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Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Fox News host Sean Hannity pose next to a light machine gun mounted in a Texas Highway Patrol boat.
Gotta shoot something
Is there any Republican foreign policy idea that does not revolve around returning U.S. troops to Iraq?
Speaking to reporters after a campaign stop for GOP House candidate Mariannette Miller-Meeks, Perry said the U.S. must do “whatever’s required to keep ISIS from continuing to be a clear and present danger” to America and its allies, including sending in American ground troops if needed.
Also, I'm calling bullplop on this:
Perry’s position puts him at odds with much of the Republican Party, which has largely backed the strikes but stopped short of expressing openness to ground force involvement.
If "stopped short" means "clearly implying it while trying not to say it out loud because the wider public wants to get back into Iraq like they want a running belt sander strapped to their faces" then sure, I'll buy that. Rick Perry himself hedged his position as best as his new glasses would let him:
Perry said that having boots on the ground was not a “position any of us want to get into — but we’ve got to stop ISIS.”
Fine, whatever the president does here or in any other country is wrong and you would do it "tougher." Children crossing the Texas border? Send in the troops! More trouble in America's Middle Eastern client states? More troops! The potato salad going bad? Not if our infantry boys have anything to say about that! This always works out and there are never ever any repercussions worth mentioning, so problem solved.

Congratulations, that's a hell of a foreign policy you've got going there. Quick, book this fellow on one of the Sunday shows so we can hear this sharp new take. We'll worry about whether it's workable later. What's important is that we spread this innovative new theory of "what this problem needs is another shootin' war" to the masses.

Originally posted to Hunter on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM PDT.

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  •  send those Open Carry idiots as volunteers (30+ / 0-)
    The Rough Riders is the name bestowed on the 1st United States Volunteer Cavalry, one of three such regiments raised in 1898 for the Spanish-American War and the only one of the three to see action. The United States Army was weakened and left with little manpower after the American Civil War roughly thirty years prior. As a result, President William McKinley called upon 1,250 volunteers to assist in the war efforts

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 11:50:40 AM PDT

  •  And while we're at it, (14+ / 0-)

    didn't he have some sort of 'military' activity in his youth? If so, by gosh, let's re=up his Texas ass and send him in as the first ground scout. If he has no 'experience', all the better. He can go through BOOT camp. I love making myself laugh. That was unintentional until my fingers touched the keys. :) :)

    That's the big question, the one the world throws at you every morning. Here you are, alive. Would you like to make a comment? Mary Oliver

    by weezilgirl on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53:11 AM PDT

  •  Yes, Two: Ground Troops to the Mexican (17+ / 0-)

    border and Planned Parenthood.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 11:55:28 AM PDT

  •  Just as smart whether Rick Perry is behind them (2+ / 0-)
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    A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

    by d3clark on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:05:01 PM PDT

  •  Perry should get Texas to secede immediately... (14+ / 0-)

    ... and then use the Texas National Guard to supply the "boots on the ground" in Iraq.

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:07:15 PM PDT

    •  Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

      And what about the millions of liberals in this state? Is your state going to absorb all of us? I know this comment is tongue in cheek but it's not helpful at all. I would expect it on Raw Story or Huffington Post, (do they even still allow comments?) but I naively thought Daily Kos readers were a bit better than that. And look at the recommends! Pffft! I'm sure none of you have or ever have had teabagging assholes as governor or in your legislatures. This is almost HR'able though I'm going to forego that this time.

      "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

      by MargaretPOA on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:42:41 PM PDT

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      •  You really think there are millions of Liberals... (3+ / 0-)
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        You really think there are millions of Liberals in Texas? If there are they sure don't vote.

        •  Yeah, we do... (1+ / 0-)
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          We are here, we do vote and we have to fight with FundyFascistBaggerBastards every single day we have the misfortune of existing in this Hellhole.  

          The problem is: Gerrymandering/Teabaggers impersonating as Democrats to get elected (then publicly changing parties once in office) and new voting laws that discriminate.

          Even so, we still vote every single time -- at least I and my family do. Can't vouch for every single Dem/Progressive in the state.

