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Ferguson is a touchy and frighteningly telling situation for our country. I can only hope that this comes out to a conclusion which will serve to strengthen and not to further weaken our country.

Now I have to ask: What has happened to Ebola? Has it gone way? Are we safe?

Diminutive reports which scroll quickly by on the bottom of my screen tells to me very little in the way of what if anything is being done to halt the spreading of this disease, or whether or not it has already arrived in the US.

Ferguson has and will happen again and the over because we have a flawed system which falsely rewards far too many who have done little to nothing: while marginalizing the efforts and accomplishments of those who work daily to be an asset to our society.

Young people all of all backgrounds are feeling the pressures of a limited future. Jobs have been outsourced, and even the military is scheduled to be scaled-back. They are asking the hard questions about their future prospects, and they are not receiving answers which give to them little to no comfort.

Science is saying different things about the spread of Ebola and other possible pandemic-producing diseases. Is there a vaccine; and if so; will it work? Who will receive it, and what will be the  guidelines providing the list of who will?

Is this a real threat beyond the borders of Africa; or are we being misdirected in order to keep our attentions from something more ominous?

Keep your eyes and your ears open on this one: and if you know something...share it with everyone else! Please!

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  •  Ethics and vaccines. (7+ / 0-)

    There is no vaccine.

    Scientists and researchers are working on that.

    There is an experimental treatment called Zmapp. There are extremely limited supplies of it, and WHO has permitted its use without proper trials due to the gravity of the Ebola outbreak.

    However, there is a huge ethical debate going on about who should get the ZMapp treatment as there is limited supply.

    The Washington Post talks about all of that.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

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    by Village Vet on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 10:21:50 PM PDT

    •  re. who gets Zmapp: (5+ / 0-)
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      mollyd, highacidity, d3clark, murrayewv, SuWho

      Doctors & other health care workers first, because they're on the front line.

      After that, ration it out to individuals based on categories relevant to clinical trials, such as children, teenagers, adults, elders, male, female, various races/ethnicities, etc.  The point being to save lives and collect data at the same time.  

      Probably most-fair to select individual patients within each category randomly, using a physical random process such as rolling dice.  If treating kids, treat their mother or father as well.  

      Whoever makes the patient selections will need psychological counseling and emotional support.

      Obama should use emergency powers to provide whatever funding is needed to the company that produces this, to expand production.  The wholesale price per dose should include a fair profit for this, if for no other reason than to sustain the incentive to produce medications for other urgent new diseases.  

      GOTV as if your life depends on it, because somebody's life does.

      by G2geek on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 06:56:40 AM PDT

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      •  there is a formula for vaccines and treatments.... (1+ / 0-)
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        worked out after anthrax attack.  You are right, health care workers are first.  There is some possibility of using serum of survivors to use the antibodies.  Complex, since other viruses like HIV could be transmitted.

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        by murrayewv on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 09:13:55 AM PDT

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  •  ... (3+ / 0-)
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    by indycam on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 10:25:33 PM PDT

  •  There are still lots of news stories about Ebola (1+ / 0-)
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    It's not going away.  Hopefully it can be quickly contained if it pops up in the US.

    •  Really, that's your major concern? (1+ / 0-)
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      That it can be "quickly contained if it pops up in the US"?

      "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

      by Calvino Partigiani on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 11:10:45 PM PDT

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      •  that's everybody's first reaction: (2+ / 0-)
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        "I hope it doesn't pop up here (wherever that might be), and if it does, we can contain it fast."

        Once people become more familiar with the situation, they become less concerned with it spreading to their area, and more concerned with the broader humanitarian dimension of this.

        I can't condemn people for their first reaction, it is highly supported by natural selection.  Protect those close to you, and once you know they're safe, protect everyone else.

        GOTV as if your life depends on it, because somebody's life does.

        by G2geek on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 06:59:46 AM PDT

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      •  Quick containment in the US, or anywhere, is (0+ / 0-)

        essential to prevent the index case from seeding others.  The CDC, WHO, several medical societies and medical professional groups have alerted doctors, hospitals, labs, clinics, health departments, etc. about the signs and symptoms of Ebola, what to do when it is suspected, etc.

        A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

        by d3clark on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 08:41:17 AM PDT

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    •  There are many media sources covering this (5+ / 0-)
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      Bob Love, a2nite, G2geek, d3clark, murrayewv

      CBC News is a good source. There are stories about Ebola every day (listed in the page) that you can view.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/...

      Here's the BBC page on Ebola:

      http://www.bbc.com/...

      The Canadians sent 1000 doses of an experimental vaccine (not tested on humans) and I've heard nothing yet about whether or not it's been used or how well it's doing

      A fo ben, bid bont. - Welsh proverb. ( translation: If you want to be a leader, be a bridge.)

      by Gwennedd on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 01:28:23 AM PDT

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    •  Death toll as of yesterday is around 1200 (0+ / 0-)

      according to Aljazerra TV. They also had a scary story about gunmen looting a treatment center and stealing bed linens and mattresses. I'm sure that will be helpful to the situation.


