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Demonstrators attempt to stop masked individuals from entering a store that had been broken into, during on-going demonstrations to protest against the shooting of Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Missouri, August 16, 2014.  Protesters in Ferguson said late on
Demonstrators attempt to stop masked individuals from entering a store that had been broken into, during on-going demonstrations to protest against the shooting of Michael Brown
After a day of peaceful demonstrations, violence flared overnight in Ferguson, Missouri, six days after an unarmed teenager was gunned down by police for jaywalking.

According to early reports:

For most of Friday night, a festive atmosphere reigned in Ferguson as hundreds of people lined a two-block stretch of West Florissant Avenue, waving at honking cars slowly passing by, but shortly after midnight, the situation turned volatile as police showed up in riot gear.

Several dozen protesters stood in the middle of West Florissant Avenue screaming at a line of police vehicles about a block away when suddenly some of them broke away and began looting stores. [...]

Other protesters eventually lined up in front of the market, keeping looters from returning.

Obviously tensions are still running high in Ferguson, and who can blame them? After the guarded optimism that greeted the news that Ferguson and St. Louis County Police Departments were relieved of security command, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson wasted no time in launching a smear campaign against Michael Brown, first suggesting the shooter, Officer Darren Wilson, was attempting to apprehend a violent suspect in a convenience store robbery when he shot and killed Brown, before later admitting that:
... the officer who stopped Brown did not stop him in connection with the alleged robbery. Brown was stopped, Jackson says, "Because he was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it."
Yes, that was it. That and a dead, unarmed teenager, a corrupt police department, and the people of Ferguson being expected to rely on them to "Serve and Protect."


Originally posted to Barbara Morrill on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 03:56 AM PDT.

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  •  Great to see that many of the protesters... (35+ / 0-)

    stood in front of looted stores, not allowing anymore mischief.

    "Really nice, but also very serious about his job." Jackie Evancho on President Obama 6/7/12

    by BarackStarObama on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:06:14 AM PDT

    •  Temporarily, according to CNN (2+ / 0-)
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      johnny wurster, merrylib

      the residents eventually did step aside and allow the looters to enter.

      The White House comment line is 202-456-1111. We need a million-person call-in starting now. Tell them to stop the genocide in Gaza.

      by RJDixon74135 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:28:11 AM PDT

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    •  incredibly important and admirable (6+ / 0-)

      But the harm the looters are doing also has to be emphasized.  It's always wrong to violate the rights of others, but it's even more wrong to do it at this time.

      If you can't fight smart, you'll always lose.

      The basic issue here is human rights, and the basic pragmatic question, absurdly yet realistically, is whether young black men are so inherently violent that police, or self-appointed neighborhood watch vigilantes, should always get the benefit of the doubt when they kill unarmed young black men.

      I've posed that "basic pragmatic question" in language that makes it clear how ridiculous is it, but the Zimmerman jury effectively bought that argument.  It was a gender and ethnicity diverse jury.

      You can't have progress if you can't persuade.  And you don't persuade people by looting.

      Whether it's callously superficial but ultimately self-defeating opportunism, inability to control and channel strong emotions. or a combination of both, whatever is directly driving this looting is terribly self-defeating.

      Yes, it wouldn't be happening at all if it weren't for centuries of slavery, official segregation, unofficial segregation, ongoing racism, etc.  But using that to argue that it's inevitable or desirable would be incredibly fatalistic and cynical.

      •  Here, here! nt (0+ / 0-)

        I ride the wild horse .

        by BelgianBastard on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 07:39:29 AM PDT

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        •  Agreed, but your asking them to police themselves. (2+ / 0-)
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          They haven't seen good policing most of their lives, so it might take them a while to get it right.  I think they are doing well, under the circumstances.

          We are a nation that respects religious beliefs, but also the right not to have those beliefs imposed upon you by others...and we should therefore keep it out of other people’s business — and bedrooms. George Takei 7/1/14

          by Lipstick Liberal on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 11:41:43 AM PDT

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      •  democracy is messy (5+ / 0-)

        When the looting of Iraq was going on, it was shrugged off by Rumsfeld who said...."Yes, but democracy is messy."

        The US was too busy killing civilians and locking up people without any probable cause to protect the national museums and other government buildings from looters.

        Likewise, the Ferguson police were too busy persecuting those exercising their rights of free speech and assembly to stop the looting, which serves to muddy the waters of a cold-blooded murder and abuse of power.

        A people who have for over 300 years were treated as property, and who today, have only 5% the wealth of "whites," should not be lectured about "looting," which is a form of petty theft in the absence of legitimate police power to protect property.    This is not to defend looting but to put it in perspective, as a response, with historical echoes, to a murder based on racism.

        That said, it is also true that those who loot empower their oppressors with moral arguments.  

  •  Officer Wilson is like a ghost... (16+ / 0-)

    police keep saying this and that about him, but there is still NO PICTURE of this guy... and he's apparently hiding in an undisclosed location...

    "Really nice, but also very serious about his job." Jackie Evancho on President Obama 6/7/12

    by BarackStarObama on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:08:01 AM PDT

  •  There's been a long history of racial suffering (25+ / 0-)

    and violence in the area:  Ferguson, Missouri: Church leaders aim to help rebuild community trust

    “You could see how the tear gas was used, it permeated the whole area,” said Mithen-Daniely, rector of St. John’s Episcopal Church in Tower Grove near St. Louis.

    The shooting — and the level of police violence directed at the predominantly African American community in its aftermath — has re-opened old wounds and painfully exposed racial and economic divides in the suburban St. Louis community of about 21,000.

