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  •  You captured the madness perfectly save one (13+ / 0-)

    thing at the very end. You know the Pentagon won't ask for any of this stuff back, they'll just buy all new shiny stuff and blow up some people with it.

    GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 02:55:24 PM PDT

    •  "The essential act of war is destruction ... (6+ / 0-)
      not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:14:18 PM PDT

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    •  Save for a few facts (1+ / 0-)
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      LaBellaFarnese

      Such as DHS giving grants for police departments to tool up, but the police departments largely avoided military surplus.
      They went out and bought brand new weapons and armored vehicles.
      Today, nearly every patrol car in the nation has a semi-automatic M4 in the trunk.
      CS grenades aren't military, they're police issue. The beanbag, rubber bullet and rubber large projectile are shared technology, being purchased by the military and police departments.

      But, if you feel left out, you also can buy armored vehicles and semi-automatic M4 carbines. You'll not as easily get CS or riot ammunition, but you can get the tax stamp for them.
      A good quality M4 goes for around $1800. Mine will cost a bit more, as I have custom work done to increase accuracy (I fire in competition), though I'd not be competing with the thing.
      I just feel lost without qualifying with an M4 quarterly.
      Which means that the vast majority of the time, it'll end up with the rest of my firearms, in a locked safe.

      Now, who all thinks that law enforcement officers need, essentially, a varmint rifle in the trunk of their cars?
      I sure as hell don't.
      SWAT team, yeah, patrolman, nope.

  •  Come on down! We're C-R-A-A-Z-Z-Z-Y!!!! (4+ / 0-)

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:02:40 PM PDT

  •  Give em that old school cheer (3+ / 0-)
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    Rikon Snow, Cartoon Peril, OldDragon

    Police State!

    Police State!

    Go Police State!

    "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:06:32 PM PDT

  •  Perfect. nt (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know what's worse, the getting older or the getting wiser. -- G. Callen.

    by OLinda on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:08:31 PM PDT

  •  Military gear a HUGE business (0+ / 0-)

    Yep...there is a surplus of military gear now that we're winding down the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  But, the producers of military gear and everything and anything military is a HUGE business in our country and it employs hundreds of thousands of people.  Let's not be too quick to want to stop that.  

    It's a huge business and ever since...well, since forever....we've needed the military suppliers to produce to create and keep jobs in our country.  

    In a perfect world, that should be the case.  But, our world is ANYTHING but perfect.

  •  By the way . . . does anybody know . . . um . . . (4+ / 0-)
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    RichM, thomask, OldDragon, Elizabeth 44

    are we the good guys  . . . or . . .  the other ones?  I'm okay.  Either way . . . just . . . kinda . . . wondering?

    A drowning man can not learn to swim. -- Chris Lonsdale

    by Rikon Snow on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:14:36 PM PDT

  •  There used to be a magazine called The Nose (2+ / 0-)
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    Sort of a west coast version of Spy. Same sort of sensibility, at least. They were interested in guns and ammunition, and did an issue on ammunition, including hollow point bullets, bullets that fragmented on impact, bullets that tore through flesh (The talon? It looked impressively lethal). They did a Consumer Reports style review of various bullets. At one point, they noted that while this or that bullet was outlawed for military use by the Geneva Conventions, they were perfectly legal for law enforcement to use on citizens.

    I was appalled and flabbergasted. Not that I want anyone to be shot, but it was amazing to me that we couldn't use certain lethal projectiles against our nation's declared enemies, but we could use them against our own people. The same apparently goes for chemical weapons use. Just insane.

  •  Totally confused here (4+ / 0-)

    We couldn't provide armored Humvees  less than a decade ago in a war situation (ill-conceived), and now we have MRAPs as surplus supplied to local "peace officers"?  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

    The plural of anecdote is NOT data

    by Dr Arcadia on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:31:35 PM PDT

  •  Why has the fact... (0+ / 0-)

    that the application for military hardware that these militarized police forces have to fill out stipulates that the equipment must be used within 1 year or returned not been spoken about more in the media?

  •  That's the way, uh huh, uh huh, I like it, (0+ / 0-)

    I like it -
    That's the way, uh huh, uh huh I like it...

  •  What? (2+ / 0-)
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    tubaguy, BadBoyScientist

    What? No free nukes? I so wanted to make my own mushroom cloud!

