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According to Agence France-Presse reporters, quoted in today's Daily Mail:

A second Gaza ceasefire collapsed in just six minutes this morning after an Israeli F16 jet destroyed a house in a beach-side refugee camp, killing an eight-year-old girl and wounding dozens.

Witnesses and several AFP correspondents based at a nearby hotel, reported hearing the whistle of a missile fired from an F16 warplane before it crashed into a three-story house wedged between two tall buildings inside the beachfront Shati refugee camp.

An AFP correspondent said the strike hit at 0706 GMT - just six minutes into the ceasefire.

The accompanying photos on the Daily Mail website are heart-rending. Now France, which had been hedging its criticisms of the IDF and the Gaza slaughter, has come off the fence:
Today, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius' statement was one of the strongest given by a western European nation.

He said: “How many more deaths will it take to stop what must be called the carnage in Gaza?,” according to English-language French outlet The Local.

Addressing a thousands-strong rally in Istanbul, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, who is facing an election on Aug.10, went further:
"Just like Hitler, who sought to establish a race free of all faults, Israel is chasing after the same target," Erdogan told the sea of cheering supporters at an Istanbul arena.

"They kill women so that they will not give birth to Palestinians; they kill babies so that they won't grow up; they kill men so they can't defend their country ... They will drown in the blood they shed," he said.


Kurdish candidate Selahattin Demirtas, running a distant third in the polls, urged Erdogan on Sunday to cut economic and military ties with Israel instead of "screaming and shouting". Turkey was once Israel's closest regional ally.

"Forget the shouting ... If you want to provide help to the Palestinian people, stop fooling the people. With a serious boycott, let's all together stop the Israeli state's policies of massacres," he told tens of thousands of supporters at a rally that was also held on the Asian side of Istanbul.

In the UK, meanwhile:
Britain is reviewing all arms export licences to Israel in response to the Jewish state's escalating conflict with Hamas in Gaza, a government spokeswoman said on Monday.


"We are currently reviewing all export licences to Israel to confirm that we think they are appropriate," a spokeswoman for Prime Minister David Cameron told reporters. The decision to conduct the review was taken last week, she said.

According to a report by a British parliamentary committee last month, outstanding government-approved contracts for export of dual use or military goods to Israel are worth more than 7.8 billion pounds. These include contracts to supply body armour, drone components, and missile parts.

All in all, I think it's fair to say that Likud's 'we're just killing telegenic human shields' line isn't going as well as they had hoped.

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  •  Y'know, (11+ / 0-)

    I've always been more or less pro-Israel.

    No longer.

    Not under Netanyahu, and not with their current policies.

    I revile their politics.

    I appreciate that they got Gaza in the 1967 war and don't want to give it back: but bombing innocent people is just wrong.

    Netanyahu must go. And Israel must find a way to make peace with its neighbors, or it will eventually be annihilated.

    Annihilated b/c its own damn policies led to that.

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:11:16 PM PDT

    •  it appears they are committed to the present (7+ / 0-)

      situation but it is generally conceded that the present situation is not sustainable.  All I can do as I view the current carnage is to think of Langston Hughe's poem:

      What happens to a dream deferred?

      Does it dry up
      like a raisin in the sun?
      Or fester like a sore--
      And then run?
      Does it stink like rotten meat?
      Or crust and sugar over--
      like a syrupy sweet?

      Maybe it just sags
      like a heavy load.

      Or does it explode?

      It seems very germane today

      •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

        entlord, I would argue that this is the germane line:

        Or does it explode?
        I have nothing against Israel as a nation, but what Netanyahu is doing right now is just wrong, and it does seem likely to end in that explosion.

        No good can come from Israel's current policy.

        English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

        by Youffraita on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:49:05 PM PDT

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  •  What...were some suspected Hamas (7+ / 0-)

    members riding by on bikes?

    Each day, a new horror.

    I've got three tools in my arsenal: my voice, my wallet and my vote.

    by ExpatGirl on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 01:15:13 PM PDT

  •  What do we do??? (5+ / 0-)

    How do we make this shit stop? The bombs keep falling, and they have plenty more bombs, and they don't seem to have any willingness to stop. I really do try to stay optimistic, but what the fuck are we supposed to do here?

    •  well, quit believing he D party lies (3+ / 6-)

      look very hard for real, honest candidates with hard core anti-war beliefs

      Perhaps DennisK.?