    The lingering effects of the spiritual violence of racial and economic justice “are not new to us; it’s something we’ve had to face for a long time,” added [Missouri Bishop Wayne] Smith, who in a statement on the diocesan website called upon all Episcopalians “especially those whose race or culture gives innate privilege, to look upon what has been laid bare, to pray about these things, humbly to learn from them, and to year and work for responses that would bring justice.”

    While traveling to Ferguson from Christ Church Cathedral in St. Louis for the Aug. 14 march Smith said: “I passed by Calvary Cemetery, where Dred Scott is buried, and I thought of that long and painful history that we’ve had with race relations here in St. Louis city and county.”

    During the march Smith said he “walked with a young man from Morehouse College who drove from Atlanta with Ruby Sales” who had been invited to speak at a local event.

    “He wanted to be involved with conflict resolution in St. Louis and asked for my contact information,” Smith said. “I mentioned to him that yesterday was the feast of Jonathan Daniels” the Episcopal seminarian who died when he pushed Sales out of the way of a shotgun blast during the 1965 civil rights Freedom Summer in Hayneville, Alabama.

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:21:08 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps it's time (47+ / 0-)

    for Ferguson police chief Jackson to be relieved of his duties. The stunts yesterday undermined the goodwill Capt. Johnson had gained after taking over the situation on Thursday - not sure who pulled those strings, but what a disaster. Sad to see the atmosphere deteriorated.

  •  This is upsetting. (28+ / 0-)

    All credit to those who tried to stop the looters, but this still looks bad. And I very much blame the looters. Public opinion seemed to be on the side of the protesters, and so were powerful people in the government (including the governor and POTUS), and a good law enforcement office is in charge.

    And some people still took the bait provided by the Ferguson sheriff.

    This will hurt their cause. I only hope the community and the State Patrol can regroup and make sure things get back on track. They've lost a lot of ground in the last hours that they had gained in the previous day.

    Human nature sucks.

  •  Jackson is an Idiot (10+ / 0-)

    But we might want to lean a little less forward, if you listen to the audio starting at about 6:00 here the guy's explanation of the shooting sounds remarkably like the cop's "friend's" version, including "doubled back" and "coming back towards him". And this was Posted before the cop's "version" came out.

    I don't know what happened, I wasn't there, but I don't think it was as simple as a racist cop killed an innocent kid.

    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    by The Baculum King on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:31:48 AM PDT

    •  Can Any of Our Technical Gurus (2+ / 0-)
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      Clean up the audio on that video?

      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

      by The Baculum King on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:45:58 AM PDT

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    •  I think, unfortunately, that you may be right. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Is the street an apartment complex cul-de-sac ? (1+ / 0-)
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      From this video, the street looks like a cul-de-sac (dead end ) of an apartment complex.

      And if so, the cop got his panties in a bind over kids walking in the middle of a dead end street? News flash, kids do that all the time on cul-de-sacs. It's not like a busy city street where they'd be blocking  lots of traffic.

      Just another data point about the cop that doesn't add up.

      No longer Hoping for Change. Now Praying for a Miracle.

      by CitizenOfEarth on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:28:40 AM PDT

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    •  I heard that too, but it's not clear (2+ / 0-)
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      (assuming he really did double back) what his motive might have been. Seems to me that an unarmed guy would not be likely to turn back in the belief that he could somehow overpower a cop with a gun who was shooting at him.

      It's more believable IMO that he would double back in an attempt to surrender- especially since every witness says he had his hands in the air.

      •  I DO NOT KNOW NOR CLAIM TO (4+ / 0-)

        But I'd wager 75% of the "witnesses" weren't within 3 blocks or outside when it happened. The forensic evidence will be vastly more informative than folks repeating what they heard.

        I am ALWAYS immediately suspicious when EVERY witness to ANYTHING tells EXACTLY the same version. It's unnatural.

        Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

        by The Baculum King on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 06:22:03 AM PDT

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        •  Talk to four witnesses (1+ / 0-)
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          and you should get about six different versions of the story. That's par for the course. Most will be close to the same but exactly? Not likely.

        •  Well as far as I know, (8+ / 0-)

          three witnesses have gone on the record. One early on who was on her balcony overlooking the shooting. One, of course, is Brown's friend who was with him when it happened. And the third was the woman who was picking up an employee when the incident began. She was interviewed by Lawtence O'Donnell the other night. So one of them knew Brown, two did not.

          The three witnesses were all outside and watched the incident, according to their own account. They were not "repeating what they heard".

          I don't know if their accounts are identical in every respect, but they all said Brown had his hands in the air.

          Now you can of course question the veracity of anything, including these witness reports. The way I see it, all of them saying his hands were in the air suggests that he actually did have his hands in the air. YMMV.

        •   by The Baculum King (4+ / 0-)
          But I'd wager 75%

           It's unnatural.

          75% of your comment is unnatural

          Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

          by Patango on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 06:53:38 AM PDT

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        •  Well, uncomfortable facts: (0+ / 0-)

          Tiffany Mitchell pulled out her phone as soon as she heard the first gun shot.

          Phone. Like video. She says she was about 20 feet away in her car because she was picking up a friend.

          All she really has to do in her testimony is authenticate the video. But her testimony is going to match her video. Of course it is.

          The reliability of eyewitnesses on small details is often abysmal. But

          Uncomfortable fact #2

          ... a study by Yuille and Cutshall (1986) contradicts the importance of stress in influencing eyewitness memory.

