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A makeshift memorial is pictured near where black teenager Michael Brown was shot to death by police over the weekend in Ferguson, Missouri August 12, 2014. Police said Brown, 18, was shot in a struggle with a gun in a police car but have not said why Bro
The parents of Michael Brown and their lawyers held a press conference Friday afternoon, responding to the "character assassination" of their son attempted by Ferguson Chief of Police Thomas Jackson in a morning press conference when he released video of Brown allegedly stealing cigarillos from a convenience store. Jackson was later forced to clarify that that robbery had nothing to do with Brown's death. The officer who killed Brown, Darren Wilson, did not know about the robbery before his confrontation with Brown.

Lawyer Anthony David condemned the release of that video, saying the "family feels that that was strategic, they feel that it was aimed at denigrating their son, it was a character assassination," and added that they believe Jackson's actions were meant to rile the community up again.

He’s now inciting the community all over again. If you get this kind of negative reaction to this... it won’t be on anybody’s part on this side. .. Now we’re focused on the side show.

Do not take the bait from anybody who is trying to character assassinate Mike. Don’t take that...

The family and lawyers reminded the community and the rest of the country watching events unfold to not be distracted by the videotape and that, as lawyer Daryl Parks said,  "We believe the most important thing, is what happened that particular day, in the middle of the street, is that officer killed Mike Brown. Let’s not lose sight of that."

One other tidbit, pointing back to what a bang-up operation the Ferguson PD is:

Browns were not told the name of the officer who shot their son before it was announced to the press this morning, says attorney Daryl Parka
@jonswaine
Unbelievable. Or, it should be. Nothing is surprising out of this clown show by now.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:20 PM PDT.

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  •  Pass it on! Day of Action tomorrow! (27+ / 0-)
    In the wake of the murder of unarmed teen Mike Brown by a police officer in Ferguson, MO, many people are seeking ways that they can help. We encourage everyone to take part in the following actions, as well as helping to educate your community on systemic violence upon communities of color.

    National Day of Solidarity Actions for Mike Brown
    Saturday, August 16
    1:00 pm
    Canfield Green Apartments, Ferguson, MO

    Groups on the ground in St. Louis are calling for nationwide solidarity actions in support of Justice for Mike Brown and the end of police and extrajudicial killings everywhere. On Saturday at 1pm -- one week after the murder of Mike Brown by a Ferguson police officer--we in St. Louis will gather at the location that Mike was shot in the Canfield Apartment buildings. We ask that you gather at the places in your community on Saturday where police and extrajudicial killings have occurred, or anywhere, to memorialize lives that have been lost and demand justice by ending systemic violence upon communities of color.

    (If you are not in St. Louis, find an event near you or register one here.)

    You can also help by:
    •    Contributing to the bail fund: http://bit.ly/...
    •    Contributing to the organizer fund: http://obs-onthemove.org/...

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:23:27 PM PDT

  •  Brown did engage in criminal behavior, he did not (1+ / 0-)
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    deserve to die regardless, full-stop.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:23:45 PM PDT

    •  Allegedly (26+ / 0-)

      There was no arrest, no investigation, no prosecution, no evidence, no trial, and no conviction.

      'Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive' - VP Joe Biden

      by RobertInWisconsin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:37:32 PM PDT

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      •  but there's no such thing as alleged death (5+ / 0-)

        Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

        by annieli on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:39:41 PM PDT

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      •  The family lawyer admitted it appeared to be him (5+ / 0-)
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        in the video.

        But it looks like it was more of a dare than a regular robbery. THe way the cops use technical language for something similar to shoplifting(geez, someone shoot Winona Ryder). From the shopkeeper's POV, it doesn't make a difference. But what we are dealing with is arrogance of youth, not some gangbanger. It seemed like an impulsive thing. Who the hell steals a freaking cigar in plain sight as a planned robbery? But it still does not mean he deserved to die. It just meant he deserved a whuppin by his parents.

      •  I saw the video evidence, can't unwatch it. (2+ / 0-)
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        If the video is really Brown and he did do what the police are claiming, he should have been arrested, but not murdered.

        •  Notably the friend who was allegedly (4+ / 0-)
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          also involved in that same incident HAS NOT BEEN ARRESTED.

          'Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive' - VP Joe Biden

          by RobertInWisconsin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:31:23 PM PDT

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        •  He should have been reprimanded, made to (0+ / 0-)

          pay for the cigar, no arrest was needed.   This entire episode is hard for me to grasp, a young man walking in the middle of the street is gunned down by an ill-trained cop who should never have been given a badge and gun.

          "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

          by sfcouple on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:57:26 PM PDT

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          •  Whoever it was assaulted that clerk (2+ / 0-)
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            I don't know if it was Brown, but whoever it was wasn't a Cub Scout, he about decked a clerk half his size and I sure the heck would want the police arresting him.  Shop lifting is one thing, physically attacking defenseless convenience clerks is something else again.  

            •  bullying folks due to size disparity (0+ / 0-)

              speaks to an adolescence cut even shorter minutes later

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              by annieli on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 04:17:48 PM PDT

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              •  It's a wonder anyone lives to be 25 the dumb (2+ / 0-)
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                things we do without consideration of the consequences.