          Man, in Its ignorance, knows nothing of this world and in Its arrogance, kills that which is greater than Itself. TCW

          by NewRomeIsBurning on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 10:02:12 AM PDT

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      •  Grow a sense of humor. (2+ / 0-)
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        They can start them in petri dishes these days.

        Perry has made inane comments about secession in the past. This is a joke about him, not about Texans, fer fuck sake,

        "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

        by Bob Johnson on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:02:25 PM PDT

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  •  nothin official, mind you, but rick could round up (7+ / 0-)
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    annieli, capelza, magsview, VPofKarma, TofG, indres, hbk

    some goodolboys and they could load up and get over to eyerack and straighten them unholy people out.
    no need to bother our regular troops. why, I bet they could clean up the whole shebang in a long weekend.
    send him a calender and a map and all will be right with the world afore you know it. whatapatriot whatasavior whataleader whatamitalkinabout?

    for the love of humanity please protect the light in all that may glow and try not to make anyone else's path more cruel than it would be on its own.

    by renzo capetti on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:15:28 PM PDT

  •  He promises to check with Donald Rumsfeld first (9+ / 0-)

    to make sure there's exactly not enough sent.

    We are all made of star stuff, so please be kind to dust bunnies.

    by jwinIL14 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:34:39 PM PDT

  •  The governor does have 234 kills under his belt. (16+ / 0-)

    I think Perry is ready to save America...as long as the enemy is strapped to a gurney first.


    I'd like to check you for ticks, but I insist that you first remove your argyle socks, Madam.

    by glb3 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:45:33 PM PDT

  •  You first, Rick. (8+ / 0-)

    But you don't get to fly a C-130 this time. Boots on the ground, pal!

    Inside of me are two dogs. One is mean and evil. The other is gentle and good. The two dogs fight all the time. Which dog wins? The one I feed the most.

    by bakeneko on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:54:07 PM PDT

  •  Shoot first (9+ / 0-)

    ask questions and think it through later...that was the Bush-Cheney doctrine...

    and was a rousing success, just ask the pundits and the talking heads and politicians on the Sunday talk shows.

    We should do it again!

    Better to look tough and create problems for decades to come than to appear hesitant and avoid an even bigger catastrophe.

    Blue is blue and must be that but yellow is none the worse for it - Carlisle Wheeling

    by kenwards on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:58:49 PM PDT

    •  Shoot first (0+ / 0-)

      Shoot again.
      Shoot some more.
      Then see if there's anyone left alive to answer questions.

      No one has a higher regard for the GOTP than I do, and I consider them a pack of scoundrels and fools at best, traitors at worst.

      by UncleKirk on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:37:12 PM PDT

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  •  Yes, I think that should be (5+ / 0-)

    Rick Perry's campaign theme.....Let's start another war in Iraq.

    Wanting to own a gun is an immediate indicator that you should be the last person to have one.

    by pollbuster on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:59:09 PM PDT

  •  It's a Republican thing. They make medication f... (2+ / 0-)
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    Rashaverak, Maggiemad

    It's a Republican thing. They make medication for that condition, I think.

    •  It hasn't been FDA approved yet (0+ / 0-)

      I know we're all anxious for the day when Republicanism can be cured, but such a wonder drug must have a very thorough vetting process lest we raise false hope.  Or worse, release a drug with unforeseen side effects that could be even worse!

      There is some evidence to suggest that intensive reparative therapy can help reduce the frequency and intensity of Republican "urges", though the evidence is largely anecdotal, and very hard to corroborate given the small sample sizes of most studies.  This is further complicated by tales of "re-education FEMA camps" and other misinformaiton intended to disrupt the ongoing effort.

      In the short term, the only proven remediation is to vote for more and better Democrats.  For the sufferer, this is a painful reality, but steady support of family and friends can make a monumental difference in the outcome.

      Until a cure is found, we will simply have to make do with patchwork protocols, and information and awareness campaigns.  There is no Federal funding for this research, nor is there ever likely to be.  The effort depends on small grassroots donors like you.  So if you can chip in just $3...

