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John Hagee is awesomely porky. Imagine a 5 foot by 5 foot by 5 foot cube with a 1x1x1 foot cube placed squarely in the middle of the top plane, the total configuration weighing in at the very least 800 pounds and you've got a reasonable image of John Hagee, born April 12, 1940, Goose Creek, Texas, to  Vada Mildred Swick and the Reverend William Bythel Hagee.

Little old Goose Creek, situated in one of the bayous just north of Galveston Bay, is now part of Baytown. From Goose Creek, John Hagee went on to Trinity University in San Antonio:

He was on a football scholarship and appeared on the Academic Dean's List. Hagee received a Master's degree in Educational Administration from the University of North Texas in Denton in 1966 and completed his theological training at Southwestern Assemblies of God University with a Diploma in Theology in Waxahachie, south of Dallas. In 1989, he received an Honorary Doctorate from Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Assemblies of God and dispensationalism:
... the 16 essential doctrines adhered to by the General Council of the Assemblies of God in the United States of America. These doctrines are heavily based on evangelical confessions of faith but differ by being clearly Pentecostal.

.... The "imminent and blessed hope" of the Church is its rapture preceding the bodily return of Christ to earth.

.... The rapture of the Church will be followed by the visible return of Christ and his reign on earth for a thousand years.

Now, this here rapture dispensationalism may or may not have Calvinistic roots according to the commentary by the Reverend Doctor Thomas Ice:
Before proceeding further I need to provide working definitions of what I mean by Calvinism and Dispensationalism. First, by Calvinism, I am speaking mainly of the theological system that relates to the doctrine of grace or soteriological Calvinism. This would include strict and modified Calvinism (i.e. four and five point Calvinism). I am referring to that aspect of Calvinism that speaks of the fallen nature of man and the elective grace of God.

Second, by Dispensationalism, I have in mind that system of theology that was developed by J. N. Darby that gave rise to its modern emphasis of consistent literal interpretation, a distinction between God's plan for Israel and the church, usually a pretribulational rapture of the church before the seventieth week of Daniel, premillennialism, and a multifaceted emphasis upon God's glory as the goal of history. This includes some who have held to such a system by may stop short of embracing pretribulationism. The focus of this article will be upon Dispensational premillennialism.

But, John Nelson Darby, the guy who thought up dispensationalsm, was clearly descended from the Anglican branch of Protestantism:
John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism in the English vernacular.
And the Plymouth Brethren can trace their roots in Anglicanism:
The Plymouth Brethren is a conservative, low church, nonconformist, Evangelical Christian movement, whose history can be traced to Dublin, Ireland, in the late 1820s, originating from Anglicanism. Among other beliefs, the group emphasizes sola scriptura, the belief that the Bible is the supreme authority for church doctrine and practice over tradition. The churches are all independent, self-governing, local congregations, and there are no central headquarters or formal affiliation with any denomination. Although the group is notable for not taking any official "church name" to itself, the title "The Brethren," is one that many of their number are comfortable with in that the Bible designates all believers as "brethren". "Brethren assemblies" are commonly perceived as being divided into at least two branches, the "Open Brethren" and the "Exclusive Brethren".
So there you got the tangled and murky and motley roots of dispensationalism theology -- and I haven't even gotten to their themes of blood, violence and gore -- and Israel yet. And, there's the pesky Evangelical Lutherans too, who have stuck their oar into this discussion, below the fold:

It takes stiff-necked Lutheran, nurtured in the long, dark and gloomy winters of Northern Europe where they brood a lot, to cast a cynical fish-eye on the dispensationalism stuff and their literary tendencies into theological myths of oceans of blood and gore. The Reverend Barbara R. Rossing, whom, it appears, has been excised from Wikipedia but, according to her bio at the Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago, Rossing has a BA from Carleton College, a Master of Divinity from Yale University and  a doctorate in theology from the Harvard Divinity School.

Rossing has written a book, The Rapture Exposed: the message of hope in the Book of Revelation, also excised from Wikipedia. In the book Rossing discusses Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series and John Hagee, she quotes Jana Reiss of Publisher Weekly, for a beginning:

"The authors can't be unaware that slaughter, theological or non-theological, sells books ... No previous Christian novelist has detailed so many revolting ways for innocent civilians to bite the dust" [Here I must interject to say that this sounds just like God-damned Iraq and ISIS] Indeed, before the Left Behind series concluded with the twelfth novel in 2004, Tyndale Publishing House had already launched a new military spin-off series, recapitulating the same storyline from the perspectives of American military rangers stationed in the Middle East. .... An ethos of righteous Christian violence permeates all dispensationalist rhetoric today, fiction and nonfiction alike. Hagee's latest Christian novel is called Avenger of Blood ...
John Hagee likes to use the work "blood' a lot in his book titles.

Again, I haven't gotten to Israel yet, inasmuch as I cannot claim to be privy to God's plan for Israel as the Reverend Doctor Thomas Ice is,  but I am so exhausted by the twisted and convoluted logic of the dispensationalists I can't begin to explain the role of Israel.

And, suffice it to say, I am overwhelmingly fond of the basic theology of the Evangelical Lutheran Church as stated in the Apostles' Creed, 15th century, derived  from the Nicene Creed, 325 A.D., back in the days when Christians eschewed violence:

We who were filled with war, mutual slaughter, and every wickedness have each, through the whole earth, changed our warlike weapons—our swords into ploughshares and our spears into implements of tillage. In their place, we cultivate godliness, righteousness, philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the Father himself through the One who was crucified.
Justin Martyr, St. Justin, yes he was martyred....
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  •  Hagee is an ugly little turd. n/t (6+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Aug 09, 2014 at 05:10:46 PM PDT

  •  I come from a long line (7+ / 0-)

    of preachers of the charismatic, evangelical style.  That you could wade thru some of the various sects and their founding... not to mention stomaching Hagee's stuff, well... I salute you.