                But as an old suburban white lady and as someone who has been a juror twice, that video would definitely impact how I perceived the situation.  Not the theft, it would be the physical altercation with the clerk.  That would stay with me and influence how I would believe the policeman was reacting to the same guy a few minutes later.  Obviously, I assume there is other evidence, and I don't know if the video would even be admissible in any case.  It certainly prejudices me because it makes me see the guy as a physical threat and particularly for women I think that is a powerful influence.

                Again, I don't know if it was Brown and I'm not saying I know what happened at all.  I'm just saying it would totally change my perception of what might have happened -- which is of course why the video was released.

          •  Reprimanded? Stealing and assault are crimes. (1+ / 0-)
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            He should have been arrested and charged.  Assuming that the evidence supported the charges (and it is hard to imagine how it would not have, given the video) he should have been convicted and punished, probably with a short jail sentence and probation.

            That he ended up dead instead is tragic, but given Brown's previous behavior the officer's story just got a lot more credible.

            This entire episode is hard for me to grasp, a young man walking in the middle of the street is gunned down by an ill-trained cop who should never have been given a badge and gun.
            Please provide your evidence for the claim that Wilson was ill-trained or that he was in any way unsuitable to be a police officer.

            I'm also not sure what you find hard grasping about this.  If the facts as Officer Wilson claims - that he stopped Brown for walking in the middle of the street and that Brown then attacked him and tried to seize his gun - then what would you expect to have happen?  For the officer to say "Sure... take my gun, have fun!"?

            There still remains a question of whether or not it was appropriate for the officer to shoot Brown while he was apparently retreating, but if the police are dealing with a violent criminal who attacked a police officer and tried to grab a gun that may be legal and allowed.

            •  you are full of Bs - "violent criminal" WTF n/t (3+ / 0-)
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              "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

              by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:36:48 PM PDT

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              •  Hitting an officer in the face and trying to grab (1+ / 0-)
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                his gun are violent criminal acts.  If Wilson's story is true then Brown had committed violent criminal acts and Wilson was justified in treating him as a violent criminal.

                •  spare us your Bs n/t (1+ / 0-)
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                  "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

                  by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:48:08 PM PDT

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                  •  What? You don't think hitting a police officer in (1+ / 0-)
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                    the face and trying to grab his gun is violent?  Or you don't think it is criminal?  Or you just think that pointing that out is inconvenient?

                    •  In the imortal words of Elvis: "Thank you, (1+ / 0-)
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                      thank you very much." I didn't expect anything less than an immense amount of sarcasm and criticism...I didn't watch the video because that has nothing to do with the execution of a man for jaywalking.  
                      Let me ask all my admiring friends: has anyone been arrested for the crime of stealing cigars?  Has there been any proof offered that anyone was grabbing this honorable police officer's gun?  Is there any evidence that the officer, who committed a cold blooded murder, was hit in the face?  And if I hit an officer in the face should I be arrested or summarily executed on the spot?  There is something called due process.

                      I'm waiting....on second thought, don't bother.  Someone steals a cigar and is executed on an American Street, I don't need any other explanations.  

                      "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

                      by sfcouple on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 06:19:54 PM PDT

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                      •  You seem to be making some big assumptions (1+ / 0-)
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                        .I didn't watch the video because that has nothing to do with the execution of a man for jaywalking.  
                        How do you know that was why Brown was killed?  How do you know the officer was not telling the truth?
                        Let me ask all my admiring friends: has anyone been arrested for the crime of stealing cigars?
                        The alleged perp is dead.  We don't arrest corpses.
                        Has there been any proof offered that anyone was grabbing this honorable police officer's gun?
                        Given that there is no video, what proof would you accept?  Has there been any proof offered that Brown was not grabbing Wilson's gun?
                        Is there any evidence that the officer, who committed a cold blooded murder, was hit in the face?
                        Where is your evidence that the officer "committed a cold blooded murder"?  I would assume that if the officer was not justified in the shooting he did it because he was angry, upset, or scared - by definition not in cold blood.

                        There is also at least some evidence that he was hit in the face.  Apparently his face was swollen after the incident.  Medical reports have not yet been released so we do not know more.  

                        What will you say if the medical report says Wilson had facial injuries consistent with being hit in the face?

                        And if I hit an officer in the face should I be arrested or summarily executed on the spot?
                        If you hit an officer in the face and try to grab his gun and then try to run you can, apparently, be legally shot while fleeing.  Standard is whether or not the officer reasonably believes you are a violent criminal and that it is necessary to shoot you to prevent escape.
                        •  I'll wait until all the facts are established (1+ / 0-)
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                          before commenting on your specific comments.  But at the least, there is no way this young man should have been shot to death....at what point do police stop shooting an unarmed suspect?  Bullets can and will kill innocent bystanders and this officer's conduct is beyond the pale, there is zero reason or justification for shooting someone with their hands in the air demonstrating they are unarmed. One should never fire their weapon without knowing what is behind the target, this officer is negligent and should never again be allowed to carry a badge and gun.  
                          Prevent escape?  Give me a break, this man was guilty of what, jaywalking and you have the audacity to complain about escaping?  How would you like having your child gunned down to prevent escape from the crime of jaywalking?  Have you ever jaywalked?  Would you expect to be be shot to death for such a crime?  Of course not , you are probably white and would never been stopped or arrested while being black.