      ...What?  You didn't see that coming??

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 11:52:15 AM PDT

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  •  I'm for any war the Rs want if they raise taxes (1+ / 0-)
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    to pay for it.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 01:31:18 PM PDT

    •  Eh... (6+ / 0-)

      If they're going to raise taxes I'd prefer it pay for shit like Social Security and health care and education rather than fighting aimless wars in the Middle East.

      But since they won't raise taxes, it means they want to cut all that stuff so that we can fight aimless wars in the Middle East.

      30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:13:57 PM PDT

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      •  Could they impose a war tax (1+ / 0-)
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        Maggiemad

        to cover the bills from the last (unfunded) war a chickenhawk republican got us into?  Preferably a tax on all those guys who were salivating over the 'low hanging fruit'?
        With the debt from that war covered, it would free up some funds for all the stuff that we've had to cut lately.
        Hey, tea baggers, it's a war tax, that makes it patriotic ya bunch of commies.

        No one has a higher regard for the GOTP than I do, and I consider them a pack of scoundrels and fools at best, traitors at worst.

        by UncleKirk on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:40:55 PM PDT

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    •  I like the idea of a law that says that any dep... (2+ / 0-)
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      Cartoon Peril, Maggiemad

      I like the idea of a law that says that any deployment of troops has to be paid for by an immediate increase in the income tax rate. See how much support wars like Iraq get in the future.

  •  Rick Perry calls for return to torture (1+ / 0-)
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    That is what comes with Republicans back in the presidency. More neocon wars and torture of captured combatants. (It works so well here in the US in our prisons.)

    After all, it's not even torture according to them. It's like smelling roses getting water poured on your face....

  •  Rick Perry (1+ / 0-)
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    Let's wait and see if Rick's sending troops to the Mexican border works out better than when Clinton did it. As I recall the only casualty was an American teenager.  As you know history only repeats itself 99% of the time. So Perry has a 1% chance of being correct about it.

  •  Ricky Boy, (3+ / 0-)
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    Can we count on you being among the first to volunteer?

  •  Does that mean.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Rashaverak, Maggiemad

    Gov. GoodHair is enlisting to go?

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:06:30 PM PDT

  •  If there is an intention to stop ISIS, air strikes (1+ / 0-)
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    will not do it.  The Kruds do not have the military strength, the Sunni's can live under ISIS, and the Shiite "Iraqi" government will not have its Shiite army die for the people now being persecuted and killed by ISIS.  

    Some real military will have to be involved in order to make this thing stop, and I don't see NATO doing it, so if the desired result it to stop and push back ISIS, the US will have to do it. In that, as distasteful as it would seem to all of us, Perry may be stating a fact.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:08:40 PM PDT

    •  But I think at this point (3+ / 0-)
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      VPofKarma, Sue B, Rashaverak

      the important question on everybody's mind is: who the hell cares?

      If you really, truly cared about Iraq being "stable," then you would have left Saddam Hussein in power.  The fact that he's, you know, not in power these days tells me that stability in Iraq is not high on their list of priorities (unless they just want "stability" with somebody we like in power, but those two things normally don't go hand-in-hand; for further reference, see Iran, Shah of.)

      30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:12:33 PM PDT

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      •  We should care (1+ / 0-)
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        indres

        because we are the ones that fucked everything up to begin with.

        Yeah of course we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in 2003.  And if we had Doc Brown's DeLorean maybe we could actually DO something about that, but we can't.

        You can't change the past.  All you can do is live in the present.  So do we sit here and let the Iraquis be slaughtered because we "don't care"?  Or do we say "whoops, we fucked everything up over there, maybe we actually own some responsibility in making sure the country isn't just slaughtered by a bunch of lunatics 5 seconds after we leave?

