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I read a diary today that called upon true Jews to do something.

What is a true Jew?

I would really like to know the answer to this.

Thank you.

Update:  The update is that no one has answered this question.  (And we all know, or should know, there is no answer to this question of what is a "true Jew."

And thank you for all the HRs for the question I posed.  Very telling.

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 6-)

    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

    by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:09:13 PM PDT

  •  I have to go out soon, so won't be around (5+ / 0-)

    to respond to comments until much later.

    But I am certainly curious as to what the definition of a "true Jew" is.

    Thanks.

    PS:  I'm guessing there won't be many comments that can define that phrase.  

    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

    by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:11:14 PM PDT

    •  You are being totally disingenuous. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      doc2, falconer520, churchylafemme

      Rich in PA & I both made that reference in the 1st two comments.

      Did you, perchance, miss them?

      Many of our fellow Americans do not have the I/P issue on their front  burner.  Out in fly-over country where & when I grew up, most folks were grudgingly, indifferently tolerant of Jews & quite supportive of  Israel.

      That may be changing.  The deliberate conflating of Likud=All Israelis=Jews=American Jews may not end well.

      Israelis AND Jews need to making friends & allies, not accusing fence sitters of being terrorist sympathizers.

      "Get in the way. Create chaos. Cause trouble. " "On global warming there is no more time to change the Overton Window. We have to break it."

      by sturunner on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:13:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Just looked up Team DFH (5+ / 0-)
        This group is for the DFH in all of us. It will be dedicated to the spread of peace and love, and of being the change we seek.
        I think someone needs to reevaluate their efforts...

        A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

        by falconer520 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:06:05 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  falconer20: (0+ / 0-)
          This group is for the DFH in all of us. It will be dedicated to the spread of peace and love, and of being the change we seek.
          Just for your information, not that I owe you an explantion, I CANNOT for some reason post under my own name, so in order to post this diary, I had to choose a group I was a member of.

          so please discontinue disparaging the group DFH because they don't speak for me for this issue.  If I didn't choose a group, I couldn't post.

          another gos issue.  I don't complain about, and neither should you admonish a group that has nothing to do with what I posted.

          I will await your apology.  

          Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

          by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:15:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  take your time. wander around in the desert (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      poco, auapplemac, JoanMar, Alhambra

      for a few hundred years. the answer's out there somewhere.
      perhaps a very old tree or bush might chat you up.
      be patient. keep going.
      stay going.

      Stop Coddling Republicans. Fight. Give Them Nil. No Comity. No Courtesy. They Have Forfeited Any Expectation Of Civility. Treat Them Exactly As They Deserve. With Disdain. With Ostracism. We Are Democrats, Not Doormats!

      by renzo capetti on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:28:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You do know, I hope, (3+ / 0-)

    that there are 40 different sides to any given story BEFORE a third person gets involved.

    Strength and dignity are her clothing, she rejoices at the days to come; She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the law of kindness is on her tongue.

    by loggersbrat on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:12:11 PM PDT

  •  Umm,... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mnemosyne42, Alhambra

    ...one who avoids paying full retail at all cost?  /snark

    And, yes I am Jewish.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:15:57 PM PDT

    •  bo/please. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tikkun, grover

      Stop Coddling Republicans. Fight. Give Them Nil. No Comity. No Courtesy. They Have Forfeited Any Expectation Of Civility. Treat Them Exactly As They Deserve. With Disdain. With Ostracism. We Are Democrats, Not Doormats!

      by renzo capetti on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:30:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not sure that comment is HRable, but it is (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      grover

      disgusting.

      Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

      by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:16:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm surprised it's not been HR'd. (0+ / 0-)

        I can claim to be anything online that I want. I can put a snark tag on any ugly stereotype that I want. But ugly bigoted comments are always exactly that.

        Nevertheless, I'm coming into this diary late.

        So I'll hold off-- at least for now. I'm not sure that's the best decision. Let me think about it more.

        Wow, though. What a horrible comment, and definitely not funny.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 06:43:39 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Oh, I see the post (16+ / 0-)

    to which you're referring. When you start taking about the true Christian position, or the true Jewish position in public policy debates, you're doing it wrong. It makes no difference whether or not Bibi is bad Jew or great Jew.  

  •  I believe the definition is (6+ / 0-)

    similar to - "real American."