                          "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

                          by sfcouple on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:12:39 PM PDT

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                          •  Not clear to me (0+ / 0-)
                            But at the least, there is no way this young man should have been shot to death....at what point do police stop shooting an unarmed suspect?
                            Legally, the police are allowed to shoot at violent offenders who are fleeing if that is the only way to stop them.  If Brown hit Wilson in the face and tried to grab his gun, as claimed, then I think he fits the definition of a violent offender and the shooting was legal (although it may still have violated the Ferguson PD's use of force regs, meaning that Wilson could still face employment consequences).
                            this officer's conduct is beyond the pale, there is zero reason or justification for shooting someone with their hands in the air demonstrating they are unarmed.
                            Untrue.  The police are allowed to shoot fleeing suspects in order to stop them.  Raising one's hands does not change this.  In addition, raising one's hands does not show one is unarmed.  It merely shows that you are not carrying a weapon in your hands.
                            One should never fire their weapon without knowing what is behind the target, this officer is negligent and should never again be allowed to carry a badge and gun.  
                            That is definitely not the case - for example, in self defense cases.  What is your evidence that Wilson did not know what was behind Brown?  I think whether or not he was negligent is a fact specific question and we do not have the facts.
                            Prevent escape?  Give me a break, this man was guilty of what, jaywalking and you have the audacity to complain about escaping?
                            According to Wilson, he was guilty of attacking an officer and trying to seize his gun.  That sounds a lot more like a criminal who is potentially a danger to the community and who should be shot to prevent his escape.
                    •  Prove that he hit the officer in the face (0+ / 0-)

                      Also prove that he was attempting to grab the officers gun.

                      •  Given that it is the officer who is accused of a (0+ / 0-)

                        crime you have this backwards.

                        The state will need to prove that Brown did not hit the officer in the face or attempt to grab his gun.

                        •  The officer has not been charged with anything (1+ / 0-)
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                          Whether or not Brown hit the officer or tried to grab the gun is also not relevant.

                          The question is whether or not the officer continued to shoot Brown after he had surrendered and was standing in the street with his hands up.

                          Did the officer shoot a man who was standing still, unarmed with his hands in the air? Yes or no, that is the question.

                          All the other stuff is just noise to muddy up the issue.

            •  Provide the evidence (0+ / 0-)

              That he stole the cigars.

              There is a video that shows him putting the cigars on the counter. Then it cuts to him leaving the store.

              What happened after he put the cigars on the counter but before he left the store?

              Can you prove he didn't pay for the items by looking at that video?

      •  There are actually 2 eye witnesses. (1+ / 0-)
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        They have been oddly left out of this. Just sayin.

        “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

        by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:31:15 PM PDT

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        •  All of this is a smokescreen (5+ / 0-)
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          Brown was stopped - and then executed on the spot - for jaywalking.

          Now, apparently, the Ferguson police chief has identified two offenses - jaywalking and suspected shoplifting - that apparently are capital offenses in his town.

          Never mind arrests, investigations, charges, evidence, trial, convictions, or any of that other trivial constitutional silliness related to due process.

          'Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive' - VP Joe Biden

          by RobertInWisconsin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:32:47 PM PDT

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          •  Not shoplifting. Strong arm robbery and assault. (1+ / 0-)
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            And that certainly makes the officer's story a lot more credible, don't you think?

            •  oh pleezzzze n/t (0+ / 0-)

              "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

              by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:37:27 PM PDT

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            •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

              He pulled (strong-armed) the guy into his patrol car. He could have called for backup, cited for jaywalking, demanded ID, any number of things. Instead he played God and immediately regretted it. Wrestling with a 250+ lb man from the confines of your patrol car pretty much negates all physical advantage. From that point he set in motion every event that led to the death of that man. For you and I? That is called manslaughter. Everything else is just rally around the family bullshit.

              It is depravity and it was caused by Wilson.

              “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

              by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:36:16 AM PDT

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              •  Maybe... do you think that story is likely? (0+ / 0-)

                You're sitting in a car... do you get into a fight with someone standing outside?  

                He can punch.  You're sitting and can't even stand to face him.

                I don't think so.

                •  Yes...I do. I think he was upset that these guys (0+ / 0-)

                  ignored a lawful order or at the least didn't comply fast enough. According to the other kid he pulled off and then reversed back towards them and turned the vehicle to block them. He then tried to open the door only to realize he was too close to them so reached out and yanked Brown by the scruff into the window. Only, like anyone faced with that weirdness, Brown pulled away....which pissed Wilson off all the more, so he tried harder. The struggle led to Wilson's firearm discharging.

                  I can totally see the chain of events unfold like that. This is often the sort of pattern you see when people abuse their children. Like...."how dare you pull away me from while I am beating your ass."  

                  “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

                  by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:34:37 AM PDT

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                  •  Shrug... I've been in confrontations while in a (0+ / 0-)

                    car.

