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Screenshot of a St. Louis County PD incident report on the shooting death of Michael Brown
It answers ... nothing.
Remember that incident report that we've all been waiting for, detailing the police version of what happened the day Michael Brown was gunned down in the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, by one of their own? Well, finally—and just after learning that the Ferguson Police Department claim they never filed one—a report has been released. Finally, the answers we've all been waiting for! Or not:
The incident report, filed by the St. Louis County police department, contains no new information on the encounter between Brown and Wilson. There are no written details about the event. As a result, the officer’s account of what transpired when the two men met just after noon on Aug. 9 remains a mystery.
Read the entire report here, and learn that Michael Brown died on August 9 after being shot. And ... that's it. Well, except this:
According to the document, the St. Louis County police entered the incident report on Aug. 19, 10 days after the shooting. It was approved for release the following morning.
This took them 10 days? So much for easing tensions in Ferguson.

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  •  Umm... (29+ / 0-)

    Time of Dispatch 12:43

    Time of Arrival 13:30

    So they're saying that it took them 45 minutes to get another car there?


    •  This is allegedly a report by the COUNTY (14+ / 0-)

      so . . . they claim that they Ferguson called the county to independently investigate?

      Which makes little sense that quickly.

      But yeah, that's why.

      •  45 minutes? C'mon... (3+ / 0-)
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        rb608, Pinto Pony, eddiematrix1

        With that kinda response time, the call would've been bumped over to the Stateys.

      •  It took the murderering cop that long (9+ / 0-)

        while wandering around the body to ponder and chose his strategy with his other cop pals on site.

      •  ACLU hadn't acted no telling how long they (12+ / 0-)

        might have taken.

        Ferguson Police's PR Stunt Poisons Independent and Impartial Investigation

        By Dennis Parker, Director, ACLU Racial Justice Program at 6:23pm

        ACLU of Missouri @aclu_mo

        In response to our lawsuit for #MikeBrown shooting report, STL County Police Dept released:  

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        by divineorder on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:46:50 AM PDT

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      •  might be TWO reports, one county, one city (9+ / 0-)

        we discussed last night here

        This is quote from store robbery incident report.

        It references two incident reports for the killing of brown. at least that's how i interpreted yesterday, where i was guessing that the city report had # #2014-12391 and county had no. #2014-43984, which is the same as in barbara's story: 14- 43984.

        "It is worth mentioning that this incident [robbery] is related to another incident [killing brown] under Ferguson Police Report #2014-12391 as well as St. Louis County Police Report #2014-43984. In that incident, Brown was fatally wounded involving an officer of this department."
        NBC reported that there was no city incident report for killing brown because jurisdiction changed right away to county. and that is information NBC obtained from conflicted/biased out county prosecutor office.

        Makes more sense that with this jurisdiction transfer that there are two incident reports, city and county, and only the city would have key info because city cop did the killing.

        so hope ACLU lawsuit to obtain city report is successful.

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        by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:49:18 AM PDT

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        • they are lying about the earlier (3+ / 0-)
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          eddiematrix1, emal, KJG52

          report never having been written.  That answers part of my puzzle.  How do we know when they "actually" turned it over to the county?

          •  According to this report ... (6+ / 0-)

            it was turned over almost immediately. Ferguson PD called the St. Louis County authorities at 12:43, which was shortly after the shooting.

            Mind you, I'm sure there are additional formalities that go along with this kind of jurisdictional transfer, but at least if you believe this report, Ferguson PD called in St. Louis police right away.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:39:45 AM PDT

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          •  lying or parsing or something else we learn after (1+ / 0-)
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            mjd in florida

            we ever get the facts.

            I am not familiar with the nomenclature for police system there, but maybe there can only be one official police incident report. in the usual case, no problem. but here, jurisdiction was transferred to county right after the cop killed brown.

            According to the NBC report, which is based on what it was told by county prosecuting office and/or prosecutor mcCulloch:  

            1. city police did not "file" an "incident report" due to jurisdiction transfer - this might be true, that the city report was not officially "filed" because county now had jurisdiction;

            2.  a city incident report does not exist -- maybe when you have two jurisdictions involved in the incident report they use a different name for the city report, and call the county report an incident report because it now has jurisdiction.

            The robbery incident report indicates that the city incident report, by whatever name, does exist and was provided a case number.

            From what we know thus far, it sounds like the county prosecutor's office used wiggle words with NBC. words that allow them to say, for example, that no official incident report was filed by the city which can be just spinning or parsing of words that amount to lies.  

            seems to me that there would be no confusion if the county report simply had incorporated or attached the city report to it.

