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Police officers keep watch while demonstrators (not pictured) protest the death of black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri August 12, 2014. Police said Brown, 18, was shot in a struggle with a gun in a police car but have not said why Brown was
Police officers keep watch while demonstrators (not pictured) protest the death of black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson Tuesday.
In Ferguson, Missouri, there was a third day of protests over the police slaying of black teenager Michael Brown Tuesday.

More than a hundred protesters gathered at the same location where riot police looking more like soldiers than cops had fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd Monday night. The crowd chanted, “Hands up, don’t shoot,” which has been a rallying cry since Saturday when some witnesses said the unarmed Brown put up his hands before being gunned down by an as-yet unnamed officer of the 50-member Ferguson police force, which has just three black officers in a town that is 69 percent black.

Large gatherings took place at two churches. A racially mixed crowd of some 400 heard Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson and Ferguson Mayor James Knowles III, among others, speak at Christ the King United Church of Christ. Nixon told the crowd: “Justice must not simply be pursued, but in fact achieved. Instead of burning bridges in anger, we must rebuild them with love.” Jackson said: “I want what you want. I want the truth and I want justice and I want it as soon as possible.”

At the greater St. Mark Missionary Baptist Church, a standing-room-only crowd chanted and cheered as they waited for the Rev. Al Sharpton to speak:

When he took the pulpit, he led them in a thunderous chant, “No justice, no peace.” He noted that Ferguson has only a few black police officers and that most of the arrests are of black people.

“You’ve got issues in this city,” Sharpton said. People jumped to their feet when he spoke of seeking the truth and said, “As soon as you turn on the lights, the roaches start running.”

Outside the church on Chambers, several hundred people marched back and forth, their leaders urging everyone to be peaceful. A man yelled into a bullhorn, “The whole world is watching... We are going to do this the right way. No violence, just justice.”

Owners of several gun stores in the region reported higher sales for firearms than usual.

Meanwhile, St. Louis NAACP President Adolphus Pruitt said another witness has come forward. Pruitt said the unnamed person “did not see Michael Brown struggling with the police officer inside his car at any point. They did witness the incident from the time it started from the time of the initial stop by the police car.” Pruitt has set up an interview with the witness with the FBI, which is investigating the shooting together with local police.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:24 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Good report. (33+ / 0-)

    Rev. Sharpton has helped channel anger into action and away from self-defeating violence.  The local news here that I have seen is doing a good job separating the violence from the murder of Michael Brown.  the reporting has been fair.  I saw the two witnesses interviewed last night.  One is known, been on msnbc.  The other had his voice changed.  

    FBI is interviewing the witnesses to the murder of Michael Brown.  

    Rev. Sharpton is calling for a day of prayer and fasting today.

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    by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:29:15 AM PDT

    •  Also there were two shootings last night. (17+ / 0-)

      One by a police officer, one a possible drive by shooting.  They may be involved, but it is still unclear.  The evidence to date suggests that the shootings are very unlike the murder of Michael Brown.  It is important to keep one's eyes on the injustice here.  

      Rev. Sharpton is making a big difference and it is for the good.  He will raise hell, but it will be done non-violently and will help get support for justice.  

      Here's the report on the shootings:  

      St. Louis Post Dispatch

      At about 1 a.m. Wednesday, a St. Louis County Police officer shot and critically wounded a man who police said pointed a handgun at the officer near the intersection of West Florissant and Chambers Road.
      The shooting happened near Chambers and Sheffingdell Court, not far from the site of protests against police over Saturday's fatal shooting of Michael Brown. The location is in unincorporated St. Louis County, less than a mile from the QuikTrip in Ferguson that was looted and burned Sunday night.

      Police said they received a call reporting about four to five men in the area armed with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They also got reports of shots fired in the area. Police officers arrived and saw "multiple subjects running," said police spokesman Officer Brian Schellman.

      An officer approached one of the men, who pulled a handgun on the officer, Schellman said. The officer then fired, Schellman said.

      Police said they recovered the handgun at the scene. The man was taken to a hospital.

      snip

      Police had not released any additional information on the shooting by 10 a.m. Wednesday, including the man's name, age and condition.

      UPDATED at 1:15 a.m.