                    You are totally vulnerable.  The guy outside can just stand there and punch you in the face, but there is nothing you can do.

                    Also, Brown was over 6 feet tall.  How was Wilson supposed to grab him by the neck and pull him in while sitting in his car?

                    •  He yanked his clothing. Again, can be verfied by (0+ / 0-)

                      simply examining the witness testimony and testing it with evidence. Unless you just conclude that because of the character of the witnesses their testimony is irrelevant and their isn't any reason to actually check it out.

                      Asking how it is possible to pull someone that tall into a car window doesn't negate it's possibility. Especially when you weigh in the authority of the officer who could have simply told him to bend down closer.

                      “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

                      by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:16:31 AM PDT

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                      •  Yanked his clothing... his shirt tails? (0+ / 0-)

                        Got a wife, a room mate, anything?  How tall is that person?

                        Sit in your car (a regular car, not an SUV) and ask that person to stand outside the car next to you.

                        Then try to reach out to his clothing.  See how far up his chest you can get without twisting around so you have no leverage.

                        •  Or...simply use your finger to gesture him to come (0+ / 0-)

                          a little closer. Then tell him to come even closer still so you can whisper in his ear. Grab him by the scruff and tell him all the things you want to do to him because your just particularly pissed off today. How much you hate his guts. How much you would like him to just go back where he came from. How much you hate your job because you have to deal with his scum all day. Maybe you look for the right button to push. See if you can get a rise out of him. Prove how powerless he is. Maybe you get what you ask for because this guy has had a bad day too.

                          Of course I can't demonstrate that with a wife, roommate, etc...

                          But I guarantee a police officer can. He has all the authority he needs to instill that kind of obedience in another human being. Especially in Ferguson, MO. Just simply drive up to a person, gesture with your finger, and say, "come here boy."

                          “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

                          by nutherhumanbeing on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 10:17:43 AM PDT

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                          •  But is that the claim? (0+ / 0-)

                            My understanding is that the claim is that Wilson drove up to Brown and grabbed him by his shirt and pulled him, not that he asked Brown to lean down into the car and then grabbed him by the neck or shirt.

                          •  You're right. But he also claimed that Wilson (0+ / 0-)

                            almost backed into them and then tried to open the door but couldn't because they were right next to the car. The guy actually said that Wilson grabbed his neck. There are oddities a plenty, to be sure, but the idea that Brown chose to walk up and start punching a cop without physical provocation is just too far fetched in my view. And they WERE observed wrestling through the window by another witness.

                            I did try your example with a friend in a 95 Buick Le Sabre. He is 6'2 at 270 and strong as a mule. I was able to reach up and get a firm grip below his collar and pull him down with a quick snatch, but it was nothing for him to put his hands on the car and pull away. His shirt ripped as well. I then tried to hold him with both hands behind the neck with knees against the steering wheel. Right. The man simply bench pressed me out of the car. It was a joke.

                            So. I'm biased. Something is south of cheese and I am more inclined to believe the witnesses than the cop being sheltered by his crew.

                            Apologies.

                            “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

                            by nutherhumanbeing on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:59:47 PM PDT

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                          •  Except your experiments seem to show that (0+ / 0-)

                            grabbing someone from inside a car just does not work.

                          •  Grabbing works fine. Holding doesn't. I believe (0+ / 0-)

                            that's what I demonstrated. And I'm a welterweight who hasn't worked a day in two years. And I don't have the authority of an all white police force. But it appears I gave you the benefit of your argument only to find it was just rhetorical. So, we both have our assumptions and I for one have more food for thought now. And an extra couple of bruises.

                            Thanks for the discourse anyway.

                            “...I'm glad I'm not afraid to be lazy!” ― Augustus Mc Crea, "Lonesome Dove"

                            by nutherhumanbeing on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 10:59:26 AM PDT

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      •  No kidding. (1+ / 0-)
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        Everybody on the LSM is stating as a fact that the person in the shop video was Brown and did not pay for what he walked out with.  Worse the cops are claiming it as a fact.

        Likely it is since one of the other two men looks like the guy who says he was with Brown, but its not a proven fact yet.

    •  He was shot first and the criminal behavior was (9+ / 0-)

      brought up later.

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      by 88kathy on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:37:35 PM PDT

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    •  Executed for a box of rellos (5+ / 0-)

      The intent behind releasing information about the alleged robbery was to distribute that screenshot of Brown towering over the storeowner in an attempt to corroborate Wilson's defense that he was assaulted.

      But it's irrelevant. According to witnesses, Brown was shot, fled, shot again, and surrendered with his arms up. Wilson then walked up and shot two more times, killing him.

      There's no justification for executing a black teenager over a stolen box of rellos.

    •  now I have engaged.. (6+ / 0-)

      in criminal behavior. I started stealing radishes when I was 12, and went downhill from there. thanks be to jeebus, I'm a white lady from NY. Little slap on the hand and sent on my way.

    •  So you know he committed that robbery? Sorry, I... (1+ / 0-)
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      So you know he committed that robbery? Sorry, I don't believe a word said by ferguson PD. IMHO they spent the last 6 days digging for dirt on Michael brown. When they couldn't find any they resorted to this smear job. This video is the high tech equivalent of a "drop gun."

