. Here are excerpts from FRONTLINE's interviews with Mai Yamani, an anthropologist who studies Saudi society; Vali Nasr, an authority on Islamic fundamentalism; Maher Hathout, spokesperson for the Islamic Center of Southern California; and Ahmed Ali, a Shi'a Muslim from Saudi Arabia.
              After the Russians left the country was in chaos. Looking for someone to establish stability the Taliban appealed to the energy companies because they were Pashtun and represented both the largest ethnic group and the flatlanders whose turf was the most likely route for pipelines. They were religious but not like the Wahhabi.
              Due to the sudden initiation of the war, working government departments, police units, and a system of justice and accountability for the newly created Islamic State of Afghanistan did not have time to form. Atrocities were committed by individuals of the different armed factions while Kabul descended into lawlessness and chaos.[74][77] Because of the chaos, some leaders increasingly had only nominal control over their (sub-)commanders.[78] For civilians there was little security from murder, rape, and extortion.[78] An estimated 25,000 people died during the most intense period of bombardment by Hekmatyar's Hezb-i Islami and the Junbish-i Milli forces of Abdul Rashid Dostum, who had created an alliance with Hekmatyar in 1994.[77] Half a million people fled Afghanistan.[78]

              Southern and eastern Afghanistan were under the control of local commanders such as Gul Agha Sherzai and others. In 1994, the Taliban (a movement originating from Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-run religious schools for Afghan refugees in Pakistan) also developed in Afghanistan as a political-religious force.[79] The Taliban took control of Kabul and several provinces in southern and central Afghanistan in 1994 and forced the surrender of dozens of local Pashtun leaders.[78]

              One thing you have to give the Obama administration credit for is going to the middle managers rather than letting the lugals control all the pork. Entrepenurial efforts have at a cost of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars provided enough infrastructure to make the country governable in the vacinity of large cities on the ring road.

              Americans and Afghans both have no clue as to the big picture in that country. Some Afghans don't see us as any different from the British and the Russians, foreign infidal invaders with a lot of disgusting habits. Americans wonder what the hell are we doing there?

              Count the nuclear powers arrayed around Afghanistan Russia, China, India, Pakistan, the US, maybe Iran; who did I leave out? Its not a good place to leave an inviting power vaccum in the middle of a crisis over oil, gas and water.

              "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

              by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 08:07:36 AM PDT

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              •  skeptical (1+ / 0-)
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                Mullah Mohammed Omar actually made a name for himself defending women from bandits and zealots.
                got a link for that?

                you say:

                Don't confuse the Taliban with the Wahhabi
                but then you quote:
                Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.
                •  You should know all this stuff (3+ / 0-)
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                  Copying from the post above

                  Due to the sudden initiation of the war, working government departments, police units, and a system of justice and accountability for the newly created Islamic State of Afghanistan did not have time to form. Atrocities were committed by individuals of the different armed factions while Kabul descended into lawlessness and chaos.[74][77] Because of the chaos, some leaders increasingly had only nominal control over their (sub-)commanders.[78]

                  For civilians there was little security from murder, rape, and extortion.
                  [78] An estimated 25,000 people died during the most intense period of bombardment by Hekmatyar's Hezb-i Islami and the Junbish-i Milli forces of Abdul Rashid Dostum, who had created an alliance with Hekmatyar in 1994.[77] Half a million people fled Afghanistan.[78]

                  Southern and eastern Afghanistan were under the control of local commanders such as Gul Agha Sherzai and others.

                  In 1994, the Taliban (a movement originating from Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-run religious schools for Afghan refugees in Pakistan) also developed in Afghanistan as a political-religious force.[79]

                  The Taliban took control of Kabul and several provinces in southern and central Afghanistan in 1994 and forced the surrender of dozens of local Pashtun leaders.[78]

                  What gets left out in discussions of the Taliban is that the formed as a result of the nations anarchy to try and bring some law and order back and were about 60 madrassah students strong in 1994.

