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Unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown was executed with multiple gunshots by a Ferguson, Missouri policeman. Brown and a friend were walking down a street. They were confronted by police for walking in the street.
Still in his car, the officer then grabbed Brown by his neck, [Dorian] Johnson said. Brown tried to pull away, but the officer kept pulling Brown toward him, he said.

The officer drew his weapon, and "he said, 'I'll shoot you' or 'I'm going to shoot' " and almost instantaneously fired his weapon, hitting Brown, Johnson said.

Johnson and a bloodied Brown took off running, and Johnson hid behind the first car he saw, he said. The officer got out of his car.

"I saw the officer proceeding after my friend Big Mike with his gun drawn, and he fired a second shot and that struck my friend Big Mike," Johnson told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "And at that time, he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting. But at that time, the officer fired several more shots into my friend, and he hit the ground and died."

There is no full account yet from the police on the killing of Michael Brown. Many other witnesses seem to corroborate the above events.

Please read below the fold for more on this story.

Citizens of Ferguson have been protesting peacefully. They had no weapons. Yet they have been confronted by military-style policing. They have been tear gassed. They have been shot with rubber bullets by police. Reporters have been roughed up and thrown in jail.

Interestingly, the protest by tax evader Cliven Bundy had militias from all over the country converge on his ranch with weapons and snipers. Where were the riot police and government snipers for these armed protesters/terrorists? Reporters including Sean Hannity and others were given free access.

Detroit activist Maureen Taylor's message at the Netroots Nation 2014 Conference should be heeded.

“That’s how it starts,” Taylor said. “A little bit at a time. And before you look and before you know, there is a tidal wave of everyone trying to tell you don’t have the right. … Who was it who said for bad things to happen, all that is necessary is for good people to stand and say nothing. We’ve got a scream of silence going on.”

America needs to wake up. The oppression, killing, and abuse of a few select groups is just the beginning. You could be next.

Originally posted to ProgressiveLiberal on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:19 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  What are they fighting to protect? There has to be (1+ / 0-)
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    Gordon20024

    a moral code these police officers aspire to reach and somehow we are in the way.
    Why are we their targets, when our taxes pay their salary and all the big whigs pay are campaign contributions.

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:26:47 PM PDT

  •  One of these people is not like the others, guns (2+ / 0-)
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    Gordon20024, annieli

    are ok if you're white. The police assume black skin is a weapon, & shoot & kill be ause they're fucking armed anti-black cowards.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:45:49 PM PDT

    •  True. (5+ / 0-)

       photo cops-open-carry-student-protests_zpsdf2bcdf8.jpg

      .

      Ted Cruz is upset that there are so many refugees who would like to come make a life in America the way his father has.

      by Gordon20024 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:57:10 PM PDT

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    •  the response is differnt (5+ / 0-)

      One was a black kid walking on a public street, maybe breaking the law, but not refusing any direct instructions. He was shot

      The other is an old white man grazing his cattle on land he does not own.  He directly and repeatedly refused direct instruction to desist.  Arms were aimed at federal officers.  A reasonable response would be to send a drone to the criminals house and destroy it. Rand paul says he does not care who shoots the criminal?  Let's do and solve the problem.

      She was a fool, and so am I, and so is anyone who thinks he sees what God is doing. -Kurt Vonnegut Life is serious but we don't have to be - me

      by lowt on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:38:26 PM PDT

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  •  combination of bad command & control of cops (1+ / 0-)
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    as well as poor political /community response (perhaps resisting the swift action of the FBI)

    “That’s how it starts,” Maureen Taylor said. “A little bit at a time. And before you look and before you know, there is a tidal wave of everyone trying to tell you don’t have the right … Last thing. Who was it who said for bad things to happen, all is necessary is for good people to stand and say nothing. We’ve got a scream of silence going on.”