      About 12:20 a.m. Wednesday, a woman was shot in the head in the 1300 block of Highmont Drive, west of West Florissant Avenue near the QuikTrip gas station, St. Louis County Police said. It appeared to be a drive-by shooting and police said they were looking for four or five men. The woman was shot once and is expected to survive. It was unknown if the shooting was related to the protests in the area.

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      by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:33:48 AM PDT

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      •  From Antonio French on twitter. (9+ / 0-)
        Antonio French @AntonioFrench  ·  23m
        People also need to understand that the young men wearing "masks" on their faces started doing that after police started using tear gas.
        There needs to be and will be an investigation of the police shooting last night.  So far, no evidence that it was wrongful, but we need to know.

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        by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:53:36 AM PDT

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        •  Except that Antonio French is incorrect... (4+ / 0-)
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          There have been several robberies in the area since Sunday night (before the use of tear gas), where the perpetrators used ski masks. Antonio French will do anything to get himself in front of a TV camera and frankly is a huge obstacle in the progressive movement in this city, but thats an aside. My point is I wouldn't take the word of Alderman French at face value.

          •  Hard to know. (3+ / 0-)
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            I don't have a negative opinion of him as you do, but it is possible that he is wrong.  

            There is just not enough info and evidence yet.  

            In any event, the key fact is whether a gun was aimed at the officer.

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            by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:19:16 AM PDT

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      •  I wold hope their 'reporting' is honest (6+ / 0-)
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        From recent events and now knowing that they have recorded, for 14 years, the incidence of arrests related to race, I wonder if one can trust any "reporting" that originates with a police report.

        It is said that they had a hard time training and retaining black police officers.  Duh!  Can you even imagine what the three who are on that force endure to keep their jobs?

        "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

        by cowdab on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:57:22 AM PDT

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        •  We will see. (4+ / 0-)

          Skepticism is justified, but facts matter.  So far, no evidence that it was wrongful.  But an investigation is needed to know.  Contrast with Michael Brown.   People know it was wrongful.  

          The paper just reports what it is told.  

          It is possible that police over reacted to the ski masks (see my comment above, wearing because of tear gas).  But it also is possible that someone pulled a gun on the police officer, as is reported.    

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          by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:00:01 AM PDT

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          •  No police force should be allowed to get a drop of (10+ / 0-)

            federal funding unless their officers and their vehicles are bother camera equipped with devices the officer cannot disable himself.  At this point, that is the only thing that can restore at least my confidence in police.

          •  You have more faith in journalists (0+ / 0-)

            than I do.  If you ever knew first hand about an event such as an accident etc, and then read the newspaper account, you know what I mean.  I've never seen anything reported without mistakes and/or misstatements when I knew first hand what happened. Then again, you could argue witness credibility too.

            "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

            by cowdab on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 11:24:27 AM PDT

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      •  Open carry. Five guys, ski masks, etc. (5+ / 0-)
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        If not pointing the guns at cops or anyone else, what's the difference?

        Different rules for different folks?

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        by cany on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:26:57 AM PDT

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      •  Thanx TomP nt (0+ / 0-)

        Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

        by Patango on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:47:58 PM PDT

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    •  Really Al Sharpton for the good? (1+ / 0-)
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      I use to think that myself, but lets face the reality Sharpton is all about himself. People my be under the delusion that he is continuing on the path of Martin Luther King, Jr., but thats a farce. Sharpton hasn't calmed anything down since he was here. As evidence by the two shooting last night.  

      •  We disagree on that. (7+ / 0-)

        I think he is and has been a force for good.  

        Hard to blame Rev. Sharpton for a police shooting that may be justified or a possible drive-by shooting.

        We'll just have to disagree.  Today is a day of fasting and prayer.  It's needed.  

        Rev. Sharpton is focusing the rage on change and justice.  That is good on two levels.  One, the violence is self-defeating and harms the fight for justice.  Two, violence harms the community.  

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        by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:29:32 AM PDT

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        •  He also brings even more media scrutiny which (4+ / 0-)
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          is making the police look even worse than they already do.

