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They say it's not nice to generalize, but when EVERY single encounter I've had with people who make arguments against Michael Brown are making bullshit racist statements, then I can say from my own experience that yes, if they're defending the shooting of an unarmed man six fucking times, then they probably don't care too much for black people.

Below the fold is every argument I've heard from a Michael Brown detractor, and it's not pretty:

1. "Why didn't you complain when this black person killed this white person?"

Well I'm pretty sure I did. But you know what I didn't do? Claim the white person had it coming.

There's a story in the media that is getting overshadowed by the attention of the Michael Brown reports. In Salt Lake City, a 20 year old unarmed white man by the name of Dillon Taylor was shot by a the local police department.

Tragic? Yes. Should it get more attention as part of a media narrative that shows the alarming use of force by our police departments? Absolutely.

But you know what's different about the story? You don't have conservatives screaming that Mr. Taylor should have been shot. You don't have people accusing him of smoking pot or being a "thug". But Taylor is white, so he won't be demonized by conservatives.


Yeah, here's some footage of the aftermath of those riots:

The rioting has been reported to be miniscule compared to the police response to peaceful protesters:

Strange how the Brown haters don't mention that.

3. Michael Brown was a bad person!

If you haven't seen the response to this by now by Jesse Williams, watch it now. He sums it up much better than I can:

You'll see the racists using code words to describe Michael Brown. They'll call him a "thug" or an "animal". All words that are used when dehumanizing black people.

The Brown haters will bring up every little sin that he's committed. He smoked pot. He shoplifted. You know what he didn't do? Anything that deserved getting shot six times.

This is not North Korea. The state does not get to execute you for stealing cigars!

Even if he did punch a cop (stories debunking the orbital bone claims are mentioning that the officer did have some swelling, indicating he may have been punched), a fist to the head does not make it okay to shoot somebody. If you cannot handle scraping with one unarmed man, you have no business being in the police department! None! Go take up a job that requires you to live a less aggressive life.

4. Racist memes

If you've been having a discussion on a social media site about Michael Brown, this inevitably shows up:

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The memes are all different pictures, but they all have the same racist message that black people are lazy and refusing to get a job.

I'm sure that some people are just trolling, but when you add up everything else, it shows a pattern of racism.

The Brown haters will make the now debunked accusation about the orbital bone fracture, which if true, would justify deadly force (it's not). But when you let them talk long enough, you find that they have a hatred of black people. The orbital bone or any of Mr. Brown's actions are irrelevant. They're just excuses for racists to defend the death of a black man.

I admit that my experience is anecdotal. If you happen to know one person who is defending the shooting of Michael Brown but hasn't shown animosity towards black people, congrats on knowing one. But so far I haven't seen a single person, and I've been talking about this in real life and on the internet A LOT. And every single one has made a racist statement about this story.

Their racism didn't grow on its own. It was created by the conservative media like Fox News, Breitbart, and other right-wing sources that have spent years denouncing black people, treating racism as though it were some overblown use of the race card, the use of coded racist language, and making sure that African-Americans are always viewed in a negative light. There will never be a time when they will not find a reason to justify the killing of a black man.

Unless, of course, they can blame Obama.

We need to call this out. There is no reasoning with racists. There is no convincing them that Michael Brown didn't deserve to die. He was a black male, so that's all the reason they need. When you call them out, they'll whine and bitch that "you're playing the race card!" It's then that you remind them:

"If you don't like being called a racist asshole, then don't be one."

(P.S. I'm white. Not that it should matter, but just FYI for any racists who want to play the "angry black man" card).

Originally posted to djtyg on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 09:52 PM PDT.

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  •  I agree 99 percent (3+ / 0-)

    The 1 percent? Racism has existed in this land for well over 400 years.  Way before the spew of fux nooos. I know this is a site that espouses love thy enemy, peace and camomile,  but, at some point ya need to stand strong. I don't recall tear gas and rubber bullets in Nevada. Peaceful, in short, seems to get short shrift in this country. Reason can be met with reason. Roid ragin over equipped pigs, not so much. With the amount of hi powered weapons in this country it ain't hard to smoke bacon. I'm sure this will not be viewed kindly, but at this point, I've really stopped caring about "nice."

    The human race is a race of cowards; and I am not only marching in that procession but carrying a banner. -- S. Clemens

    by pizzedlib on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 10:41:26 PM PDT

  •  Righteous (5+ / 0-)

    Thank you.