        •  So are you willing to enlist should that (1+ / 0-)
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          Maggiemad

          happen or will you leave it up to the poor suckers who get drafted?  Because there is no way to get enough troops for such an action without bringing back the draft.  I hope you and everyone else who supports such action will be willing to put their asses where their mouths are.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:43:37 PM PDT

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          •  ? (0+ / 0-)

            I highly question your assertion that action in Iraq would require a draft.  We didn't draft for the last invasion of Iraq.  We didn't draft for Afghanistan.  And we were fighting both of those at the same time.  Are you suggesting that we now send in MORE troops than we had in both Iraq and Afghanistan together?  Because I haven't heard anyone ask for that.  

            •  Exactly, and that is the problem. To have a (2+ / 0-)
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              Susan Stike Conner, Maggiemad

              successful occupation you need far more troops than we had thus a draft.  Sure, we can go in, wipe out most of the ISIS fighters and then leave but we will just be right back where we are now in a few years.

              You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

              by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 10:57:36 PM PDT

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              •  Well (0+ / 0-)

                I won't lie and claim to be a military strategy expect, but it seems like their might be at least SOME options between "Do Nothing" and "Re-Institute the Draft".  

                 I'm pretty confident Obama won't be asking to put the draft in play any time soon.  

                •  Well if you go by one expert, Marine General (1+ / 0-)
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                  Maggiemad

                  Anthony Zinni (now retired, but was head of CENTCOM at the time) we should have had 400,000 troops in place as per the Desert Crossing 1999 wargame scenario which predicted many of the problems in Iraq.  So yes, for the original invasion and occupation we needed half a million troops.

                  I would be willing to bet that to actually fully win against ISIS we would need at least that many now, and where else would we get that many troops aside from the draft?

                  You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

                  by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 09:50:26 AM PDT

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    •  I think the Kurds, Shiites and Iranians can (3+ / 0-)
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      TofG, Rashaverak, hbk

      provide the ground forces necessary to halt an advance, after the US degrades artillery and tanks and convoys.  And I also think ISIS has to expand to survive.

      And if I'm wrong, it still beats us putting boots on the ground in Northern Iraq.

      Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

      by Inland on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:38:08 PM PDT

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    •  I think we will just let Iraq split into 3. ISI... (0+ / 0-)

      I think we will just let Iraq split into 3. ISIS is a problem for the region, not for us.

    •  Boots on the ground in Iraq (0+ / 0-)

      MrJersey, may I assume you will be first in line as a volunteer to put your boots on the ground?  I don't think our volunteer army wants any more fruitless war, and after what has happened since our men and women were first sent to Iraq, I'd say there would be a lot of requests to leave the military.  Best go practice running for your life, just in case you or yours manage to get into the service.

  •  If Rick Perry is volunteering to go (6+ / 0-)

    then I'm all for putting boots on the ground in Iraq.

    As long as Rick's are the only boots on the ground.  Though if he could take Sean Hannity as part of the bargain that wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

    30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:10:13 PM PDT

  •  anyone else glad (6+ / 0-)

    Obama is president at this time?  the neo-cons would have us return our young to be beheaded.

    When Obama was asked if he wished we still had troops there, he said, if we had they'd be in danger.  And if we'd stayed they'd have been picked off, one by one.  

    Perry is a fool, Iraqis know Obama won't help unless they work together, and they're now trying. Without being optimistic, he has given them a choice and they know he means it, he's prepared to watch them burn rather than give them help that will only put off the end.  

    And the Israelis are also going to end the siege, and i don't think that's because they want to.  I think our guy made it clear, we are committed to helping Israel but that won't prevent us from recognizing Palestine if Israel continues its current long-standing occupation policy.  

    I do want Hillary to be our next president, but I hope she's learning from Obama, that arming the moderates in Syria would only have added to ISIS arms and gotten more of them killed.  A bottom up revolution only empowers the ruthless, we can see that nearly everywhere, Libya, Egypt, and surely Syria, which has left us choosing between IS and Assad.   But our guy got rid of their chemical weapons so they won't fall to IS.  

    Anyone else glad we have Obama as our president?

    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

    by anna shane on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:11:26 PM PDT

  •  Um hum-let him be the first of the neo-con... (5+ / 0-)

    ...warmongers to sign up for Iraq, Part 3, and take John McCain and Lindsay Graham with him.  