          I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

          by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:06:46 AM PDT

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          •  Police bashing is the problem... (0+ / 0-)

            Nobody knows really what happened here and I think my point is this situation isn't nearly as cut and dry as say the incident with the police in New York and the choke hold. Now does that mean that I think this cop was justified in the shooting, no I don't, but I also don't for a second believe that this was just some innocent kid as the community is trying to paint him to be. Ultimately, yeah this is a problem with abusive cops, but we don't know yet if this is the case here and it frankly doesn't represent the hundreds of thousands of cops across the country that don't do this.

            Police abuse may be a problem, but it isn't the problem. They are trying to make a safer country for all of us to live in. It's not their fault that the poverty and lack of education are the number one predictors of crime or that the criminal justice system is heavily favored to those with wealth. It just happens to be the new Jim Crow paradigm, but rather than tackle the issues of poverty and education that breed crime in inner city minority neighborhoods mostly black and latino in this country, we instead focus on what I think is the ultimately red herring. Which is why more Trayvon Martins, Eric Garnders, and Michael Browns will happen.  

            •  FUCK the police; the police work for the (2+ / 0-)
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              evil 1%, only.

              Yeah, there is a system problem and the fucking white supremacist trigger happy kill a n***er police are part of the problem not part of the solution.

              You may want to go to FREEPVILLe they love the police when they kill black people.

              I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

              by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:53:58 AM PDT

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            •  Nobody is going to know if police have their way! (0+ / 0-)

              The cover-up is as bad as the crime.

              •  What cover up? (0+ / 0-)

                Do I need to stock up on tin hats or something? The conspiracy theories really need to stop already. This just feels like a bad episode of Nancy Grace where everybody is already presumed guilty in the court of public opinion. Right now there is no cover up in the investigation. If one happens I'll be right there with ya, but no cover up yet. There may be cause for concern because of police histories in the past, but that also doesn't mean that will be the case now.

                Now if you're going to bring up that the police originally said it was related to a candy store robbery, but then retracted that... its not evidence of a cover-up. It was an initial report and as investigators learned more it was clear the two were unrelated.

                But hey its just easier to say "FUCK the police" because that in no way shape or form is like adding fuel to the fire.

                •  "There may be cause for concern because of police (2+ / 0-)
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                  histories in the past, but that also doesn't mean that will be the case now."

                  That's been the storyline since before 1942 when I first heard it. How many more centuries are you going to tell yourself that?

                  •  Hyperbolic much? (0+ / 0-)

                    How many more centuries am I going to tell myself that? Well considering the average human life span is less than a century, I think I'll only be telling myself that for less than one.

                    Anyway hyperbole aside its not 1942 and comparing what is going on in Ferguson to 1942 is ridiculous. For one Ferguson turned the investigation over to St. Louis County police, which in turn requested the FBI to assist. Additionally, the FBI is opening a civil rights investigation so its actually what is known as a parallel investigation, meaning while they will assist each other they are truly two independent investigation going on at the same time. I might add the FBI has a pretty good track record when it comes to civil rights investigation at least dating to the 1960s.

                    More to the point if you don't trust St. Louis County Police and the County Government or the FBI to conduct a fair investigation... then what is it that you expect? The investigation has barely even started and people are saying its cover up, with absolutely no proof. So if you believe there is a cover up go for it, but the burden of proof is on you and pointing to 1942 isn't proof.

                    •  My comment wasn't about a possible coverup. (0+ / 0-)

                      It was about your comment - what makes you feel that this time may be different than the many past times? That's what I've heard for many years, and I wonder where the optimism comes from.

                      •  My comment was about a cover up. (0+ / 0-)

                        I was addressing the fact that so many people are complaining about a cover up when one doesn't exist at least no yet.

                        If your comment wasn't about a cover up, then I'm not sure what your point it. In any case I'm being optimistic because the alternative is to be pessimistic. I may be cynical, but I at least prefer to look at things optimistically.

                        In any case I'm optimistic because the investigation is being handled by two outside sources. I definitely give credit to Ferguson for not trying to handle the investigation themselves. So at this point the signs point in the right direction.

                •  Promising to release name od cop/shooter then (1+ / 0-)
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                  refusing the information is a fact. if this isn't a cover up, what would you call it.

                  Not allowing the people of Ferguson to pray after dark is a breach of First Amendment Rights.  Wake up and look at the actual evidence instead of blindly supporting the Military invasion of an American city.