    Frankly, I’m getting more than a little tired of hearing from angry America. I’m also less than fond of knee-jerk America. And when you combine the two with the Internet, you too often get stupid America, which is really annoying.

    by jsfox on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:20:51 PM PDT

  •  Playing dumb on an Internet forum (7+ / 0-)

    Generally does not go well.

  •  You are being disingenuous. (9+ / 0-)

    You know what he was referring to. You know it was a play on Wiesel telling the Palestinians to elect "true Muslims."

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:25:37 PM PDT

    •  "Wiesel" was not mentioned in the diary. (6+ / 0-)

      Readers are supposed to have ESP?  

      Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

      by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:32:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I read that diary and your comments in it. (6+ / 0-)

        The number of times the diarist told you to read the advertisement with you ignoring it was absurd.

        If you want to have an honest debate on the subject I am all for it.  I understood what Wiesel was saying but it was easily misinterpreted. acting as if that diary had no context is just wrong. The diarist should have linked to the advertisement but the moment you got the context you should have acknowledged it and not written this diary which just compounds the error of not providing context in their diary.

        Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

        by Mike S on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:08:37 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Pleae post that link. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Victor Ward, enhydra lutris

          I missed it.

          thank you.

          But you know what?  And I know you do.  That's a cop-out.

          I directly asked that diarist the definition of a "true Jew" and whether they believe Hamas is a terrorist organization.

          I REPEATEDLY SAID YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO ANSWER ME.

          Of course they never answered me, but just insulted me.

          No respect for that person.

          Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

          by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:14:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  True, of course. (0+ / 0-)

      But it was still a shitty move on IA's part, and I see none of the usual suspects wringing their hands here voicing any issues with his abortion of a diary.

      Unapologetic Obama supporter.

      by Red Sox on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:10:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A "true Jew" is someone - Jew or Jewess- (10+ / 0-)

    who answers the iconic call, "Justice, Justice, You shall pursue" but only after arguing about it for hours with another Jew who says, "but on the other hand".

  •  You aren't interested at all (19+ / 0-)

    in the answer to your question.  Your diary is flamebait with the classic second comment -- "I'll be gone so talk amonst yourselves."  Utterly pathetic.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:30:11 PM PDT

  •  Very telling: (4+ / 0-)

    Two hit and run HRs for the tip jar:

    falconer520, sturunner

    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

    by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:34:24 PM PDT

  •  Disgusting. n/t (4+ / 0-)

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:37:45 PM PDT

  •  The I/P issues is a very serious issue. (6+ / 0-)

    Your continued malign desire to slander and fabricate straw men does not add to the discourse.

    A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

    by falconer520 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:38:59 PM PDT

    •  Of course it's very serious. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mets102, Victor Ward, JayRaye

      I've never read a comment here who said it wasn't serious.

      But when you tip and rec this diary below, yet HR my diary when I ask a serious question, to me that says you're being disingenuous.

      Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
          Rich in PA, white blitz, Retroactive Genius, sturunner, lcrp, Mr Horrible, falconer520, churchylafemme, Euroliberal, SCFrog

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I asked the question  of the meaning a "true Jew."

      Yet you HRed my tip jar because apparently you think I'm not being serious.  

      You accuse me of having a desire to slander.  Slander, really?

      Let's hear your definition of a "true Jew."

      Have you posted that definition here at Dkos?  If so, would you please post a link.

      Thank you.

      And PS, your HR doesn't "hurt" my status here at DKos, but it does, in my opinion, make you look disingenuous.

      Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

      by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:55:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  This diary neither maligns nor (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Cofcos, Patango, gooderservice, JayRaye

      slanders anybody and it does not fabricate any straw men. Your criticism is inane bullshit.

      I have read the comments this far and nobody has answered the question, but 5 of yu have HRd the tip jar, without any explanation or justification.

      I'm uprating becasue there is nothing whtsoever HR worthy about this diary. Your sorry assed excuse for a comment is proof of that fact.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:27:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Diarist called me a bigot for using kosher salt. (6+ / 0-)

        Or rather, using a recipe from Mario Battali that called for kosher salt.

        Now, maybe that's just one of those comments that I'm going to enjoy telling forever.  But I think it shows that he was trolling from the get go.  

        Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

        by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:35:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not in this diary he didn't. It is allegedly (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Cofcos, gooderservice

          an HR worthy offense to dig up old spats and bring them into current discussions,, but that is all people have when slinging mud over old grudges, so enjoy yourself.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:49:13 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  My father is a Jew, though he is not religious (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pilsner, JoanMar

    and raised as a Christian. I'm a half-Jew, I suppose.

