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It could happen. There are days when I feel I am getting close. But I pull back. I do not want to be like them. Hell, no.

But, if liberals became truly angry, would it be such a bad thing?

There is a lot to be angry about and anger does not seem to be a detriment to the rightwing cause.

The press really is against us. This is not paranoia or “playing the refs” like the other side does. In our case, it is true. Ever watch a Sunday morning network show, like “Meet the Press”?  When is the last time that someone who supports labor unions or opposes so-called “free trade” was even allowed to speak on one of these shows? And if one does accidently get booked, they are not allowed to speak very much; their voices are drowned out (literally) by the other five shouting heads at the table. The news media pretends there are two equal sides to every story, even when there is not, unless one of those sides is the liberal one. Unions? Forget it. “Free Trade”? There is no other side, according to them. Press bias against liberals? I never even heard that one discussed. Oh, and the “both sides do it and are equally to blame” meme, there is no other side. Do not even suggest that Republicans are obstructionist. They would not only shout you down, they would probably beat you up. This is a story that they will not report.

We have every right to be angry. Many of us are. But we are not permitted to show it.

I call myself a liberal, but I am not sure that I really am. I mean, my positions are reasonable and most are supported by the majority of the American people. Does that make me a moderate? Maybe. The nut cases have moved the goalposts so far that Ronald Reagan would be left of center to those jerks.

I wish that I could vote, just once in my life, for a candidate for President who was MORE liberal that me. I never have had that opportunity.

Yes, I am pissed. I am pissed at the Supreme Court. I am pissed at the House of Representatives. I am pissed at the Tea Party. And speaking of pissing, I would like the Republican Party to die so that I could piss on the grave. I will bring the keg and tap, if anyone wants to join me.  

Here is a dirty little secret. Opinion polls survey likely voters. There is good reason for this. They try to be predictive. Still, they rarely report non-selective polls, of all Americans. They should. Often. Because if all eligible voters exercised their franchise, the election results would be a hell of lot different. The Republican Party would disappear. And deservedly so.

Yes, I am angry. Folks like me, we should be permitted to be angry, once in awhile.

What in the hell has happened to this country?

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  •  I refuse to froth at the mouth and bite the dogs (18+ / 0-)

    "I decided it is better to scream. Silence is the real crime against humanity." Nadezhda Mandelstam

    by LaFeminista on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 02:28:55 AM PDT

  •  There's a difference between being AS angry AS (59+ / 0-)

    conservatives, and getting angry LIKE conservatives.

    There's no reason that sane and caring people shouldn't be as angry as any conservative blowhard pretends to be, but aiming to or allowing one's self to mimic them is not a constructive principle.

    Righteousness is a wide path. Self-righteousness is a bullhorn and a blindfold.

    by Murphoney on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 02:38:28 AM PDT

  •  We don't because we have the capacity to (22+ / 0-)

    see further than the step right in front of us.

    We get angry and have those thoughts of destructive revenge, as they do. The difference is that we then think about what would happen if we did what we want to do, and then we grit our teeth and step away for a minute.

    Speaking for this angry liberal, I see no way to fix this from within the system within the time we have left. The American people have laid back and accepted far more than I ever imagined that they would, and now it's too late.

    When you've lost the war, the best thing to do is to be as anonymous as possible.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 03:38:40 AM PDT

  •  I would much rather (12+ / 0-)

    that everyone who is liberal become as engaged in electing like-minded people and holding them as fiercely to a higher standard or face the consequences than worry about any other matter. Like even momentarily contemplating feeling free to express rage and anger co-equally with the Right being important. I get the feeling, I don't get dwelling on it for more than a moment, followed by a moment to get one's shit back together, and then back to taking the hill.

    I hope you feel better, and then quickly move on to something else. Reading the diary, I was driven to think about a number of things which is always a good thing as far as I am concerned.

    One thing about American liberalism I will never understand is the failure to universally see the value of filling government with office-holders in response to abuse, incompetence, and corruption. Note: I am not accusing the diarist of holding this view. At all. The diary made me reflect on things in my tent that nag at me. Like the notion that real power is something that a non-conservative should be philosophically above on some level. In a minority of the tent, but a minority that is large enough to aid the Right and the amen corner in the corporate media sector, anger doesn't translate into action. Anger is about letting the pipes out before they burst. Steam vents, and then the pipes cool back down to merely being very hot.

    Holding majorities is how you end the pain.

    The Right only understands the politics of the bloody nose, and the best bloody nose is ballot-box imposed impotence.

    Anger is not a tactical or a strategic tool if anger is where it begins and ends. If I had to recognize a difference between conservative and non-conservative political cultures and anger, it's that conservatism is more lucrative financially, as it is the blunt instrument of the richest and most powerful. But. Beyond that? I think that its clear that enough conservatives don't find venting to be cathardic enough to slake their ideological thirsts and ease their unease to aid the Koch Brothers in keeping the ramparts manned.  

    We don't really suffer from an anger gap, or a freedom to express anger gap.

    We suffer from a translating justified anger from anger into politicians in office deficiency. A fixation on electing like-minded minds to high office gap.

    What good is non-tactical or non-strategic rage beyond making one feel better for a finite amount of time?

    The Village being castrated, the GOP being vile, all are true. But they are enabled by those who stand on the other side of the wall far too often.

    The Democratic Party bears its share of the blame. You have to make an argument to win an argument. The 1990's era playbook is like the non-conservative version of zombie beltway lies about what is possible in America.

    But non-Conservative voters don't escape blame because the Democratic Party is timid, cowardly, and fixated on flinching from decades-old traumas inflicted by the Right and the Village.

    On some deep and damning level of the non-conservative psyche, venting and the catharsis of the release is good enough for too many people. A minority of people, I recognize. But a minority that is sizable enough to make things harder than they should or could be.

    Occupy Wall Street captured something simmering in America's middle class and working poor... and maddeningly didn't translate it into elections and candidates. That isn't the GOP's fault. The Village's fault. Or the Democratic Parties fault. That is a flaw in non-Conservative politics that is hobbling non-Conservative alternatives to the Right. Occupy was much more organic and much more in line with addressing what was killing the middle class than the Tea Party. But where the crowds decrying Wall Street changed the national conversation, the mobs of the angry bamboozled for billionaires went on to mob and mug Democrats at town halls. Occupy did change the conversation, and that was important, but it didn't transform itself from anger into an election-based movement. The much more inorganic to outright engineered by their actual oppressors, Tea Party put bodies in seats in Congress.

    Liberals are free to rage.  

    The Bush years certainly re-enforces that notion. Michael Moore's 911 film box office was fueled by it, his greatest success came because he rode like-minded liberal anger like a big wave surfer. The rise of the Netroots. The rejection of Third Wayism and DLCism. The new Populism. They are all evidence of liberals having had enough and not caring what gatekeepers and elites think of their intemperance and non-slavish devotion to civility meta. I have met scores of liberals over the years who are just as angry as any Tea Party member out there.

    But there are these weird and frustrating phenomenas, things that has been bothering me for my entire adult life.

    The Democratic Party is a legacy party that would kick ass if it tried to kick ass. The GOP doesn't like a fierce fight. It likes it when Democrats buy its myths that it shouldn't be messed with, or else, and then it folds like a wet paper bag when attacked. But. Legacy party. Still suffering from what Paul Krugman calls 'The Cringe". It doesn't have to be. It shouldn't be. But, in many ways, it remains a legacy party no matter how much evidence arises that the American public wants their policies and their world view to be the governing one.

    And that is because it is not forced to leave the 80's and 90's behind in many ways.

    As the GOP is enabled by Democrats being the opposition, sometimes the Evan Bayh Harold Ford wing of the Democratic party is enabled by the translating rage into office-holders gap. You have to have power to have power.  

    Sometimes people who are outside of conservatism express their rage by becoming disillusioned with the idea of elections having transformative consequences. Sometimes they conclude, rather mind-bogglingly, that a conservative era will be beneficial for liberalism, as they will fail so spectacularly that a great age of liberalism will spring from the ashes. A few conclude that staying home is sending a message. It is. "Ignore Me, I Don't Vote, I Say Both Parties are the Same, So You Don't Have To Give A Shit About My Views".

    I don't get the disconnect, wherever it may exist or manifest itself, between translating passion into tactical engagement. I think that has been a non-Conservative headache for my entire lifetime.

    When a lot of conservatives get really angry, they engage in anger. Retribution is about enforcing your will on those who you put in power.