      One thing for sure, the real progressives in the Dem Party were suckered into the biggest swindle in my lifetime, not once….but twice! with the election of PBO.

      He is nothing but a neo con. Apparently even a half white man "speak with forked tongue".

      Here's the latest from Snowden:

      The new documents underscore the indispensable, direct involvement of the U.S. government and its key allies in Israeli aggression against its neighbors. That covert support is squarely at odds with the posture of helpless detachment typically adopted by Obama officials and their supporters.

      President Obama, in his press conference on Friday, said ”it is heartbreaking to see what’s happening there,” referring to the weeks of civilian deaths in Gaza – “as if he’s just a bystander, watching it all unfold,” observed Brooklyn College Professor Corey Robin. Robin added: ”Obama talks about Gaza as if it were a natural disaster, an uncontrollable biological event.”

      The new Snowden documents illustrate a crucial fact: Israeli aggression would be impossible without the constant, lavish support and protection of the U.S. government, which is anything but a neutral, peace-brokering party in these attacks. And the relationship between the NSA and its partners on the one hand, and the Israeli spying agency on the other, is at the center of that enabling.
    •  Palestinian Iron Dome (0+ / 0-)

      Let them shoot down the rockets before they cross a border.

      Give them citizenship or give them a country and stay the fuck out of it.

      Why can't see they are becoming the monsters that our grandfathers fought against?

      Now all we need is a 'Final Solution' proposal from the Kinneset...oh wait

      Aren't there any more Holocaust survivors in Israel to talk sense?

      Why do we sponsor this religious-based government, when they have obviously started being an aggressor-nation?

      Oh wait, I forgot where I was talking from. Never mind.

      Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Kurt Vonnegut

      by ToKnowWhy on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:52:22 PM PDT

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    •  Support the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (6+ / 0-)

      BDS Movement. You can learn what to Boycott here. If you are a part of some organization such as a church or a school you can push them to divest from Israeli companies, or companies that support Israel.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:38:24 PM PDT

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      •  Oh look, Eden foods is on there. (1+ / 0-)
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        They're doubling up on the boycott, what with their Hobby-Lobby crap.

      •  The dilemma (1+ / 0-)
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        In part, is that BDS is a slow play.  It's not going to have an effect within the next couple of weeks, by which point Israel could essentially flatten Gaza.  Also, it feeds into the same narrative of the Israeli far right that they don't want US military aid, they don't give a shit about our economy, and they'll take what they want.

        The BDS movement assumes the Israeli government is a rational actor.  In the past, it was rational.  But these days, it's nationalism with an apocalyptic streak.

        There is the risk that if you back them into a corner, they lash out.

        •  The Israel of the past (2+ / 0-)
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          When my mom lived there, back in the 1970s, before I was born, had a Left.  The majority of the population was secular.  And there was a lot more freedom of movement on both sides, with a much greater degree of interaction between Jews and Arabs.  Things were far from perfect, and inexcusably unequal, (and in my opinion inherently flawed, as I believe it should be a shared state with a binational identity), but the population was at least reasonable, and rational, and there could likely be a debate on these issues.

          But today, who is moving to Israel? The religious, nationalist right.  And they've taken over the political system.  So you're dealing with an irrational government.

        •  Although a sufficient threat of boycott (0+ / 0-)

          might encourage the business people over there to start pressuring the government.

          If they won't see reason, perhaps some greens would help.

  •  And the Israeli right, the hardliners (5+ / 0-)

    They don't care if the world is against them.  That just feeds their narrative.  They're the ones even saying they don't need US military or economic aid, because they don't want the US or others to still have what little leverage that they have. And then they can virtually do whatever they want.

  •  One problem (4+ / 0-)
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    your article specifically said that the israeli crase fire - which Hamas said it would not honor - didn't apply to the neighborhood where the attack happened.

    Who would have guess the guardian having a headline that directly contradicted the reporting in the story. Never would have guessed.

    Either way, just an important note to remember.

    (and because i have to say this every time now otherwise I'm called a nazi, bloodsthirty, racist, terrorist, and genocidal maniac, my statements above do not mean I support the attack, every action Israel takes or the death of civilians.)

  •  it's nice that you are trying to circumvent (1+ / 0-)
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    the prohibition on comparing Israel to Nazis by quoting the Islamist Turkish president. If you really wanted to, I bet you could find a bunch of other similar quotes from other Islamists. Just like Hitler!

    •  Goodwin's law (3+ / 0-)
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      doesn't apply when talking about Israel.