    No doubt they could single-handedly neutralize IS; quickly set up a strong, stable democratic utopian government in Iraq; oil profits would flow freely; and of course, grateful Iraqis would line the streets and shower the three stooges trio with flower tributes.

    Or--Perry, McCain, and Graham could STFU and try to get it through their incredibly awesomely ignorant heads that we've been there, done that--twice--and it hasn't ended well.

  •  Republicans are sure we must invade someplace (3+ / 0-)
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    so why not one where we already have all the maps and stuff.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:22:53 PM PDT

  •  Worrying (3+ / 0-)

    I find developments pretty worrying...

    1.  US troops in active combat in Iraq (yet again)?  Check.

    2.  USA supplying massive amounts of modern arms to two different sides in a three (four?) sided civil war (to the Kurds and the Shia-led govn't)?   Check.  

    3.  The "help" and top grade weapons to one side being official, public (Shia govn't) and the supplies to the second side (Iraqi Kurds) a secret CIA black op that the US administration won't publicly acknowledge ?  Check.

    4.  US government (CIA) paying private-sector mercenary firms (think Blackwater) to provide "boots on the ground" to deliver the weapons to the Kurds and train them on how to use this high tech / high grade stuff?   Check.

    5.  USA publicly picking winners and/or losers in a political power struggle by the competing PM claimants who are disputing the constitutional validity of the latest PM appointment)?   Check.  (we picked the new guy over Maliki)

    6.  US Commander in Chief approves the use American military to assassinate without trial any US citizens who choose to fight on the side of the 3-sided Iraqi civil war on the side which we don't like?  Check.

    Do all of the above apply to all of (a) Vietnam, (b) W's Iraq War, and (c) the present day?  Check. (except maybe  Nixon and Johnson didn't allow the military to officially assassinate US citizens without trial, so I guess Tricky-Dick has one up on GWB and Barack).

    Doesn't this bother any of you?  Anybody?  Anyone???

  •  The Perry Brigade and the Hannity Brigade (4+ / 0-)
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    Colonel of Volunteers Rick Perry. My my my.

    I can hardly wait for these fools to go to battle against Islamic Extremists. I give them about 3 hours life expectancy.

    Gutless wonders. Absolute fracking waste of human cells.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:23:57 PM PDT

    •  Under the consitution of the Independent (2+ / 0-)
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      Rashaverak, Maggiemad

      Republic of Texas, doesn't he already have authority to send the Texas National Guard, Local Sheriffs and Texas Rangers overseas?

      As long as Texans will pay for it?

      And I am Kilrain of the 20th Maine. And I damn all gentlemen. Whose only worth is their father's name And the sweat of a workin' man Steve Earle - Dixieland

      by shigeru on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:33:36 PM PDT

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  •  Double Down On Teh Stupid, Rick nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:24:29 PM PDT

  •  Red Rover, Red Rover, send Rick Perry right over. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Ask Rick Perry to point out Iraq on a map. Live TV (3+ / 0-)

    would be best.  

    Or even meaner, ask Perry how he feels Iraq's neighbors-- say China and Korea--would respond to a US invasion. But Gotcha is too easy.

    In Georgia, acting the fool with a gun is not only legal, it is encouraged by the governor and the state legislature.

    by Mayfly on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:28:31 PM PDT

  •  And bring all the refugees created to Texas. (2+ / 0-)
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    Villabolo, Maggiemad

    Where they will surely be welcomed with open arms.

    And I am Kilrain of the 20th Maine. And I damn all gentlemen. Whose only worth is their father's name And the sweat of a workin' man Steve Earle - Dixieland

    by shigeru on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:30:43 PM PDT

  •  We need to be careful (0+ / 0-)

    Just because an idiot is saying something doesn't automatically make the statement idiotic.  Even broken clocks are right twice a day (well, at least analog ones)

    WE fucked up Iraq.   It doesn't matter if you didn't support the war in Iraq.  I certainly didn't.  But WE FUCKED IT UP.  And now because we fucked it up, the country is being overrun by murderous lunatics.  