    I am all for expressing rage and anger, and then moving on to use that rage and anger to build something beyond the beautiful moment of sweet relief via release.

    "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

    by LeftHandedMan on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 03:46:37 AM PDT

    •  First the Right Has Like 50 Million Evangelicals (32+ / 0-)

      (study that noun--it's an action verb, it doesn't mean contemplating your God, it means taking over society and making them think and live your way) who were easy to redirect only a little bit from their intrinsic imperialistic mission into GOTV and a huge new-candidate pool for the rightwing. Think the Bachmann and Cruz types have some unusual beliefs about religion, organization and society? It's Sunday morning, drive over to your local rw megachurch and you'll hear 10,000 people talking this way among themselves before lunch this morning.

      Nothing remotely similar exists in liberalism.

      There is also the fact that not one billionaire on earth is willing to really fight to make the US a liberal society, whereas scores of them have been fighting for up to half a century, in a few cases most of a century, to make it an authoritarian aristocracy.

      Practical action is indeed the way to successfully apply anger. But our side has nothing to work with. We need to invent an entire civilization brand new out of whole cloth. We can't fault the political party that would act as we wish if only what it were sitting atop were a vast pyramid of popular organization and support that are in fact utterly nonexistent.

      Look around your locality and just think in terms of the town council or the school board. Do you think on so negligible a scale you could turn things around in a year or two? No, with so little societal infrastructure for liberals to work with, your little local project could take 20 years.

      Welcome to the United States.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 05:45:58 AM PDT

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    •  "...electing like minded people..." It ain't (23+ / 0-)

      happening. What we get to vote on are which corporate stooge we dislike the least.
         The drift to insanity among the Republicans has been a godsend to the right wing Dems. "Vote for us, or those maniacs win."
         So, if we want expanded Social Security, or action on climate change, or anything other than cheer leading for Israel, we're unrealistic purity trolls.
         There simply is no opening to the left in the American party system.


      •  Liberals don't take corporate money (6+ / 0-)

        The lack of good liberals in higher office isn't due to some oversight or lack of public support. Its the result of the wholesale corruption of US politics by massive campaign funding by wealthy corporate donors.

        IOW, the electoral system is rigged in favor of wealthy donors. It didn't happen overnight, it took years of bribing politicians and taking over the news media.

        Enact laws for publicly funded elections and overturn Citizens United and you'll see many more liberals in higher office.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 07:25:00 AM PDT

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      •  It's Called Reality (1+ / 0-)
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        I want to expand Social Security, "action" on climate change, and other things.

        However, I don't want to go BACKWARDS as well.

        With Republicans in power- whether it be the House or in some state- we go BACKWARDS.  We're no longer in the fight to expand Social Security, we're in the fight to keep it.  We're no longer fighting against climate change, we're fighting against climate change denial.  And so on.

        When it gets to the choice between a corporate/centrist Democrat or a progressive one- one of the two will hold office- that's one thing.  When it becomes between any Democrat and any Republican, it's another.  Each Democratic body, almost no matter how centrist and corporate, puts the Democrats either in control or closer to it.  Each Republican keeps them in control, or gets them closer to it.  

        You want to get angry, look at the body politic that supports these clowns.  From the religious right to the working class members that think tax cuts for billionaires will help them more than unions, there's the source of your problem.

        In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

        by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:37:41 AM PDT

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    •  The best revenge is living well. (0+ / 0-)
      I would much rather that everyone who is liberal become as engaged in electing like-minded people and holding them as fiercely to a higher standard or face the consequences than worry about any other matter.
      Correct.  The power of a good example is strong.  Gather and do the best you can.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:47:21 PM PDT

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  •  Never will happen... (6+ / 0-)

    Liberals think too much. Conservatives don't think at all.

    •  All conservatives are stupid (2+ / 0-)
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      Infected Zebra, paulex

      That has been proven many times, and discussed on this board.  I won't go as far as denying basic education to children of two conservative parents (republicans), but we should use our generosity about "educating" these hopelessly stupid individuals when talking about welfare, etc. ...

  •  It's not possible. The Cons' anger is endemic. (3+ / 0-)
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    It's a state of being, likely derived from the fact that, metaphorically speaking, they can't see straight. It has to be a metaphor because seeing is not the core of the Cons' problem. They see all right. Indeed seeing and hearing are their main sources of information, but both are fleeting. And, in the long run, deceiving. Appearances are deceiving. It is this deception by their own sensory organs that drives them mad. Eye glasses won't help.

    On the other hand, I'd be willing to wager that Cons are less likely to wear "corrective" lenses than other people because they do not notice that they are not seeing right. They don't read much, either.

    Sarah Palin wears glasses, occasionally. So it's my guess that she memorizes her speeches and the teleprompter is just a prop to make her look as important as the POTUS.

    How many Cons are dyslexic?

  •  I am as angry as conservatives (14+ / 0-)

    At least I think I am. But I don't mispell my protest signs or scream racist insults.

    I am angry but not mad.

  •  Conservatives Did Not "Become" Angry. (14+ / 0-)

    Rightwing leadership beginning in the 60's began methodically blaming every downward bump or hassel in bluecollar life on liberal taxation and support for thossssse people as being threats to mainstream [=white male] prosperity.

    The anger is possible because the white males had so much to lose. Through all of history they'd been poor and working poor, but the 50 year New Deal Anomaly had advanced them to a middle class lifestyle of upward mobility, a comfortable often-home-owning life, opportunity for affordable college, travel, leisure, good health and a secure, often comfortable old age. For millions this was possible for single bluecollar income families with stay-at-home mothers and kids who didn't need to work to pitch in for family welfare.

    The early 70's beginning of the rich's recovery of all the wealth and income of the common people that was supporting their short visit to the middle class, stopped the progress of white males a while after other populations had begun to be dealt into the deal by liberalism, through various minority civil rights advances and the expansion of women's rights.

    The populations most needy of liberal support have never yet been fully let into the deal and so as the American people are pushed back down into the historic norm lifelong working poverty, it's not a long fall for the larger liberal demographics --it's not any fall at all for many of them.

    The intellectual liberals are disappointed but they've never been the angry sort, not to the point of the scale of impolite behavior able to push major demands on ownership.

    This whole crisis in climate change and the confiscation of enlightenment society by aristocratic ownership could be turned around in less than a year by one simple action: a science strike. The kind of major disruption in defense, finance and productive sectors of the economy that laborers, renters, and demographic minorities have performed to help advance the cause of the people in the past, a science strike is the last formidable weapon in hands outside of ownership.

    But it will never happen. Scientists are like dancers, they don't work because they love it, they work because they need it. So if society is to be saved for reason and the survival of civilization, the few who are able to do it soon will watch as the billions of the rest of us try to see if we can cobble the will, the organizational infrastructure and the force from so little left in our hands.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 05:34:45 AM PDT

  •  Testify! (16+ / 0-)
    I wish that I could vote, just once in my life, for a candidate for President who was MORE liberal that me. I never have had that opportunity.

    Tar sands, fracking and deep water drilling are expensive. Crude oil price exceeded $100/bbl in 2008 where it still hovers. NH₃ based fertilizer feeds an estimated ⅓ of the world with the Haber-Bosch process using natural gas as a feedstock.

    by FrY10cK on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 06:17:30 AM PDT

  •  To be on the left wing of the positive (7+ / 0-)

    requires a lot of anger management:

    As Mother Jones lived and said, malice toward none but all the Hellraising that's necessary. Anger should not be our "energy," but where it is genuine and logical, it is motivating in the short run. The survivors of the Ludlow massacre certainly had anger. In the long run, however, we need a deepening source of strength, human solidarity. It motivates us to be proactive and not to have a high tolerance to other people's pain.

    garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

    by Galtisalie on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 06:23:04 AM PDT

  •  Don't get mad, get effective (5+ / 0-)

    Anger works as a motivation but it can only take you so far. Anger without action is mental masturbation

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 06:31:47 AM PDT

  •  As long as we can be angry, but not hateful... (4+ / 0-)
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    Wendy Slammo, paulex, Rick Aucoin, allensl might do us some good.  Jesus and many OT prophets displayed righteous anger and indignation against how people were treated.  We also can be angry while staying accurate and not spilling into conspiracy theory territory.

  •  The Occupy Movement is a good example (20+ / 0-)

    Of the biases and double standards applied by government and the news media.

    Angry liberals provoke strident, knee jerk reactions that result in widespread civil rights violations, jailings, violence against demonstrators, etc.