                  I was in Khamis Mushat on the border of Yemen in 1993 when I ran into one of the Pashtun Afghans trying to drum up support and we had a nice long chat.

                  I'd describe him and his movement as basically progressive except in that being in a totally lawless place they took the law into their own hands to try and do what was right and proper and restore enough law and order that women weren't being raped in public.

                  They summarily hanged the drug dealers, rapists, thieves, extortionists, and when they could the warlords and bandits that formed the northern alliance.

                  Following the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 and the collapse of Najibullah's Soviet-backed regime in 1992, the country fell into chaos as various mujahideen factions fought for control.

                  Omar returned to Singesar and founded a madrassah.[21] According to one legend, in 1994, he had a dream in which a woman told him: "We need your help; you must rise. You must end the chaos. Allah will help you."[21]

                  Mullah Omar started his movement with less than 50 armed madrassah students, known simply as the Taliban (Students). His recruits came from sand madrassahs in Afghanistan and from the Afghan refugee camps across the border in Pakistan.

                  They fought against the rampant corruption that had emerged in the civil war period and were initially welcomed by Afghans weary of warlord rule.

                  Reportedly, in early 1994, Omar led 30 men armed with 16 rifles to free youths who had been kidnapped and raped by a warlord, hanging the local commander from a tank gun barrel.

                  The youths were two young girls. His movement gained momentum through the year, and he quickly gathered recruits from Islamic schools. By November 1994, Omar's movement managed to capture the whole of the Kandahar Province and then captured Herat in September 1995.[22]

                  "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

                  by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:17:19 AM PDT

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                  •  Non Responsive (1+ / 0-)
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                    I already read your prior post. Let's not confuse volume of text with validity.

                    Mullah Mohammed Omar actually made a name for himself defending women from ... zealots.
                    He is a zealot, has imposed his zealotry on the women, and not a thing you have posted has contradicted that.

                    you say:

                    Don't confuse the Taliban with the Wahhabi
                    Can you identify any doctrinal differences re treatment iof women?

                    you say:

                    restore enough law and order that women weren't being raped in public.
                    OK.  So I guess that justifies confining them to lives of domestic servitude and house arrest and to only be raped at the whim of their masters.  Got it.
                    •  You said you read what I wrote so I'll be brief (1+ / 0-)
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                      Wahhabi Islam developed in Saudi Arabia in the 1990's. I was there. I saw how it worked. Essentially it was intended to create a more perfect religion with far fewer questions than arise in Islam generally, by being anal to the point of distraction about every possible dogma, usually taking the perspective that anything which wasn't perfect had to be destroyed.

                      Boys and girls had to be segregated especially as regards education and employment. For women the mandate was sit down and shut up, cover your head and be furniture.

                      Muhhamed Omar had nothing to do with Wahhabi  which was an ARAMCO import. He formed a movement to restore law and order whose recruits were often from madrassa schools, ie; educated to read and write in a largely illiterate land.

                      The two are essentially exact opposites.

                      "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

                      by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:03:21 AM PDT

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                      •  again non-responsive (0+ / 0-)
                        Can you identify any doctrinal differences re treatment of women?
                        Apparently not. You seem to think blathering is a substitute for facts.  The fact is that under the Taliban the women were treated as domestic servants and sex slaves.
                        •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                          The Taliban don't treat women any differently than most well educated people. The Wahhabi treat women as property like a gun, a dig, a horse a house or a car; actually they treat all of those things like they cared about them a lot so the analogy isn't exact.

                          In Saudi Arabia where the Wahhabi movement began inthe 90's boys and girls are segregated as children in schools and women wear what we used to call a ninja nun outfit, The Abaya is black fabric head to toe including over the face. To make a telephone call in a hotel the women squat behind the concierge desk so no one can see them. They wear their eyeglasses outside the face wrap part of the Burgua.

                          A woman walking alone on the street without an escort will so enrage a Wahhabi that he will pull his car over and get out an beat her on the spot. Women can't drive, they can't leave their compound without an escort.