            Police in Ferguson, Missouri, did not file an “incident report” on the fatal shooting of 19-year-old Michael Brown because they turned the case over to St. Louis County police almost immediately, the county prosecutor’s office tells NBC News.

            Critics and news media outlets have questioned why Ferguson police released an incident report from a robbery in which Brown was a suspect, as well as security video showing the stick-up, but not the report on the shooting of the unarmed 18-year-old a short time later by Officer Darren Wilson.

            The reason, according to the office of St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, is that it doesn’t exist.

            The St. Louis County police department presumably did file an incident report, but any such documents will not be made public until a grand jury investigating the officer-involved shooting concludes its investigation, according to officials from the office who briefed NBC News on the case.

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            by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:24:28 AM PDT

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            •  Having worked in a court program in my county (... (1+ / 0-)

              Having worked in a court program in my county (psychologist) for several years, I have read lots of incident reports. They are always a step by step description of what happened from the first call or contact, the actions they & others took, along with their reasons for taking the action they took, to the final disposition such as leaving the scene & or booking the suspect including what transpired at the booking if there were any problems there. Always very detailed & always written by the officer(s) involved. If there were multiple officers involved, they each wrote a report. This occurred regardless if jurisdiction changed, which it sometimes did. Officers who come later write their own reports based on what they observed & were told. Those officers should identify each person they get a description of events from. But they are not witnesses to what happened. In this situation, Wilson is the only one who can write the original report as he is the only direct observer who can report his observations of the suspect, actions taken by each person, his judgments/ decisions made & why he made them.

              •  i hope you write up a diary! (0+ / 0-)

                we're all guessing, speculating, based on the few facts known.

                but you have the real life experience!

                (don't know why my first sentence is in bold, i did not do any coding.)

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                by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:59:10 AM PDT

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                •  Thank you. But, I live in a different state so ... (0+ / 0-)

                  Thank you. But, I live in a different state so I don't know how useful that would be nor what else I could add. Below someone has included the Missouri statute governing incident report requirements. I understand from MSNBC a couple of days ago that Wilson's attorney probably advised him to not write one. I don't know how that would gel with the statute requirements. It's one thing to hold it private until the grand jury finishes but another to not write one altogether.

                  They (MSNBC) also talked about how unusual it was for the defendant (in this case, Wilson) to testify at a grand jury hearing on the case. I am not an attorney but have been involved with a couple of grand juries during my career. The DA just presents evidence to the jury to see if there is enough cause to do an indictment. It is not the trial. So there is no need to present everything.

                  I have a lot of questions about this case & the process they are going through. I find it interesting that the results of the grand jury won't be available until October. Why then?

                  And how was it that Michael brown went from being at the police car window and then 25 to 50 feet away? If he wasn't running away, how did he get so far from the car? And why an unarmed person (at least michael knew he was unarmed) would then turn & charge a policeman holding a gun who was 25 to 50 feet away?

                  Lots of questions about this case & the process the DA & police dept are following.

                  For one, I am glad the DOJ and FBI are involved.

      •  Do you believe it was turned over (2+ / 0-)
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        KJG52, OleHippieChick

        to the county within that hour or is this something manufactured recently?  I'm confused about the importance (county-local) in relation to the incident report never having been written by the shooter-cop.

      •  Read it ,it says Homicide TWICE....Homicide. (0+ / 0-)

        "This is it ! ~ Nobody gets out of here alive" ~ concepts for living speech 1983

        by Leslie Sole on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:57:12 AM PDT

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  •  Ten days? Hold on a second here. (13+ / 0-)

    The Ferguson PD said they never issued a report because the case was immediately turned over to the county.

    There's no way an incident report took ten days to write.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:30:04 AM PDT

    •  Rather than Keystone Kops, (4+ / 0-)

      this sounds more like Abbott and Costello.  I think each department thought it was the other department's responsibility, so neither did it.

      "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

      by mspicata on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:31:25 AM PDT

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      •  Quite possibly. (3+ / 0-)
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        I demand a higher quality of over-armed goon.

        This is just embarrassing.

        I'm put in mind of this gem by Antonin Scalia:

        Another development over the past half-century that deters civil-rights violations is the increasing professionalism of police forces
        Oh, right. Law enforcement in the St. Louis metro area is just a well-oiled machine, isn't it?

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:51:06 AM PDT

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      •  dON't InsuLT the KEyStonE KOps! (4+ / 0-)
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        kmfmstar, eddiematrix1, ColoTim, KJG52

        They knew how to spell, and type, and could fill out an incident report form.  They were literate, and entertaining, and at least . . . they PERFORMED!