    If you don't like it, attack the message, not the messenger. The former may convince me that I am wrong, but the latter will always convince that I am right.

    by nancyjones on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 10:43:08 PM PDT

  •  I note that someone has found where (7+ / 0-)

    Brown was an aspiring rapper and every one of his raps that are available online have been analyzed ad nauseum to prove that he was a naturally violent person.

    The autopsy mentioned THC in his system so there is speculation that he was on "the hard stuff" such as PCP which caused him to attack Wilson twice.

    He was a thug for pushing the clerk.  The videos I have seen are not clear but it appears the clerk laid a hand on one of the two men in the video and also tried to block their way.

    He was a thief.  It appears now that he paid for at least some of the cigars and evidently the clerk did not consider him to be stealing the cigars.  So far, we have not heard what the dispute with the clerk was.

    Lessee have i forgotten any RW meme about Brown and what a bad guy he was.  Oh yeah, some folks allege there are FB pics showing him throwing gang signs but I have not seen those and I think some of the commenters are confusing him with Trayvon.  Hey when you are demonizing, any dead black young man will do.

    Now it is being alleged that Wilson suffered a broken face with significant brain damage.  However in at least one video, he stood around for 15 minutes or so or maybe longer after the shooting.  Not what you would expect from a severely wounded man.

    None of this matters.  The Gateway Pundit latches onto a sketchy phone call to a RW talk show that claimed to be Wilson's GF and all of a sudden, "Wilson's" account hits the MSM though it was not possible based on the autopsy and eyewitness accounts.  Then we have a reporter on FMLA tweet that "a dozen" official eyewitnesses disputed the versions presented by neighborhood witnesses and the report goes viral before the reporter is repudiated by her own paper.

    It looks as if White America will find an excuse for another dead black teen, no matter how hard they have to dig  

  •  It's worse than Racism (11+ / 0-)

    it's an layer of excuse after excuse for a racist biased criminal justice system.  I just spend a couple hour arguing with one guy whose entire argument came down to "But Black Commit More Crime.." as if that justified everything and anything done to Mike Brown, or John Crawford, or Renisha McBridge or Oscar Grant or Renisha McBride or Kendrec McDade.

    That's it. That's his answer for everything.  Cuz, more Crime.

    •  Bullshit. Bullshit . Bullshit. The cousin fucke... (3+ / 0-)
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      djtyg, mwm341, TDDVandy

      Bullshit. Bullshit . Bullshit. The cousin fuckers... hundreds of em weren't commiting a crime out in Nevada?

    •  Vyan, you did mention the statistics (4+ / 0-)

      of White on White crime, right? You did tell them that the stats are mostly the same for all races. That Whites are just as likely to kill other Withes just as Blacks and Hispanics are just as likely to die by the hands of someone in their respective  racial group. It goes back to the fact that most homicides are committed by people the victim knows.

      Don't White People Kill Each Other, Too?
      And yet we keep hearing about black-on-black crime because it fits the false media narrative.

      Posted: April 10 2012 12:40 AM

      When it comes to America's racial past and present, lies and snake oil are sold in many colors.

      In the wake of the Trayvon Martin tragedy, conservatives in media have sought to deflect from the racism and racial profiling that precipitated his untimely death by referencing the broader social malaise of supposed "black-on-black violence."

      On last week's episode of This Week on ABC, Washington Post columnist George Will said that despite the Trayvon tragedy, "150 black men are killed every week in this country," and "about 94 percent of them by other black men."

      Will parroted arguments made by many conservatives, his intended point being that black-on-black crime remains the real problem our nation should address. The half-truth he spoke went curiously unchallenged by the panel -- including former White House adviser Van Jones -- largely because the meta-narrative of black-on-black violence is widely accepted in journalistic and political circles.

      Bill O'Reilly, the Fox News host and one-man propaganda machine, recently interviewed Columbia University professor Marc Lamont Hill to discuss similar claims from Wall Street Journal contributor Shelby Steele, who wrote in "The Exploitation of Trayvon Martin" that "black teenagers are afraid of other black teenagers, not whites." O'Reilly vehemently defended Steele's premise that the Trayvon Martin case is an anomaly.

      "Blacks today are nine times more likely to be killed by other blacks than by whites," Steele wrote. He went on to attack the Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for "exploiting" Trayvon's death in an effort to promote a "liberal" agenda -- a point that O'Reilly was all too happy to expound.