      How have we not learned that yet.

      ISIS killing thousands of people in a matter of days for practicing the wrong type of Islam isn't genocide though. I'll wait for world leaders to start throwing around the Hitler word when it comes to ISIS. I might have to wait a while.

      •  When a major Likud Knesset member (11+ / 0-)

        calls for the formation of concentration camps for Palestinians, so as to clear the Gaza ghetto, then yes, the Godwin shark has been jumped - by the Likud themselves.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

        by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:08:00 PM PDT

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        •  You may (1+ / 0-)
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          want to reread what concentration camps were and what he called for.

          Now I guess if you want to go literally, he said camps where gaza civilians could be concentrated to avoid civilian causalities, yea, then they are technically camps of concentration.

          But they're not concentration camps. I had family die in concentration camps, unless he added somewhere about using human ovens to heat the camps or gas chambers, then no, he didn't say what you're trying to make him say.

          Yea, what he said was stupid, but he did not call for concentration camps in the WWII Hitler sense.

          •  I am sad for the creulty dealt to your family (4+ / 0-)

            but there is a difference between concentration camps and death/extermination camps.


            I've got three tools in my arsenal: my voice, my wallet and my vote.

            by ExpatGirl on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:25:56 PM PDT

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          •  What he said wasn't stupid, it was barbaric. (1+ / 0-)
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            And it harkens back to humanity's darkest moments.

            Myself, I think Israel is acting more like 18th and 19th century America as we herded Native Americans -  those we'd displaced by a potpourri of "divine right", shady deals, outright theft and barbaric violence, along with the sellouts of feckless NA leaders - into Reservations after we'd beaten them to a pulp with our more advanced weaponry against not just their warriors but also against elders, women and children, with massacres and forced marches aplenty. And for a while the NA warriors fought back and were therefore about as reviled as Hamas is today, sometimes deservedly, sometimes not.  But we were never in the right in that long struggle, even when Indians resorted to barbarity themselves to counter our racist butchery.

            I'm sure you've read Ayelet Shaked's genocidal screed, btw. She was Bibi's assistant when he was a back bencher and was elected as Likud's coordinator just a couple years ago.  Her dehumanizing rant also fits the Godwin mold.

            No, Israel isn't exactly like the Nazis (just as they aren't behaving exactly like America's genocidal campaign against NAs or exactly like the apartheid regime of South Africa) - but the current ruling clique there sure hasn't assimilated the lessons of Shoah from a perpetrator's perspective. That's why that "stupid" remark can be not just made, but also posted as an official plea for action with the current PM from a Knesset Speaker, for crissake, because a cold, Holocaust shiver didn't run down his spine when the thought occurred to him, allowing him to dismiss it outright for the heinous idea it is.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

            by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:52:21 PM PDT

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      •  Let me know when the US starts giving ISIS... (6+ / 0-)

        ...$3 billion a year. Then you'll have a point. Until then...

        Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

        by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:22:03 PM PDT

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        •  until then (1+ / 0-)
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          ISIS has still killed more than 3 times what Israel has, with its victims being 100% civilians and no efforts (none, zero) being made to reduce civilian deaths. Oh yea, and they're about to head into Baghdad to kill more people.

          But they're not Hitler, only Israel can be hitler.

          •  ISIS is barbaric and malignant. And they exist (2+ / 0-)
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            because American neocons, at the urging of the fucking Likud, invaded Iraq without provocation thereby setting up the conditions for an al Qaida offshoot to gain a foothold and take advantage of regional disgust at the corrupt government we (who, by the way, murdered maimed and displaced millions of Iraqis which was another recruiting bonanza for the jihadists) set up and funded via multiple corrupt mechanisms.

            The Likud and their partners aren't as medievally ruthless as either ISIS or, hell, Pol Pot or any number of human butchers. There. I've said it. Break out the confetti.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

            by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:04:11 PM PDT

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            •  wait, you're somehow (0+ / 0-)

              blaming Israel for ISIS?

              This has got to be a troll, right?

              •  I'm blaming the neocons and their Likudnik (4+ / 0-)
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                Likud is to Israel as the neocons are to America. Both countries are the worse for their respective ascendancies. And the invasion of Iraq (which the Likud was vehemently urging us to do, and which the PNAC crowd was totally embedded with) midwifed ISIS and other nutcase jihadist groups, even as the USSR's invasion of Afghan midwifed (again, with US assistance) al Qaida.