                  •  Yup the Ferguson flip-flopped... (1+ / 0-)
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                    Of course it's convenient to leave out why they choose not to release the officers name. It's because death threats have been levied at the officer and city officials. What good would come of this officer's name being released now. Everybody seems to think this guy is some terrible monster and hes already been convicted guilty in the court of public opinion. Might it be reasonable to let the investigation conclude and for the public to calm down a bit before releasing his name to the public?

                    You may not agree with that decision, but its a far cry from a cover up.

                    Also, the second part of your statement has nothing to do with a cover up. For one you are incorrect Ferguson is not mandating a curfew. Instead it was a request. There is a difference in the two, so before you start crying out First Amendment violations you ought to know the facts. Second, there are limits to the first amendment when there is a risk to the public and private property. In case you have been asleep, as you accuse me of being, maybe you haven't heard that people have shot at the police and helicopter, burned down a business and looted many others. Additionally one woman has been shot in a drive by nearby and a police officer shot another teenager who allegedly pulled a gun on the officer. Once again is not reasonable to want to prevent violence? My thoughts are with the people of Ferguson and the surrounding community but there are people that are trying to hijack peaceful protests and make them violent. This wouldn't be happening if the previous days protests had been peaceful.

                    Now as for the militarization of our police force you have a point, but that really is a subject for another day and regardless of the pictures floating in the media. The "militarized" officers are really only a small part of the force that is now patrolling Ferguson and it only escalated to that after several nights of violence in the street. Does that make it justified? I don't think so, because it just adds fuel to the fire, but don't paint it like it's the normal police state and like it was the first response the police have made. It wasn't.

      •  Projecting much? (7+ / 0-)
        I use to think that myself, but lets face the reality Sharpton is all about himself. People my be under the delusion that he is continuing on the path of Martin Luther King, Jr., but thats a farce. Sharpton hasn't calmed anything down since he was here. As evidence by the two shooting last night.
        If you're suggesting the shootings relate to anything Sharpton has done then give us the evidence, otherwise, you are just disrupting.
        •  I think he's suggesting (0+ / 0-)

          Sharpton has been inneffective, not that he's inciting violence.

        •  I'm not suggesting that... (0+ / 0-)

          My point is that everyone thinks Sharpton coming in is a great thing for this situation. It's not. Personally, I think he is just another attention seeker, much like Alderman French. But more to the point, him coming here won't change the charged situation we have. Nearly every leader has asked for calm in this situation and the situation is still tenuous as best and outright dangerous at worst. Additionally, he takes focus off of what is important here which is the death of Michael Brown and the investigation of what happened Saturday afternoon.

          I'm not sure I'll understand why the left is so enamored with Al Sharpton. He's been a pretty divisive figure historically, unlike those he is constantly being compared with. I think a libertarian friend of mine summed him up quite well recently. "Martin Luther King, Jr. was the leader we needed on race issues. So we killed him and got the person we deserved as a society: Al Sharpton."

          •  Spoken like someone who's never listened (2+ / 0-)
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            to the man talk without a set of right-wing-bigot pointers at hand to tell you where to be offended.

            You have no clue about those conveniently-dead-and-therefore-not-bothering-anybody historical figures, either.

            •  You're kidding right? (0+ / 0-)

              You're response is that I am just a right-wing hack? I guess that a politically expedient way to disregard those that disagree with you on a given issue. I mean it works for the right when you disagree with them they just call you a looney liberal so I suppose it should be expected of the left as well. Its really a shame. I was hoping for a reasoned response as to why I was wrong and instead I get an ad hominem attack.

              Except that's the truth. Al Sharpton is a divisive figure and has been for years especially on issues of race and sexuality. If one of the leading figures of the civil rights movement today shared their hatred of any race and homosexuals people would be appalled, but Sharpton has done that in the past. Sure he may be a different man, a better man today. Martin Luther King, Jr. did believe in civil disobedience but he never once believed in putting people down to accomplish his own goals. Plus, his mission was larger than himself, Sharpton instead always makes things about him. Ultimately, my singular point is people think him coming to St. Louis is helpful as it will have a calming effect. It won't and it hasn't. Now if MLK, Jr were alive today I do think that would have an impact, but then again I don't think our society would be the same racial divided society it is today if he were alive.