    The USA has a sick, warped aversion to liberal activism. Even current Dem Party leadership recoils and responds with violence, spying, infiltration, and various forms of rat farking. The participation of organized labor in Occupy organizing in Cleveland spurred Eric Holder to spy on protestors and collaborate with local Republicans to pay criminals to act as agents provocateur to disrupt activities and jail a few mentally ill young men.

    The news media and conservatives are always eager to respond to angry liberals with violence and judicial abuse. But when Dem leaders align themselves with corporate conservatives, the danger is even greater.

    Until Obama and Eric Holder are out of office, angry liberals who engage in civil disobedience are at risk of serious injury or death. At the very least, activists face jail on trumped up charges, a fat FBI file and loss of employment, etc.

    I mention these things not to discourage activism, but to highlight the need to find ways to protect the rights of liberal activists and hold public officials accountable for civil rights abuses.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 06:40:03 AM PDT

    •  You said everything I wanted to say One additio... (6+ / 0-)

      You said everything I wanted to say

      One addition to your comment: a lot of the right's anger is staged PR and media loves that because it's drama but won't get out of (not Bundy type dramas but MTP type dramas.) When liberals try to do that we get personal perhaps the answer is to Palinize the right's anger mongers. It works when we've gone after people like atkins etc.

      •  Right wing demonstrations are very dangerous (4+ / 0-)

        These days, they usually include lots of angry people brandishing loaded weapons.  

        It doesn't get more dangerous than that. But no one objects. Eric Holder doesnt bring charges or infiltrate or track these dangerous people.  Remember the couple who attended the Bundy standoff who later went on to load a grocery cart with weapons and ammo and push it several miles in a populated area before killing two policemen at a fast food restaurant?  Holder didnt track or investigate any of those people, even though they had already demonstrated their unhinged, violent behavior and access to arms.  Why? because they're conservatives and our government gives dangerous conservatives a free pass. Because bipartisanship.

        What about the mentally ill conservative with access to guns who shot up a crowd meeting their Congressperson at the local shopping center, killing a judge, children and staffers?

        Conservative political activists are extremely dangerous, but politically protected by both parties and the news media.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:24:51 AM PDT

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        •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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          yoduuuh do or do not

          Let's get our enemies clear.

          These loons on the right have people that have their backs. And you know who most of them are- the more "respectable" parts of the conservative movement, the well funded PACs, lobbyists, and think tanks.  The giant right wing propaganda machine.  The billionaires that fund all of it.  And the mouth breathers that make up the "base".

          They make it so that if you attack, let alone investigate, the lunatics, you're really creating a cover story so that you're going after them.  This isn't about reality, it's about the narrative as it gets told to most of the public.

          In that context, Holder and the rest of Democrats on down aren't on the same side....they're lacking ammunition and cover to take up the fight. So they back off.  NOT THE SAME THING as being on the same side, or bipartisanship, or being in unison.

          On the other side, Occupy has no friends in high places, no billionaires (duh), no giant media network, and base which is on their side AND threatens office-holders with their vote.

          Remember, you're living in a country where millions of right wing knuckle-draggers are as mad as you at Eric Holder, only for stuff he DIDN'T do (Fast and Furious, whatever imaginary right wing anti-Obama conspiracy is the order of the day).  

          In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

          by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:47:37 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry, there's no excuse (1+ / 0-)
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            For Dem leaders ignoring dangerous, violent right wing radicals while unfairly targeting, demonizing, and harassing liberal activists.

            No. Excuse. At. All.

              Its despicable behavior on their part,  made worse when they try to excuse it by blaming their victims. If these corrupt vermin dare wonder why they have a difficult time turning out the Dem vote, all they need to do is look in the mirror.  

            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 04:11:48 PM PDT

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  •  Angry is ego-driven (2+ / 0-)
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    Infected Zebra, paulex

    Liberals transcended beyond ego, we don't live in Conservatism, we're happy.

    As the illusions of corporate media are revealed, (thanks to you and others), the more Democracy will heal.

  •  On your early point about media... (10+ / 0-)

    Kornacki had Chuck Todd as part of a panel and they discussed the failure of the President to court Republicans.

    Why isn't it ever the right as fault when they just obstruct everything?

    •  Good grief. I hope they didn't spend more than (0+ / 0-)

      three minutes on that topic.

      Most in the GOP can't even HEAR the president they are so busy hurling invectives at him. If they could hear him, they'd realize that some of what he says might make sense to them. God forbid!

      The only hawk I like is the kind that has feathers. My birding blogs: and

      by cany on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:34:49 AM PDT

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    •  Tell us, Todd - WHAT would the GOPers have (1+ / 0-)
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      responded to, hmmm?  How do you "court" someone who's made it clear they will not go out with you under any circumstances?

      I'm sure WE ALL want to know the answer to that one, schmott guy...

      You'd think by now at least my half-a-brain would get the message
      Crawling, crawling, crawling from the wreckage, into a brand new life...

      by chmood on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 05:00:00 PM PDT

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  •  don't think its possible. majority of their anger (3+ / 0-)

    is fueled by hate

  •  I've often wondered this myself (7+ / 0-)

    Wingnut frothing anger is what's allowed Republicans to govern like Nazi storm troopers whenever their grift works and they have power. It's destroying the economy, middle class and the environment.

    If progressives had been as successful at moving the goal posts and controlling debate we might have things like single-payer, solar panels on residential roof tops and tax reform that would stop the loud sucking sound of wealth being funneled to the 1% crowd.

    My guess is it'll finally happen when half of Florida, the Gulf Coast, cities are under water and the West runs dry but it'll probably be a day late and dime short be then.

    •  It's not their foaminess (4+ / 0-)

      it's their low IQ's and disorganization.

      They even had financial backing AND the ear of the media. They should have done more - if there were genuinely more people interested.

      There aren't.

      OCCUPY so thoroughly kicked teabbager attempts at gatherings its not even a discussion. Baggers have failed utterly in  accomplishing anything other than disrupting the political process with no useful results, other than maybe hurting the GOP, which does make me all warm and tingly.

      •  You're wrong. (6+ / 0-)

        The teaparty got it's candidates elected to office at the congressional and state level.

        They've been passing regulations that are pro-business, anti-worker, and anti-abortion.  They've taken over school boards.  They kept water from people in Detroit.

        They appear to have successfully convinced much of the population that government is the problem.

        In short, they have had a very successful run.

        There is nothing remotely comparable on the dem side.  We have too many office-holders who compromise with them or simply don't care enough to be a dem.

        And everyone on our side keeps ridiculing the repubs and announcing their demise.  Well, I'll believe it when I see it - when dems take over Congress and state-level offices.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:40:07 AM PDT

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        •  No, the corporate funders of the Tea Party (5+ / 0-)

          Got people elected and undermined democracy, ushered in gerrymandering, etc.

          Without corporate funding, the Tea Party would be invisible, another marginal crank group with bad ideas who only make the news when a member kills someone.

          Because of their ownership and control by corporate leaders and because their power in DC has been purchased by the same, the Tea Party's doppelganger in the Dem Party isn't liberals, its the DLC/OFA/Third Way. They're all astroturfing tools for the corporate agenda in government.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:32:02 AM PDT

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          •  It doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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            that the teapartiers were funded.

            Bottom line - they set out to do something and they did.

            You're essentially saying the dems can't do the same, and I don't buy it.  I saw right here in Colorado how a few wealthy people funded the turnover in the state lege.  

            These people, along with at least one determined, success oriented dem [that would be Andrew Romanoff] decided what they wanted to do and did it.

            Before this effort, dems were just a bunch of whiners in Colorado - oh, Colorado is a red state, we can't win here, blah, blah, blah.  The Denver County and Boulder County dems were turning down volunteers in 2004!  

            Oh, and don't tell me that Romanoff isn't a liberal, blah, blah, blah.  He was essentially someone who set out to upend the order in the lege and did so [with help, of course].

            I have no reason to believe that dems couldn't do the same as far as getting liberals into office.  They have simply decided that it is impossible.

            The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

            by dfarrah on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 12:13:16 PM PDT

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        •  I agree (7+ / 0-)

          Every since Newt and his brownshits took over the House in the 90s it's been all slash and burn with puppet masters like Rove pulling the strings while AM wingnut radio and FAUX cheered them on. Unfortunately the grift worked then and still is now.