                Are you a necon?  You really don't see that?

                "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

                by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:29:43 PM PDT

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                •  no, i'm not neocon (0+ / 0-)

                  but when it comes to mass murders, i tend to blame the people with the guns.

                  •  You don't blame Israel for anything (3+ / 0-)
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                    So I'm doubtful of that.

                    No War but Class War

                    by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:53:33 PM PDT

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                    •  except for all those times I have (0+ / 0-)
                      •  Really? I've seen you blame Hamas for (2+ / 0-)
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                        all the dead children again and again. When did you blame Israel?

                        Did you turn over a new leaf?

                        No War but Class War

                        by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:16:34 PM PDT

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                        •  the dozens of times (0+ / 0-)

                          that I've said that Hamas' terrorist actions do not excuse Israel for its actions. Israel fired the weapons, so they take some of that responsibility, and all of the responsibility when the intelligence is wrong.

                          But yes, Hamas, which uses human shields and fires rockets from hospital parking lots (according to FInnishTV and former human shield used by palestinians do share some responsibility.

                          The Helsingin Sanomat report was titled, ‘HS spent the night at a hospital in Gaza.’

                          Their reporter, whose name is not shown in the segment uploaded to YouTube on Friday, is reporting from outside of the hospital, where she said, “Right in the back parking lot of Al Shifa Hospital, a rocket was launched, two o’clock in the morning.”

                          “Really, it happened right in the area, the sound of it was really loud,” she said. “It’s true that rockets are launched here from the Gazan side into Israel.”

                          The Palestinians have perfected using women and children to gain the world’s sympathy and this goes back 30 years. I, as a child between 1975 and 1976 was used as a human shield in my bomb shelter. We were 9 children hiding in a bomb shelter.
                  •  Do you deny that the Likud was heavily invested (0+ / 0-)

                    politically in the Iraq War of Aggression and that they considered it an imperative that the US undertake it?  Maybe you should read some contemporaneous reporting about that.

                    (You will note Peres being one of the cheerleaders, but he was as much of Likudnik at the time as Lieberman was a neocon, and that his and Sharon's opposition was the actual Labor guy.)

                    History. It really happened.

                    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

                    by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:02:05 PM PDT

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                    •  I deny (0+ / 0-)

                      that Likud is personally killing thousands of people in Iraq and Syria for practicing the wrong for is Islam. I also deny that money for ISIS is flowing through Likud or Israel.

                      •  It's called blowback, dude. And those that created (1+ / 0-)
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                        the disasters that engendered the blowback are responsible for their part in it.  Whether they, or you, are cognizant of their culpability is irrelevant.

                        BTW, I don't think you're as obtuse as your responses imply. I think you just don't like answering questions, the answers to which undermine your positions.

                        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

                        by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:19:32 PM PDT

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            •  In case it escapes you, ISIS exists because we (3+ / 0-)
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              with Israel's urging and collusion, tilled the ground for them, so to speak. There was no al Qaida presence in that part of the Middle East (despite the pretextual lies to that effect that Bush and Cheney and Rice spewed) till the neocons and their Likudnik cheerleaders gave them the ideal conditions to establish their noxious brand of Islam there and in Syria.

              The Likud needs Hamas just as the neocons needed al Qaida and Saddam. Sometimes I think their religion isn't really Judaism but Zoroastrianism: they can't operate except in a cosmic good/evil paradigm. The beauty and subtlety and poetry of the Jewish tradition is less than a sideshow for them.

              "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

              by nailbender on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:23:30 PM PDT

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      •  ISIS (0+ / 0-)

        is subject to far stronger language, but they aren't killing people based on ethnicity, but religion.

        Frankly, I'd go out on a limb and say that ISIS is easily as bad as the Nazis, just without the industrial scale machinery to carry out their horrendous world view.  There are whole depths of depravity out there and ISIS seems to be of a mind to thoroughly explore them

    •  Tayyip Erdogan is not some just some random (13+ / 0-)

      Muslim blogger. He is the Prime Minister of Turkey - a country that was a very strong ally of the US in the ME. As such his public statements are very important.

    •  Let me see: the Prime Minister of one of the.. (6+ / 0-)

      ...largest and most powerful nations in the region, Israel's former strongest ally in the region, says this and what? Ignore it? Pretend he didn't say it? It's news, whether you like it or not. But nice try at deflection.

      Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

      by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:20:03 PM PDT

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      •  strongest ally? (3+ / 0-)
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        Turkey is the main funder of Hamas.