      •  not my reality... (0+ / 0-)

        I don't think he's continuing on any path....he's forging his own. Perhaps you could understand how he might be comforting the dead boys parents/family/friends/..Or does that have no value?

    •  Reverend Al once again demonstrates (3+ / 0-)
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      Awesomeness.

      He is really one of my favorite activists and he just gets better.

  •  I wish I could be there (16+ / 0-)

    A nationwide demonstration to show support for minority justice is overdue.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:32:48 AM PDT

  •  Justice, what an odd concept in America when (12+ / 0-)

    the law is about "order", oppressing "them people".

    This is why America is a third world country for black & brown people.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:39:01 AM PDT

  •  And if a Federal Investigation is held (0+ / 0-)

    And if it is determined that the police actions were justified, then what?  Would that constitute justice?

    "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

    by blackhand on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:02:39 AM PDT

    •  Given that's what seems to happen with almost (1+ / 0-)
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      all cases of violence against unarmed people, I honestly don't know if I would believe anything the "system" has to say. Trust is earned and they have failed miserably.

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      by cany on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:29:16 AM PDT

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      •  Trust is earned. Indeed you are correct (0+ / 0-)

        Earning trust is also a proverbial two way street.  What is the way forward?

        "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

        by blackhand on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:20:35 AM PDT

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        •  In this case, for them to earn trust. There isn't (0+ / 0-)

          any other way forward that I can see. And part of that is to stop the constant excusing of violence against people, particularly people of color. If those in power cannot root out racism within the ranks, they need to get someone that CAN. It's incredibly widespread across the nation.

          It's kind of like how it works with an addict; they cannot get out of the cycle until they either chose to or HAVE to. It seems to me that the policing agencies (and it's not just local cops) need to remove themselves from the culture of violence and militarism they have adopted.

          I'm 61. I haven't trusted copy in a very, very long time based not only on my own experiences, but on the experiences of others.

          They broke it. They own it.

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          by cany on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:51:53 AM PDT

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  •  Protests, calls for justice, calm? (3+ / 0-)
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    Sounds like a recipe for tear gas, batons and violent repression.

    I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    by Words In Action on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:02:45 AM PDT

  •  I find those police 'uniform' choices interesting (11+ / 0-)

    Basically there are two types; fully militarized police state, or Bundy Militia t-shirt with old jeans and sneakers, carrying assault rifles. Nobody feels the need to dress as professional officers of the law anymore.

    "What's it all about? You know what I mean." - Alfie

    by Fordmandalay on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:04:59 AM PDT

    •  They look like the thugs that they are (6+ / 0-)

      in that photo, don't they?

      I'm sensing two emotions in that photo.  Pride, and fear.  They are right to be afraid, but that pride prevents them from understanding why.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:08:56 AM PDT

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      •  My thoughts exactly. Especially the tall one in (2+ / 0-)
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        the middle.  If it wasn't for the word "Police" on their body armor, the picture could be of any all-white gang.

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        by NoMoJoe on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:26:48 AM PDT

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    •  Our local cops (3+ / 0-)
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      all wear the classic uniform.  Light or navy blue shirt, navy blue pants, shiny black shoes.  Traffic cops wear a fluorescent yellow vest over it for visibility.

      I've never seen a beat cop in our town pretending to be a member of a SWAT team.

      They could be wearing that uniform specifically for the assignment they're on, though.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:10:25 AM PDT

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  •  What police wear to an unarmed demonstrations is (6+ / 0-)

    certainly a different costume than they wore to the Bundy Ranch.

    Many guns were pointed in the desert and police were killed in Las Vegas. Still no Army of Swat.

    We need to solve this. This can be allowed to continue to happen.

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    by 88kathy on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:08:02 AM PDT

  •  I don't care what anyone says, I think Al Sharpton (7+ / 0-)

    is fantastic. That it took Al Sharpton, or a veteran civil rights leader of any kind, to help refocus the protests from violence to non-violence should tell us something. Something very disturbing.

    Something very disturbing about the police.

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:14:47 AM PDT

  •  When I look at that picture (7+ / 0-)

    its hard to put the caption

    "To Protect and Serve"

    with it.

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:15:23 AM PDT

    •  I look at that picture and all I can think is (2+ / 0-)
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      LinSea, GrindtheHills

      "deranged assholes".