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:48:47 PM PDT

  •  Is Ferguson a dry run? (2+ / 0-)
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    The Bundy ranch was a fiasco. But law enforcement will dissect it and examine it closely, and they will learn from it. Likewise with Ferguson. But I fear that at least some will be doing so with far more disturbing ends in mind.

    Sadly, in the context of our times, the militarization of our police and the overwhelming use of  force against a disaffected populace, all in the guise of keeping them safe, actually makes perfect sense. If anything, the horror in Ferguson that we're witnessing--though it undoubtedly was never intended as such by the yokels in charge there--can in a lot of ways be seen as a dry run: a frightening foreshadowing of what inevitably has to be the future for this country and its civil order. As wealth and power consolidates and the gap between the haves and the have-nots grows, as our resources become less available to the least of us, and as the environmental consequences of our rape of the planet are more completely visited upon us, overwhelming militarized force will be the only effective means of protecting the chosen from the desperation of the growing masses of those who are not. Someone is or will be studying both Bundy and Ferguson under that microscope.

    Badly executed in Ferguson? Certainly. Counterproductive? Of course. Stupid? Without question. But they will learn from it--whoever “they” is--and they will get better at it.

  •  The unbalanced response is amazing. (2+ / 0-)
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    Though I imagine if OWS protesters or protesters in Ferguson exercised their open carry rights the police response would make "shock and awe" look tame.

    Every photo, every video I've seen from Ferguson depicts a menacing, heavily equipped paramilitary force just itching for the chance to use their gear. We see a peaceful assembly of people exercising their first amendment rights. The police see an unruly mob that needs to be suppressed by any means.

    OTOH anti abortion terrorists and open carry thugs are treated with kid gloves, almost as if they are family...

  •  There are a dozen differences between the two. (0+ / 0-)

    I could go over them point by point, but the critical one is thus:

    Bundy and his fellow travelers were armed and ready to shoot back.  The citizens of Ferguson aren't armed and likely don't want to shoot even if they were.

    That's it.  Full stop.  That's why I'm deathly afraid we're on the verge of another "May 4th" (and Kent State is my alma mater, so I don't say this lightly).

    •  04/70 Was Fairly Spontaneous as You Probably (6+ / 0-)

      know, not a location or timing either side would plan for making a point. (I've just recently walked it, it's only minutes from here, and I had a personal friend in the middle of the event. I faced the Ohio national guard a few days earlier in Columbus.)

      So yes absolutely, you have a very modest and reasonable fear with all the weapons floating about, the chance for stray sounds or sights to spook someone, and today's more automated weapons than the Guard carried in 70. That one cop at Ferguson with the swivel mount, could probably have taken down half the KSU national guard contingent in a couple seconds. And how many civilians and armed yahoos?

      Remember the one shooter in Arizona at the Gabby GIffords shooting inflicted 2-3 times the casualties of the legendary Arizona OK Corral gunfight with half a dozen shooters, because of the modern semi automation.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:21:51 PM PDT

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    •  Recommend (5+ / 0-)

      For some reason there is no recommend button on your post, so I will just say thank you for connecting this to Kent State style oppression of rights to protest.

    •  I thought the main difference was that Bundy was (2+ / 0-)
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      handled by the Feds. Ferguson is a batshit crazy local P.D.

      But overall, yeah, point taken.

  •  I'm just wondering if this contrast might sugge... (0+ / 0-)

    I'm just wondering if this contrast might suggest an open carry protest strategy for all people? I mean, it seems to push back the intrusive federal agents in many cases, not all. Do cranky armed white folks intimidate law enforcement? I'm just wondering, but I 'shur' wouldn't risk it if'n I was anything but.

  •  --Which is Why Militia Are Buying Weapons to (4+ / 0-)
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    caravan into Ferguson in the next few days.

    [#Onwhatfuckingplanet]

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:05:06 PM PDT

  •  Anyone that would act as the cop described (1+ / 0-)
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    in that statement would act has earned the same consideration.

  •  Sometimes things are not so black and white (1+ / 0-)
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    This is my first comment on the issue, perhaps the last.