    Also, none of that is any part of anyone's business.

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:39:25 PM PDT

    •  Pardon my agnosticism (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      commonmass, Mother Shipper, JoanMar

      I thought it had to do with the mother?

      “A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” —Aldous Huxley

      by ActivistGuy on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:46:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree. (5+ / 0-)

      That's why the call out for "true Jews" is so disgusting.

      Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

      by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:56:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Please retitle your diary: The Call Out for True (13+ / 0-)

        Jews is so Disgusting."  

        I get that you are angry and you wish to play a diary game of "I won't define my disagreement, you define my disagreement, and then I'll show you how that's wrong" about a topic that is very emotional and very heated.  

        But you do yourself and your position a disservice by a statement made disingenuously in the form of a question.  It's not really an open question, it's an expression of your anger.  

        I'd rather hear honest discourse, I'd rather hear the source of your absolutely justified anger, and this diary, in this way, does not further that.  

        You have a right to your opinion and respect for that opinion, even if others disagree.  But this is not the right way, I think.

        "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:15:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't play games like this: (0+ / 0-)
          I get that you are angry and you wish to play a diary game
          Maybe that's your schtick, but not mine.

          Blah, blah, blah, but you still didn't answer the question.  Which I predicted no one would.  And you certainly didn't.

          Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

          by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:20:00 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Here is a reason (7+ / 0-)

            you won't ever get an answer you do not really seek.  Uncle Moji gave you a helpful response and you return the favor with your snotty comment.  Then all over this thread you DEMAND an answer and insult people like Adam B like you are owed something for your shitestirring nonsense -- and the fact that you used a group of "peace love and joy" to do it.  

            Continue your nasty tirade through the thread.  At least more folks can see the natural tenor of your general comments elsewhere.

            " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

            by gchaucer2 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:32:24 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I don't respect you nor anything you say. (0+ / 0-)

              Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

              by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 04:44:17 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Your diary proves that. I am willing to listen (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Catte Nappe, gchaucer2

                to you, and to take your points.  But you prefer to engage in a public (and in my view, humiliating) tantrum.  You deserve better than that.  

                My own view is that this will pass.  And I rarely, if ever, hold anyone to their last bad or immature act.  So I will approach your next diary, as I did with this one, with an open mind and an open heart.  

                Please do not squander the opportunities you still have to change other people's hearts and minds about a issue that is so important, what you believe is more important that that.  This diary, and your conduct in it, is simply sad.

                But tomorrow is another day.

                Be well.

                "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

                by Uncle Moji on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 08:56:45 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

      •  If my paternal grandmother and her family (0+ / 0-)

        had not come to this country, I would never have been born. And her father fought for Austria-Hungary in WW I.

        "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

        by commonmass on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:06:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  A "true Jew" (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mets102, gooderservice, grover

    Is whatever they decide it is, based on the whimsy of the day. Your identity matters not, just so long as some can tell you who you are.

    Of course that diary was offensive, there is plenty find offensive around here lately. The diarist was clumsy with his language, and clod footed with his execution, and should frankly rewrite it or delete for the sake of the 99% of the site who dare not venture into I/P diaries, and have no idea what he was referencing.

    That won't happen though.

    This revolution is not scheduled!

    by harrylimelives on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:50:38 PM PDT

  •  I'll go with this answer (16+ / 0-)

    From former DK FP'er Kaili Joy Gray:

    ...It is true that American Jews, like American anyone else, are not a monolith. Even though, yes, the majority of us sit proudly in the dirty fucking hippie liberal camp, we do not all agree with each other about everything. Or most things. In fact, not agreeing is sort of our thing. Thousands of years of scholarship and sacred texts are devoted to not agreeing with each other. We love to not agree. Two Jews, three opinions, right? (OR MAYBE NOT RIGHT? OR MAYBE RIGHT AND NOT RIGHT!)

    Here is one truth upon which many of us could probably more or less agree: Jews do not need to be told how to Jew. The secular ones, the orthodox ones, the “Hey, I go to shul on the High Holidays” ones, the uber-hawkish-like-some-kind-of-white-evangelical ones, the every-other-kind-of-Jew-who-can-Jew ones. We all Jew in our own way. We certainly don’t need advice on how to Jew from evangelical schmucks (that’s Jewspeak for stupid penis) like Tony Perkins, who whined like a whiny crybaby in June that “liberal Jewish folk” who support marriage equality and reproductive rights (i.e., most of us) are DESTROYING AMERICA!!!...