      They would remind me of children playing fantasy games if they weren't so f'ing dangerous.

      I've got three tools in my arsenal: my voice, my wallet and my vote.

      by ExpatGirl on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:28:54 AM PDT

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    •  You don't think protecting the businesses (0+ / 0-)

      from being burned and looted by the mobs is a worthy action?

      This comment in no way should be interpreted as an approval of the police shooting of Michael Brown.

      The people in that community are rightfully angry.  But, more shootings,burnings, looting and assaulting reporters is not an acceptable response and must be stopped.

      It's a big shit sandwich, and I wouldn't wanna  be a cop in that area.

      I hope Rev Al can calm things down.

      •  Yeah, property is more important than people, (1+ / 0-)
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        Da Rock

        always has been, always will be.

        The police protect and serve the evil 1%, PERIOD.

        I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

        by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:55:30 AM PDT

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      •  Businesses are insured (0+ / 0-)

        they will come back.

        People when dead don't. - not even the innocent ones.

        Besides the arrest reports are showing that the vast majority of the looters / burners / bad guys were NOT from Ferguson .... just bad people taking advantage of the (out of control) situation caused primarily by the militarized police.

        People tend to not shit where they live.

        Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

        by Da Rock on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:38:38 AM PDT

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  •  In America, You Can Do This... (6+ / 0-)

    In America, You Can Do This And Be Called A Patriot

    In America, You Can Do This And Be A Patriot photo AHero_zpsb5605f5d.jpg

    In America. This Is What Happens When You're Black And Protesting The Killing Of An Unarmed Kid

    In America. This Is What Happens When You're Black And Protesting The Killing Of An Unarmed Kid photo WhenBlack_zps63bc1856.jpg

    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:38:19 AM PDT

  •  Cop Cos-Play itching to get BDUs on especially if (3+ / 0-)
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    drmah, a2nite, Nannyberry

    they never saw combat in real wars rather than domestic colonial repression of the Other

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:39:26 AM PDT

  •  Apartide or Genocide (1+ / 0-)
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    mod2lib

    White police officers and some white citizens are beginning to look like they want to exterminate young black males, they cite fear, when its really anger, they cite self-defense when they are the one on the offensive. Its come to the point where being blank and young is hazardous to your health, not just by the mean streets, but by those who have taken an oath to protect the streets and those who walk them. Its a slow Genocide and as long as they can get away with murder, they will continue to kill young black males.

    •  They do; it's a part of the attempt to keep (0+ / 0-)

      America white majority for as long as possible.

      I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

      by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:34:30 AM PDT

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  •  police theory (0+ / 0-)

    Methinks many police officials go after petty crime to pick off young Black men--to either intimidate, incarcerate, or injure.  The reasoning must be, Black teens are most likely going to be criminals, keep them off the streets and you help White folk.  A sane--yes a Christian approach, would be to raise the standard of living and see a drop in the crime rate.  I would hope most people think Jesus was/is color blind.
    As for the rioting, I experienced that after MLK's assassination.  Pent up anger and oppression leads to counter-productive and destructive behavior.  The police action is not KKK revisited, it is politically correct KKK light.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:42:17 AM PDT

    •  Predators hunt the weak, (2+ / 0-)
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      At least as I've heard police officers explain it, they need arrest numbers, and blacks are likely to be too poor and disenfranchised to hire a lawyer and unlikely to be related to anyone with power. Therefore, they'll usually just accept whatever fine or conviction they and the DA has in store for them. For many police, its just a job, and they don't have any great noble desires or purpose. The disenfranchised run through the mill easier and quicker, and in this country black skin is a pretty good indicator that you're probably disenfranchised. With white children, who know what you are? You may be poor, you be the son of the richest man in town. And while police generally get a free reign with the poor and black, they're basically just the hired muscle of the rich. If they pick a fight with upper class, especially the white upper class, they'll have their proverbial ass (and literal badge) handed to them quick.