    I want a full accounting.

    By both sides.  There are no angels in this drama.

    Nothing will be settled until that happens.

    It will not get easier before it gets harder. But the harder it gets, the easier it will be.

    by Richard Cranium on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:10:22 PM PDT

    •  Both sides? (14+ / 0-)

      There was only one murderer and only one victim.  What is the dead man supposed to account for, and how, exactly, is he to give this account?

      Oh, and let me just point out that people don't have to be angels to have the right not to be murdered by cops.  Why does a black man have to be an angel to have the right not to be killed?

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:20:28 PM PDT

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      •  I'll repeat myself, and let it stand at that (0+ / 0-)
        There are no angels in this drama.

        It will not get easier before it gets harder. But the harder it gets, the easier it will be.

        by Richard Cranium on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:34:25 PM PDT

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        •  Good, Bad, Angels, Devils. (2+ / 0-)
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          At the core of this is there is a large segment of the population, not limited to African-Americans, which feels the police in this country are out of control. The protest, and the  specifics of this case are besides the point. Either people who feel this way, including the people of Ferguson, will figure out a way to influence the politics of this nation in such a way that they achieve their goal - an American system of policing which they feel is less tyrannical and more republican in its character - or they won't. If they achieve it, it will because they'll convence more people this needs to be done, and more efficient at using the available levers of power themselves.

          And yes, this is as much a drama about human nature as it is about angels and demons. It would be nice if those with power always treated those without power well, but that's not usually the case. In the people of Ferguson's case, especially regarding the outsider and racial issues, their situation isn't so depraved that new ways of thought couldn't lead to them freeing themselves. And they should know they'll have to free themselves, or at least have learned through this, they'll have to free themselves.

          If, on the other hand, four years from now we look up and the 2/3rds black city's government is still mostly white, elections are being held,  and the whites aren't actually shooting, arresting, and beating up blacks to venture to the polls, then this will all have been a farce.

          People will make no end of excuses for themselves and others, but if you can stare down the barrel of a machine gun, and breath tear gas for a week, you can spend a couple of hours or the whole day if need be getting yourself to the polls one day every two years. Even if it ain't fair that you have to do so.

        •  But there is only one murderer, and one dead pe... (0+ / 0-)

          But there is only one murderer, and one dead person...So since both are at fault, in your mind, does that mean justice calls for equal treatment and the cop must die?

          •  Read this - and come back to me (0+ / 0-)

            It will not get easier before it gets harder. But the harder it gets, the easier it will be.

            by Richard Cranium on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:12:18 PM PDT

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            •  another black, unarmed citizen shot by police (0+ / 0-)

              Thugs. I feel to see how that disproves my point. Cops are out there shooting unarmed black folks and people like you are finding excuses...Kind of sick.

              •  I'm not making any excuses (0+ / 0-)

                For anyone.  You obviously did no more than skim my Stanley Gibson diary.  There was absolutely no gray area in Stanley Gibson's killing - the police were completely at fault.

                But no one gave much of a crap at the time.

                I want to know what makes the Michael Brown situation different than any of the many other "death by cop" episodes in any given year, whether the dead person is black, white, or any shade of color in between, young, middle age, or elderly.

                It will not get easier before it gets harder. But the harder it gets, the easier it will be.

                by Richard Cranium on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 08:07:54 AM PDT

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    •  False Equivalency Horseshit. (1+ / 0-)
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      There aren't TWO SIDES to this story Richard, there's ONE STORY.

      An African American man was murdered in broad daylight on a public street in front of witnesses by a police officer, and the police response is to ATTACK the angry community when they take to the streets.

      Every action taken by these police has been to inflame the community.

      Take your "both sides" horseshit and shove it!

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 05:07:17 AM PDT

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  •  Police Beat Another Man To Death (6+ / 0-)
    Los Angeles Police Department officers allegedly beat a man to death little more than a week before their fatal shooting of Ezell Ford, KTLA is reporting. An officer broke his hand during the incident, Cmdr. Andrew Smith, an LAPD spokesman, told the local TV station.