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      by CitizenOfEarth on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 09:09:08 AM PDT

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  •  it hasnt gone away. (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, G2geek

    just these days (yesterday) there was a suspect case in Berlin in the midle of Germany - of all places. A holidaygoer of this summer to West Africa showed symptoms. A day of scare - an office building weas quarantined with all people in it - until tests showed that it wasnt Ebola but another (treatable, less contagious) tropical disease.

    Still MSF maintains that the spread (in West Africa) still outpaces containment efforts.

  •  I know this much: (6+ / 0-)

    Ebola is a real threat within the borders of Africa.

    If we only care about Ebola if it's a threat beyond the borders of Africa, then we are indeed suffering from a real sickness.

    "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

    by Calvino Partigiani on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 11:09:06 PM PDT

  •  You have to seek out real news. It isn't delive... (4+ / 0-)
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    You have to seek out real news.

    It isn't delivered to us like it once was, packaged in a half hour newscast.

    News programs used to be loss leaders; now they 're expected to earn their keep.

    Not much on Gaza or the Ukraine either, or young Guatemalan refugees being sent home to their deaths.

    We're better off asking ourselves what's NOT being covered, googling it and reporting our findings here.

  •  BBC reporting border closure (6+ / 0-)

    between Cameroon and Nigeria.
    Liberia has quarantined an entire 'neighborhood' of about 10,000 people in the West end of Monrovia. this is the area sick people were taken to after being removed from a holding facility by a mob of locals, many of whom believe the whole outbreak is a hoax. The sick people have apparently all been located and moved into a more hospital-like place.
    Now the residents of the West End are penned in with what appears to be no safeguards to prevent the rapid spread of the disease through this very densely populated slum. BBC reporter tells of finding a dying boy lying on the beach in this area.
    If you're getting your news from cable news, that would explain the lack of information; they've got a showy thing in Ferguson, and it's hard to concentrate, for them. So, what Bob Love said, above.

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    by kamarvt on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 05:38:08 AM PDT

  •  Are we safe? Where are you? We are not there ! (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't think you have ever been unsafe and the question "Are we safe?" is really just inciting hysterical reactions.

    Ebola has not gone away. There are tons of reports of what has happened and where. No need to complain of too little coverage. Time to think about responsible "reporting" more than anything else.

    There is enough hysteria already. No need to add to it.

    We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

    by mimi on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 06:20:00 AM PDT

  •  I'm getting sick of this (2+ / 0-)
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    YOU WERE NEVER, EVER IN DANGER FROM EBOLA.

    The outbreak will burn itself out in a matter of weeks. The panic is worse than the disease it seems, especially in Liberia.

    MALARIA will kill far more people THIS VERY WEEK than Ebola ever has since it was first detected in 1976.

    And EVERYTHING you read in the Hotzone is innaccurate at best, and probably wrong, or so say ACTUAL EPIDEMOLOGISTS studying the disease at labs in this country.

    And your claims "misdirection" and "i didn't see it"? Is your google news aggregator broken? As an experiment I typed in "ebola" into Google News and got TWENTY MILLION hits for the last week alone.

    oh, and lastly, there are FIFTY-FOUR SEPERATE COUNTRIES, NINE territories, and TWO defacto independent states on the african continent. Be specific about WHICH borders you're talking about.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. Russia Today=FoxNews, Seralini=Wakefield. yadda yadda.

    by terrypinder on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 06:53:38 AM PDT

    •  WHO predicts at least 6 months (2+ / 0-)
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      before its under control in Africa

      did you hear about the raid on the clinic in Monrovia?

      its out of control in 3 countries in Africa,plus limited occurance in Nigeria

      And yes, we are in no danger here

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      by mollyd on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 07:25:27 AM PDT

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      •  define out of control? (1+ / 0-)
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        because it will still kill only a tiny fraction. Malaria is what's out of control. TB is what's out of control. Even influenza is "out of control." All three of these will take over a million lives this year combined.

        Panic has overtaken any sense in some nations, like Liberia. Yes, I know about what happened in Monrovia. Part of that is because of a lack of any governmental control--they just got out of civil war. Same for Sierra Leone and Guinea.

        New infections have slowed in Guinea where the outbreak began.

        And there's Uganda...where there are scattered cases every so often. Outbreaks there are quickly contained. the lessons learned in Uganda need to spread to West Africa (looks like, from skimming the news, they're trying in Nigeria.)

        It is a terrifying disease but I'm going with my original prediction. Weeks, 8 at minimum.

        Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. Russia Today=FoxNews, Seralini=Wakefield. yadda yadda.

        by terrypinder on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 07:45:51 AM PDT

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      •  6 months is a total fantasy (0+ / 0-)

        As long as it is not contained, it will keep spreading through the population.

        Containment will be rapid and effective if Ebola appears in developed nations. However, it could be terrible as it spreads in some of the poorest nations in the world.

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        by bear83 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 08:49:25 AM PDT

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  •  There area at least two vaccines. One is a joint (1+ / 0-)
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    venture production between the US and Canada.  800-1000 doses have been shipped to Africa. This vaccine has not been tested in humans.   Limited amount left.  Another vaccine made through the efforts of the National Institutes of Health is going to start clinical trials tests next month.  Both vaccines have shown promising results in non-human primates.

    ZMapp is a monoclonal antibody, similar to a vaccine.  Manufactured Mapp Biopharmaceuticals.  Not previously tested in humans.  It has been given to several patients with Ebola (like Brantly, Writebol and others.)  The manufacturer has used all of its supply-no more currently available.

    Drug maker Tekmira has produced TKM-Ebola.  This medicine attacks the virus' RNA and can be given after the infection has started.  Early clinical trials of the drug are underway.

    Some physicians have proposed that drugs already in use for other diseases, might help treat Ebola patients.  They suggest statins, ARBs and ACE inhibitors.  Again, these have never been used to treat Ebola.  

    Problem: It will take months to do the research and get approval to use these drugs.  Even if the research is completely omitted, it would still take months to make any sizable amount of either the drugs or vaccines.   Remember, there are about 22,000,000 million people in Lagos, Nigeria alone.  Plus millions more in the rest of Nigeria, plus those in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.  So drugs alone won't be a solution.  

    Quarantine, isolation. prevention of spread are key.  Hand washing, avoiding people who are known to be ill. not eating bushmeat, avoiding wild animals, not taking part in preparation of Ebola-infected corpses for burial. etc. are all critical.

    There is a series of good articles on Ebola: infectiousness, symptoms, quarantine/isolation techniques, effects on economy, health care workers and Ebola, CDC, effects on the populace, riots, etc. here:  http://americablog.com/  Click on the "Ebola" tab in the upper left corner for about 20 articles on the recent outbreak.

    A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

    by d3clark on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 08:36:55 AM PDT

    •  The world needs to help these poor nations (1+ / 0-)
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      Remember, there are about 22,000,000 million people in Lagos, Nigeria alone.  Plus millions more in the rest of Nigeria, plus those in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.  So drugs alone won't be a solution.  

      Quarantine, isolation. prevention of spread are key.  Hand washing, avoiding people who are known to be ill. not eating bushmeat, avoiding wild animals, not taking part in preparation of Ebola-infected corpses for burial. etc. are all critical.

      They are home to some 200 million people. The 1000 or so deaths so far are a drop in the bucket compared to what could happen there.

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      by bear83 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 08:52:38 AM PDT

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      •  As terrypinder says, above, many more will die (0+ / 0-)

        from malaria (or typhoid, gastroenteritis) and other diseases.    I know one doctor who recently returned from Liberia after treating patients there.  He said that virtually every Liberian has malaria.   Malaria, gastroenteritis, typhoid can all produce symptoms somewhat similar to Ebola.  If a patient presents to a clinic with fever, nausea and vomiting, headache and body aches, everyone thinks of malaria first since that is much more common.

        You're right.  The hardest-hit countries are also the poorest.   Very limited medical budget, few healthcare personnel, few supplies, little in the way of biocontainment gear.  They need help with those things, and more.  The population is very uneducated, some illiterate.  They need outreach to educate them.  Has to be done almost on a house-to-house basis since there is limited access to TV, radio, internet, cell phones, etc.  Plus many think that health care workers are spreading Ebola and want to go to native healers.  This will be a long, uphill battle.

        A word to the wise is sufficient. Republicans need at least a paragraph.

        by d3clark on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 09:08:21 AM PDT

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    •  monoclonal antibody is completely different than (0+ / 0-)

      a vaccine.

      Vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies against ebola so that if you encounter it, the response is swift so ebola doesnt get a foothold. Vaccine is given before you are infected - at least 6 weeks to allow the immune response to develop.

      Monoclonal antibody is an antibody against ebola that binds to ebola proteins and activates your immune system. They dont stay in your body for long.  You give monoclonal antibodies after someone is infected.

  •  "Ebola Out of Control: (0+ / 0-)

    Quarantines, Hunger and Death in Liberia"
    http://www.newsweek.com/...

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    by mollyd on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 09:08:11 AM PDT

  •  No, it's accelerating (0+ / 0-)

    This place is all Ferguson, all the time now.

    Sadly enough, I've noticed that people really rely on MSM such as CNN to tell them what's important. If the MSM starts covering ebola again, expect diaries to spike.

    "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

    by randomfacts on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 04:23:34 PM PDT

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