      Steele's perspective, though myopic and misguided, remains pervasive and embedded in the broader social consciousness. This red-herring approach is not new, but in the face of Trayvon's death -- for which there remains no arrest, no charges and no arraignment -- these obstructive tactics require an equal and opposite response.

      What Will, Steele and O'Reilly failed to mention is the exacting truth that white Americans are just as likely to be killed by other whites. According to Justice Department statistics (pdf), 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites.

      In fact, all races share similar ratios. Yet there's no outrage or racialized debate about "white on white" violence. Instead, the myth and associated fear of "black on black" crime is sold as a legitimate, mainstream descriptive and becomes American status quo.

       The truth? As the largest racial group, whites commit the majority of crimes in America. In particular, whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led blacks, again, more than 2-1.

      Given this mathematical truth, would anyone encourage African Americans to begin shooting suspicious white males in their neighborhoods for fear that they'll be raped, assaulted or murdered? Perhaps George Zimmerman's defenders should answer that question. If African Americans were to act as irrationally as Zimmerman did, would any rationale suffice to avoid arrest?

      And why is no consideration given to the fact that Trayvon Martin, and millions of black boys and girls like him, harbor a reasonably founded fear of whites but are hardly ever provided the deference and dignity that victimhood affords?

      The term "black on black" crime is a destructive, racialized colloquialism that perpetuates an idea that blacks are somehow more prone to violence. This is untrue and fully verifiable by FBI, DOJ and census (pdf) data. Yet the fallacy is so fixed that even African Americans have come to believe it.

      People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. --V for Vendetta

      by WFBMM on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 02:29:45 AM PDT

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    •  The biggest racists (1+ / 0-)
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      don't actually know any black people.  They just hear about them on the news, and some sick fucks even go so far as demanding that the newspaper publish the race of alleged criminals -- simply to satisfy themselves that their bigotry is somehow "right."

      30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 02:59:50 AM PDT

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  •  Of course (1+ / 0-)
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    the racist meme about black people would have a misspelling.

    Because you know the person who created that wasn't all that smart.

    30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 03:00:47 AM PDT

  •  sadly...I have to.. (3+ / 0-)

    Agree. It may not be recognized by all of those people that flat out demonize Michael, or try in vain to rationalize how Michael ended up riddled with bullets,  dead, and left lying in the street, but it is what it is. The inability to admit what is obvious seems to amplify the falseness of the assertions.

  •  'The Bigot' (0+ / 0-)

    An interview with Stephen Eric Bronner:

    In a room where people unanimously maintain a conspiracy of silence, one word of truth sounds like a pistol shot." ~ Czeslaw Milosz

    by Caneel on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 06:47:36 PM PDT

  •  We need to work on our framing. "All conservati... (1+ / 0-)
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    We need to work on our framing.

    "All conservatives are racist. Because they are conservatives, because conservatism itself is racist. "

    Pin it on them ALL, true or not for the individual in question. Make them DENY it, each and every one of them. Then, pick it apart, individual by individual, and pin the liar badge on them as well.

    We HAVE to start playing a lot dirtier, people. We HAVE to start using the right's tactics against them. They wrote all the rules (laws), they own the board (media), and they control the pieces (talking heads). We have to start calling them out, on their own shows if necessary, or with a lie they have to deny:

    "Congressman, there's a rumor that you have been accused of molesting your own son. Would you care to respond to that?"

    Yes, it's low. Yes, it's playing very dirty. Yes, that above probably IS a lie. But forty years of mostly losing (especially in the media, where it really counts) should have taught us that honesty and facts and moral superiority will not win for us.

    I'm willing to lie about people like these to remove them from the levers of power. I'm willing to destroy their reputations so completely they can never ever work in the public eye again. I'm willing to embarrass their entire families for years and years if I have to if it means they're gone from politics, and I'm willing to do all of it without any regrets, not one apology, and not a single backward glance at the wreckage I've caused their lives.

    These people sicken me, their attitudes are poisonous, and their policies are a cancer on this country. I want them gone, and I'm willing to do anything technically legal that must be done to rid us of them, morals, ethics, and decency be damned to hell and gone.

    •  While I understand your point (0+ / 0-)

      I cannot agree that to defeat that which is loathsome, ugly and evil I must become loathsome, ugly and evil...BTJM.

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 07:00:48 AM PDT

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  •  ASDF (0+ / 0-)

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:51:28 AM PDT

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