                          Woman in Rihyad

                          Women in Jedah

                          Women in Dahrahn

                          Women in Khamis Mushat

                          Bedouin Women

                          Women in Jordan

                          Women in Iran

                          Women in Pakistan

                          Pashtun women in Afhanistan

                          "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

                          by rktect on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 12:32:16 PM PDT

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                        •  You know you should get out more (0+ / 0-)

                          Visit some of the places and people you are talking about.

                          In 1993 as the Taliban was just getting started I traveled around the world twice and in the process circumnavigated the Arabian peninsula as a part of my work.

                          There are places in Saudia Arabia where women are treated so badly that girls from the Philippines hired as maids are routinely raped and if they complain about it publicly executed.

                          The religion that allows that was exported to Afghanistan by US in an effort to bring in some people with experience running oil and gas pipelines through deserts.

                          Most Afghans are nice people and if you stayed with them you would find them extremely hospitable.

                          "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

                          by rktect on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 12:40:26 PM PDT

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          •  Just like I said (5+ / 0-)

            in other words: "I blew them up because I didn't like the work foreigners were doing to save them." (left unsaid: "they  didn't pay us enough")
            That statement would have some meaning if the Taliban actually did anything for the Afghans themselves besides oppress them.

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            by exlrrp on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 07:09:46 AM PDT

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            •  The motivation is the same (7+ / 0-)

              In both cases the structure would be considered haram. The Buddhas for depicting human figures.

              The tomb also offends the strict branch they belong to as being a shrine or grave providing a distraction from the proper study and practice of Islam. You can see the sort of scenario they object to in the (particularly Catholic) veneration of saints and the pilgrimages to their monuments. In Europe there were very many similar cases of iconoclasm during the Reformation. To take one example, Thomas A Becket's highly elaborate monument over his tomb in Canterbury was desecrated, looted and completely destroyed.

              The Saudis take the same view and their kings are buried in unmarked grave.

              "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

              by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 08:12:37 AM PDT

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              •  In religious monotheism the deity is sovereign (1+ / 0-)
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                Its intended to be in particular sovereign over all the other gods that might present a conflicting line of thought.

                Thus if the dogma is the sun revolves around the Earth and Galileo or some other scientist says "Hold on there the Earth revolves around the sun", the conflict may create doubts which are not good for anything based on faith.

                Likewise with Buddha.

                By deity let's imagine a supreme being which has many attributes we might think of as ideals. No one of those ideals should dominate or be thought of as personifying the aggregate of all of the ideals.

                Thus the clergy, whose jobs depend on people taking every word that comes out of their mouths as gospel, must fight against reform, and people espousing reform must tear down all the idols or ideals which stand in its way as sacred, well defined, universal and eternal.

                "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

                by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:35:10 AM PDT

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          •  So he blew them up? (3+ / 0-)

            sounds like a spiteful child.

            a smarter person would say.

            You want to fix this, first feed these people

          •  That is a COMPLETELY BULLSHIT excuse (5+ / 0-)

            for blowing up someone else's religious shrine.  If he were actually interested in helping

            the Afghans who are dying of hunger
            he could have decreed that anyone coming into the country to study cultural artifacts would be required to also bring humanitarian aid.

            Why are you uncritically repeating this obvious propaganda?

            •  I see it a little differently than you do (3+ / 0-)
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              I have met with and talked to some of the people who were involved. They weren't idealouges, but rather pragmatists trying to buid a movement espousing law and order in opposition to chaos in a very lawless failed state ruled by anarchy and chaos.

              Lets identify some of the players. You have the state department, the CIA, various aid groups, academics trying to document the languages and cultures, people trying to establish women's rights, markets for agriculture as opposed to drugs that depended on builing dependable roads and infrastructure just as clean elections did, the pentagon, various privated contractors developing contracts to build infrastructure, communications, power, energy pipelines, all of whom were in country trying to identify funding.

              The Taliban needed funding also but the graft and corruption among the warlords depended on any investment going through them rather than the Taliban.