      •  perhaps and not even a robbery attempt (0+ / 0-)

        more like an argument with two clerks but the video does perhaps show cultural conflict as well and has of course some resemblance to other historical events

        According to Professor Edward Park, director of the Asian Pacific American Studies Program at Loyola Marymount University, the 1992 violence stimulated a new wave of political activism among Korean-Americans, but it also split them into two camps. The liberals sought to unite with other minorities in Los Angeles to fight against racial oppression and scapegoating. The conservatives emphasized law and order and generally favored the economic and social policies of the Republican Party. The conservatives tended to emphasize the political differences between Koreans and other minorities, specifically African Americans and Hispanics.

        A year prior to the Los Angeles riots, storekeeper Soon Ja Du argued with ninth-grader Latasha Harlins over whether the 15-year-old had been trying to steal a bottle of orange juice from Empire Liquor, the store Du's family owned in Compton. After a brief fight, Du shot and killed Harlins. (Security tape showed the girl was still clutching $2 in her hand when investigators arrived.) Du was convicted of voluntary manslaughter but not sentenced to any prison time. This was the catalyst that fueled much of the rage against Koreans and Korean storeowners in the Los Angeles community. Racial tensions had been simmering underneath the surface for several years. Many African-Americans were angry toward a growing Korean merchant community in South Central Los Angeles earning a living in their communities, and felt disrespected and looked down on by many Korean merchants. Cultural differences and a language barrier further fueled tensions in an already fragile environment. With the acquittal of four LAPD officers in the Rodney King beating trial and the aftermath of the Soon Ja Du trial where she was sentenced to probation for killing Latasha Harlins, the Los Angeles riots ensued and much of the anger was directed at Koreans.

        Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

        by annieli on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 04:05:48 PM PDT

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    •  No... but it certainly might explain why he would (0+ / 0-)

      react aggressively to a police officer.

      Don't you think it would be a wild coincidence if he was just randomly shot a few minutes after committed a strong arm robbery?

      On the other hand, it would be pretty understandable if he was stopped by the cops for an unrelated issue a few minutes after he committed the robbery, reacted aggressively, attacking the police officer, and was shot as a result.

      •  react aggressively to someone who said (1+ / 0-)
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        "Get on the fucking sidewalk"?

        Who then tried to run him over with the police car?

        Who then hit him with the car door?

        Who then yoked him around the neck?

        "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

        by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:41:36 PM PDT

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        •  Your evidence for these claims? (0+ / 0-)

          And this just happened to happen minutes after he committed a strong arm robbery?  One heck of a coincidence, huh?

          •  you are trolling this diary (4+ / 0-)
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            we get the picture.  

            You've repeated yourself several times

            "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

            by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:45:05 PM PDT

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            •  Meaning you have no evidence for these claims (0+ / 0-)

              and you think it is totally unfair for people to complain when you make things up if they support your preferred narrative.

              •  um - actually the Police Chief (4+ / 0-)

                in his presser today said it had nothing to do with the shoplifting

                and there are several eyewitness accounts.

                "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

                by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:50:10 PM PDT

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                •  Another lie (0+ / 0-)

                  I challenge you to find documentation for this claim.

                  actually the Police Chief in his presser today said it had nothing to do with the shoplifting
                  The Police Chief did state that Wilson was not aware that Brown was a suspect in the strong arm robbery and assault (why do you keep calling this shoplifting when the pictures make it pretty obvious it was a lot more?).  However, that does not mean that it had nothing to do with the robbery and assault - we will obviously never know what was in Brown's mind, but if he did attack the police officer as claimed then it seems highly likely that he did so because he had just committed a crime and assumed he was about to be arrested for it.
          •  These so-called "claims" are ... (2+ / 0-)
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            all over the reporting on the story.  Brown's friend Johnson, the primary eyewitness, says that's what happened.  Most of his story has been confirmed by the police.  They concede Brown and Johnson were stopped because they were walking in the street.  They concede there was some kind of struggle, although they claim the officer was not the aggressor and was injured.

            And yeah, it just happened to occur, because as the police have also conceded, the killer didn't know Brown was a suspect in the so-called "strong arm robbery."  Even the police aren't saying Brown was stopped because of the robbery.

            Sure, they released the video, but that's because they're trying to smear Brown.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:29:42 PM PDT

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            •  As far as I know, Johnson is the only evidence for (0+ / 0-)

              three of the claims:

              react aggressively to someone who said "Get on the fucking sidewalk"?

              Who then hit him with the car door?

              Who then yoked him around the neck?

              To the best of my knowledge, even Johnson has not claimed:
              Who then tried to run him over with the police car?
              I also find the two of Johnson's other claims highly implausible.
              1. Who then hit him with the car door?

                If you have ever been in a confrontation while in a car you will know that your first priority (assuming that you don't consider driving away an option) is to get out of the car - a person sitting in a car is totally unable to defend himself or do anything to a standing man outside the car.  So you definitely try to open your door.  You don't try to hit someone with it unless it is to push him away so you can get out.