        That's one crappy ally.

        •  This is what you apologists... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...for the Likud war criminals are trying to justify. Just another 'human shield', right?

          Gaza City (Palestinian Territories) (AFP):

          Lying on his bed in a Gaza hospital, three-year-old Yamin now sees the world from behind burns which have disfigured him for life. The tiny boy is just one of hundreds of burn victims and those wounded by Israeli shell fire overwhelming Gaza's sole working operating theatre for plastic surgeons.

          He also has burns on his back and multiple fractures suffered when an Israeli strike decimated his family and destroyed their home in Al-Buraj, central Gaza, last week.

          It was the evening. The start of Eid al-Fitr, the festival marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
          In a single strike, the house was turned to rubble and 19 people lay dead. Yamin, miraculously, was the sole survivor but he was left an orphan and badly burnt.

          He was taken to a clinic then rapidly transferred to the burns department at the Shifa hospital in Gaza, where he cries, lying naked, and where a handful of surgeons are now confronted with the endless horrors of the war.

          Do you think that 3 year-old is 'telegenically' wounded enough for Netanyahu?

          Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

          by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:49:58 PM PDT

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          •  so when you're proven wrong (0+ / 0-)

            that's the talking point you go to?

            Do you have that saved for just such an occasion?

            It's OK to admit that turkey funds Hamas. And that Hamas is a terrorist organization. And that Hamas is an anti-semetic organization.

            •  A burned 3 year-old is a 'talking point'? (0+ / 0-)

              You and 'telegenically dead' Netanyahu deserve each other.

              As for being 'proven wrong': don't spout drivel. Proven wrong about what? That Turkey is a member of NATO? That it was, until recently, Israel's strongest ally in the region?

              As for 'Turkey funds Hamas', repeating something endlessly doesn't make it true (although a man named Goebels advised using this technique to make things 'true').

              Provide evidence or stop. Your first link is not evidence, just gossip; the Daily Beast link proves nothing.

              Try harder.

              Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

              by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:16:08 PM PDT

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        •  no, actually, that's not true (1+ / 0-)
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          Hamas receives a lot of funding from Palestinian expats, and Iran.  Turkey doesn't merit a mention  But I guess in your worldview every islamist is the same person or something

          •  more recent info (0+ / 0-)


            300 Million annually from Turkey to Hamas.

            I'll accept your apology and correction at any time.

            •  You didn't actually read the article (3+ / 0-)
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              I can tell. It says that Turkey "may" provide funding in the future to make up for the shortfall from Iran, not that it has or will.  In any event, this appears to be for the purposes of funding the civil administration, which is hardly nefarious.  Israel ought to be picking up the full tab for its occupation, but it doesn't so others have to step up to provide governance and humanitarian aid.  for a description of the various funding sources, including the EU and Israel, Forbes has an interesting review.

              •  your article is from 1999 (0+ / 0-)

                Again, more recently the money has been coming from Turkey.

                From the WSJ

                Qatar and Turkey, however, have supplanted Iran as the biggest financial backers of Hamas in recent years, according to U.S. and Israeli officials. Qatar alone has pledged to fund the salaries of the Gaza Strip’s local, Hamas-dominated government.
                More background
                The latest missile attacks by Hamas were preceded by the kidnapping and execution of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas operatives. The Hamas leader urging kidnappings of Israelis in the West Bank is named Saleh al-Arouri, and he operates from Turkey.

                The kidnappings were preceded by a concerted effort by al-Arouri to fund and plan such operations. He may or may not have masterminded this specific attack, but it was the fruition of his orders. Hamas officially denies involvement, but Israel has identified the kidnappers as Hamas terrorists that were previously arrested and released.

                Israeli intelligence has reportedly concluded that Turkey has been the top financial sponsor of Hamas since 2012, with Erdogan arranging for the transfer of $250 million to the terrorist group annually. Another report puts the figure at $300 million. The funding comes from private sources he is close to and not from the official budget. Turkey is also said to have trained Hamas security forces in Gaza through non-governmental groups.

                The report said that Turkey coordinates the fundraising with Qatar, another supposed U.S. ally. Members of Congress have asked Qatar to stop financing Hamas. Khaled Meshaal, the political leader of Hamas, lives in Qatar and even gave an extremist sermon at its Grand Mosque. The U.S. blocked a $400 million aid package from Qatar to pay 44,000 employees of the Hamas government in Gaza.