          They showed that witnesses of a real life incident (a gun shooting outside a gun shop in Canada) had remarkable accurate memories of a stressful event involving weapons. A thief stole guns and money, but was shot six times and died.

           Could any of these witnesses identify Wilson in a line up? Hard to say.

          But there were shots. Then more shots. When that happens, people look at the gun (and assuming they're safe), who is being shot.  Even here the role of race might be misunderstood. A black person watching another black person being shot by police might be more acutely aware than the average witness.  (I couldn't find research on this).

          But we have video to collaborate. Or not.

          We don't need your statistics pulled out from..  Uh ... Thin air.

          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 07:59:33 AM PDT

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          •  Corroborate. Colloborate (2+ / 0-)
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            Spellcheck is confused.

            © grover

            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:04:49 AM PDT

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          •  So Where's the Video? (0+ / 0-)

            If there's video that'll clear things right up.

            Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

            by The Baculum King on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:13:04 AM PDT

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            •  Oh wow. You're right. (0+ / 0-)

              What's up with that? I wonder why they didn't release evidence in a potential murder case to the public already...?

              Because it's EVIDENCE in a MURDER case.

              Dorian Johnson is being protected in a federal safe house.

              Should they provide that address to the public too?

              Your right to know supersedes everything.

              There is a difference from reasonable transparency  (for example, timely disclosure of the name of a public servant who discharged his weapon in the course and scope of his employment) and polluting the jury pool. There has been too little of the former and too much of the latter already.

              © grover

              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:35:35 AM PDT

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              •  Grover- I don't actually think (2+ / 0-)
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                that she managed to get video. As I remember her interview, she pulled over intending to grab her phone and record whatever was happening, but that was at the point where Brown broke away from the struggle at the car window. I don't know how quickly the shots were fired after that, but I don't think she had time to film it.
                I wish there were video and I'd be happy to be corrected.

                •  Ok. Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Msnbc said there is video. It's not the first time the news media has been wrong.

                  I guess we'll see where this goes.

                  The Ferguson PD didn't interview Johnson for days. (Why interview the guy who was on the street when someone was killed? What a strange concept, huh?)

                   The FBI did.  (Well, them and Reverend Al)

                   So we really don't have a clear picture of everything yet.

                  © grover

                  So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                  by grover on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 12:15:32 PM PDT

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                  •  Her testimony (0+ / 0-)

                    IIRC, reflects the fact that she abandoned the video in favor of getting the hell out of there.

                    You see, there are still faint glimmers of civilization left in this barbaric slaughterhouse that was once known as humanity. Indeed that's what we provide in our own modest, humble, insignificant... oh, fuck it. -- M. Gustave

                    by Eagles92 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:36:35 PM PDT

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  •  False flag operation? (10+ / 0-)

    There's reasonable speculation that it's all a setup, here and here.

    Corroborating evidence includes, police standing by doing nothing, the original site of the robbery was one of the stores that was targeted, perpetrators wearing masks (who exactly were they?), perpetrators seemingly all pulled up in the same car together, single tear gas deployment with no followup or arrests, perpetrators "threatening people".

    Every day, I get up and pray to Jah . . take the skinheads bowling . . take them bowling . .

    by thenekkidtruth on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:34:30 AM PDT

  •  Day 7 - Still No Autopsy results (6+ / 0-)

    It's looking like somebody is trying to hide something.

    But yeah, the kid might have stole a cigar, sooo...

    No longer Hoping for Change. Now Praying for a Miracle.

    by CitizenOfEarth on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 04:47:51 AM PDT

    •  As long as we're wildly speculating.... (3+ / 0-)
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      I have a feeling the autopsy results may show that (a) he was shot a whole lot of times, possibly some of them in the back, and (b) that he had drugs in his system.

      They would know (a) almost immediately, but (b) would take a while. And I don't think they want to release (a) alone, because it would make them look bad, and (b) would, in their minds, tend to justify the officer's actions.

      •  Unless the drug is THC which we all know makes ... (4+ / 0-)

        Unless the drug is THC which we all know makes people violence-prone. /snark

      •  Yes, that's my guess too (3+ / 0-)
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        4 shots in the back, 4 in the chest is not going to support their (cop's) story. They have to cook up the right story before they release the evidence. Evidence that they can't fix.

        No longer Hoping for Change. Now Praying for a Miracle.

        by CitizenOfEarth on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:36:57 AM PDT

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        •  There has been another autopsy (6+ / 0-)
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          The family did a separate autopsy, so they and their lawyer know a lot more now than they did before. I'm wondering when, why and what info will be released.

        •  The Pictures I've Seen (1+ / 0-)
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          Don't show any sign of damage or blood on the back of his shirt, but they were poor quality and from some distance.

          If the family has evidence from the separate autopsy of shots in the back they should release it.

          Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

          by The Baculum King on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 06:12:11 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, (2+ / 0-)
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            but they were poor quality and from some distance.
            So if the photos are , based on what you know, unreliable, why would you make any sort of judgement off them?

            You're willing to dismiss testimony of people at the scene but willing to go out on a limb about what you think you saw in poor quality photos.

            All humans filter evidence based on life experience to some degree or other; but wow, your filter is fascinating and you seem completely unaware of it.  

            © grover

            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:13:53 AM PDT

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  •  Chief Jackson can't keep his stories straight... (6+ / 0-)

    Press Conference August 16, 2014 Ferguson Police Chief Jackson gets tangled up in his own deceptions concerning the shooting of Brown explaining the video of the store robbery had nothing at all to do with the officer’s stopping of Brown. The stop was instigated because Brown was walking in the street blocking traffic. He (the officer) didn't even know about the robbery when he stopped Brown. Minutes later, Jackson offered another explanation that the officer saw Brown carrying cigars and thought he might be the robbery suspect.