  •  RECIPE: Cacio e Pepe (11+ / 0-)

    Ingredients
     •Kosher salt
    •6 ounces pasta (such as egg tagliolini, bucatini, or spaghetti)
    •3 tablespoons unsalted butter, cubed, divided
    •1 teaspoon freshly cracked black pepper
    •3/4 cup finely grated Grana Padano or Parmesan
    •1/3 cup finely grated Pecorino

    Preparation

    Bring 3 quarts water to a boil in a 5 quart pot. Season with salt; add pasta and cook, stirring occasionally, until about 2 minutes before tender. Drain, reserving 3/4 cup pasta cooking water.

    Meanwhile, melt 2 tablespoons butter in a large heavy skillet over medium heat. Add pepper and cook, swirling pan, until toasted, about 1 minute.

    Add 1/2 cup reserved pasta water to skillet and bring to a simmer. Add pasta and remaining butter. Reduce heat to low and add Grana Padano, stirring and tossing with tongs until melted. Remove pan from heat; add Pecorino, stirring and tossing until cheese melts, sauce coats the pasta, and pasta is al dente. (Add more pasta water if sauce seems dry.) Transfer pasta to warm bowls and serve.

    Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

    by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 01:57:58 PM PDT

  •  I am close to HRing this diary (13+ / 0-)

    It's a naked attempt to continue a flame war from a diary where it's already got plenty of kindling, into another space.  This diary does not serve to enhance anyone's understanding of anything.

  •  So no one was able to answer the question. (3+ / 1-)
    Recommended by:
    Mets102, RedsFanForever, Mannie
    Hidden by:
    doc2

    I thought so.  Many of us knew that questions would never be answered because it's an asinine question, yet in another diary, "true Jews" were told what to do.

    So many excuses and insults and asinine comments and diversions and recipes speaks volumes.

    I'm done in this diary.

    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

    by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:21:24 PM PDT

    •  You just went from disingenuous to a complete (5+ / 0-)

      lack of integrity. And that is why I rarely venture into I/P diaries.

      Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

      by Mike S on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:25:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It was a dumbass, flambait question with (11+ / 0-)

      your disingenuous "I really want to know" added.

      So I'm really glad nobody answered it.  And I'm glad you're fucking off from your own diary, considering.

      Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

      by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:28:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sometimes even long-time (5+ / 0-)

        members here act so dickish that you know there must be something shitty that happened to them today. So they hop onto the keyboard and start fucking with whoever falls into their trap, obviously enjoying themselves all the while. This is one of those moments.

      •  But here you are warming yourself by the flames (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        DeadHead, gooderservice

        I sing praises in the church of nonsense, but in my heart I'm still an atheist, demanding sense of all things.

        by jbou on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:47:15 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  (.......) (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          gchaucer2, poco

          Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

          by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:07:23 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I know (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            leftykook

            But I don't whine about flame bait and then spend time around the fire Anyway. I am here because I saw the flames and I can't help myself, like a moth bumping against the bulb.

            I sing praises in the church of nonsense, but in my heart I'm still an atheist, demanding sense of all things.

            by jbou on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:35:33 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  No, you're whining about his being a dick (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              poco, emelyn

              and then go out of your way to be a dick to me.  

              Anyway. I am here because I saw the flames and I can't help myself, like a moth bumping against the bulb.
              And DeadHead can't help but rec your hypocrisy, because as he himself says,
              I'll rec almost any comment... (2+ / 0-)

              ...in opposition to you.

              If that makes me a "toady," I'm fine with that.

              http://www.dailykos.com/...
              Anyone else want to pick a fight with me today?  

              Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

              by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:42:12 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  you do know I'm a dick sometimes. (1+ / 0-)
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                poco

                And the diarist is being a dick and not owning it. I don't respect that. You gotta own your personality flaws or you're just a delusional fool.

                and I'm not responsible for Deadhead's behavior.

                I sing praises in the church of nonsense, but in my heart I'm still an atheist, demanding sense of all things.

                by jbou on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:54:47 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

                You had that one ready-to-post, didn't you?

                Somebody rec'd a comment made to you, and you go into VICTIM MODE.




                Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                by DeadHead on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 05:17:25 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  You said you were proud of that one. (0+ / 0-)

                  And you said you were proud of the sig line quote.  