                Also, IMO there is no "civil" part of Hamas. There is simply the terrorist organization, the cover operation. Think of it like the mob, they may have owned a dry cleaners, they may have even cleaned clothes once, but no one is giving the dry cleaners hundreds of millions of dollars to get out a ketchup stain.
                •  You really should provide links, please (0+ / 0-)

                  It makes your comments less useful when you don't.

                  Israeli intelligence has reportedly concluded
                  This is why people are skeptical of the claim. Do you have any other support except articles relying on Israeli intelligence? Because that's like claiming that Bush had intelligence that Iraq had WMD in terms of reliability. I feel foolish for having pushed that line without looking deeper at where the information came from.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:58:19 PM PDT

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                •  Good catch (1+ / 0-)
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                  The claim that Hamas was behind the kidnapping was denied by Israel, by the way.  Still this is better information een if Israeli intelligence is not a credible source.

                  And there is a civil arm that pays for bureaucrats and fuctionaries, propaganda notwithstanding. ( I guess similar attitudes explain why Israel seems to think that power plants and schools are legitimate targets). As I said, finding those operations is hardly objectionable, only the military wing.  Of course good luck teasing that out of courae

                •  And there is a civil part of Hamas (0+ / 0-)

                  no matter how much you deny it exists. It's one of the reasons they have the popularity they have.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:38:58 PM PDT

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        •  The US has a defense treaty with Turkey (1+ / 0-)
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          Which is something Israel can't claim. And since Hamas doesn't attack the US funding Hamas doesn't even come into it.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:46:01 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe Israel should have thought of that (0+ / 0-)

          before attacking Turkish ships in international waters.  I mean, the US eats that shit up with a spoon, but some countries do not.

    •  So you don't want to know that he's saying (1+ / 0-)
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      that shit? We shouldn't even point out when people compare Israel to Nazis? You should probably tell that to people who have been writing diaries about antisemitism then. They've been rightfully pointing out who's been saying shit like that for a while now.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:40:12 PM PDT

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    •  It's not like many are thinking of the irony (1+ / 0-)
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      of former victims of genocide perpetuating genocide of their own design.

      Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

      by The Dead Man on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:47:44 PM PDT

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    •  Blah blah distract distract. (0+ / 0-)

      Anything to obfuscate the crimes being committed.


  •  Erdogan is subtraction by addition (0+ / 0-)

    His demagoguery drags down your diary.

    "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

    by Paleo on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:19:36 PM PDT

  •  UK decision to review (5+ / 0-)

    armaments contracts.   We have several laws about Arms Export Controls.  
    Kucinich tried the last time:

    In January 2009, Congressman Dennis Kucinich sent a notice to Secretary of State, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, that Israel’s actions in Gaza since December 27, 2008 may constitute a violation of the requirements of the AECA. The AECA requires that each nation that receives a shipment of arms from the United States must certify that the weapons are used for internal security and legitimate self-defense, and that their use does not lead to an escalation of conflict. However, the AECA does not define "internal security" or "legitimate self-defense." Kucinich said that Israel's actions in Gaza killed nearly 600 and injured over 2,500, including innocent civilians and children in residential areas and civilian institutions like schools. Kucinich said that this may have violated the AECA because they didn't further Israel's internal security or legitimate self-defense, but increased the possibility of an outbreak or escalation of conflict.[9] The charges were denied by the IDF and no action has been taken under the act.[citation needed]
    •  Wow, the crickets following your post, (0+ / 0-)

      Vs. the comments on Turkey, would lead one to suspect that there are large elements of islamophobia running rampant.

    •  if Gaza isn't under Israeli occupation (0+ / 0-)

      then how can it be internal security?

      •  Gaza is still Occupied, (1+ / 0-)
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        Yes, the Gaza Strip is still occupied. Despite official Israeli remonstrations that the unilateral disengagement of 2005, which removed Israeli military bases and Jewish settlers, transformed Gaza into “no longer occupied territory,” neither those changes nor anything that has transpired since has ended the occupation.

        “Occupation” is a legal designation of an international nature. Israel’s occupation of Gaza continues to the present day because (a) Israel continues to exercise “effective control” over this area, (b) the conflict that produced the occupation has not ended, and (c) an occupying state cannot unilaterally (and without international/diplomatic agreement) transform the international status of occupied territory except, perhaps, if that unilateral action terminates all manner of effective control.

      •  Then it must be (0+ / 0-)

        "Legitimate self defense"

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