    Any wonder why people don’t trust the Ferguson police? Jackson either lied and is formulating a typical and all too predictable cover-up of police wrong-doing or he is too incompetent to be a cop, much less a police chief.

    Faith, like car keys, can be misplaced. In the absence of fact, Faith is nothing more than silly fantasy and wishful thinking.

    by Cannedheat on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:00:05 AM PDT

  •  I'd really like to see more "community" policing (5+ / 0-)

    going forward. Less white cops who cant or wont identify with the residents. And more police that cant be labeled as racist outsiders when they have to police these neighborhoods.

     I can see Ferguson is ALOT like the North side of Minneapolis, the burnt out poverty stricken area of the city where many of people talk a good game about how damn nice and progressive  all the residents are, and how the vast majority of the large minority population are peace-loving and law abiding,  but nobody wants to hang out at night.

    Many urban areas that are high crime have two features that go hand in hand:

    The mentality of the type of police officer willing to "police" a high crime neighborhood they don't belong to and know in advance their mere presence is antagonistic to most of that community (gets discussed when somebody dies and its a non-black cop doing the killing), and one doesn't get brought up but is part of the very fabric that exists every single day in these neighborhoods:

    The fact that the community that exists is willing to tolerate a certain level of lawlessness as part of "us being us", and "my father/mother/son/daughter isnt really a criminal except for that y'know, Criminal shit they do-but its really not like them" mentality. Frankly its how Bundy got away with his little stunt in Nevada.

    But I think its a far bigger issue in the inner city, precisely because it sets the table for the George Zimmerman types of the world to walk around in camo (better to hide the erection with it), and control people, because frankly no one else there wants to step up and do it.

    It could be Ferguson, it could be Chicago, it could be NYC. We rage and protest (and sometimes loot), when a white cop kills. But when its just another young black person behind the gun, its private anguish but no or very limited and short lived outrage. When its petty theft, vandalism, domestic violence, sexual abuse or hard drug abuse (including alcohol and tobacco), its part of the everyday struggle, and neighbors rarely call each other on it.

    Tolerate crime then bring in gung-ho non-community police to deal with it. The two groups that are emboldened and natural enemies of each other, are naturally going to have to "do something" soon enough.

  •  I'm surprised there wasn't more looting than has (16+ / 0-)

    happened.  I've been watching live feed from a St. Louis news station.  Yes, there was looting that started around 1:30 this morning...ten minutes of it.  It stopped and an hour later started again.  A USA Today photographer was inside Ferguson Market taping & taking pics...she didn't feel threatened and it wasn't crowded inside.

    Police were present to the side, but didn't take any action.  Who knows who they're responsible to....Chief Jackson,  Chief Incompetent Stir Crap Up?  Most of them had beige uniforms and most of them were white.

    There were people around, but not hoards, looked to be teenagers.  Some of them were trying to prevent looters from breaking into shops.

    Turns out the Ferguson Market owner or workers did NOT call 911 a week ago (it was apparently another customer).  The surveillance tape was demanded by the police...the market people did NOT want to make an issue of things.  I wonder exactly WHEN the police got hold of that tape?

    What a mess.  Any fool could predict that releasing the tape Friday, at the same time as finally identifying the killer's name, would incite trouble.  The impression (purely my own from watching) I have is that the line of police standing aside, just watching the looters, had an attitude of "neener, neener"... as in, OK...see?  We're not causing any trouble are we?

    I'm just a white lady sitting in a rural town in southern Indiana...about the size of Ferguson. This string of events happening to Ferguson is infuriating me.  It could and SHOULD HAVE never happened.  So easily avoided but for the homicidal decision of one man and his big back-up teams of bullies.

    "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

    by 417els on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:06:55 AM PDT

    •  Yup...that's been my prognosis (5+ / 0-)

      as another outsider-observing white woman from Tampa Bay.  

      •  Nonetheless... (0+ / 0-)

        I would hate to be one of the people who had their business burned down.  
        It's hard to say what the police should do when looting starts to happen.  Just let it happen?

        •  Were any businesses burned down? (1+ / 0-)
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          I know a few were broken into and looted.  And, of course, that is NOT acceptable.  At the same time, the  Ferguson Police Chief has done NOTHING but  bait that community to react with violence.  More and more I'm surprised and impressed that the residents of Ferguson have been able to resist playing into his nasty racist hands.

          Chief Jackson set the mark on Ferguson Market...when he released the surveillance tape one naturally assumed the owners or employees had called 911 and offered him the tape.  In fact, they did not (it was another customer who called 911) and didn't want to make an issue of this shoplifting event. The police demanded they turn over the tape.

          If my business were destroyed I would be livid.  A local police department that had only two modes...assault and kill vs stand around watching crimes being committed...would absolutely infuriate me.    

          "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

          by 417els on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 07:36:29 AM PDT

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          •  Wasn't the highway patrol in charge of security (0+ / 0-)

            when the looting happened?

            I thought the Ferguson PD was relieved of duty by Nixon.

            Seems like this looting is on Nixon and the Highway Patrol - it was their responsibility to keep order and protect law abiding citizens

  •  Thomas Jackson sure seems bent (11+ / 0-)

    Thomas Jackson sure seems bent in inciting the citizens to violence, does he not? This guy should have been fired days ago and if Nixon has the power, then there's no excuse for not doing so.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:07:12 AM PDT

    •  In the same week we saw Jackson's cops: (4+ / 0-)
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      1) shoot and kill an unarmed teen with his hands in the air

      2) brutalize and tear gas peaceful protestors and reporters

      3) deliberately target reporters who were merely filming the public actions of the police

      3) Stand idly by last night while a store was looted.