    So, as a country, do we own our mistakes?  Or do we say, "Oh well, too bad, good luck guys!"  Because make no mistake, this IS our problem to own.  We have the choice of turning our back on the problem, but the blood that is shed will still be on our hands, whether we turn a blind eye to it or not.  You might feel better because it won't be the blood of our citizens, but I personally think it makes for a pretty shitty way to run a country when we just blow a country pretty much to hell and then leave them to be slaughtered by lunatics.  

    Yeah, I know they didn't really want us there anymore, and you could argue that they will now "get what they deserve" or whatever.   I personally think that's a pretty callow and unfeeling position to take given the state we left them in.

    •  Sadly, history shows when we fuck up a country & (3+ / 0-)
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      Sue B, Rashaverak, Maggiemad

      then try to rectify our mistake, we usually just fuck up again.

      I so hate the arrogant American habit of meddling anywhere in the world and assuming that our meddling is for the best.

      I'm sure many in the world would prefer we be isolationists rather than the busybodies we are.

      In Georgia, acting the fool with a gun is not only legal, it is encouraged by the governor and the state legislature.

      by Mayfly on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:40:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Unfortunately (1+ / 0-)
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        you are mostly correct.  That being said, I don't know if our inability to ever get things right is a good reason to just let the Iraqi people be slaughtered.   There is not a good answer here, just two bad answers.  

  •  In fairness, there are 3 reasons Perry's plan will (2+ / 0-)
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    Rashaverak, Maggiemad

    resonate with Republicans:
    Obama doesn't want ground troops there, neocons do want ground troops added, and, ah...ah...

  •  Calls for a "possible return"? That's leadership. (2+ / 0-)
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    To bravely call out for either return...or not....

    Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

    by Inland on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:35:42 PM PDT

  •  Potato salad going bad? (2+ / 0-)
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    Troop surge!!  *snort*

  •  Tricky Ricky gets to take point (2+ / 0-)
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    Hannity will have his flank

    And the first battalion will all be Texans

    Let's see how that resonates with your voters, Gov. Perry

  •  Would his first stop be over by the Syrian border? (3+ / 0-)
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    You know, since ISIS is beheading people in northern Syria now?

    Oh, that's right, re: Syria 'we' support the militants, so I guess then we'd go help near the border with Iran, who is trying to push back ISIS over there?

    Not there either? Oh, I know, over on the Saudi Arabian border! They're our friends, right?

    Ooops, I do believe SA is Sunni and there are reports that they are helping to fund ISIS..

    Where exactly would American troops go?? It's all so confusing!

  •  Politicians from Texas (3+ / 0-)
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    ...sure do love war. And they also seem incapable for learning lessons (or, perhaps, learning at all).

  •  Some talk of British troops on the ground (1+ / 0-)
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    it is said, to help you out - or something....

    No.

    If lots Iraqis ask for our help, then maybe - we helped you break the place, after all - but in principle, no troops to be sent anywhere.  None.

    Unless they are Tony Blair's children?

  •  The potato salad going bad? (2+ / 0-)
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    Rashaverak, Maggiemad

    Let Sean Hannity eat it...that will keep that shit eatin grin on his face

    "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein

    by lynn47 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 03:51:54 PM PDT

  •  I think Sean Hannity should take command. After... (2+ / 0-)
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    Rashaverak, Maggiemad

    I think Sean Hannity should take command. After all, he's obviously a man's man, he throws a football.

  •  Wowie! (0+ / 0-)

    I say "Wowie" because I'm just so bummed out about this diary and how some of it was presented.

     “whatever’s required to keep ISIS from continuing to be a clear and present danger” to America and its allies, including sending in American ground troops if needed.

    Now...what's important is what is in the quotes....NOT what is after the quotes because that's what the diarist put in there.  If you aren't careful, you'll be deceived here.

    Then,

    Perry said that having boots on the ground was not a “position any of us want to get into — but we’ve got to stop ISIS.”