          To measure their success, more jobs were created in the first six months of this year than any in the Bush II years and the same Republicans who drove the entire country off the tracks only six years ago are still favored to take control of the entire Congress in the fall. That's success no matter how one measures it - Textbook for being rewarded for screwing up in the worst possible manner and largely due to tea party frothiness, media messaging and Democrats continually tossing Repubs life vests.

          When Beltway Democrats play to their base like Republicans who are petrified of theirs we'll see success but not until.

          •  Except That (1+ / 0-)
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            ...until we get a bunch of billionaires committed to progressive causes, and a giant media network the same size as the right's, this is going to be kind of what we get.

            The right has the Bubble where Obama is an ineffectual Socialist Nazi dictator, and all problems are due to the Democrats and the liberals.  We don't want to replicate the stupidity and the lies of that network, but we do need to mirror its reach.

            Until then, it's going to be hard to get millions of working class voters to see the reality in front of their face.

            In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

            by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:51:32 AM PDT

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            •  What you've said is horribly true (2+ / 0-)
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              but I couldn't resist a bitter chuckle at the "socialist Nazi" description for President Obama.  They actually believe that "socialist" and "Nazi" are the same thing.  I saw a much-visited website the other day "proving" that Hitler was a liberal and a socialist because he loved dogs and was a vegetarian and because Nazis were "national socialists."  GOD.

              "If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." - Will Rogers

              by Kentucky DeanDemocrat on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:40:36 AM PDT

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              •  The New Nazi Meme (1+ / 0-)
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                There's this new Nazi meme on the right that is, frankly, quite comic.  But as usual, it's been taken to heart by the wingnut trolls and others.

                As you know, it goes like-

                -the Nazis were the "National Socialist Workers Party". See?  They're "socialists."!

                -the Nazis can't be on the right because they wanted a larger government.  They expanded it.  They even gave everyone a form of Social Security.  If you're on the right, you want less government.

                The burns....

                In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

                by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:24:22 PM PDT

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        •  I'm wrong? Hah! (0+ / 0-)

          You're right. I never looked at it that way.

          That would be an awesome step for an future Occupy incarnation.

          Duly noted and point conceded.

          In short, they have had a very successful run.

          There is nothing remotely comparable on the dem side.  We have too many office-holders who compromise with them or simply don't care enough to be a dem.

          ANd I'd totally agree.

          The occupy stuff was there for the taking and they just didn't touch it.

  •  Love this post. I think part of the reason we d... (10+ / 0-)

    Love this post. I think part of the reason we don't pull the same acts as the Baggers is because most of us have other things to do with our lives instead of sitting around all day getting stirred up by hate radio. By nature, we have other interests and care about many things beyond our noses, which makes it more difficult to organize.

    But it feels like the day keeps drawing closer where a whole lot of people say "We've had it!" and stops waiting for the system to catch onto reality. As others have noted above, this election season is a great start, and we need to make the others know that trying to rig our elections with big-money, gerrymandering and sketchy voting machines will result in political death.

  •  Many people talk but don't vote. 37% of elig. (4+ / 0-)

    voters vote in mid-terms. There is your, our problem. The young-18-24, the poor, and the uneducated do not vote worth a damn. Why the DCCC does not go after them and register them and Id them and transport them to vote has been my question. They are great at begging for money. I have called and emailed DCCC and my reps. and senators. No answers, yet, and I have been harping on it for a week. If they GOTV, the GOP would be a memory, unable to open their lying mouths, unable to obstruct the few people who want progress.
    These same people will go to sports events, church, buy motorcycles, go to concerts, movies, etc. but they can't take 1/2 a day out of their lives to get registered and ID'd and vote. The DCCC has to go after them and stimulate them and get them registered. We would have a better country with no Karl Rove to run his pasty-faced lying mouth because he would be irrelevant. Good thinking on your part. It is up to the DCCC, if you ask me, and I am trying to tell them that. Volunteers do not get it done. They have been trying that for 40 years. 37% of people vote. They can lead horses to water and make them drink.

    The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

    by Incredulousinusa on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 07:30:48 AM PDT

    •  Problems with micro targeting (6+ / 0-)

      When candidates micro target voters, they often uses tactics that dont encourage them to become frequent voters. Microtargeting voters using , say, abortion rights will get young women to turn out to vote. But those new women voters are expecting more than abortion rights. They're also expecting economic recovery and justice, affordable higher education, fewer wars and more income inequality.

      When the party doesn't deliver on other issues microtargeted voters care about, they default to their usual disillusionment and apathy. Microtargeting voters without a commitment to all the issues important to them is the political equivalent of a one night stand.

      In some cases, Microtargeting on flawed public policy (public schools bad/ private charter schools good) its impossible to deliver on the promise because it was fraudulent from the start. Same result - voter apathy.

       Its the corporate style of Dem politics, morally and intellectually bankrupt, doomed to fail, but a savvy idea that will make some people very rich until it fails too many times. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 07:54:45 AM PDT

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      •  Dems nearly as corrupt as GOP but not quite, IMO (5+ / 0-)

        But 8 years of George W Bush was very hard on the poor, the environment, and on my psyche. The man could not even speak in complete sentences. He used scrabble words. Decider. You can't get fooled again. Sounded like a 7th grader learning to be class president. Cut taxes on his family and friends AND started 2 wars. That made a lot of sense. The difference is he did not care what we think and made that very evident. If not for Christian Right, he would not have gotten close to the White House. At least Obama has the sense to try to not insult us. I'm going with the Democrats as the only viable direction right now. In hindsight, Ross Perot might have been better for the country, but the media creamed him. Under Obama, some people will stay out of prison for reasons related to marijuana-I think that's very good. I also like the gay marriage OK. I do not care who marries whom and it makes some people happy. Foreign policy? Obama is talking to Iran at least.  

        The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

        by Incredulousinusa on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:15:14 AM PDT

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        •  Any Dem with pulse and respiration (5+ / 0-)

          Would have won in 2008, the public was so disgusted with Bush II and the GOP.

          Dems blew a historic opporgunity by allowing corporate donors and conservatives to ambush party leadership, hijack the primary system and put corporate funded idiots in charge.

          Its now become too expensive and risky for real Dem candidates to run. Again, Dems have an easy path to winning the WH in 2016, but will likely choose another corrupt corporate slate. Its a feature, jot a bug.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:47:19 AM PDT

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          •  A Real GOTV effort would trump money (2+ / 0-)
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            Dems just keep doing the same old thing every election. They need to Harp on the 18-24 yr. olds, the poor, and the uneducated in battleground states for starters and win enough to control the House for Godssakes, maybe enough to get 60 votes in the Senate. That is math, not rocket science, and it requires people and time and money, and they have enough of all three to get the job done if they made it their top priority. I am trying to get them to call or email me for starters to see if I am completely out of touch or not, but they apparently are not interested. Dems just need more votes than GOP, that's all. Agree wholeheartedly with you re the 2008 election, but Palin got 60 million votes as second-in-line to run the country. That is just crazy and I don't want to come that close to complete disaster again.

            The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

            by Incredulousinusa on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:45:19 AM PDT

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          •  how did corporate donors hijack the primary system (1+ / 0-)
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            in 2008?  That is absurd.

            First, how do you define "corporate donor"?  Any individual that happens to be employed by a corporation?  You would have the Democratic Party ban contributions from such individuals?  Lots of liberals work at corporations.

            Second, contributions in 2008 were limited to $2300 per person.

            Third Obama's campaign set a record for most small donor contributions (defined as $200 or less) both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of total campaign dollars.

            Lastly, Obama bashers love to belittle and piss all over his 2008 campaign by claiming that any Dem would have won, in accordance with said bashers pattern of denying Obama credit for any achievement, even winning the primary and general election.  The fact is that the Obama 2008 campaign was one of the most brilliant campaigns in history.  And no, the purists that ran (Kucinich, Gravel, and faux-purist Edwards) would not have won the general election against McCain (not that it matters because purists were too inept to win the primary, which has been the case since 1972, and even then the purist that won the primary ran arguably the most inept and incompetent general election campaign ever).

    •  You've Got Half Of The Problem (3+ / 0-)

      Yes, there is this giant pool of non-voters that gets ignored, and considering the numbers you need to make a difference (say 25,000 to 30,000 in your average House race), it's borderline criminal to not make an effort to reach them.


      The base of the GOP is reliable.  The base of the GOP generally gets what it wants (no matter how much it complains).  The base of the GOP has a giant media network to constantly "monitor" who they should vote for, and then what they are doing or not doing after they win.