      Somebody ought to begin processing Jackson's termination papers Monday at 8:00.

      You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

      by Sam I Am on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:44:50 AM PDT

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  •  Looters generally aren't protesters (8+ / 0-)

    The protesters are expressing their anger, as they have the constitutional right to do.

    The looters are just breaking the law.  Breaking into some stranger's store and stealing stuff is not a form of protest, it's just looting.  Doubly so in a place like Ferguson, where many of the stores are likely owned by African Americans.

    The challenge for law enforcement, which hopefully the MO Highway Patrol is up to, is to selectively arrest looters without impacting the peaceful protesters.  The Ferguson PD is clearly not capable of making the distinction.

  •  betcha reports will focus on the looting and NOT (4+ / 0-)

    on the protecting

    because stoking white fears sells

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:58:42 AM PDT

    •  Have a friend who is white who used to live there (2+ / 0-)
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      she was really concerned about what happened in Ferguson but I don't even thinks she realized that the way she was talking about it was full of nascent racism. She said Ferguson used to be a beautiful city but that she started to feel uncomfortable about 10 -15 years ago there and moved.  That was the time that Ferguson started to change as far as it's racial makeup.  Gee...I wonder what made you feel uncomfortable?  She keeps focusing on the looters and how the thugs need to stop and can't even see past that to overreaction of the police and the fact that there are peaceful protests going on and it's not all riots and looters.

      And nevermind about the stoking the flames that Chief Idiot Jackson did by releasing the smear video. I think she feels that justifies the whole thing.

      Why yes there is a war on women and minorities.

      by karma5230 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 06:57:28 AM PDT

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      •  One of my parents (3+ / 0-)
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        grew up in Ferguson, my family lives in the white burbs there, and I've been hearing the exact same response from them - lumping the looters with the protesters and dismissing the whole thing. Shifting the blame to the victims, and thus avoiding any concern for the current or underlying issues.

        It is a subtle but insidious racism that rolls easily off the tongues of St. Louisans, and always has since I was growing up there.

        They all may live in St. Louis, but the whites and the blacks live in entirely different cities. There is a near complete segregation both physically and mentally, and those in the burbs have very little actual interaction, no connection or association with those "in the city" (it's a St. Louis code word). Yet they are still obsessed with complaining about how bad "they" are, how "they" ruin the areas they move into, how "they" shoot each other but no one protests that.

        After visiting St. Louis, my spouse picked up an often repeated St. Louis phrase and created a running joke about St. Louisans, where mid-sentence you partially cover your mouth and whisper "cuz you know, 'the blacks.'" It's obviously not very funny anymore, to see how widespread and deep that sentiment actually lies with white St. Louis.

        •  Third hand (2+ / 0-)
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          but in high school I worked with a boy whose family was from St. Louis.  He was not exactly liberal in his views on racial issues.  He went to college in Missouri and when I saw him again a couple years later he was a full on racist, using the n-word and calling Dr. King all sorts of names. That's always stayed with me and colored my view of St. Louis.

          •  While that obviously doesn't (0+ / 0-)

            apply to everyone there, it was a very common occurrence, in a wide variety of situations, in my youth in St. Louis.  There is this strange obsession to talk negatively about "the Blacks" (as they say there), even though one is safely ensconced in their white suburb at almost all times (until they head into The City for a ballgame.)

    •  Is that why Kos is reporting just the protecting (0+ / 0-)

      and not the looting? 'cause nobody will focus on the protecting?

      I have to say, this is yet another news story where more people are interested in their opinions on an issue than they are the actual issue itself.

      "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

      by jwalker13 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:25:26 AM PDT

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      •  Not because everyone else will focus on the (1+ / 0-)
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        looting ... god forbid they focus  another side of this story

        why be redundant ... DK isn't the only place I get my news

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        by Clytemnestra on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:51:36 AM PDT

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        •  Gawker is also focusing on the protection. (0+ / 0-)

          So is HuffingtonPost, some FOX News stories, Twitchy, and others.

          So the assertion is patently incorrect that news outlets are not willing to focus on those protecting their community. Is there a reason you continue pushing this theory that nobody is willing to focus on the part you want them to focus on?

          "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

          by jwalker13 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 02:24:29 PM PDT

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      •  So write a diary... (3+ / 0-)

        Feel free to do so if you feel that it is being ignored.

        Why yes there is a war on women and minorities.

        by karma5230 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 10:09:57 AM PDT

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        •  It would be a gigantic waste of time. (0+ / 0-)

          The focus right now is on opinions, conspiracy theories, and emotional reactions. Very few people care about the facts of the case. They already have the facts they want to suit their opinions.

          Most right now are merely looking to confirm their opinions, and there are few people willing to change their opinion based on facts.

          Maybe there will be time for reason, logic, and facts later. Right now? Emotions rule the discussion.

          "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

          by jwalker13 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 02:34:30 PM PDT

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  •  This is what racism does our country (4+ / 0-)

    The cops hate the people.

    The people hate the cops.

    Light skinned people are afraid of dark skinned people.

    Some think dark skinned people are poor because they are sub-standard.

    Some think light skinned people are superior because they are harder workers.

    The further that we push groups of people apart the harder it is to get them to tolerate each other.

    The racism has to stop.

    Racism is total bullshit and THAT has been known that for years.