    Again...I know that Perry said what is in quotes...but what is between the lines where the - is?  What was said in there?

    I'm no "troll" and I'm most certainly not a republican...but we can do better than this on our blog sites.  

  •  President Wanabee (0+ / 0-)

    This guy is a bigger dick than W.

    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny! Thomas Jefferson

    by wbishop3 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 04:18:43 PM PDT

  •  Is there any Republican (3+ / 0-)
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    foreign policy idea that does not revolve around returning US troops to Iraq?

    Of course.

    There is also the libertarian wing of the GOP, (Ted Cruz and Rand Paul) who insist it is illegal for Obama to do anything anywhere, including Iraq, because Barack Obama!

    The libertarians and the warmongers in the GOP disagree about every foreign policy issue. But they do have some common ground, because they all agree that whatever happened or will happen, it's all Obama's fault.  

    You will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger.

    by mstep on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 04:43:00 PM PDT

  •  The question I'm asking is will HIllary (0+ / 0-)

    follow his lead by calling for a return to Iraq? It sure as hell wouldn't surprise me if she did.

    My invisible imaginary friend is the "true" creator

    by Mr Robert on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 04:49:22 PM PDT

  •  Yep, those ISIS guys (0+ / 0-)

    can use their navy to attack the US.

    OR perhaps their nuclear missle system.

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:02:06 PM PDT

  •  Ricky Poo... PAY FOR IT... (2+ / 0-)
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    show us how you'll pay for it.

    And what you will say to the families of the dead on all sides...

    Gran Patoot of Texas.

    Ugh. --UB.

    The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

    by unclebucky on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:07:44 PM PDT

  •  Rick Perry calls for dressing up and patrolling (0+ / 0-)

    the border.  Rick Perry calls for pretending to govern Texas--while living in a tax-payer paid luxury condo and avoiding the governor's mansion. Rick Perry calls for three things but he can't remember the third thing.  Viva, Rick Perry.

    In Georgia, acting the fool with a gun is not only legal, it is encouraged by the governor and the state legislature.

    by Mayfly on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:07:54 PM PDT

  •  Any gun guys here want to comment on (1+ / 0-)
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    Maggiemad

    the way those two are hanging all over what appears to be a loaded machinegun?
    Are they doing that right?

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:15:54 PM PDT

  •  Typical Republican response, in effect saying, (1+ / 0-)
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    "Let me watch you and him fight."  It's no skin off Perry's face.

  •  What is it with these guys and their wars? (1+ / 0-)
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    Maggiemad

    And their willingness to risk our troops for the sake of said wars?  This can't be normal.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:39:14 PM PDT

  •  Let me say it clearly. . . (1+ / 0-)
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    Maggiemad

    Until or unless a republican politician can show me a child or grandchild in uniform and on the LINE, not flying in a pretend squadron, they have absolutely no moral position to talk about sending troops into battle.
    At 30, Griffen Perry is a little long in the tooth for infantry, but if daddy thinks this is such a moral imperative, he can take a turn dodging bullets for Uncle Sam.
    Mitt Romney (the once and future candidate) spent his Viet Nam years as a missionary, living in his family mansion in Paris France.
    With real Americans fighting and dying during his last campaign he had the gall to say his sons were proving their patriotism by campaigning for him.
    You think Iraq is worth fighting for, Rick?
    Show me a gold star in your window, and then we'll talk.

    No one has a higher regard for the GOTP than I do, and I consider them a pack of scoundrels and fools at best, traitors at worst.

    by UncleKirk on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 06:01:56 PM PDT

  •  sean hannity (1+ / 0-)
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    wow, Hannity looks tough in that picture with his aviator glasses and arm resting casually on the machine gun.  if the U.S could only get guys like him in the military we would run out of enemies in no time.  I wonder why he isn't in the service considering that all his listeners call him "a great American".  that's a puzzle to me.  I know why ted nugent isn't in, he's a draft-dodging douchebag, but why isn't sean in?  one of life's great mysteries I guess.