                  Now you seem to be upset that someone is listing your greatest hits.  

                  I hope you're okay.

                  Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

                  by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 05:32:12 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Read my comment again, and... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...show me where you got the impression that I'm "upset" or that I'm not proud.

                    You're the one playing victim over a comment rec, not me.




                    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                    by DeadHead on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 06:02:19 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Glad to hear you say you're proud. (0+ / 0-)

                      I'm glad because it's your permission to continue to quote your pearls to the general community as I see fit.

                      And you'll be glad to have all your wisdom rescued from dead threads and select diaries.

                      And of course, the general community will find them enlightening.  

                      Good times.  Right?

                      Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

                      by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 06:23:12 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I'm proud... (0+ / 0-)

                        ...of every single one of my comments to you, and have never indicated otherwise.

                        You're in VICTIM MODE now, but you'll be back in DICK MODE tomorrow, just like you were yesterday.

                        You dish it out just fine, but when you start getting some back, usually by more than one person, you're being ABUSED and BULLIED and people are being MEAN to you, all of the sudden.

                        Typical of your personality type.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:16:02 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Now that I have your permission to republish (0+ / 0-)

                          your pearls of wisdom as I see fit, I'll leave you to your broken caps lock key until I find a nice crowded thread in which to work your quotes.  Ta ta.

                          Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

                          by Inland on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:26:02 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  You don't need my permission... (0+ / 0-)

                            You just did it above without asking, didn't you?

                            And since you've taken the liberty of interpreting "proud" as meaning "permission," I'll take your intent to post my "pearls of wisdom" as permission to reciprocate.

                            As you know, I've found some of your circa 2008 HRC-related commentary to be particularly inspirational.

                            I'm sure others will, too.

                            It works both ways, Inland.

                            I'm better at using site search than you are, so I'll give you a head start.

                            Good luck, and may the douche be with you.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 10:56:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Once you've decided to eschew any (0+ / 0-)

                            substance in comments, it's all the same to me.  It would be better if you were better. It would be better if you mastered some subject matter, instead of site search.  Or cared about something other than pie throwing and handwaving

                             But WPODK gotta WP, apparently.  

                            Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

                            by Inland on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 05:39:47 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

    •  Jews are a long rainbow of what you cannot/know. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      poco, Patango, voicemail

      Stop Coddling Republicans. Fight. Give Them Nil. No Comity. No Courtesy. They Have Forfeited Any Expectation Of Civility. Treat Them Exactly As They Deserve. With Disdain. With Ostracism. We Are Democrats, Not Doormats!

      by renzo capetti on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:42:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  You don't want answers (8+ / 0-)

      You don't want dialogue.
      You want confrontation and capitulation.  

      I agreed with some who said this diary was asking for flames and might even call for HRs. then I went over ans saw your comments in the other diary, and had to conclude it wasn't "might call for HRs" but absolutely does. You wanted a fight, you got a fight, you seem to be relishing the fight (and storing up grudges for future fights). i don't drop donuts often, but you sure earned this one, and would have earned more if that were allowed.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:47:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Actually, yes, I do. (1+ / 0-)
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        But it's much easier to berate me and call me a dick rather than answer the simple question I asked.

        I'm not surprised.  I expected no answers.  Because there is no answer, but yet others think they can "talk" to such people.

        No surprises here.  

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:57:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The question was answered (3+ / 0-)
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          and answered and answered and answered. I know you are not so obtuse that you didn't get it.

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 04:05:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  I thought I did... (0+ / 0-)

      exactly, precisely. You didn't respond to me. Am I below insulting?

  •  Jews supposely decended from Shem (1+ / 0-)
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    One of Noah sons ,who  is supposely is the father of  all Semite,i do not want to discuss Ham ,that is another can of worm

  •  In addition to never paying retail (5+ / 0-)

    we have this.  

    Hillel, when asked by a prospective convert to Judaism to teach him the whole Torah while he stood on one leg, replied: 'That which is hateful unto you do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole of the Torah, The rest is commentary. Go forth and study.'
  •  An operational definition (8+ / 0-)

    The question of "Who is a Jew" comes up all the time, for example when trying to decide if the Falashas should get automatic citizenship in Israel.

    My grandmother had a purely operational answer to this question. She would say, "A Jew is someone they kill, when they're killing Jews."

    (Probably not original with her, but as good as anything I've heard.)

  •  Jewish? (1+ / 0-)

    Jewish is an existential condition.  I suppose I could also offer Trilling's notion:  Jewish is an identity.