  •  Great interview on Steve Konacki just now (3+ / 0-)
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    A civil rights attorney who grew up in Ferguson during the 60s and 70s and moved back there after law school points out that Ferguson has been an integrated community for decades.  There were no problems there until the last few years.

    I can vouch for that, our high schools were in the same sports conference and many of my college friends were from there. There was no friction, fights or racism. Ferguson had, and still has, a great school system where kids graduated and went on to college and careers or well paying tech and manufacturing (union) jobs that used to be plentiful.

    The attorney pointed out that something has happened in the last few years to bring about these problems. Race wars are atypical here. But the loss of good jobs overseas, wage suppression, lost economic opportunities and an increasingly hostile police department have taken their toll.

    When the civil rights movement of the 60s integrated communites and schols like Ferguson, Bridgeton, Normandy, etc everyone adapted, thanks to good leaders in the communities and schools. How that unraveled in recent years is complex, but likely the result of loss of good jobs and economic opportunities.

    Ill post the interview when it becomes available.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 07:00:04 AM PDT

  •  Oops *Kornacki nt (0+ / 0-)

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 07:00:49 AM PDT

  •  In the name of humanity stop the "false flag" crap (6+ / 0-)

    What's even worse than exploiting a community crisis provoked by the police shooting of an unarmed young black man, to loot a liquor store?

    Coming up with a crazy conspiracy theory that it's actually the CIA looting the liquor store, that's what.  (Okay, it's not as bad as looting but it's still bad.)

    Because lord help us, even in the highly unlikely event that you're right and that it's later revealed that FBI agents started the looting or some such thing, right now you just look desperate to make excuses, and a little too much like Charlie Sheen on a bad day, by pushing that stuff.

    In the name of humanity STOP doing that.

    The shooting was wrong.  The looting is wrong.  At least that looters have the lame excuse that they actually are living in an impoverished community, subjected to discrimination and injustice, due to hundreds of years of unspeakably unjust history.  They're still human beings with brains and should still know better, but one could say that this is something of mitigating factor.

    The conspiracy theory stuff is just worthless, and serves only to make those who protest the shooting look bad by association.  

  •  African-Americans are (0+ / 0-)

    only destroying their own community and hurting their own cause with this violence. Like I tell my son: anger is appropriate, violence is not.

    •  There's nothing more attractive than smug (8+ / 0-)

      armchair psychologists.

      Congratulations for not understanding anything at all.

      ...wispy longings for a time before Elvis and the Beatles, back when "a girl could cook and still would". You know before the troubles.~Hunter.

      by denig on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:00:59 AM PDT

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    •  Read your comment out loud. (2+ / 0-)
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      BelgianBastard, howabout

      Do you see what made my hair stand up?  

      •  NO, I think violence is inappropriate. (0+ / 0-)

        Under what circumstances to liberals think violence is APPROPRIATE????

        •  Not the comment on violence (3+ / 0-)
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          BelgianBastard, drmah, HCKAD

          the beginning.  

          African-Americans are only destroying their own community and hurting their own cause with this violence.
          I find it racist that you don't say, 'The people of Freguson' or just 'people' but you have to say, 'African-Americans' as though people of other races never commit this particular crime.  I'm sure you didn't intend it to be racist, but it is a kind of unconscious racism that is all too prevalent in the US.
          •  I'm sorry. (0+ / 0-)

            This is an Asian community? Hispanic? Jewish?

            I find your standards of 'racism' bizarre.

            I don't really care what race the residents of Ferguson are. But since YOU brought it up, the vast majority of them happen to be African-American.

            I support their cause. Shootings have been happening for years. It's the 21st century version of lynching.

            Nor do I care whether this kid was an angel or a devil. All I care about are the facts of this case. Which will come out after investigation. Until such time, I reserve judgment (that whole inconvenient Constitutional innocent till proven guilty thing). It's very, very likely this was a racially motivated act given the PD's history. But not yet proven. And yes, it's way past time to hold police to account.

            BUT throwing Molotov cocktails and smashing windows and stealing aren't justified. If MLK had reacted to the firehoses, dogs and beatings that way, he never would have succeeded.

            So put your racism pea-shooters back in their holsters, kiddo.

          •  BTW... (0+ / 0-)

            Poor Jewish people, or poor Hispanic people, or poor Asian people would react to this exactly the same as the people of Ferguson are.

        •  When the system has broken down and is rigged a... (2+ / 0-)
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          RadGal70, peptabysmal

          When the system has broken down and is rigged against you, and you feel there is no other option available, violence can be a legit option. It beats sitting back and continuing to allow justice and opportunity to be denied.

          I just wish they'd take it out on the people who caused the problem, which aren't the shop owners in Ferguson.

          •  Don't Tea Partiers also say that???? (0+ / 0-)
            •  Read this article, please. (1+ / 0-)
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              It is a clear explanation of white privilege and how it works to color our perception.


              Then try to understand why your comment was offensive.

              •  Oh, please. (0+ / 1-)
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                Quit whining.

                There is a difference between racism and stating facts. If you don't like facts, go live on another planet. It's as bad as the stupid shit I read from right-wingers.

                •  I'm sorry I made you feel so defensive (3+ / 0-)
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                  BelgianBastard, denig, howabout

                  it was not my intention; I have been where you are and had the same reaction.  It's hard to admit something in ourselves that we despise in others.  Please do read the article - it is enlightening.

                  •  If you want to burdem yourself (0+ / 0-)

                    with white guilt, go ahead. I don't subscribe to his "I am white, therefore by virtue of my existence I oppress" argument.