    Roughly four blocks from where Ford was later shot and killed, Omar Abrego pulled over outside his home and was beaten, still wearing his Amtrak uniform, on Aug. 2. A preliminary coroner's report suggested that Abrego, who had been driving erratically, was on cocaine.

    According to a statement from the LAPD, the altercation occurred when Abrego "attempted to flee." The statement continued, "The suspect sustained a laceration and a rescue ambulance was requested. The suspect was transported to a local hospital where he failed to respond to treatment and was pronounced dead around 5:10 a.m."

    The Los Angeles Times reported that Abrego "suffered a severe concussion and multiple facial and body contusions."

    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. --V for Vendetta

    by WFBMM on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:11:48 PM PDT

  •  Actually, it was Edmund Burke (2+ / 0-)
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    “That’s how it starts,” Taylor said. “A little bit at a time. And before you look and before you know, there is a tidal wave of everyone trying to tell you don’t have the right. … Who was it who said for bad things to happen, all that is necessary is for good people to stand and say nothing. We’ve got a scream of silence going on.”
    The person credited with the first utterance is Edmund Burke -
    conservative 18th Century Anglo Irish politician, political philosopher, author, orator and statesman:
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

    ~ Edmund Burke

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:15:30 PM PDT

  •  Police filing in and guarding storefronts. (1+ / 0-)
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    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
    This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

    by MTmofo on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:19:14 PM PDT

  •  I'd like to see the results (0+ / 0-)

    of the investigation(s) before concluding anything. I sometimes hope a lot of those who frequent DKos feel the same way. Kind of hard to find that behavior here though. Or anywhere else in this country, for that matter.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:23:30 PM PDT

    •  Yes, because we all know the investigation will... (3+ / 0-)
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      Yes, because we all know the investigation will get us to the truth...It has already started, similar to Trayvon, you see, he stole some cigars, you know what them black folks use those for, right? I hear it is to smoke the dope...I sometimee wish obtuse folks wouldn't use waiting and seeing when unarmed folks get shot...Too bad there are so many in this country who feel shooting unarmed folks is fine, just as long as they are scary "thugs" (you know, young black men, right?)

  •  Notice how Jackson hasn't reported how many (4+ / 0-)
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    shots hit Brown, how many were fired, whether Brown had gun powder on his hands.  

    He was wrestling for the gun as he was trying to climb into the cop car with the cop still inside.  Right?

    The longer Jackson withholds that from the press the more likely it is that Brown was shot in the back and or was shot at an angle consistent with him lying on the ground.

    If there is not gun powder, then he probably wasn't grabbing at the gun in the cop car when it went off.

    These are facts that would be known within 48 hours or less, unless the cops are delaying the autopsy under some sort of excuse.

  •  Great diary, it has seemed to me (0+ / 0-)

    that soon after President Obama leaves the White House, things will change regarding the seemingly open season on the slaying of young unarmed blacks.  I think the black communities have managed to keep a lid on the folks who have lost so much with the indiscriminate killings of these young folks.  It looks to me like that may change with the president leaving office and then we may see the police getting cold feet like they did with Bundy.  Pretty easy to be a tough guy going against unarmed teens, but when they are armed, I think we we see the pretend soldiers pissing their pants.  Then maybe we can have a conversation about the gun violence we have seen and stop militarizing the cops.

  •  Come on, walk into Applebees during family hour... (6+ / 0-)

    Come on, walk into Applebees during family hour as an open carry nutcase, get praised by local cop morons. Carry an airgun in walmart, from walmart, get shot. What is the common thread with these "justifiable" unarmed MURDERS, outside skin color.

  •  Right to assemble peaceably... (1+ / 0-)
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    There are said to be 3000 police coming to Ferguson.  Riot polices are already stationed in front of businesses.  K-9 units are unloading.  Busloads of cops are unloading.