  •  Oh great. (2+ / 0-)
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    msdobie, Maggiemad

    Another dumb shit politician from Texas with a hard-on for a war in Iraq, running for President.  I've seen this picture before, it doesn't end well.

    For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still. --John Maynard Keynes

    by Kurt from CMH on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 07:23:30 PM PDT

  •  For small minds there is always only 1 'solution'. (1+ / 0-)
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    Gov. Goodhair has a very small mind.

    And very little soul, if any.

  •  All we need (1+ / 0-)
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    Maggiemad

    Are a few more $1 trillion Iraq wars to try to fix the problems caused by the first one.

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 09:09:38 PM PDT

  •  Rick would love another photo op (0+ / 0-)

    leaning manfully on a really big gun.
    Ready to let loose on any little kids crossing the border, or ISIS fighters, or demonstrators, or other undesirables.

    •  Rick and that very big gun (0+ / 0-)

      I wonder what's in that lake behind them that needs that thing aimed at it.  I also wonder if either of them would know how to load, aim and fire the gun and hit even the far shore of the lake.
      I doubt it that's the Rio Grande, because there's not that much water in it these days, so they can't be considering firing it at those horrible invading children.....or can they?

  •  "like they want a running belt sander strapped to (0+ / 0-)

    their faces"

    Don't knock it until you've tried it!

    --I ain't gonna TROY it! Let Mikey troy it! He hates everything!

    [RRRRRRRRR] [AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!]

    --He liked it! Hey, Mikey!

  •  Needs bullet proof vest to protect against hugs (0+ / 0-)

    of small unarmed Central American children fleeing murder, violence, and rape.  The machine gun is just for ha ha's.  

    Rick Perry in that photo op is the perfect reason why Rick Perry should never again be in charge of anything.  

    In his short Air Force service career he flew drought and earthquake relief drops.  He has never faced any "enemy" that had any ability or will to shoot back.  No wonder he thinks war is a game.

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 05:13:40 AM PDT

  •  Why doesn't he send the Texas navy. (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes, the ignorant twit has his own navy.  Six gunboats, each armed with six machine guns.

    They could race up and down the Euphrates screaming "impeachment," "Benghazi," etc. and just scare the living daylights out of ISIS.  Not to mention the random goat.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 05:33:40 AM PDT

  •  PERRY!!!!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

         YOU GO.....BIG MAN!!  We'll be right behind you........ YOU GIGANTIC PRICK!!!

  •  Rick Perry (0+ / 0-)

    Hasn't his face-and head-cracked into a million pieces yet?  He's starting to reach that turning pint into oblivion.

  •  Rick Perry on returning US ground troops to Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    I hope he is willing to be in the front lines in the battle against those OTHER people who are determined to force their religion on everyone. But I think he'd rather just talk about it and watch from the safety of the sidelines.

  •  Bring back the draft? (0+ / 0-)

    Although there are definite advantages to an all-volunteer military, one thing that is lost is the national cohesion that results from the knowledge that your child or another close relative may have people actively seeking to kill him or her if we choose to enter a combat situation.

    I'm not saying that this is a complete answer; the draft did not keep us out of Vietnam, certainly among the Top 5 of our most egregious military mis-adventures. Still, would we have gone so blithely into Iraq and Afghanistan if a few of our prominent government officials and elected representatives faced the prospect of welcoming their child home in a coffin or with a lifetime disability?

    And, would the talking heads in the media speak so casually about war deaths and injuries if their child was included in those numbers?

    Just wondering...

  •  WHO IN THE HELL CARES??? (0+ / 0-)

        Does this moron think anyone cares what he thinks??  He's "trying" to put on his best "John Wayne" impression because he honestly thinks he is "Presidential Material"!  

    COLD DAY IN HELL........PERRY!!!!!!

  •  PERRY = W BUSH (0+ / 0-)

        Both have the same IQ!    

         THEY'RE BOTH MORONS!!!

  •  PERRY (0+ / 0-)

        Who's the brilliant journalist who even asked him a question about it???  If he isn't already at FIXED 'news'...... SHIP HIM THERE!!!

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