  •  ATTENTION: My SISTERS and BROTHERS of AFRICAN D... (0+ / 0-)

    ATTENTION: My SISTERS and BROTHERS of AFRICAN DESCENT here in this VERY DISTURBED RACIST AMERIKKKA!!! We as a people really need to realistically began our EXODUS to BLACK RULED COUNTRIES!!! We need to STOP with all of this self hatred!!! Come together

    Collectively and LEAVE for the safety of OUR children!!! Many of you are deluded into believing that AMERIKKKA is the best place in the world for us, IT IS NOT!!! We have NEVER been accepted here!!! We are being MURDERED UNJUSTLY and INCARCERATED UNJUSTLY!!! Tell Me, how is that living a good life?!!How is living a good life, when everyday as a Person of AFRICAN descent everyone of US, NO MATTER OUR ECONOMIC STATUS have to be concerned about having our life SNATCHED AWAY by a VICIOUS MURDERER, more than likely white, just because they HATE OUR GOD GIVEN SKIN COLOR!!! We must stop DISRESPECTING

    ONE ANOTHER!!! And end violence towards one another!!! If We as a people DON'T respect ourselves no one else will!!! And when we are slaughtered in the streets by racist WHITES, people say those NIGGAS KILL MORE NIGGAS THAN WE DO!! They don't value their lives WHY SHOULD WE?!!

    I have been to AFRICA and I was treated BEAUTIFULLY!! When the people I encountered realized OR WAS informed I was From AMERIKKKA, they showed Me so much LOVE-"WELCOME HOME MY SISTER or MY DAUGHTER!!!" It's time We think about going home!! AFRICA is on the move!!

    It is headed toward economic stability and opportunity!!! ESPECIALLY, Nigeria, Angola,etc. Don't be afraid of EBOLA!! The chances of BLACKS BEING MURDERED by the HANDS OF WHITE RACISTS or being INCARCERATED are MORE A REALITY than CONTRACTING EBOLA!!!!!! Or perhaps think about CHINA, I have

    Spent time there as well and was always treated with RESPECT!!! I've

    been to several countries in EUROPE AS WELL!!! I loved it!! We must prepare ourselves!!! Position ourselves

    Primarily through education!!! Then We will not have to STAY WHERE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN ACCEPTED!!! WE MUST GET IT TOGETHER, My PEOPLE!! Peace!!!

    •  It would be infinitely more feasible to just try (0+ / 0-)

      to move everyone to a two or three states within the U.S. But, obviously the African emmigration idea has a long and turbulent history in the United States, the common denominator of which is Black people refuse to go. If Blacks wouldn't leave in the U.S. in the 19th century, it's not going to happen now or ever.

    •  After white people go back to where they came from (2+ / 0-)
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      drmah, Nannyberry

      since they know where they came from more than we do.

      They ain't going anywhere, and neither am I. This is my home although America hates me and my people. We have to outlive and out reproduce the evil monsters.

      I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

      by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 11:12:04 AM PDT

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    •  Marcus Garvey, please call your office (0+ / 0-)

      P.S. All humans are of African descent. Some left a while ago, some only more recently, some left of their own free will, some were taken in chains, but we're all from Africa originally.

      La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues, et de voler du pain.

      by dconrad on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:49:15 PM PDT

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  •  If you want to understand what is going on, (1+ / 0-)
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    Thornrose

    Read The Divide: American Injustice in the Age of the Wealth Gap by Matt Taibbi.

    I don't know what consciousness is or how it works, but I like it.

    by SocioSam on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:48:41 AM PDT

  •  tipping point. (1+ / 0-)
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    notagain

    We as a nation are at a tipping point. Anarchy or the rule of law. The rule of law applied "selectively" is a sure path to the dissolution of the republic.
    It is this "selectivity" that the average citizens to lower economic citizens see in their daily lives. They do not have full access to the justice system. That costs more money than they have, even when pooling resources. There is no fair recourse for them. Worse still they know it and are getting more than a little angry about it. Right now the rule of law only works for those who have the money to pay for it.
    That means that better than half the citizens have no recourse. Without recourse there is no hope for a better tomorrow. We are systematically denying better than half our citizens hope. Worse still is how one on the main branches of the justice system is now deemed untrustworthy by the citizens it is assigned to protect and serve.
    The police are the people who are the first face of the justice system that most people interact with first. When you are treated with contempt, open distrust, callous disreguard for your rights granted you by the constitution at your first contact with the system, how do you ever trust it? Go further and know that should an officer "feel" threatened he or she can kill you on a feeling. Go even further and know that the color of your skin, size, shape, and apparent economic status, attitude, even the look on your face can get you killed by that first agent of the justice system. Then know that said agent will not face the system the agent represents.
    There can be no trust. None. The police are a significant part of the problem, but only the beginning.