              2. Who then yoked him around the neck?

                Wilson would be grabbing Brown, a very big man, around the neck with his left arm while sitting in his car and unable to do anything to or with him.  Just not what I can imagine doing in a physical confrontation with someone outside my car while I was sitting in it.

              The police have not conceded any of the specific claims.

              And yeah, it just happened to occur, because as the police have also conceded, the killer didn't know Brown was a suspect in the so-called "strong arm robbery."  Even the police aren't saying Brown was stopped because of the robbery.
              That does not mean it was not related.  Brown's reaction to Wilson was presumably driven by his knowledge that he had committed a violent crime just a few minutes earlier and his presumable assumption that he was about to be arrested and all of his plans like college were down the toilet.
  •  I hope the community doesn't go negative behind (6+ / 0-)
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    the inflamatory data given out by the  police chief of Ferguson, MO.  That would be a terrible distraction from the loss of an 18 year old by gun shot from a police officer in Ferguson, MO.  Tonight will tell the tale, I hope it is peaceful.

  •  linked comment with link: (4+ / 0-)
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    here.

    guardian-uk live updates.
    much info.

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:35:52 PM PDT

  •  Not surprised; the police are agents of evil (4+ / 0-)
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    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:37:22 PM PDT

  •  Sweet lord. (13+ / 0-)

    I don't know why anything the Ferguson, MO police department does surprises me, but this level of complete incompetence combined with desperation is utterly jaw dropping.

    They didn't even inform Michael Brown's parents of the police officer's name before this morning's spin conference?

    I hope the DOJ takes the FPD over and cleans house. The FPD is a danger to everyone, including themselves.

    There is something in us that refuses to be regarded as less than human. We are created for freedom - Archbishop Desmond Tutu

    by Onomastic on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:43:51 PM PDT

  •  Intended Effect (1+ / 0-)
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    I have seen outside of this forum far less outrage now in places as before now that the "robbery" angle is out there.

    Brown now just falls into many people's stereotype of a "thug" and assume it likely wasn't his first crime nor last, and they far less troubled by the murder.

    It's sad that is the way America is, but the "thug" perception really seems to drive home the intended effect the FPD had when they decided to release the story.

    •  So you're saying racism still exists in America? (2+ / 0-)
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      I thought it ended when that guy that got shot had a dream.

    •  Sample from HotAir (3+ / 0-)
      I don’t care about Michael Brown anymore. I did -right up ’til I learned he was just another ignorant thug that people needed to be protected from.

      Whatever Officer Wilson did can play out wherever it needs to- in court, or a suspension hearing, or nothing at all.

      It still won’t make me give a half a sh** about some ignorant, malevolent piece of garbage too stupid to low-profile it after committing robbery.

      And all of his defenders can kiss my white Glock-toting Army a**.

      Next story.

      M240H on August 15, 2014 at 5:24 PM

      •  Non-Political Forums (1+ / 0-)
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        What you posted is in not so many words the type of thing I have seen posted on non-political forums where people are just following the story in general.

        Many people that really cared suddenly cared a whole lot less when they thought he was "just another thug" that steals from local convenient stores.

        It is totally wrong as no one should be killed over that, but many people seem to be far less outraged now that this piece of "news" is out there.

      •  Oh, and Mike's crime wasn't theft so much (0+ / 0-)

        as failing to "low-profile it" afterwards.

  •  Can a Veedelschmitz please enter this story??? (2+ / 0-)
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    We got Brown, Jackson, Johnson, Wilson.  I will not be surprised if the next two people are named Smith and Jones.  My feeble mind cannot keep them apart. Every name so far has multiple pages in a phone book for a 10 K population town.  Please give me a name something less cliche.

    The more you learn, the less you know.

    by quiet in NC on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:49:57 PM PDT

  •  What people have overlooked... (4+ / 0-)

    ...is that the video also shows that Dorian Johnson did not steal any cigars (he returned the box to the counter) and did not "strong-arm" anybody. In fact, Johnson's is the only testimony so far that has been independently corroborated (by the police chief admitting the stop was not motivated by the robbery; by other independent witnesses who say Brown's hands were up).

    Also, lest we forget, our Miranda rights came from a case involving a rapist. Committing a crime does not rob you of your due process rights, including the important due process right of not being shot to death with your hands up in the air.

  •  Poozer Blither fans the flames (1+ / 0-)
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    claiming that "the family" "admitted" that the person in the surveillance tape "was Brown".

    Heard it just a short while ago on CNN (Cop News Network).

    If it's
    Not your body,
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    And it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:54:15 PM PDT

  •  It's possible to surmise what happened here....... (5+ / 0-)

    It's possible to surmise what happened here....Michael and his friend did try to shoplift some cigars (the horror!!!) however, they were confronted by a customer, scared straight, and put them back. Our vigilant citizen, instead of minding his ducking buisness, attempts to make Michael stay in the store until the cops, who he just called, arrive. What we see on the tape is Michael telling the intrepid amateur detective to go fly a kite. This seems plausible to me.

    Police dig up this incident which they gave NO attention when it happened, and write up a police report that has Michael Brown's NAME in it, when they couldn't have possibly known it was him at the time it was taken. They gather with their strategists and Lawyers and deliberately release the info at the same time as the officer's name is revealed to make the Hannum and Breitbart crowd start foaming at the mouth and to lay the groundwork for the defense of their murderous cop.