    This looks like the SOP that we saw during Occupy Wall Street.

    It looks like Gov. Nixon is reading from the DHS Fusion Center playbook.

    If so, this is being directed as well from the higher levels of the federal government--Eric Holder and Jeh Johnson's shops at the very least.

    The paramilitary philosophy has just rolled right over Captain Ron Johnson.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:04:30 PM PDT

    •  So do K-9 units mean less likelyhood (0+ / 0-)

      of tear gas and that LRAD crap?

      •  With these guys (0+ / 0-)

        ...if they have it, it seems they are likely to throw it into the mix.  This is the most fun these ticket-writers have had in years apparently.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:55:57 PM PDT

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        •  well one can hope (0+ / 0-)

          I just figured because K-9 officers would be extra sensitive to gas and LRAD, they'd have to avoid using it around them. I don't see any dogs now.

        •  Well I haven't seen the K-9s, but they're (0+ / 0-)

          setting off the gas.

          •  3,000 cops for a town of 20,000 people? (0+ / 0-)

            Even with shift changes, etc., that's like, one officer for every 20 residents at all hours, every day, or more.

            Are people in Ferguson really THAT dangerous?!?!?

            I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

            by tom 47 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 01:13:32 AM PDT

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            •  Of course they are (0+ / 0-)

              They're (many of them) black.  Hence, dangerous.  They've turned Ferguson into a giant prison, complete with restricted mobility, loss of constitutional rights*, curfews and armed guards around the perimeter making sure nobody gets in and out.

              *Not just first and fourth.  Trying to exercise what the right-wing considers sacred 2nd amendment rights is a sure trip to the morgue if you live in Ferguson right now.

              "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

              by libdevil on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 02:23:55 AM PDT

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  •  First they came... (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama: Pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, pro-drilling, pro-fracking, pro-KXL, pro-surveillance. And the only person he prosecuted for the U.S. torture program is the man who revealed it. Clinton: More of the same.

    by expatjourno on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:16:27 PM PDT

  •  The shooter (0+ / 0-)

    Wilson is a kid - 28 yrs old

    what do you want to bet he's a vet (or wannabe vet)?

    is he used to pulling the trigger? are we the insurgents in his mind?

    We didn't stand up and it may be too late

    by pnchad on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:30:47 PM PDT

  •  After reading Maureen Taylor's... (1+ / 0-)
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    powerful words from Netroots Nation a couple of weeks ago...

    “That’s how it starts,” Taylor said. “A little bit at a time. And before you look and before you know, there is a tidal wave of everyone trying to tell you don’t have the right. … Who was it who said for bad things to happen, all that is necessary is for good people to stand and say nothing. We’ve got a scream of silence going on.”...

    I posted that Detroit was a microcosm of what ails the entirety of [urban] America.
    I would now like to amend my statement and suggest that the events in Ferguson represent an additional facet of what ails [urban] America.

    And to quote Egberto Willies from his diary above...

    "America needs to wake up. The oppression, killing, and abuse of a few select groups is just the beginning. You could be next."

    "These 'Yet To Be' United States" --James Baldwin--

    by kevinbr38 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 04:24:30 AM PDT

    •  It is obvious that another civil rights movement (0+ / 0-)

      is needed. More people will die in Ferguson I am willing to bet. Maybe this is the beginning, because if we get to the point where every black person believes that any police encounter could be fatal, then lots of people will be killed and policing will break down entirely and routine traffic pullovers will be a military operation.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:41:53 AM PDT

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  •  What no one is saying - and most probably will be (0+ / 0-)

    censored, or deleted, if said at all - is, simply, the basic fact that, one of the fundamental RELIGIOUS "principles" of the Western Book-Worship Cults (or "Protestantism" if one prefers) is RACISM!