                    •  That's not what white privilege is about althou... (0+ / 0-)

                      That's not what white privilege is about although many on the right hope that's what people think. Here's my best example of white privilege: when you a play a video game most allow you to set the level of difficulty for the game. Being a white heterosexual male is the easy setting for life. It doesn't guarantee automatic success but it certainly helps quite a bit and usually most people don't acknowledge that help because they would have to acknowledge not everybody had all the bonuses of being a white heterosexual male. Now imagine you're a black woman with three kids and no father figures around. That person has the super difficult setting for their life. All the free passes and slide bys that would be afforded to you are not given to her. She too can succeed in life but the obstacles to winning are far more numerous and difficult. Not seeing how you were given such easy treatment skating through life is what white privilege is all about. It's the "I did it, so why can't they pull themselves up and do it too?" that so many white people believe that makes it all the more difficult for non-whites to succeed in America. White privilege doesn't mean by the simple fact that you are white and therefore responsible for keeping non-whites down just by existing is the version the right sells so white people don't have to bother examining the complex nature of racial disparities in America. Once again you are being offered the easy setting in life because to do otherwise will make you all to aware of how being white places you at an advantage in life. So keep your life setting on easy and keep assuming all lives are also on the easy setting, all they need to do is work hard and don't break the laws. That's not so difficult to do is it? Especially when you have a police force that is more like a para-military branch of the KKK, keeping all those people in line and too frightened to demand their piece of the American Dream. Ignorance is what white privilege is all about. Aren't you glad you didn't read the link?

    •  Fuck that. (5+ / 0-)
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      drmah, RadGal70, Debby, denig, AmazingBlaise

      You managed to say something that might - might - be reasonable in a way that is totally offensive and reeks of ignorance. I'll give you some advice: you should probably shut the fuck up.

      I ride the wild horse .

      by BelgianBastard on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 09:02:26 AM PDT

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  •  What a clusterf*ck. (1+ / 0-)
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    I feel so sorry for the residents there.

  •  BTW (10+ / 0-)

    Has any article  / reporter / news report commented on the fact that the Ferguson police chief kept holding "press conferences" in front of the one burned building?

    I would have assumed that was a not-so-subtle messaging effort, an insidious tone and agenda setting technique, but Police Chief Flop Sweat has repeatedly demonstrated that he is incapable of that level of thought.

  •  What can the Feds do? (0+ / 0-)

    The DOJ is investigating, will report to the president, and this result is possible, what happened in Seattle:
    DOJ website,

    On March 31, 2011, we opened an investigation of the Seattle Police Department (SPD) pursuant to the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Following a comprehensive investigation, on December 16, 2011, we announced our findings. We found that SPD has engaged in a pattern or practice of excessive force that violates the Constitution and federal law.

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:38:52 AM PDT

  •  excessive force violates federal law (1+ / 0-)
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    again: … a pattern or practice of excessive force that violates the Constitution and federal law

    President Obama:

    There is never an excuse for violence against police, or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting.  

    There’s also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protestors in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights.  

    And here, in the United States of America, police should not be bullying or arresting journalists who are just trying to do their jobs and report to the American people on what they see on the ground.

    We produce more renewable energy than any other state - WA Gov. Jay Inslee

    by mrobinson on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:46:03 AM PDT

  •  The looting and beating of innocent bystanders (0+ / 0-)

    is what soured the public after the legitimate upset after the first Rodney King verdict. Video of wholesale looting of supermarkets, home depots, etc. with hundreds fleeing parking lots with television sets, tools, groceries, etc.  At one point, there was a "traffic jam of looters" leaving a parking lot. Cars were colliding while fleeing. That kind of crap sickened me because I knew the media and disgusted whites would concentrate on it and lose the idea of what precipitated the unrest in the first place: the brutal, animalistic treatment of a black motorist.

    Hopefully this will calm down enough to start getting some real work done on racism and justice and police issues throughout the country.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 08:51:20 AM PDT

  •  Video from Ferguson last night... (1+ / 0-)
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    showed what looked like a festival. Lots of animated antics, with nothing resembling a protest. I even saw a community cookout at the scene of White's shooting. Apparently, some of these revelers morphed into looters as the evening wore on. I don't see a sense of sadness, or anger. Just an opportunity.
     I'm way left of center, but the more I see out of Ferguson the less I think of these "protesters." Liberals, take a real good, honest look here. Are you sure you want to defend what you're seeing?

    •  I view the celebratory tone (0+ / 0-)

      since the night of the violent police response as a reaction to being able to continue protesting and keep the story alive in the media.  Everyone knows that it will be impossible to sweep this under the rug with the eyes of the nation on Ferguson.  I'd be hesitant to read a lack of sincerity into any of that.

      As for the looters, I think it would be unfair to write off the whole protest as a cover for criminal activity because of the actions of a few.  Let's not forget the protesters out there last night trying to police the crowd themselves to protect local businesses.

      •  I guess that's one way to look at it... (0+ / 0-)

        Personally, I don't see any reason to celebrate. What happened was tragic. A festival type atmosphere makes one wonder how truly upset they are about this.
        I saw those who were trying to protect those stores from looters, noble indeed.  I know looters are in the minority, and those who are sincerre understand it hurts the message they're trying to send.

        •  My take (0+ / 0-)

          Is that they have spent days protesting, they have spent days angry, they were literally occupied by a (military) police force, they have watched their community be looted. The occupation changed, and the community is likely quite happy about the change of tone, quite relieved, and maybe feel a bit of community success over that change. As well as pride in the sustained protests that have grabbed the nation's attention.