      That giant pool of non-voters that is disaffected is in an entirely different place.  For one thing, they are removed from politics because politics has no interest in them.  Take your average working poor single mom.  I could make the case that voting for one side is better than voting for the other, and that their vote means something.....but they have to keep voting in 3 elections a year and for many years, and then HOPEFULLY they'll get something out of it.

      Readers of Daily Kos understand why that is....but the reality of it is a hard sell.  You either present the truth- which is not very appealing- or you have to lie ("a vote for X will change things next year") which leads to disappointment.  Which leads to apathy and non-voting.

      Which underlines another problem.  If you follow politics, and if you have for years (decades), you understand how some things can change quickly, how others take decades to change, and how others are a constant never-ending fight.  That dynamic is just alien in a consumer society where people expect a direct cause-and-effect.

      Again, if you're on the right, you're on the side with the real power.  So if George W Bush gets elected, his conservative agenda (on economics and the military, less so on the social side) meets little opposition.  If Barack Obama and the Democrats get put in charge of everything, that power structure undermines the progressive agenda (as we all know).

      Hence the base of the right feels it gets what it wants, and it has power on its side (whether they acknowledge it or not) to help stop the liberals when we are in"power."  There's simply nothing like that on our side, or not enough of it, and it's really hard , from what I've seen, to get consumer-minded nonvoters to come around to see the long game.

      In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

      by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:05:45 AM PDT

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      •  One of the best summaries of the problem I ever (2+ / 0-)

        heard and I hear you on that, especially when a Bush gets elected, he meets little opposition, because he is the 1%, etc. I hear the younger voters, if we can get them to vote, are not nearly as Christian RW nuts as they used to be, though. 18-24. Get 'em while their young. Despite the truth of what you say and your excellent take on the predicament, I refuse to give up. Dems need to GOTV in Battleground states and take back the House, if nothing else and/or increase the Senate number instead of losing it. That would not be impossible if the Dem election mongers would put the campaign money to good use and fight the GOP by getting out the plentiful Democratic vote, it could happen. Call me a cockeyed optimist but I lived through Reagan and W being elected/appointed twice each, and those years were not fun, knowing what could have happened instead of what did happen. Neocons are GOP, far as I know, more than not, and they have a list and they are checking it twice, for evildoers and all that crap. Obama/type with House and Senate-(Barack blew it first 2 years, not sure why)Gays treated better, No prison for pot, Planned Parenthood thrives, unemployment as needed, Social Security not threatened (Ayn Rand used it), Not as mean as GOP, Not as Machavellian as GOP, try to improve access to healthcare, not as bat-.... Christian crazy, etc. etc.  

        The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

        by Incredulousinusa on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:30:38 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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          I've lived through Reagan and Bush as well.  I saw Reagan as inevitable.  From day one (1998) I thought Bush was a moron, and was beside myself that everyone else couldn't see it as well.

          I don't give up either.  But now I've lived through the Great Democratic Hope After Republican Years In The White House twice (Clinton and Obama), and I see the same dynamic in play.  People are pissed at the GOP but over-hopeful of whomever gets in the White House.  The gears of power go to work against the Democrat and everyone gets sad.

          There's got to be a better way to get that pool of nonvoters to get it though.

          In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

          by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:30:08 PM PDT

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          •  My theory is 1.Get rid of GOP clout by winning the (0+ / 0-)

            House and Senate for starters. Volunteers have not been very successful lately. DCCC needs to hire a small army of GOTVers in key states to register & ID 18-24 (they don't vote much now) and the poor (same there) and then anybody else who would vote Dem. It would not take much in many cases to win enough seats.  It would take a lot of organization and a lot of money and a lot of work, and it won't happen overnight. What else do we have? This same old crap every election lately is enough to drive a person to drink, or something. I'd be happy just getting the GOP out of power. They talk crazy, appealing to their base, then people start thinking they make sense. I want them out. The sooner the better. Cheers.

            The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

            by Incredulousinusa on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:29:56 PM PDT

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      •  Agree. Republican voter base is dependable, but... (2+ / 0-)
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        Bring the Lions, paulex's not very expandable. Almost every one one of their steady voters is already registered participating.

        The Dems, however, have a deep reservoir of unregistered voters, and voters who can be motivated to participate in mid-terms more often by switching them to permanent vote-by-mail (where it's available).

        All we need is money or volunteers for the ground-game.

        “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
        he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

        by jjohnjj on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 01:30:10 PM PDT

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        •  Agree As Well (0+ / 0-)

          Everyone knows that there is this pool of nonvoters that routinely gets ignored, and if anyone can reach just a fraction of them, they can make the difference in a country that is seen as 50-50 red-blue (that might not be the case, but let's assume so).

          Knowing who and what the GOP base is, their whole campaign to hold down the Democratic vote through the sham called Voter ID laws is actually a clever answer to their situation.  Immoral, but the one play they have.  Any move to the non-GOP voters will have their base fuming.

          In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

          by Bring the Lions on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:34:09 PM PDT

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  •  Media only willing to show certain types of anger (9+ / 0-)

    The so called mainstream media, really corporate media, is allergic to populism. They've learned how to handle the Progressives - marginalize them and ignore them. They're still struggling a bit with the Tea Party, I think because they're like the crazy first cousins to the conservative republicans who run things.

    Don't look to shows like Meet the Press, or networks like CNN or even MSNBC, to inform or inspire your political views, unless you're just stuck looking in the rear view mirror. I stopped buying the NY Times and watching the Sunday AM shows in 2003 when they helped Bush roll out the appearance of "Weapons of Mass Destruction", and have not looked back since.

    For the younger demographics worldwide, social media and weblogs are eclipsing the corporate media in terms of viewership and influence, and it can't happen fast enough...

  •  Don't get mad, get even -- RFK (6+ / 0-)
    From a Tibetan Buddhist viewpoint, one way to view anger is that it can be based on (or related to) seeing things clearly.
    I think the anger of member of this site is often based on seeing things clearly - seeing the injustices that surround us.  So our anger can be a reflection of our wisdom.
    The hard part is that when our anger is based on seeing things clearly, we want to do something to improve the situation -- which is not easy.
    I think when a member of the tea-bag party get angry - it is also because they see things clearly. But what they see is that they are losing power, that they are not living in the 1850's any more.  So when they get angry, the can vent and scream and like that.  The republicans in the House are just throwing tanrums - they aren't trying to get anything done other than turn back the clock.

    If we want to change the injustices we see, we might change RFK's advice "Don't get mad - get even" to something like

    Don't get angry - get organized
  •  I want to see AMERICANS get angry at the (6+ / 0-)

    [no appropriate word which fit within site guidelines] done to us by the government.

    It started pretty good with Occupy but they remained really really polite once they were attacked. They just sat there.

    They did have some really good spin-off activities which are still ongoing.

    But yeah, just sitting around and valuing not getting angry when you;re really constantly getting power-fucked by the system and the people who run it is something I cannot get my heard around.

    I think it boils down to how people determine what is a threat and their relative ideas and values about self-defense.

    Plenty of folks here argue for putting up with shit, NO MATTER WHAT. No matter what is happening to you, never ever ever ever get angry.

    Some will tell you if you;re angry your not thinking - sometimes that true, sometimes it isn't.

    Some appear to have no value for self-defense, and that's their right.

    Some of us have a value of robust self-defense and we do get worked up with what we see as a real threat to our lives.

    I've been angry since Team Bush ruined America and created the emerging fascist state.

    I think it is A_OK to be angry about that and to tap that anger to enhance motivation to do "that which would be productive" not otherwise specified.

    When Wendy Davis did that epic filibuster, she didn't do that out of love or happiness: she was pissed at the republican bumrush she saw before her.

    When I decided I would get a guitar for this sick old man, it honestly was rooted in anger: How? (Glad you asked) THis guy is poor and mentally ill and a long time ago his guitar was stoledn. As is often the case, families don't do as much for their mentally ill folks because they discount their importance. I had always been angry about this but felt there wqas little to be done.

    THEN I get the word he has terminal cancer and 12 months or so left. That's the straw that broke the camels' back. Dammit! I am getting that man a guitar ASAP, one way or another.

    So yeah, out of anger.

    Anger is a life-saving emotion when used appropriately.

    It is not to be wished away.

  •  The voting motivation threshold (5+ / 0-)

    I've also, from time to time, wondered about that. Must liberals became as radicalized as conservative in order to defeat them? I hope not. When both sides are motivated to vote, liberals win, the last presidential election showed that.  