              Things were political and the people in charge were all connected to or getting funding from neo-cons or worse, the saved again right wing evangelical American Taliban.

              IMHO Muhammed Omar wasn't spinning tall tails when he argued that Afghan kids were starving and freezing and the UIS needed to step up and make them priority number one if it wanted to ever win the peopl's hearts and minds.

              "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

              by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:48:54 AM PDT

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              •  non responsive straw man argument (0+ / 0-)
                IMHO Muhammed Omar wasn't spinning tall tails when he argued that Afghan kids were starving and freezing
                No one said that we was.  What I said was
                If he were actually interested in helping the Afghans who are dying of hunger he could have decreed that anyone coming into the country to study cultural artifacts would be required to also bring humanitarian aid.
                rather than blowing up said artifacts.
          •  Pardon me but I don't believe Omar's words. n/t (0+ / 0-)
            •  Based on what? (0+ / 0-)

              My experience has been that as a cultural thing people who believe in Islam avoid lying like we would avoid walking around in public naked.

              That's not to say they are not very often misinformed, absolutist, wrong, wrong, wrong; but in general their motivation is do what is right and proper, to do what is best, not necessarily as regards things in this world which they consider temporal, but to make things eternally better.

              Now having said that, their attitudes and values are very different from ours so they freely repudiate previous statements as wrong without taking what they said previously as a lie. They just admit they were wrong.

              I would allow that put as a proposition that here is something we might consider valuable, we would miss it when its gone, and we propose to destroy it so that you can see how we feel about our starving children whom we will also miss when they are gone, its not too different from Buddhists pouring gasoline over themselves and lighting a match, suicide bombers, and other cultural morality plays we seem to utterly miss the pointy of.

              "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

              by rktect on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 04:51:47 AM PDT

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    •  How much art would US Right Wing Christians (11+ / 0-)

      destroy if they controlled all of the levers of government.  Films would be banned, books would be burned, and thought provoking works of art would be trashed.  It is all the same motivation, just a matter of degree.  

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      by MrJersey on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 08:53:37 AM PDT

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      •  They are traditionalists (0+ / 0-)

        But not violent jihadists like Hamas, Boko Haram or ISIS. Big difference there.

        •  I'm sure the family of (2+ / 0-)
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          George Tiller would disagree.  

          Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City

          What follows is a detailed listing of major terrorist plots and racist rampages that have emerged from the American radical right in the years since Oklahoma City. These have included plans to bomb government buildings, banks, refineries, utilities, clinics, synagogues, mosques, memorials and bridges; to assassinate police officers, judges, politicians, civil rights figures and others; to rob banks, armored cars and other criminals; and to amass illegal machine guns, missiles, explosives and biological and chemical weapons. [Each of these plots aimed to make changes in America through the use of political violence.] Most contemplated the deaths of large numbers of people — in one case, as many as 30,000, or 10 times the number murdered on Sept. 11, 2001.
          It is quite an extensive list.
      •  How many ancient temples did early Christians (4+ / 0-)
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        Destroy?  They tried to obliterate the mystery cults, goddess worship etc as well as cannibalizing Roman and Greek buildings to build churches.

        Religious people who believe they have the One True Faith have a terrible record of destruction of others' shrines.  Everywhere.  For thousands of years.  

        The Taliban was a mixed bag, from all I have read Rketct is essentially correct as to their formation and motivations.  They tried to bring order to chaos, and we're initially welcomed.  But as time went on they were more brutal in enforcing order and much more austere than most Afghans seemed to want.  Pretty typical of theocracies.  

        Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

        by Mimikatz on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:48:59 AM PDT

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      •  MrJersey: pretty much all of it (4+ / 0-)
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        YucatanMan, BYw, blueoasis, MrJersey

        if they had their way.

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:12:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  We shouldn't lift a finger to interfere (10+ / 0-)

    ISIS has a right to ve violent and criminal and psychopathic.

    We can't stop them without hurting some of them and that would be a call to violence and violence cant ever solve a thing.

    Ever, ever, ever.