    After all your research, I don't think it'll come as any surprise to you to find out I became Pagan. ;0

    •  Amen! (3+ / 0-)
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      Paganism is to be recommended!

      •  Neo Paganism is so different from original... (2+ / 0-)
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        The only way to compare Neo Paganism to the 'really old time religion' of Greece and Rome, given how thoroughly that was destroyed by the Late Empire Church between 300 and 400 AD is this:

        Imagine Nazi Germany had succeeded in completely wiping out the Jews, and lasted its 1000 years.  Then another 1000 years later, a few people decided they were going to become Jews, basing their religion on the description of Jews in Mein Kampf.  Thats how far Neo-Pagan religions are from the actual Pagans.

        We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

        by ScrewySquirrel on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 04:34:49 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  the preoccupation with "blood and seed".... (4+ / 0-)

    ... is a hallmark of primitive, atavistic beliefs that have no place in the modern world.

    Understood, the Abrahamic traditions have their roots in times of "blood and seed," where persecutions, enslavements, slaughter, and warfare raged, and where the very existence of numerous tribes and societies was at stake.  Under those conditions, preoccupation with reproduction and survival is understandable.

    Understood, that such conditions still persist in some parts of the world.

    But for those parts of the world where those conditions no longer obtain, we have an obligation to build the foundations of faith, and the foundations of reason, and the foundations of our politics, upon higher grounds.  

    We are not only creatures of instinct; we are creatures of mind and society and the human spirit (the latter can be taken in both a religious and secular sense).  One need only read the words of people of faith such as Martin Luther King, and people of science such as the Apollo astronauts, to know what humans are truly capable of, when we put our minds to serving higher goals.

    Hagee is a throwback to a primitive mindset that has no place in modern America.  He belongs in the same file folder as those who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism.

    We got the future back. Uh-oh.

    by G2geek on Sat Aug 09, 2014 at 10:30:23 PM PDT

    •  Aw, cummon. (2+ / 0-)
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      "Guns 'n babies !!"

      What's not to like? If you only look at it about a quarter-inch deep, a gun gives you power and babies are way cool.

      Primitive. Atavistic. Yep.

      Atavistic: a : recurrence in an organism of a trait or character typical of an ancestral form and usually due to genetic recombination. Has nothing to do with "Avatar," the movie, unless you're playing Scrabble.

      Hagee is a con man. And it's the "blood and seed" promise that ISIS uses for recruitment -- adding Paradise as a martyr to the mix.

      Your "primitive mindset" has a big place in modern America. And elsewhere.

  •  Karen, this stuff is too important to depend on... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... people clicking links and reading stuff that's written at the level of subject-matter experts.  (That said, I have the pre-trib link open on another tab; interesting that LaHaye et. al. are so overt about it.)

    What's needed are clear and succinct definitions that are accessible to lay readers here, and spelling out the connections between the groups, ideas, etc. more clearly.

    I know quite a bit about the religious right, but I would flunk an exam that assumed I could define dispensationalism or list even four of the 16 doctrines of AOG.

    This stuff is vitally important by way of understanding the religious forces in play in our politics.  There are parts of the religious right that are every bit as dangerous in the American context as ISIL is in the Middle Eastern context, and some of them openly espouse violence as method.

    The question is, where is there a strong religious progressive movement, that can counteract the extreme religious right, not only in terms of direct politics (how many voters we can bring to the polls) but also in terms of influence on religion and culture?

    I see your quote from the Evangelical Lutheran Church, and of course we're all aware of the Quakers, and of Pope Francis, and various other progressives in religion.  But how do we go about uniting all of that into a movement that can overcome the influence of the religious right?

    We got the future back. Uh-oh.

    by G2geek on Sat Aug 09, 2014 at 11:03:59 PM PDT

  •  Love your diary. (1+ / 0-)
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    Any chance you could recast the content with a skosh of chronological structure? Which elements appeared when? Which groups are seminal? Which are socially effective, attracting the most members?

    And where?

    One key to these guys is that they borrow individual lines from The Revelation of Saint John the Divine with not a clue what the overall message of The Revelation conveys. The singularly worst example of this is Joseph Smith's White Horse Prophecy. He makes Satan's agent, the Rider on the White Horse, into his hero.

    Narcissists make great salesmen. Analysts and quality control experts and historians, not so much.

    These issues deserve repeated attention.

  •  Diploma in Theology, Masters of Divinity, etc. (0+ / 0-)

    I would lkie to know the percentage of ministers in this country who have shit degrees like these. I knew a "minister" who worked for the federal govt. He advocated nuking the Middle East, one of the meanest MFers I ever met.
    These are Christians who supposedly subscribe to the teachings of Christ, as portrayed in the Bible. I didn't ever read anything he said about killing anybody who didn't agree with you, or who was an inconvenient impediment to Hegemony.
    99% of these ministers have southern accents. All the prominent ones, it seems. A lot of the Bible Belt is notorious for being uninformed and bigoted. So that explains that section of the country.
    But there are Evangelicals in Blue states who think the same way due to their exposure to the hate in their church. They manage to hint negatives at Obama from the pulpit and many speak of him as the anti-christ. That's intelligent. How many white Presidents were referred to as the anti-christ?

    The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

    by Incredulousinusa on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 10:20:28 AM PDT

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