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UPDATE 6:30 PM ABC NEWS

US ready to strike, unfolding right now.

I haven't heard President Obama's speech, but New York Times is reporting.....

DOHUK, Iraq — American military forces bombed at least two targets in northern Iraq on Thursday night to rout Islamist insurgents who have trapped tens of thousands of religious minorities in Kurdish areas, Kurdish officials said.

Word of the bombings, reported on Kurdish television from the city of Erbil, came as President Obama was preparing to make a statement in Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/...
As the internal debate dragged on Thursday, Pentagon officials repeatedly and categorically denied numerous reports claiming US airstrikes or aid drops had already begun.

The US military is already helping the Iraqi government coordinate air drops of vital supplies to at least 40,000 Iraqis, mostly from the Yazidi minority, trapped on top of Mount Sinjar in the north after death threats from the Islamists who have overrun much of Sunni and northern Iraq.

http://www.theguardian.com/...

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  •  Tip Jar (16+ / 0-)

    _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

    by allenjo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 02:38:40 PM PDT

  •  I checked with (4+ / 0-)
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    enhydra lutris, Portlaw, allenjo, JesseCW

    my usual source, Al Jazeera, and didn't see anything about either report.

    Ceiling Cat rules....srsly.

    by side pocket on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 02:45:18 PM PDT

    •  maybe not our planes? (3+ / 0-)
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      Portlaw, side pocket, waterstreet2008

      what time will Obama speak?

      _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

      by allenjo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 02:49:45 PM PDT

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      •  Try Iran. (2+ / 0-)
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        Roger Fox, 207wickedgood

        They've already lost one pilot, Colonel Shoja'at Alamdari Mourjani, who got a publicized death notice in Tehran.

        It's a tough job doing ground support because ISIS armed its raiders with lots of 20mm and 23mm anti-aircraft guns (mounted on their pickup trucks.) These guns are effective against helicopters and fixed wing craft that come within their 1.5 kilometer range.

        Iran has 2 battalions of QF troops in Iraq today. Safeguarding Tikrit and Samarra gets top priority. Don't expect a major counterattack before the middle of September or as late as the first week of October -- temperatures above 110F make logistics a nightmare.

        In it to win it......

        •  Um....yes (1+ / 0-)
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          waterstreet2008

          I'm rather familiar with the capabilities of the 23mm anti-aircraft gun.

          (shudder)

          If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

          by Major Kong on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 06:46:33 PM PDT

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  •  WSJ reporting U.S. jet fighters struck targets (6+ / 0-)

    The Wall Street Journal also reported that U.S. airstrikes appeared underway.

    Anwar Haj Othman, deputy head of the Peshmerga ministry, a defense ministry for the Kurdish forces, told the Journal that U.S. jet fighters struck targets in both the Mount Sinjar plains and in a Kurdish area known as Gwair.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/...

    _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

    by allenjo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 02:48:14 PM PDT

  •  We'll see (1+ / 0-)
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    native

    I hope they do/have, although Daj has been notoriously resistant to bombing in the past.

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 02:49:27 PM PDT

  •  Kurdish TV may have tipped off..... (4+ / 0-)
    Okay, but

    (a) administration sources told the Times earlier that the White House was considering airstrikes, (

    b) the Kurds were reportedly reaching out to Turkey for airstrikes too, and

    (c) the Pentagon might have good reason to deny this even if it’s true, namely, if other operations against ISIS are in motion.

    Kurdish TV may have tipped off the enemy before it was supposed to.

    http://hotair.com/...

    _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

    by allenjo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 02:57:43 PM PDT

  •  Seems odd (3+ / 0-)
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    Portlaw, Catte Nappe, allenjo

    I wonder if the bombings were Turkish and Russian planes, while we may be air dropping relief supplies on JPADS or something, but coordinated.  

  •  it does seem odd, unless the news got out ahead of (2+ / 0-)

    Obama's announcement of same.

    Maybe airdrops started - not yet  bombing?