    The role of fear and hate, unfortunately, is that they are a great motivator, which is why the right has long sought to leverage them by radicalizing their base. The GOP base typically responds to appeals for hate and fear, while the Democratic base typically responds to appeals for reason and compassion toward others. Therefore, there will probably always be an asymmetry of motivation between left and right.

    The good news is, I think,  that the motivation to simply vote is all that's actually needed. No greater or lesser level of motivation is required. One's vote doesn't count more or less depending on one's level of hate and fear. The problem for Democrats is how to get our base motivated to the threshold of simply going out and voting. One way would be to making the physical act of voting more convenient, something which Republicans are keenly aware of, and opposed to.

  •  I saw a poll that (3+ / 0-)
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    showed the midterm in November to be headed for a "record low turnout." I think it was based on voter registration numbers. But you know what? If the folks who are registered go vote, then we can win.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 07:47:40 AM PDT

  •  asdf (5+ / 0-)

    a conservative can protest,wave a gun around,and threaten public officials.
    if a liberal does that they will go to jail and their kids will be taken from them. and probably molested.

  •  The definition of likely voters is skewed, (6+ / 0-)

    as well. Did you vote in the same precinct the last two Presidential elections? Did pollsters reach you by cell phone? If not, you're not a likely voter. Those two alone eliminates a significant chunk of the voting populace, one statistically much more likely to vote liberal.

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:04:36 AM PDT

    •  Right. I have ONLY a cell, have never missed an (2+ / 0-)
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      election and have NEVER been called. I'm probably on exactly no one's radar. However, that's not a bad thing in my case since I DO vote.

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      by cany on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:40:07 AM PDT

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  •  I thought about screaming at the children (2+ / 0-)
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    of conservatives like they do with the refugees but then I thought "why the fuck would I scream at kids" and decided I like not being a raging asshole.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:30:31 AM PDT

  •  Conservative's anger (3+ / 0-)

    Is often the product of hate. Liberals, by their nature are more compassionate therefore less likely to hate. I am angry about many things and take actions to express my anger, civil disobedience against the tar sands pipelines, voter registration and education, etc. those actions and my renewed commitment to staying involved are the result of my anger.  Billie Carr, of Texas liberal fame, said " don't default to the bastards-Organize"

    If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    by texaslucy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 08:50:20 AM PDT

  •  But liberal anger doesn't involve screaming at (4+ / 0-)

    little kids searching for a safe haven.  IOW, our anger isn't as callously riveting to the media.

    "Let's stay together"--Rev. Al Green and President Obama

    by collardgreens on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:01:14 AM PDT

  •  Given that (0+ / 0-)

    there is no objective measure for what constitutes 'angry', this diary boils down to 'why haven't you gotten angry' and after that, 'why haven't you done something'. Because plenty of people are angry and are doing thing.

    What the hell has happened to this country? People like you have let other people suffer.

    by DAISHI on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:13:58 AM PDT

  •  Our version of anger (5+ / 0-)

    will never be like the Tea Parties version of anger.  We can get angry and not lose the ability to think critically about issues.  On the other hand, the anger of Tea Partiers turned them from people who only had the ability to marginally think critically in the best of times to people who have esentially gone batshit crazy and have lost all ability to think period.

    When liberals get angry, we tend to express it in a civilized, peaceful manner, like some civil disobedience (see Occupy).  When conservatives get angry, they tend to want to lash out violently - see the Bundy ranch debacle.

    I think the question is not what would happen if we got "as angry" as conservatives.  It's more "What would happen if we got as motivated to effect change as conservatives.  Getting that motivated would require many liberals to finally recognize that neo-liberals that are too cozy with Wall Street (which seems to define most elected Democrats these days) have to be the first problem that is tackled.  You cannot "beat" Republicans on economic policy if your candidates tend to roughly or completely agree with Republicans on economic and taxation issues and continue to allow yourself to be distracted by "the shiny" of social issues alone.  

    A perfect example of this is many New York liberals and their support of Andrew Cuomo.  Yes, Cuomo is a dyed-in-the-wool liberal under the microscope of social issues alone - he passed same sex marriage and gun control.  Remove these issues, and he's a little more than a Wall Street stooge.  It's this problem that has to be addressed first so voters finally can see a difference between the parties not only on social issues, but economic issues too.  

    In other words, to be as effective at getting change as angry Tea Partiers, we have to be far more willing to demand candidates are more ideologically pure - just as the Tea Partiers do.  The difference is that we should be wise enough to realize that no one is ever going to be that "true Scotsman" and not label an effective Democrat as a "DINO" simply because they had a handful of bad votes, supported a handful of bad policy, or worked with Republicans when needed to find compromise - and our ability to be able to be "angry" while still able to think critically is what should help with that.

    The second part is convincing independent voters and the few remaining moderate Republicans that our ideas are better.  That means you have to find an effective way of combating the painstakingly created right wing echo chamber and get the media to end their he said/she said style reporting and their idiotic idea that false equivalency in reporting means "balance."  We don't need balance from them, we need them to be objective.  In other words, an asshole on a witch hunt like Darryl Issa would face the music from an objective media calling him out like Edward R. Murrow did to Joe McCarthy, instead of being covered in a he said/she said manner.  Additionally, right wing think tanks that have popped up like weeds over the last 20 - 30 years will also need to be countered, because their entire purpose is to provide "legitimacy" to illegitimate ideas.  To do this, you're going to need funding - and lots of it - and I have no idea where you get it from, because few "liberal" billionaires with deep pockets are all that willing to do things that may hurt their own bottom lines - like make sweeping changes in tax policy, economic policy, and massive re-regulation of industry.

    It's going to take a huge effort to effect change, because the nations Overton window needs to be moved significantly leftward after 40+ years of it being pulled incrementally towards the right.  This rightward pull has been almost imperceptible to most, which is why so many Wall Street Democrats have such widespread support amongst the Democratic base.  They've been moved rightward and don't even know it.

    There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

    by Darth Stateworker on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:32:09 AM PDT

  •  We should treat our politicians, (4+ / 0-)

    the way the GOP treats theirs.

    That's the only way to enact your agenda. You force them.
    And when they give you excuses or bullshit, you throw them out and get someone else.


  •  It's a funny thing. Conservatives have only one... (7+ / 0-)

    It's a funny thing. Conservatives have only one real policy goal: piss off as many liberals as possible. But it's interesting to note how conservatives react when liberals actually get pissed off. They don't much like it. And let's not forget, the fake conservative outrage over idiocy is designed from the start to distract, drown out and otherwise deprive the legitimate anger which fuels progressives from getting any oxygen.

  •  Paul, to answer your closing question: (1+ / 0-)
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    imho, nothing has "happened to this country" that can't be amended.  Most in congress fear any constitutional amendment that would benefit public control of our political process.

    State's rights should have been settled in the Civil War.  Yet, some fight on for an America seperated by the rule of white males, instead of "rule of law" and the direction of the people.

    What in the hell is going on when our elected officials refuse to represent the best interests of our republic?  War is not in our best interests.  Wall Street and bankers continue to drive a narrative of greed.  "Irrational exuberience", do bears poop in the woods?

    "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." --Lily Tomlin

  •  The squeaky wheel gets the grease (2+ / 0-)
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    the only way we are ever going to get what we want is to get angry.

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:45:42 AM PDT

  •  What If Liberals Become Effective as Conservatives (2+ / 0-)
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    What if liberals become as effective as conservatives?

    We could channel our anger into action. That would really put them back on their heels.

  •  I have been pissed off since Richard Nixon (3+ / 0-)

    Was elected. I am boiling now. I vote, I register people to vote, I encorage my students to vote and I have raised four children who will vote Democrat or liberal independent.

    How can Republicans say they love America when they hate Americans so very much?

    by Tchrldy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 09:58:48 AM PDT

    •  p.s. my kids already vote and work as volunteers (2+ / 0-)
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      At the polls. They know tha  voting is their foremost civic duty and helping others to vote is right up there with "love  your neighbor as yourself." Imho, for liberals, voting in this next election is a moral imperative.

      How can Republicans say they love America when they hate Americans so very much?

      by Tchrldy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:02:58 AM PDT

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      •  Mine, too (2+ / 0-)
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        Though both have left the Dem party, deeming it too conservative and corporate controlled for them.  They're Millenials, they know better than anyone how Dems and Republicans have failed.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 10:05:59 AM PDT

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        •  Mine feel the same but they vote Dem (1+ / 0-)
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          and work with the Dem committee in our county to register people to vote and get people to the polls.  We live in a county where 60% of people vote Republican and 40% of people vote Dem. It is a question of convincing people that their votes matter.