    We should just wait for them to run out of innocent people to kill.

    Just wait to die: that's the best policy.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 04:56:51 AM PDT

    •  The above is snark and I don't mean a (9+ / 0-)

      word of it.

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 04:57:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  In the United States and globally (1+ / 0-)
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        we are about to enter a sixth extinction which is entirely of our own doing because people are for whatever reason unable to deal with logically following an action through all of its consequences.

        Republicans are making themselves into lemmings and following eachother off the precipice of having alienated every single demographic except white billionaires for this very reason.Our right wing religious Taliban kills doctors who perform abortions as a part of their "right to life" practice without seeing the doctor and the woman needing the abortion as having a right to life as well.

        If I had the ability to save all of the innocent people whose lives have been wasted for stupid reasons, I would probably have to consider how that effort would affect over population, pollution and resource war and the ever nearer extermination of our species along with everything else that walks or crawls, swims or flies over this planet.

        If I could heal all the sick and extend their lives, avoid all the car crashes, gun fails, stupid accidents like people slipping in the tub and lying there unable to move until they starve to death because they are elderly and nobody ever comes to their home to visit them, I really wouldn't.

        "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

        by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:40:13 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  We shouldn't lift a finger but other Iraqis are (0+ / 0-)

      Entitled to meet an invading force with force and resist militarily to protect their lands and holy places.  And to call on military help from their allies, who happen to be the Iranians.  Aren't those the rules in the ME?

      Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

      by Mimikatz on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:52:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Another wonderful consequence of Bush Inc. (17+ / 0-)

    This is a direct result of the Bush administration weakening Iraq. This kind if sectarian violence and destruction of historical sites and artifacts is something else predicted by liberals but scoffed at by the "experts" and warhawks in government and on cable news. I'm tired of being right but even more tired of that never being acknowledged by our "liberal media".

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 04:57:34 AM PDT

    •  We can look to other factionalized nations with (4+ / 0-)
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      wanted natural resources to see what will inevitably happen to the Middle East when the oil runs out.

      We need to stop exporting people with guns. And bring home whatever we need to get the bases closed.

    •  The narrative will probably always be (10+ / 0-)

      that Repubs are "strong on defense", even though they absolutely suck at it, because they are always willing, even eager, to send OTHER peoples' kids off to kill and die for them. The media, being composed of people who themselves never served and probably feel a little ashamed about it, are all too eager to help Repubs along with the obvious chest-beating overcompensation. Plus, it makes for much more exciting news coverage than Kate's baby.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:15:47 AM PDT

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    •  "Interventions," providing endless blowback (1+ / 0-)
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      for over 70 years!

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:42:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's shared (4+ / 0-)
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      Iraq was destroyed by Dubya, but ISIS was helped along by Obama.
         Remember, ISIS started in Syria.

      "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

      by gjohnsit on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:56:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  so now you're gonna say not sending GIs to Syria (0+ / 0-)

        is the reason ISIS is so strong?

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:16:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  No. Arming rebel factions was wrong. (5+ / 0-)
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          When there's a fire, the only response is to spray water, not throw gasoline on it.

          Obama made these decisions. It's on him. Of course, Hillary wanted to go further. That's a credit to Obama - he's not nearly the war monger that Hillary is.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:37:53 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  That's like comparing ant hills (1+ / 0-)
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        To the Rocky Mountains.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:22:15 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Always have find some way to blame (1+ / 0-)
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          Obama.

          Obama 2012 http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

          by jiffypop on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:24:54 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Obama helped arm ISIS (2+ / 0-)
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            Three years ago ISIS was just another group of crazy fanatics in Syria's civil war.
              Then, with the fall of Gaddafi in Libya, we started buying weapons from the militias (which are now destroying Libya) and shipping them to Syria.

             in October we reported evidence indicating that U.S. agents — particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens — were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.
             It was reported last year in the NYT that weapons going to Syrian rebels were going primarily to jihadists. So it's not like this news was withheld.
               But the BIG NEWS, and this is the point you need to pay attention to, was the legal move Obama made last year:
             President Obama waived a provision of federal law designed to prevent the supply of arms to terrorist groups to clear the way for the U.S. to provide military assistance to “vetted” opposition groups fighting Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.
            Why would Obama have done that if he wasn't aware that our weapons were going to terrorists, huh?
               The obvious answer is that he knew full well that this was happening. Within 9 months of this, ISIS took over northern Iraq.
               And then, despite he horrendous outcomes of these policies, about a month ago Obama asked for another $500 million to arm these very same rebels.