  •  Needs a sign: (0+ / 0-)

    "Not Open To The Public - Only Incorporated Police Agencies May Shop Here"

    Cos, you know, I've been wanting an MRAP as an offroad camper for a while now.  Wanted one of these, but, they tell me there's only one in existence and it's in need of repair...

    If your sole and entire rationale for doing something is "It's not illegal." then perhaps you should rethink doing it.

    by dcnblues on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 02:28:52 PM PDT

  •  Armored caravans and assault weapons in the USA (0+ / 0-)

    is a repeat of what Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel and other nations experience as people rush to enshrine a police state.  1984 is here.

  •  I have been having a lot of issues with this (0+ / 0-)

    These "militarized" cops, they've got the military weaponry, but sure don't have the military style training (that rant over)

    Rumsfeld said, something like, "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want" The FEDs have been giving police departments these weapons and armor  since at least the 1990's (thanks Clinton rolls eyes ) so they had it, since the 1990's! BUT our military didn't have it. Does no one else see the odd disconnect here?

    And that's just two issues I have. Then there's the whole "civilian" thing, like the cops are no longer held to civil laws above all. Fine then, let them obey military laws! That's where the difference between military and civilian is, in the damn LAWS that's why they are military and we are civilian, we don't need to worry about Geneva Convention laws! And also, a store in town can not sell booze when the CIVIL law says no. Military exchanges CAN!

    Despite the crud, I'm still a proud Virginian. And *that's* why I rant!

    by Susan Stike Conner on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 12:34:04 AM PDT

    •  OOOH, another example (0+ / 0-)

      Back in the early 1990's the military decided it would be a good idea for everyone to wear seat belts. Your state doesn't have the law? Doesn't matter, you wear one on base. And had my husband been off-duty and killed in a car accident while not wearing his seat belt, SGLI could argue against paying his life insurance and the military could argue against paying out survivor benifits because Jeff would have been breaking MILITARY LAW

      So, cops wanna be all paramilitary and play soldier? FINE, let them put up with military LAW!

      Despite the crud, I'm still a proud Virginian. And *that's* why I rant!

      by Susan Stike Conner on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 12:42:36 AM PDT

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    •  And yet one MORE... (0+ / 0-)

      Imagine a civilian job (even cop) that you can be, for all intents and purposes, thrown in jail for being late to work! It's called "restriction" which is exactly what it sounds like. You sit in your barracks room (live off base? they'll give you a room on-base) There's a guy or gal at a desk down the hall with a gun, that guy or gal will walk you to mess so you can eat, and walk you back (remember, they have a gun) Exercise? Pick up trash around the base, while the babysitter (that has a gun) watches and makes sure you do it correctly! The guys and gals call that duty "babysitting the restrictoids" All for being LATE to muster. Granted, this is worse case scenario for those who are chronic, but it gives one an idea of the difference between civil and martial laws!

      How do I know all this? One learns a thing or two being a Navy wife for the full 20. My husband knew a guy the Navy made move back on base because he was chronically late! Imagine any other job like that.

      Despite the crud, I'm still a proud Virginian. And *that's* why I rant!

      by Susan Stike Conner on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 01:07:01 AM PDT

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  •  If there is any good that has come out of Ferguson (0+ / 0-)

    perhaps it is that now this entirely insane militarization of domestic cops issue has come to light. And a good, vigorous debate is taking place despite the efforts of the Repubs/Baggers to quell it. Good for us!!

  •  Okay, it's hear ... (0+ / 0-)

    The time has come for even the average law-abiding citizen to FEAR those who work for us - those WE pay to Serve and Protect us.  Could it be time for them to FEAR us?  We need a very clear delineation and cut-and-dry way to deal with ROUGE cops ... a citizens panel who accept input from any who would inform on these rouge types. The input would be weighed ... again, by a citizen panel elected by the people ... maybe serving a county size area - and the politicians of other law enforcement types would be kept out of the loop.

    It would be illegal to in any way whatsoever to interact with panel members - and they would be elected every 24 months ... 6 members - two up for election each year - with a minimum of 4 voting to sanction or remove an officer.

    WE, the people, should hold all of the cards ... this public sector (taxpayer supported) police investigation unit stuff has become buried in politics ... their results are often tainted if not downright rotten.

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