          A lot of people came together as a community in this fight, and they are now celebrating as a community. It made me happy to see that. Perhaps taking a well deserved, momentary break from the "fighting." The fact that they are celebrating seems quite natural to me at this point in the ordeal. And a healthy thing to do at this point, as they are going to be fighting this for the long run. I thought it was great.

          And a big F U to Fox and those who are likely framing it in a very different way.

  •  Racism is alive and well (1+ / 0-)
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    At other "conservative" websites, such as wnd and towfnhall, the racists are out  with their lies.

    When informed of 3 eyewitnesses to the murder, they respond that all are "negroes" involved in the robbery and cannot be trusted, because they are biased.

    The video of the petty theft of cigars and the plushing of an employee is described as "beating the employee up."

    Like Trayvon Martin, who had no arrest record, Michael Brown is described as a thug, thus justifying murdering him for "robbery."  When informed that the Chief of Police has stated that the cop who murdered Brown was not aware of the robbery, the right wingers say things like "Wait until the clerk at the robbed store testifies."

    Testifies in what?.....a trail for petty theft in which a  dead teenager is prosecuted?  A trial for jaywalking by a murdered youth?  Racism IS a brain disease.

    My overall impression is that each murder of a black youth which receives public attention  motivates the most ugly racists to come out defending murder by smearing black youths with the most ugly (and if they were not dangerous) laughable assertions.  ONe poster at WND said "All negroes should be shot."   The website allows such incitements to violence  and thus is complicit in the racist views of most of its readers.

    This case is bringing to the fore the militarization of the police, which both independent left and right citizens oppose.  

    Freedom cannot survive a militarized police, motivated with fear of free speech and assembly and biased against minorities.  It's time to revolt!

  •  murder vs petty theft (1+ / 0-)
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    When property rights trump human rights, we have the dictatorship of the propertied (ie the rich).

    Here is an example from another KOS article on how the Ferguson police understand property rights.

    "“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.
    To make matters worse, they had the wrong man.
    The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. "

    When the police are motivated by racism, the county is a racist police state, or apartheid.   Lack of equality and consent of the governed are the founding values of this nation, used to justify the right of revolt against the British.

    Inequality in America, based on both race and class, has led to a 3d world nation, with a very rich upper class which runs things and a growing underclass trapped in poverty.  None of our branches of government are chosen through democratic means.  21 low population states can, in the Senate block the will of the vast majority through 42 Senate votes being able to defeat up to 59.

    21 states (sparse population and conservative), with fewer citizens than California,  have 42 Senators to Cali's 2.   In the 2000 Election, the  Presidential candidate with the least votes was  seated.  In the 2012 election, the Dems got 1 million more House votes but the Repubs, through gerrymandering, got 2/3 of the seats.  The SC is not elected and no Justice has ever been removed from office.  

    Lack of equality and perversion of the consent of the governed to mean consent of the minority justifies the right of revolution.   When the oppressed arm themselves and fight back, they will be called terrorists, just as the Founding Fathers were smeared as traitors and criminals.  

    I am a follower of DR. King's non-violent resistance movement, but I am pointing out that based on the principles of the Declaration of Independence (and Gandhii's inclusion of armed resistance as a preferable alternative to surrender) armed revolution of oppressed populations (which is actually most of us) is justified.

    I do not mean the psychopaths who showed up to defend thief Bundy but the tens of millions of people who suffer from racism, bigotry, and oppression.

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible (by militarizing the police, and perverting democratic elections) make violent revolution inevitable." said our martyred JFK.

  •  There is a phrase (1+ / 0-)
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    one constantly hears from St. Louisans:

    "Its a great place to raise a family!"

    Seems there may be some caveats to that...

  •  Photo & story breaking now 10:20 PDT 2:20 EDT (0+ / 0-)

              a tweet:    Ryan J. Reilly  @ryanjreilly
    #Ferguson Shop Owner 'Overwhelmed' By Community Support After Looting --- Nice photo here! scroll down to see it.

              Ryan's HuffPo story here.

  •  Ferguson isn't going to cool down suddenly. (1+ / 0-)
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    The disturbances have been too strong and have lasted too long.
    I hope all the citizens will loin the business owners; once opportunism takes over, the instability always increases.

    Right many are called, and damn few are chosen.

    by Idaho07 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 02:45:21 PM PDT

  •  Who? (0+ / 0-)

    Who is going to protect the citizens of Ferguson? They are being occupied by a terrorist army that's going to take it's vengeance on them as soon as the media gets bored and stops watching them.

  •  Americans are not going to be treated like (0+ / 0-)

    we are not Americans and can be dealt with in full battle gear like we are in Iraq or something.  The militarization of the police after 911 is now deployed against Americans who seek redress of grievances instead of terrorists and the Right Wing is barely audible in this struggle, why?  Because it is ok to oppress  poor people and the Black community.  Racism in the name of public order is not acceptable.  An 18 year old teen is dead in Ferguson, MO.  and it will not be right in America again until this matter and the wellfare of Blackmen and boys are just as important as the rest of the population of the country.

  •  Would it be totally cynical (0+ / 0-)

    and conspiracy-minded of me to suspect that there's some ratf***ing going on here?

    Plan A:  Character assassination of Michael Brown with that strategically released footage of (someone, not sure who) stealing cigars.  If that doesn't work, then:

    Plan B:  Send in a black bag team to loot a store, and hope blame attaches to the citizens.

    Plan C will be to discredit Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson.

    “If you want to do something evil, put it inside something boring." -- John Oliver

    by jim304 on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 05:09:18 PM PDT

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