  •  A true Jew is a mensch. (7+ / 0-)

    A mensch doesn't troll.

  •  so you just wanted to be a dick (4+ / 0-)

    own it.

    I sing praises in the church of nonsense, but in my heart I'm still an atheist, demanding sense of all things.

    by jbou on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:49:07 PM PDT

    •  No, that's not my schtick. (0+ / 0-)

      Answer the fucking question.  But I know you can't.

      Yet another "respected" Kossack called for "true Jews" to act in a certain way.  Or did you miss hat.

      Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

      by gooderservice on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:23:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'll attempt to answer your question... (6+ / 0-)

    ...if you attempt to answer this:

    What is a true Muslim?

    "...I call upon the Palestinian people to find true Muslims to represent them..." - Elie Wiesel

    Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)

    by Arilca Mockingbird on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:44:01 PM PDT

  •  I rather like this answer (8+ / 0-)
    Author Naomi Wolf was challenged to read the Bible.  What she found blew her mind (her words) and probably not in the direction the challenger(s) were hoping.

    She posted the results on facebook an hour ago:

    Okay, so I was challenged below: "Read the Bible! God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people." So....I may get crucified for this but I have started to say it -- most recently (terrified, trembling) to warm welcome in a synagogue in LA: Actually if you read Genesis Exodus and Deuteronomy in Hebrew -- as I do -- you see that God did not "give" Israel to the Jews/Israelites. We as Jews are raised with the creed that "God gave us the land of Israel" in Genesis -- and that ethnically 'we are the chosen people." But actually -- and I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, I checked my reading with major scholars and they confirmed it -- actually God's "covenant" in Genesis, exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING.

    Again and again in the "covenant" language He never says: "I will give you, ethnic Israelites, the land of Israel." Rather He says something far more radical - far more subversive -- far more Godlike in my view. He says: IF you visit those imprisoned...act mercifully to the widow and the orphan...welcome the stranger in your midst...tend the sick...do justice and love mercy ....and perform various other tasks...THEN YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE AND THIS LAND WILL BE YOUR LAND. So "my people" is not ethnic -- it is transactional.

    DK

    Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

    by Patango on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:51:36 PM PDT

  •  While I don't think you meant badly (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    richardvjohnson, Gooserock

    with this diary or, most of, the comments in it and therefore disagree with the HRs. I do think it's very ill advised...

    If I take you at face value, then I can understand your frustration with not fully understanding something that seems to be accepted as common knowledge but some things are better learned through research or close observation...

    "...So the world might be mended"

    by Cofcos on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 04:00:16 PM PDT

  •  This diary raises an interesting and important (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Catte Nappe, JayRaye, poco

    question, but one which should only be addressed in a non-polemical context...

    Interestingly, this very issue is discussed at great length by controversial (to put it mildly!) Israeli historian Shlomo Sand in his latest book "How I Stopped Being a Jew" (to appear in English later this year).

    Those interested in this issue might wish to read the review in Haarez:

    http://www.haaretz.com/...

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 05:35:02 PM PDT

    •  Thank you Lepanto, finally a thotful response. (0+ / 0-)

      But it's so much easier to call names than to actually consider the question, and the context within which the question was asked.

      Thank you for the link also.

      I grew up with one side of the family insisting that they were the "true Christians" and being told that the other side of the family would burn in hell forever because they weren't "true Christians" being as how they were Lutheran and "luke-warm" and not "truely" born-again.

      So how about if we not demand that others act as "true" Christians, Muslims, or Jews. How about demanding behavior that is just and fair and does not constitute an international war crime and leave it at that.

      God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

      by JayRaye on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 06:01:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I wondered what in heck this was about.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....so I foolishly read most of the comments to see...and it became painfully obvious that there was such a shit-storm of argument, anger and disagreement, that FUCKING SIDE ARGUMENTS BROKE OUT! Side arguments broke out among some folks who regularly piss each other off and who are regularly insulting each other, and the side arguments had only the slightest thing to do with the general argument going on in the comments!

    Shaking head facepalm! (while thinking "not this shit AGAIN!)

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:21:41 PM PDT

    •  That was the Plan (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      InAntalya, poco

      There are several diaries, with the subset of usual I/P shitstorm where , in good faith, the issue of No True Scotsman could have been raised,

      If there was even an inkling of good faith,

      Instead, we get this hissy drama diary.

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