              These are facts, and they can't be denied.

            "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

            by gjohnsit on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:49:24 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Perhaps an Islamic Popular Front? (0+ / 0-)

    ...take a page from the 1930's:  all right minded people ought to oppose this. The fascist threat united Conservatives, Liberals & Communists together into an alliance.  The Gulf states supporting ISIS ought to be scrutinized and sanctioned.

    This space for rent -- Cheap!

    by jds1978 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 05:37:40 AM PDT

  •  See , there is a god. (2+ / 0-)
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    Just more proof, that god does exist.  This is another wonderful example of why religion and those who use it to their advantage are nothing but a load of crap.

    So, in their words "god is why"   why would god ?

    " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 05:51:54 AM PDT

  •  Let's be real (0+ / 0-)

    ISIS blows up ancient tourist trap.

    And as the song and dance begins, the children play at home with needles, needles and pins.

    by The Lone Apple on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:00:44 AM PDT

  •  So basically, Cheney's failure is near complete (14+ / 0-)

    We attacked Iraq, got rid of one dictator, killed or caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, completely destabilized the country and region, and now the Iraqi version of the Taliban is slowly taking over a large part of the country. All because the most incompetent civil servant in the history of the republic needed to overcompensate for having a tiny dick or whatever.

    Don't let go of this one Lynn, he's a keeper!

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:12:10 AM PDT

    •  Considering PNAC's ultimate (6+ / 0-)

      goal was to "balkanize" the ME, one might consider it to be working. That the plan causes huge amounts of suffering and death matters not to these "Masters of the Universe".

      •  There's a reason they used to be called Team B (6+ / 0-)

        They frankly suck at what they claim to be good at in every possible way. That their "projects" have destroyed the lives of millions and made the US less safe seems not to matter in the slightest to them because in their minds, they've always been right even though they've constantly had to adapt the facts to their fantasies (or vice-versa) and been proven consistently wrong. These are people who have only a passing familiarity with reality or morality. It's as if you took all the world's serial killers and put them in a room and provided them with the means to carry out their nightmare fantasies. Literally.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:55:42 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  As long as the fat contracts keep coming in (2+ / 0-)
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          they couldn't care less who is harmed by their policies.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:19:07 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Which of course the media will never report on (1+ / 0-)
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            because it too is in on the grand con. War and violence are always great for ratings and ad revenue. Viewers just soak up all that fake "concern", with the sad and ominous music and voiceovers. And even if they weren't, they'd still stay silent because, being part of the power establishment, they don't want to rock the boat they're all on. Neocons, "defense" contractors, the NSA & CIA, big media, most of the GOP and much of our own party--they're all in on the grand con, one way or another, and have each others' back.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:49:59 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  What do they have to gain from destroying an (4+ / 0-)
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    Islamic shrine??  It's like the Baptists destroying the Shroud of Turin.  Don't get it.

    •  Destruction of a shrine instead of a population (1+ / 0-)
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      Is a more offensive way to make a point because individual human life has no value compared to the collective interest of Humanity in its religious icons and culture?

      "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

      by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:45:44 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Honestly (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm with you.  I don't get the collective horror and outrage.  Honestly I don't.  So they blew up a shrine.  I care nothing for shrines, or temples, or mosques, or churches.  As long as there are no people - live people, not ancient dead bodies - in harm's way, I say let the crazies blow up all the shrines they want.