          IMO, the biggest battle millenials face is cynicism.  At some point people become so cynical about both parties that they don't vote.  That attitude only helps Republicans and no matter how bad many Dems are, they are still better than the best Republican.  

          One of my sons will be running for election to the state legislature within the next couple of years but probably not in our county. Our children will make a difference I hope.

          How can Republicans say they love America when they hate Americans so very much?

          by Tchrldy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:15:55 AM PDT

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  •  I'll just say this... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...We have two firearms for family protection.

    We don't have them to protect us from criminals looking to break in to take material possessions or money.

    We have them to protect us from these authoritarian rightwing neoconfederates, who clearly don't give a flying fuck about anything but themselves, and who seem to have it in their minds that if dominating the political system through sheer numbers stops working, then they're going to resort to using violence and intimidation to assert their culture and ideology onto people who reject it.

  •  I love your "more liberal than me" comment (1+ / 0-)
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    It's funny that it struck me when I read it...I have spent a lifetime worrying that the President I'm voting for will be two-thirds Republican once they get in office, that I've literally never considered that!

    How nice would it be, for your only concern about a presidential vote to be,"Wow, I wonder if this guy/gal will be TOO liberal for my liking"?

    That would be a wonderful problem to have.  And, like you, I'd like have that problem, just once.

    •  That scenario would happen if purists run someone (1+ / 0-)
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      able to win the primaries.  

      Bur remember that the last time that happened was 1972, and that year, when people were presented with the question "Wow, I wonder if this guy is too liberal for my liking?", they overwhelmingly answered, "Yes", and voted for the Repub.  Indeed, the purist lost 49 states.  Do you really want to repeat that "wonderful" experience?

  •  I'd like to see liberals with guns... (0+ / 0-)

    It would be interesting to see how the Right - especially NRA and Open Carry - would respond to lefties with guns - maybe standing in front of Hobby Lobby just for fun.  (Especially in those states that fight gun control.)  It would just be a symbol of our battle... How would the cops react to that?  

    I also loved the SNL sketch about giving guns to black people.  Where is the NRA on that issue?  There are a lot of African Americans living in higher crime areas who could use a gun to protect themselves.   Frankly, I don't know why the NRA doesn't outreach to citizens of Mexican descent too.  They like guns almost as much as we do. Pancho Villa would be a great poster-boy.

    Very true about authorities favoring the rich and Right.  I've never seen tear gas or physical violence used against any Tea Partiers or Wall Streeters, but Lefties and people of color get slammed to the ground by police and gassed on a regular basis.  

    Unfortunately if the Left were to get more angry, the Right would just use it as a justification for the need for more authority - which is so counter to their political philosophy, but great for their spin machine.  We need to elect stronger Progressive leadership who have the authority and the wisdom to make the argument on our behalf.  People like Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders who are not afraid to speak truth to power; or to use facts to make their point.  

    BTW - Thank god for John Oliver.  Now that Colbert is leaving for Late Night, it's a good thing we have a worthy rookie replacement to properly mock the idiocy of the Right.  Comedy has a beautiful way of making a point and poking holes in issues without insulting anyone - unlike regular speech which tends to go there quickly.

    John Stewart had a great idea: to buy a media company.  He just chose the wrong one.  How much would it cost for progressives to buy a large enough stake in News Corp to change their editorial bias?  Could we kickstart enough private equity to swing the deal?  News of a hostile kickstarter  takeover, with the objective of changing their format, might help to do the trick and get other large long-term investors on board.  Rupert won't live forever and when he's gone, his empire is at risk. #GameofThrones

  •  I NO Longer take their shit (3+ / 0-)

    I have been an angry liberal since the stealing of the 2000 election.  My local representatives (WNC) hear my anger all the time.  Like the republican mental midgets they are, they often send me non related talking points and other BS.

    I see it as my job to defeat as many of these assholes as I can.  Since, republican/teaparty types are NOT likely to answer truthfully, I collect and use their responses against them.

    Its past time to be mildly mad.  I am sure many of you where told by some family member you can get more using honey rather than vinegar.  I was.  May mother RIP, I gave that up back in the early 90's.

    Get damned mad, but always use the truth against them.

  •  I've been asking this for a decade... (3+ / 0-)
    We have every right to be angry. Many of us are. But we are not permitted to show it.
    Way back in 2006 I wrote The Angry Left

    It was not well received....I hope yours does a lot better.

  •  I am researching hate mail lately (5+ / 0-)

    The asymmetry between left wing and right wing hate mail is stunning.

    More than angryness we need to talk about hate.  They are angry because they hate.  They hate an African American POTUS, they hate LGBTs, they hate the separation of church and state, etc.

    The volume and nature of hate mail received by anyone who disagrees with them and gains any visibility is amazing.

    And then there is this;

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    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:11:33 AM PDT

  •  Anger doesn't have to be destructive. (2+ / 0-)
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    Thank you, paulex, for a terrific diary. Some excellent comments here, too. Let's use our anger to motivate positive action.

    Say [æl ə vɑɪ]. (It should only happen.)

    by alevei on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:28:16 AM PDT

    •  Yes, the comments here (2+ / 0-)
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      have been amazing! I do not know exactly how, but this diary has produced some jumping off points and I have enjoyed reading the discussion, so much.

      "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." --Lily Tomlin

      by paulex on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 03:22:13 AM PDT

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  •  the "evolution" (1+ / 0-)
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    because i am a liberal, progressive- my Facebook page often attracts a wingnut troll or two.   I am always calm for the first few rounds- addressing their 'talking points' ,drawing out the blatant racism, mentioning the 'fear based' mindset etc... invariably they take some xenophobic or racist or homophobic personal shot.  

    I point out that their humor, like their 'talking points' ,is pretty shallow -bumper sticker'  I call it.   By then I am making my own digs ["ooh coming back for your regular spanking are ya?...its ok- your fetishes are your business"] and the like...  I'm not proud of my behavior....  and before long- I go ahead and tell 'em that too.  And too that i apologize for using big words and stuff.  Big , nuanced ideas.  

    I usually let 'em know that i have what i term a "big life"- volunteer stuff, building a sailboat stuff, living on a solar powered homestead stuff, sighting in my 270 for elk season stuff... right about then- they abandon the field...all gone.

    BUT- when they go in for hatin' on Michelle [you've seen the BS ] or defending assh*le Perry sending the Guard to 'defend' against those kids... well then - time to start calling a chickenshit a chickenshit...  and i do...they quckly flee...    Chickenshits.

  •  Even if you did get a word in edgewise the othe... (1+ / 0-)
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    Even if you did get a word in edgewise the other talking heads would just be smiling smugly and shaking their heads as if anything you say is preposterous.

    If not that then you'd be interrupted and told to go sit in the corner with a coloring book. You cant reason with zealots. They're chemically imbalanced people who somehow avoided the padded room all of their lives.

  •  What happened to this country? (1+ / 0-)
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    It was bought out by those people who are corporations, including our elected representatives.  I, too am angry.  What good does it do if no one listens, including the Democrats in DC?

    First and foremost, we need to get money out of our politics.  And then maybe we can work on not electing millionaires to represent our interests.  Not when they are intent on keeping the extra special tax cuts for themselves, for starters.  It's obscene.  But the money need to go or we haven't a chance.  

    Then we have to destroy our corporate owned media.  It's all about making money for them; not reporting the news.  They're a joke, a bad one.

    How we go about this, I haven't a clue.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 12:43:48 PM PDT

  •  What happened to America is that people that (1+ / 0-)
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    agree with you aren't voting consistently.  Also people have to got out the vote when they themselves are consistent voters.  Its that simple.

  •  Watch out for false equivalency. (2+ / 0-)
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    It could happen. There are days when I feel I am getting close. But I pull back. I do not want to be like them. Hell, no.
    Not getting angry isn't what makes you different. It's what you'd get angry about. Presumably it would not be about things like having to pay grazing fees on public land, or sheltering refugee children, or more affordable health care, for example.

    It's your values that make you different.

    Obama: Pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, pro-drilling, pro-fracking, pro-KXL, pro-surveillance. And the only person he prosecuted for the U.S. torture program is the man who revealed it. Clinton: More of the same.

    by expatjourno on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 01:09:51 PM PDT

    •  damn right. (0+ / 0-)

      I keep telling myself I'm going to write a diary one of these diaries about how we're not better people than Republicans.  It's that kind of elitist thinking, that we are better or different in some fundamental way that sets us apart that holds us back.  We're just like them.  Our genes aren't better.  Our brain structure isn't better.  (And we've had diaries suggesting both of those things, sadly), and we're not better because we love people more.  Republicans love people too.  I'm not saying that to make anybody like them more.  I just think that this we're better than them and so we can't act like them shit is detrimental and elitist and fosters bad reasoning.