  •  Excuse me for being naive.... (1+ / 0-)
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    But did they positively identify Brown as the shoplifter in the video?

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:16:08 PM PDT

  •  Chief Dumbass just keeps (4+ / 0-)

    digging a deeper hole.

    During the news conference Jackson said the officer who shot Brown did stop him and his friend because they were walking down the middle of the street.   That officer had not responded to the robbery call
    .

    http://fox2now.com/...

    The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

    Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

    http://www.stltoday.com/...

    So let me follow Chief Dumbass's story.

    Officer didn't stop Mike Brown because of alleged robbery but conveniently, after stating that on camera, adds later that the officer was aware cigars were taken in the alleged robbery he didn't know about?

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:18:17 PM PDT

  •  The chief has decided (1+ / 0-)
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    that if he's going down (and he is), he's taking everyone else with him.

  •  Because of course they did. (0+ / 0-)

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:22:13 PM PDT

  •  The only relevance this video has (0+ / 0-)

    is if the killer cop's defense uses this as a way to portray this teen as an impulsive guy who took these cigars in an unplanned moment knowing very well that he can be easily caught if someone wanted to identify him and took the cigars not just to the sake of stealing, but maybe for the pure fun of sticking it to the shopkeeper and why that attitude could translate to an impulsive struggle just for kicks with the cop.

    NOw, I am not on board that. But after days of raging against the cops, I am just laying out devil's advocate thoughts here  just because I have exhausted a lot of outrage already.

  •  live update summary guardian-uk: (0+ / 0-)

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:23:17 PM PDT

  •  This is why people need to chill and wait for i... (0+ / 0-)

    This is why people need to chill and wait for information. If Brown did commit a robbery, whether impulsive or not....that doesn't make him first in line for the credibility trophy.vEveryone needs to calm down and let the investigation go on.

    •  Dont you think cops would have mentioned this earl (1+ / 0-)
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      From the video, it is clear Brown was not the angel his mom wants to believe he is. But it is no proof he is a thug. He did have a really bad moment for sure. But I doubt he would be that stupid to want to fight with a cop when he knows that putting more attention on himself with a cop would only result in his shop incident being discovered. I believe what the friend said.

    •  Of course Brown has no credibility- he's DEAD! (0+ / 0-)

      It's the credibility of the witnesses that matters. The fact that Dorian fessed up to this before the cops released the info. makes him a little more in my eyes.

  •  OK to gun down white teen shoplifters? (2+ / 0-)
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    In case, some of the Bill O Reilly type conservatives resume their support of cops(the Hannity types were always supporting them) based on a karmic payback rationale, I wonder if they feel like it's no big deal if a16 year old blonde suburban teen gets gunned down by a cop for jaywalking after they shoplift from a mall store.

  •  Kinda Blows the "Gentle Giant" Meme (0+ / 0-)

    I don't anticipate any video surfacing that justifies the killing, but the "gentle giant" meme just went tits-up, and the possibility that he would have "tussled" for the cop's gun has to be considered.

    And we well know the reaction of most cops when their blanket authority is challenged, especially physically.

    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:31:35 PM PDT

    •  Yes it does (0+ / 0-)

      When you steal from a shop, why would you engage in a fight with a cop that way and even if you are not shot, you pretty much guarantee yourself getting caught for the shoplifting.

      But as angry as I was and still am at the cops, I made mention before this revelation that liberal groups neeed to work fast in vetting all the stories. A mother who just lost her son is naturally going to say good things about her son. But the family just ends up looking stupid when they made this a constant refrain. I understand why the family would ignore this aspect of Brown, but it is just not smart strategy and the lawyers who went by their side should have forseen this and cautioned them against pushing this meme.

      But don't forget one thing. This is still a cold blooded assassination even if you give Brown no benefit of doubt.

      •  Minor clarification (0+ / 0-)

        I posed my question not to say he was stupid to fight with the cop. I actually believe he wouldn't and the reason for that is he just walked away from a felony or mischief of some sort, at the very least. It doesn't make sense why he would initiate any tussle with the cop .

        •  If He Was Trying to Get Away (0+ / 0-)

          It would make perfect sense, and he had no idea the cop didn't know about the robbery.

          I'm not defending the cop's actions, by any means, but there are some problems with the "conventional wisdom" here, starting with the oft-repeated "gentle giant" bullshit.

          Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

          by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:45:27 PM PDT

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          •  The gentle giant thing (0+ / 0-)

            It's something a mom or loved one would say. I blame the lawyers for doing a crappy job of not doing their due diligence and focusing this on the incident and not present the kid as an angel. They should have stuck with a "no one is perfect, but he never did anything that deserved to get him shot". I mean, how could the family not know of what happened before. Didn't the friend warn the family what their son did? Why didn't the family lawyers get the friend to tell them what happened at the store so they wouldn't be blindsided?

            I had  a feeling something like this would happen which is why I put out a comment before this disclosure that the lawyers need to focus on vetting all witnesses and get the real story. Then this revelation would have not resonated among moderates. A lot of us who come here haven't bought the dirty ploy by the police. But a lot of non political folk out there right now are saying the kid on some level is party culpable.