        Not that wanton destruction is a good thing - but there are thousands of actual flesh-and-blood people being killed, lives and families being destroyed, and I'm afraid all my horror and outrage is dedicated to that destruction.  I've got none left for ancient corpses.

        "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression." -Thomas Paine

        by sierrak9s on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:59:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Architecturally understand the horror and outrage (4+ / 0-)

          get mad as hell when some corporation decides to bulldoze an historic building or primal unspoiled habitat to put up a parking lot, but thinking about where we are appearing to want to go with our resource wars, overpopulation and pollution, the extinction of species including our own is also a concern.

          Maybe less focus on defending ourselves against acts of terror militarily by taking out villages to facilitate the assassination of leaders, more focus on where those leaders are coming from.

          Allow for a moment that they aren't crazy

          Like the Boston massacre in our history violent repression  tends to have the effect of making what remains of some peoples lives worth less than the satisfaction of making a counterpoint.

          Blowing shit up, yourself and whomever else may be listening is designed to put more focus on the underlying problem causing the reaction.

          Our casually blowing shit up with drones which has no risk to us personally and can be done now from Nevada to places half a planet away is often countered both intellectually and physically with violence which requires 100 % personal risk and commitment.

          Historic Martyrdom can be very hard to overcome. Look at how long the Jesus cult has lasted.

          If we ask what motivated the leaders of the people receiving the attention on the ground to feel something really outrageous had to be done to get our attention, we find that our casual bombing of women and children, our killing with fire bombs, white phosphorus, nukes, embargo's of food, clothing shelter and medical supplies that target women and children just has gone over the top.

          "la vida no vale nada un lugar solita" "The Limits of Control Jim Jarmusch

          by rktect on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 07:33:32 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks for the reply - things to think on. (0+ / 0-)
    •  shrines (4+ / 0-)

      Islam proscribes idol worship; thus, no depictions of mohammed or god. Locals worship at shrines using indigenous practices, which often includes prostration to the saint, kissing the threshold, etc.. Salafists consider anything targeted at the saint instead of allah as idol-worship. This is also a major problem they have with Sufis and many south Asian Moslems.

    •  Because they believe that people are worshipping (5+ / 0-)

      or venerating these things and that make them (in their eyes) Haram (bad/sinful/against God)

      It doesn't matter to them the historical, architectural, and cultural, and identity value they have and serve.  The fact that some of these are are Shia shrines and which in their mind means that they are apostate, all the better to destroy it.

      Muslims are losing their heritage to these cretins.

      I also doubt girls are being allowed to play with dolls --- or maybe dolls with no eyes.

      Think puritans of New Enlgland.

      Also Christians did this as few years ago to Native American art work to get rid of the "bad juju" the supposedly Native American's brought to this land because they worshiped something other than the Christian god.

      Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

      by Clytemnestra on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 08:20:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Burning the American Flag (4+ / 0-)

      As I recall, back in the Vietnam days, one of the things that really upset the pro-war folks was burning an American Flag.  

      I mean, people could get shot for burning a flag.  

      Because for many people, the flag stood for something.  

      If you have the power to destroy an important symbol, it is almost like you can destroy the thing the symbol stands for.

      A shrine stands for something, in the same way.  It is why skin-heads paint swastikas on Jewish Synagogues.

      And maybe this is part of why the 9/11 attacks were so shocking -- attacking the symbols of American Power (Wall Street and the Pentagon.)

      •  Another thoughtful reply - you have a point. (0+ / 0-)
      •  this is precisely why it is not wise to (0+ / 0-)

        invest material things with sacredness: it makes you vulnerable to your enemies, who will use it to draw you into folly.

        as far as i am concerned, the pledge of allegiance is an idolatrous ritual, in violation of the 2nd commandment. for a long time, i thought i was the only person with that opinion, but i'm told the witnesses feel the same way.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:37:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  But only morons (0+ / 0-)

        Would get mad that a flag is burned, rather than a particular flag. You can always go and buy a new flag. You can't go and buy a new Tomb of Jonah.