  •  what happened is the left ignored rw radio and (3+ / 0-)
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    still is for the most part.

    it's the radio. and if you doubt that look at what they are angry about- most of it is made up crap - benghazi, IRS, fast and furious, diseased immigrant kids, commies and fascist dictators in the white house, gun confiscators, liberal media,  and on and on- straw men and distortions and lies that the GOP and their think tanks could for the most part not have created and spread nationwide without the talk radio monopoly of 1000+ coordinated and unchallenged radio stations.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 01:53:02 PM PDT

    •  and there will be no reform on any major issue (1+ / 0-)
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      as long as democracy-loving americans keep ignoring it.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 01:56:12 PM PDT

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    •  right wing radio harnessed popular discontent. (0+ / 0-)

      We're calling that anger here, but that's fine, whatever.  There is no reason that the same thing couldn't have worked for us except it wasn't our idea and the demographics of people who listen to lots of AM radio in their car don't favor urbanites.

      •  no, talk radio created 'popular' discontent (3+ / 0-)
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        a lot of it would never exist without those 400 or so scripted blowhards on 1200 radio stations filling the airwaves with coordinated bullshit 24/7

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 06:02:08 PM PDT

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        •  Do you remember that film, Network, (1+ / 0-)
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          starring William Holden, Faye Dunaway, and Peter Finch?  Peter Finch tells his audience to open their windows and lean out and scream, "I'M MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"  And people do, all around the country.  

          What were they mad about?  Would their anger have never existed without Peter Finch?

          I think it was real anger.  Almost everybody is discontent.  Tell people why they are discontented, and if the haven't thought about it much before, they might go, "Yeah, that's it."  

          •  the anger is definitely there, but there is also (1+ / 0-)
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            all the other stuff that we're supposed to express to our representatives so they can represent us.

            talk radio lets them sabotage and short circuit that feedback

            This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

            by certainot on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 11:07:12 PM PDT

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  •  I see a lot of Lib anger..only problem (1+ / 0-)
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    A lot of seems to be toward Dems

    ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

    by tommy2tone on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 02:05:01 PM PDT

  •  So We Work toward....... (3+ / 0-)
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    encouraging a true angry progressive to run for President as a (D) -- Bernie Sanders.


    Otherwise, here are some things I'm pissed about (not necessarily in any order):

    The media favoritism toward Israel in this Gaza conflict (and I am an American Jew).....

    I live in NY.  Our Governor is becoming a real DINO....

    People who hate....

    Republicans wanting more for the 1%

    Corporations wanting to relocate their headquarters in order to avoid paying taxes  (We should boycott as many of these as possible)......

    Our history of poor relations with Latin America, which rears its head in various ugly ways.........

    Lack of gun control.......

    Continued obstruction on many issues from Republicans......

    I am angry with both (D)s and (R)s, because there re not enough (D)s to the left of HRC who want to FIGHT.
    There are still too many who want to be NICE....



    However, there may be one exception looming on the short horizon.........

    Sanders and Miller, the respective Veterans Affairs Committee Chairs in both the Senate and the House, will be holding a press conference tomorrow (7/28).  It seems significant progress has been made on hammering out some legislation for VA reform  -- according to what little I read on

  •  The problem with Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    is their Republican politics, not their anger.  Anger is a powerful motivating force in politics on both sides and always has been.  The fear of the status quo and the government that the people will rise up with torches and pitchforks and say, "We want change now and we're going to get it," is a powerful incentive to listen to what we are saying.

    Don't get so invested in being better than looney tune science-denying teabaggers that you forget that we are human and it takes a little piss and vinegar to get people to take action.

  •  Liberals prefer clear thinking over blind rage. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  You ain't angry unless you are in the street along (2+ / 0-)
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    with everyone you can think of who thinks like you do.

    The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

    by llbear on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 05:08:54 PM PDT

  •  My wife's uncle... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...calling Obamacare recipients "parasites." Yep, they're angry and desperate.
    We've argued about 20 million people enrolled on Obamacare:


    Last night I heard 5.3 million. The "Administration" cannot actually report valid data and we continue to hear about unqualified parasites getting subsidies. In an case, one can hope the courts will ultimately find this sham to be unconstitutional and people will decide it is in fact unaffordable (especially when it exceeds its "expense limits" by over 100%). then maybe it can go away so the emphasis is on "earned entitlements"

    Twitter: @michaelhag

    by MichaelPH on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 05:27:25 PM PDT

  •  I'm not angry, because I can't get angry at (1+ / 0-)
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    people who are ignorant, pathologically credulous, and/or mentally deficient. Frustrated, absolutely. Flabbergasted, too. But not really angry.

    On the other hand here's something that has been building up inside me: why aren't people picketing and shaming the GOP-led House of Representatives? It seems like there is a constant barrage of anti-Obama b.s. raining down on us, yet, as anyone with a trace of objectivity knows, President Obama has been limited to an unprecedented degree by outright obstructionism by the opposition party. It's shameful, it's embarrassing, and it harms the entire nation but especially the relatively unfortunate among us. It's and outrage.

    People are showing up on grassy knolls with loaded long arms, but AFAIK, no one is picketing the Supreme Court or Congress in response to their shameful behavior.

    It's easy for me to say, because I'm in California and there's no way I could go to Washington to picket GOP extremists in their power centers. But even so, it seems strange that we never read about anyone doing it, yet right-wing extremists are out there almost every day.

  •  Then we are all... (0+ / 0-)

    truly fucked.  I need to opposing, frothing, and rabid political parties like I need an 8th hole in my head.

    Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

    by mim5677 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 at 07:43:49 PM PDT

  •  I'm angry but I prefer not to show it. (2+ / 0-)
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    Passive/aggressive is my way.

    For example: Remember when the teabaggers first started wrapping themselves in the flag, blathering on about "We the People"?  

    Well, that infuriated me so I convinced our county's Democratic Party to enter a float in at least one parade in every town.  We borrowed a pickup truck/trailer with some hay bales and decorated it with a shitload of red white and blue balloons, some bunting and about 100 American flags.

    A bunch of us rode in the back in every parade, waving flags and tossing candies with flags on the wrappers to the kids watching.  One member played patriotic songs on his trumpet.

    Oh, forgot to mention we had our county Democratic Party banners on both sides of the trailer and pictures of that year's Dem candidates.

    It was patriotic overload!  And man, did it feel good.

    I figured we took the flag back from the teabaggers that summer.

  •  Obediently belligerent? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm pissed and I DO BITE. The last Republican that started talking shit to me was in for a rude awakening. They mistakenly think just because they're around Southern White people we ALL must agree . I tore apart EVERY talking point they parroted from Fixed News one by one with just the facts. We have every single fact on OUR side. A majority of Americans want everything we want. They only have lies and general talking points completely devoid of facts. To quote Conan The Barbarian, "I want to see their heads on pikes, their children driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of their women". Do you think I'm pissed ? OH YEA ! And if some Right Winger wants some , here I am, come get some.

  •  We all better get (0+ / 0-)

    Angrier or busier or more involved or blunter or all of the above. Think for a minute about America the way it was when you were 18. For me that was 1970. There were plenty of things wrong with our country at that time including the ongoing Viet Nam war. Richard Nixon was in the White House. Compared to now, that time seems like paradise lost. The people in power then were dishonest warmongering bums, like now, but they apparently had lines they wouldn't cross or didn't dare cross. Today's rulers have no restraint no lines they won't cross to crush our democracy and downgrade our standard of living. They have taken power never meant to be wielded by the leaders of a free society and become rulers of a society that is no longer free. The world we pass to our children and grandchildren is no small thing.

  •  What if the DCCC actually got out the vote? (0+ / 0-)

    If they spent 1/10 of the time and money they spend on junk mail and emails begging for money, they could get the 18-24's and the poor registered and voting. No more GOP. What a concept. If that happened, they wouldn't have as many crises to draw from to scare us with because the GOP wouldn't be a force. It's the number of votes, stupid, not the amount of campaign money. I will not believe this is a problem impossible to solve.

    The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

    by Incredulousinusa on Wed Jul 30, 2014 at 07:23:24 AM PDT

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