    The airstrikes US considering in Iraq would be separate mission from airdrops that will likely come soon, senior official tells @ABC

    _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

    by allenjo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 03:04:16 PM PDT

  •  as the Pentagon is adamantly denying this (2+ / 0-)
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    joe shikspack, gooderservice

    (and if one believes them), seems that we will have to wait for the President's speech.

    _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

    by allenjo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 03:20:12 PM PDT

  •  War is hell (1+ / 0-)
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    allenjo

    And expensive too ,Israel  has spent 2 billion dollar so far ,and  will put them  in the poor house this year

  •  Russian sold Iraq 7 SU-25s and Iran (1+ / 0-)
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    JesseCW

    says it supplied 8 more. If the Iraqis can arrange contact spotting with disguised comm, they can call in strikes at will.

    It's not quite a Warthog, but it'll do.

    Ripping pickup trucks is a matter of blasting soft targets. Problem's go to finding them and avoiding their AA guns.

    •  For those who don't know - the Soviets (2+ / 0-)
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      native, waterstreet2008

      invented the idea of putting a pilot in an armored bathtub, strapping a honking big gun to the bottom of his plane, and sending him (or her, in WWII) in low to take out armor.

      The SU 25 was the height of development of that idea, pretty much designed at the same time as the Warthog.  It's faster, a bit more maneuverable, and not quite as rugged (although still insanely durable compared to most jet aircraft).

      The Mujaheddin only ever shot down a score of them in Afghanistan, where they were used heavily, flying several sorties a day.

      Saddam used them heavily - and the Iranian only ever managed to shoot down one.

      With skilled pilots, the problem is really just finding those tacticals.  Their AA guns, deadly to helicopters, aren't as big a threat to armored targets making 400 mph runs.

      Iran is believed to have returned SU 25's that escaped to Iran in the first Gulf War.  All are apparently still operational, but the engines and the avionics date back to the early 80's.

      The Russian SU 25's have considerable up-grades....but who knows if Iraq has any pilots trained to use either.

      The UN should give Iraq a restraining order against the US.

      by JesseCW on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 05:17:57 PM PDT

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      •  Well, the Ilyushin Sturmovik is the model (0+ / 0-)

        for all ground-support planes that protect their pilots. It had the first bath tub implementation.

        "SLOW" is the key flying characteristic. The pilot has to go slow to pick out his targets.

        Then Hans Rudel got involved. His "Kanonenvogel" Stuka was upgraded -- he got everything he asked for -- two 37 mm guns borrowed over from anti-tank caisons.

        After the war Rudel was interviewed extensively. The SOB flew 2,500 missions against the Russians. His kill list is staggering. He was also shot down and seriously injured repeatedly.

        Adding the "bath tub" was the Russian innovation. They had plenty of titanium -- super strong and light. That and tripling the control systems were amazing inventions.

        And Iraq doesn't need SU-25 pilots. Not today. Iran has hundreds.

  •  And in case you didn't know (1+ / 0-)
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    joe shikspack

    these are the "moderates" we supplied in Syria.

  •  could be Assad's Syrian air force (2+ / 0-)
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    joe shikspack, allenjo

    which already bombed Isis targets in Iraq several times in late July

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 03:48:39 PM PDT

    •  Update at 7pm CDT. We apparently will do a (1+ / 0-)
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      aimeehs

      humanitarian supply drop to help the people who are stranded in Iraq. Children endangered by threat of starvation and lack of water.

      What happens if Isis opens or destroys the dam that's above Mosel?

      With so many people's hair on fire about Israel's response to rocket attacks, then why are these people so quiet about the terror that Isis and other extreme groups are imposing on so many innocents of their own race.

      It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 05:12:53 PM PDT

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  •  Don't know the latest on this but know that if (1+ / 0-)
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    allenjo

    Pentagon denies something .......

    "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

    by Funkygal on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 06:38:14 PM PDT

    •  I have searched this morning for whose planes (0+ / 0-)

      were doing the bombing and have not yet found any information.

      Certainly during the  ("last") Iraq war, we learned not to put much faith in what the Pentagon says.

      _______________The DOD/ War Department, which consumes 22% of the national budget, is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

      by allenjo on Fri Aug 08, 2014 at 08:09:54 AM PDT

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