            •  The Autopsy Report Will Be Next (0+ / 0-)

              If you look closely at the picture of the body in the street there's no sign of shots in the back, WHICH STILL DOESN'T EXONERATE THE COP.

              I know from experience what I'm opening myself up to here, but this shit is going to be asked.

              For what it's worth, I'm not trying to justify the shooting OR the police response to the protests.

              Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

              by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 04:00:32 PM PDT

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              •  No worries (0+ / 0-)

                I have been and continue to be one of the most militant people in seeking action against the killer cop and I have no problem people bringin up a devils advocate. One reason why I am comfortable with this.  If his behavior had any relevance to the cop encounter, why wouldn't they say that 4 days earlier? The chief back then said it was jaywalking. And then he tries to insinuate a connection, and then he has to revert back to his original statement that it was only jaywalking. But then he now says, the cop might have seen the cigars and made an instant connection. SO WHY DIDNT THE CHIEF SAY THAT BACK THEN? Wouldn't something that big have been disclosed by the killer cop immediately? This shop thing was purely an after the fact discovery and now the chief is trying to use it take heat off of the cop.

                But I keep telling our own people on the progressive side. There is no need to exaggerate anything when you are in the right. Hell, if trhe lawyers vetted this incident, we mght actually find out something even more innocuous., What if that shoplifting was a mere prank or dare of sorts. It doesn't look very planned what he did. It does not excuse him at all.

                We need to be more disciplined if we are going to win these battles. The lawyers dropped the  ball.  

                •  It Appears to Me Nothing is Too Simple (0+ / 0-)

                  For the Ferguson Police to fuck up.

                  But the dominant narrative of the week, of the gentle giant shot down helpless in the street, is starting to crumble, which may well allow the deflection of the heat for both the killing and the response.

                  Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                  by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 04:17:43 PM PDT

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                  •  Oh really? (1+ / 0-)
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                    So an unarmed 18-year-old is shot to death by a cop, yet you think the "dominant narrative" is starting to crumble.

                    He was shot to death by a cop who, according to the police themselves, had no idea Brown had been involved in anything.  Involvement in a little boosting from a store wouldn't justify murder anyway, but the cop didn't even know that much.  

                    You criticize the Ferguson police for fucking up, but they've succeeded brilliantly with you.  They knew that video and their accusations would play on the deeply embedded racist assumptions white people have about young black men.  And look, here you are, asking whether Brown was angelic enough to pass the test that young black men apparently have to pass just to make sure they don't get gunned down for no good reason.  

                    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                    by FogCityJohn on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:43:08 PM PDT

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  •  Just so sad..... (0+ / 0-)

    I've been reading through comments on other liberal sites and it looks like most of those commenters think this was justified.  Regardless of the fact the cop that shot him wasn't responding to the robbery.

    Since when is petty theft immediately punishable by death?

    I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws? Bill Maher

    by gtghawaii on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:32:24 PM PDT

  •  The video is very damaging (3+ / 0-)
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    in terms of public relations. The chief pulled off a very smart PR stunt. But the FBI investigators are not in the PR business. So the release seems desperate.

    I don't think he would've released the video that he surely knew was unrelated to the shooting if the feds were not breathing down his neck and asking very difficult questions about the shooting incident.

    My sense is that he does not like the line of questioning and where this seems to be going. All those shots are very difficult to explain away.

  •  Can we agree (1+ / 0-)
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    to stop calling it a "robbery?" It was misdemeanor petty theft. According to Missouri statute:

    569.020. 1. A person commits the crime of robbery in the first degree when he forcibly steals property and in the course thereof he, or another participant in the crime,

    (1) Causes serious physical injury to any person; or

    (2) Is armed with a deadly weapon; or

    (3) Uses or threatens the immediate use of a dangerous instrument against any person; or

    (4) Displays or threatens the use of what appears to be a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.

    2. Robbery in the first degree is a class A felony.

  •  There's a 10 minute video (0+ / 0-)

    at taken by one of the residents on the street where the body lay.

    The cops did a great job or stringing yellow tape but apparently did not allow EMS access to the victim.  There is no sign in that video of any attempt to care for or treat.  There is one person with a satchel of some sort who kneels by the body but does nothing.

    Also, though it is not a good close up image in the video, both it and a photo I saw today taken from the other side of the street that make look like Brown is wearing long pants.  

    The video of the shop confrontation the large guy is wearing shorts.  It would also be interesting to know why the shop owner is following the supposed cigar stealer from the back of the shop.  It's not theft till he walks out with mds. that is not paid for, and clearly some sort of confrontation is already occurring before the thief gets to the door to leave.
    What was that all about?

    •  I had the same question: (0+ / 0-)
      It's not theft till he walks out with mds. that is not paid for, and clearly some sort of confrontation is already occurring before the thief gets to the door to leave.
       What was that all about?
      It looked to me like there was some kind of argument between Brown and the shopkeeper well before the guys walked out of the door.

      It'll be interesting to hear what witnesses who were in the store have to say.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:46:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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