    Give blood. Play hockey.

    by flycaster on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:49:53 AM PDT

  •  So what's the big deal about telling us who (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, NancyK

    murdered the young man?  Seems like there is a double standard at play here that is fundamentally unfair.

    •  The issue now is danger... (0+ / 0-)

      For one its standard procedure not to to release the names of officers under investigation, but they are usually leaked anyway, which leads me to believe that the reason the name hasn't gotten out is because of the potential for death threats. Apparently, it was reported that one officer was named incorrectly and immediately received death threats. I haven't been able to confirm the reports, but considering how politically and racial charged the situation is I don't doubt it.

    •  Just to provide the context... (0+ / 0-)

      Here's an article from CNN regarding the threats http://www.cnn.com/...

  •  I am glad to see emotions being channeled (0+ / 0-)

    into something more constructive than rioting and looting.

    Der Weg ist das Ziel

    by duhban on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:02:55 AM PDT

  •  the only way to (0+ / 0-)

    break the blue line of silence is to employ people as police that have the temperament and morality to do the job according to the law of the land, up to now that hasn't been the case too many times to count.

  •  That picture tells you all you need to know (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, notagain

    about the police in Ferguson. They are cowards who have to hide behind military equipment and SWAT team get-ups. Such big, heroic men should have no problem supervising a peaceful protest with the guns, mace, tasers and batons they already have. You signed up for the job tough guy, why don't you try policing the streets like a normal fucking officer of the law and not a commando straight out of an Expendables movie.

    •  They are probably"Rent-a-Cops"from state mitlita. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Actually its the Saint Louis County PD (0+ / 0-)

      I doubt Ferguson has the money to have its own swat team and secondly this was taken Tuesday night and not all officers wore this type of uniform so its a bit misleading. SWAT response was likely called because of the massive riots that occurred during the first "peaceful" protest, which resulted in a Quicktrip being looted and burned and numerous other business in the area being destroyed as well. That same night shots were fired at the police and the police helicopter. A smaller but also violent protest happened on Monday night and again on Tuesday so what you see in the photo is an escalation of force to meet the not so peaceful protestors. After all a woman was shot in apparent drive-by last night and a police officer shot a man who was part of a group looting a business and carrying shot guns.

      We can debate about having a militaristic police force all day long and I will likely agree it's a bad thing and likely not contributing to this situation. However, given the volatility of the situation and the threats the cops have received this escalation isn't completely out of nowhere.

  •  Jeez, look at that rag-tag bunch!! (0+ / 0-)

    Does it put you in mind of White America's version of Ukrainian Separatist Thugs??

    "Equal rights for gays." Yeah, it's just that simple.

    by planmeister on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 11:00:07 AM PDT

  •  Brown obvious wasn't going for cops gun when shot (2+ / 0-)
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    NancyK, kingfishstew

    bc the cop had the gun to, you know, shoot him, when he was some distance away, and maybe in the back.  

    And what person puts almost his entire upper body thru the window in a cop car to try and get the cop's gun from his belt.  Srsly?  That's the best you can come up with?

  •  Normally quiet, until today (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

      Why after all these days have the police decided not to release the autopsy of the young man that was killed?  Wouldn't the information detailed in that report either confirm or deny the "facts as everyone knows them".

         Was the cop interviewed immediately after the shooting - or is he being held incommunicado - trying to get his 'story straight'.

         What amazes me is that these delays of looking to all the world as doing nothing is  tearing the community apart and the cops showing up day after day, night after night in militarized gear is certainly not helping.

          Look at the locations of the meetings last night...one was in the actual neighborhood and one wasn't.   If the Gov didn't have the cajones to enter the actually community - shame on him, the police chief, etc.

    •  They are continuing to cover up a heinous crime nt (0+ / 0-)

      I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

      by a2nite on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 11:28:19 AM PDT

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  •  There is a simple solution to these riots - (0+ / 0-)

    They should just issue the report exonerating the police officer right now rather than make everyone wait for months expecting "transparency" and "full disclosure."

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 12:40:46 PM PDT

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