        "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

        by jfern on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 01:45:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  They believe idolatry is a sin (4+ / 0-)

      They don't believe in shrines. Kind of see them as bowing down before graven images.   Salafists are a very austere and generally fanatic bunch who believe that killing no believers is not a sin but a commandment.   But there are episodes like this throughout history.  Google Albigensian heresy for starters.

      That said, there is no reason to belittle religion and/or believers generally because of the acts of fanatics.  Like belittling soccer fans because some are hooligans.

      Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

      by Mimikatz on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:01:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  ISIS has also ordered all women (3+ / 0-)
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    in Mosul to undergo female genital removal. They are removing all threats to their complete domination of the residents. The shrine may mean nothing to several commenting here but for those believers it was not just a physical site. It was not just a symbol. It embodied their god, or at the least a direct connection to their god, and destroying it is as much a loss for them as losing a parent.

    This loss is not about how we feel about religion and its symbols; it is the effect on those suffering the loss.

    "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Mohandas Gandhi

    by cv lurking gf on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 07:11:34 AM PDT

  •  What are these creatures so afraid of, that (3+ / 0-)

    they have to attack stones?

  •  topple House of Saud, and return Mecca to Turks? (0+ / 0-)

    Just brainstorming outside the box. :-)

    Private Saudis have funded so much extremism around the world, via mosques, madrasas, 'charity', funding various imams, etc. The line between conservative Salafi views and extremist groups like ISIS is not nearly as clear as the Saudi government claims or would like it to be. (Even if it were, conservative Salafi ideology is appalling to any informed liberal or progressive thinker.)

    •  Another reason to get off oil / gas: it funds Saud (1+ / 0-)
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      extremism. Therefore, Wahhabi / Taliban / al Qaeda / ISIS.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:23:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Absolutely! US oil $ ties to KSA r an ironic wedge (0+ / 0-)

        in right-wing US politics, one that Dems have been afraid or unable to capitalize on. (Perhaps in part due to our own contradictions, e.g. on being culturally-sensitive and politically-'correct'?)

        Becoming less dependent on fossil fuels helps, moving off it entirely would be transformative on many issues.

  •  Oh my God. (6+ / 0-)

    They're the Puritans (Cromwell's) with 21st-century arms.

    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 08:39:42 AM PDT

  •  It a shame a they destoyed a relic of history (0+ / 0-)

    But the tell of Jonah is probably a whale of tale,since thier is not a body of water ,near Mosul ,that  ever had held a whale

  •  Who's buried in Jonah's tomb? (1+ / 0-)
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    Grant?

    The 99% are watching.

    by unclejohn on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:23:09 AM PDT

  •  Dubya had a hand in it (3+ / 0-)
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    but Obama took it to the next level.
      ISIS is much more about Obama than about Dubya, I hate to say.

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:49:59 AM PDT

  •  well, at least (0+ / 0-)

    they told people to stay away. That's... Well its really not a good thing when the nicest stuff someone can say about you is you didn't kill people.

    No light, no dark, no up, no down. No life. No time. Without end. My people called it The Void. The Eternals called it The Howling. But some people call it The Tea Party.

    by kamrom on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 09:53:41 AM PDT

    •  kamrom: can't say that about ISIS (0+ / 0-)

      best you can give 'em is they warned people off the destruction of a temple.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:24:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The beauty of an Iraq free from (1+ / 0-)
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    a tyrant like Saddam Hussein.

  •  Middle East dictators (0+ / 0-)

    Democracy seems to be difficult in countries with violent extremists like Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan.  

    wall Street Casino is the root of the problem. Don't call them banks.

    by timber on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 11:42:08 AM PDT

  •  Kinda makes me wish there..... (0+ / 0-)

    .....was something we could do, like, I dunno, send in troops.

    The cost to our nation would be horrendous, but so is the cost to the world of these religious fanatics, destroying centuries-old sites.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 11:47:41 AM PDT

  •  What would happen in Egypt... (0+ / 0-)

    ...if some strident group took over. How long before they would be blowing up pyramids?

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