    Based upon the Hebrew Mythology Book - and the fictional story of Noah and Great Flood - Noah, after the passing of the Flood, staggered in one day, roaring drunk, wrathful, and also naked; and fell into bed.  Among them, some of Noah's fictional "sons and grandsons" attempted to "cover Noah's nakedness", by walking backwards into the room and draping something over him on the bed.  Noah, however, wasn't quite unconscious; and he saw that some one of those carrying the cover were able to see him lying there naked.  So, Noah placed a wicked, vicious, and wrathful "curse" upon the grandchildren's children - to the last day on earth - of the "son/grandson" of the one who "saw his (Noah's) nakedness", using the words:  "Servants of servants shall they be unto all others."

    Since that day - over several Millennia now - people of dark skin color - as the "grandsons unto eternity" of Noah -  have been considered to be "cursed peoples".  And, as such, black, brown, yellow, red, and "miscegenated mixtures" have been seen as nothing more than a kind of "clever animal", to be enslaved, and treated accordingly.

    EACH AND EVERY Western Book-Worship Cult has perpetuated this mythological horror story in some way; and most, if not all, still do so today.  It is simply a cliché - expressed as "WASP" - and used even today, in the 21st Century, as the basis for anything and everything, such as currently has happened in Ferguson, Missouri, that distinguishes the CONTROLERS- i.e., the light-skin color (White) Cops - and those to be CONTOLED - i.e., the "cursed" people of dark-skin colors (Black/etc.).

    Put the blame where it belongs!  On the false, fraudulent, hate-mongering Western Book-Worship Cults, who preach, teach, support, and encourage the whole sad, sick, sorry syndrome.  And will go right on doing so, just so long as no one calls them on their evils!

    •  ? (0+ / 0-)

      I have gone to any number of so-called "Orthodox" Jewish synagogues over the last decade and never heard this interpretation. And neither the interpretations of keeping slaves, stoning homosexuals and witches, etc, it is not part of the Jewish religion which is not a "Torah" religion but based on rabbinical interpretation and the accepted customs of the Jewish people.
      Maybe some groups promulgate this kind of reading, but not any Jewish groups I have attended.
      On the other hand, many concepts of modern liberalism have evolved from Talmudic law granting people clear human and property rights, which is why Jews, although often entirely secular, have been leaders in liberal movements and free-thinking (see how Emma Goldman got thrown out of the US for being a Communist and out of Bolshevik Russia for being an anarchist).

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:38:10 AM PDT

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  •  I find it hard to compare the two. (0+ / 0-)

    The Bundy incident was as much Federal as local; the county sheriff's department got involved, but the USDA initiated the event.

    And gave the militias and gun nuts plenty of time to prepare and arrive. In many ways the Bundy incident was the opposite from Ferguson; the cops and feds didn't anticipate a big incident and were met with an angry and armed citizenry.

    In Ferguson, the citizenry was unprepared, but the cops had time enough to develop attitudes and get their combat gear out.

    The first was citizens threatening cops, the second, cops threatening citizens.

    There are also other differences. The federal response to stand down and let the cattle go was fast, and de-fused what was sure to be a bloody shoot-out quickly.
    The local law enforcement jumped out of the way and let the feds handle it.

    In Ferguson, the local law enforcement failed to step down at all. It wanted a shoot-out and was determined to get it. And even state troopers were initially involved.
    The Governor was much slower to rise and respond than the feds were with the Bundy incident.

    And now, more have died in Ferguson. No one was killed in Nevada.

    As I see it, even though Gov. Nixon was slower than he could have been, his efforts have been more successful than any that came from the local government, and I think lives were saved because of the Governor's actions.

    The federal action in the Bundy incident prevented even more bloodshed, and left the grown militia movement impotent and looking foolish.

    Both were the right things to do for the different circumstances.

    Right many are called, and damn few are chosen.

    by Idaho07 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 02:22:36 PM PDT

  •  There is a difference between Federal cops and ... (0+ / 0-)

    There is a difference between Federal cops and small town Missourah fuzz. Forex the lack of a long ancestry of married cousins in the lineage of the Feds . . .

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