        I'm sorry, but the Ferguson Police Department fails in a number of these categories.

        If Money is Speech, Speech isn't Free! I wonder what it is about that that Antonin Scalia cannot understand?

        by NM Ray on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:03:07 AM PDT

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      •  Unless these are all completely incompetent dep... (0+ / 0-)

        Unless these are all completely incompetent departments, there should be no confusion. Most officers on the scene should write an incident report ( maybe not those directing traffic) but definitely the officer who did the shooting should have written one as he is the only direct witness to what happened. And any immediately responding officers. The reports are major pieces of evidence for court. If it was a justifiable shooting, they provide some protection of the officers involved.

  •  10 days for that? (10+ / 0-)

    That place truly is a messed up place.

    :) the above thoughts come from a crazy mind. ;)

    by Shreve on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:30:18 AM PDT

  •  Here's the section of the (32+ / 0-)

    Missouri statute that defines an incident report:

    "Incident report", a record of a law enforcement agency consisting of the date, time, specific location, name of the victim and immediate facts and circumstances surrounding the initial report of a crime or incident, including any logs of reported crimes, accidents and complaints maintained by that agency;
    It is mandatory under that statute for every law enforcement agency to file an incident report when they are notified of an incident.  Ferguson had to have been notified first and then they called StLCounty PD.  The incident report is a public record and available on demand.  The investigation report can be requested pursuant to legal action.  The DA must go to court to give a reason for not releasing it.

    These people are rabidly insane.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:34:12 AM PDT

  •  Seems like it will be video and multiple witnesses (15+ / 0-)

    against a verbal story Wilson plans to tell at trial with no documentation behind it. Add to that his direct dereliction of duty by failing to provide a statement about an incident involving the use of force.

    The scumbag is doing himself no favors. Maybe there is hope for justice.

    The sinners are much more fun...

    by TrueBlueDem on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:34:50 AM PDT

  •  Replace the stinking prosecutor (8+ / 0-)

    The murder of Michael Brown is not an

    Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

    by deben on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:36:08 AM PDT

  •  So like a WWII Submarine Captain's log (9+ / 0-)

    Sighted Ship, sank same

    Sighted thug, killed same


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    by JML9999 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:41:22 AM PDT

  •  I heard that Darren Wilson will be the next (5+ / 0-)

    News Anchor on Fox News.  

    There is just as much FACT in this Rumor as there is in Darren Wilson's Incident Report on the Homicide of Michael Brown.

    Any further questions?  Direct them to Fox News!

    If Money is Speech, Speech isn't Free! I wonder what it is about that that Antonin Scalia cannot understand?

    by NM Ray on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:42:34 AM PDT

    •  Who here wants to go to lunch with the people who (0+ / 0-)

      donated to George Zimmerman and Michael Brown?

      Raise your hands. Anybody?

      "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

      by Wildthumb on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:51:08 AM PDT

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      •  Michael Brown? (0+ / 0-)

        did you mean Darren Wilson?

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        by gritsngumbo on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 11:03:10 AM PDT

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        •  Holy shit, yes! I've thought about Michael Brown (0+ / 0-)

          so much this week that I couldn't even see my mistake.

          I tried a stupid joke and messed it up big time. :(

          "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

          by Wildthumb on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 03:30:43 PM PDT

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    •  Don't laugh (2+ / 0-)
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      shaharazade, FromRedtoBlue

      This guy is the toast of the wingnut set.  It worked for Mark Furman, after all.

      •  At least he isn't out boasting about he's the (0+ / 0-)

        key to the case.  At least he's keeping quiet and not stoking the flames the way the rest of the police forces are.

      •  Ya'think? (1+ / 0-)
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        Grabber by the Heel

        Furhman was the only person convicted of a felony related to the murder trial of OJ Simpson.

        Had Furhman not lied on the witness stand, the bloody gloves may not have been called into question and OJ could well have been found guilty.  This guy may have been caught spewing racial epithets to become toast of the wing nut set, but he also cost the likely conviction of OJ.

        Had he not retired before accepting his plea deal for perjury, he might have received no pension before moving from sunny LA to the hinterlands of Idaho.

        Officer Wilson may be the toast of the wingnut set, but like George Zimmerman & Mark Furhman,, he will be a pariah in many many places.

        As another kossack asked before, would you want to have lunch with anyone who donated to either George Zimmerman or Officer Wilson?

  •  Each report filed should have some kind of (8+ / 0-)

    sequence number.  In our local community, the report number is issued any time a ticket is issued, a report is made, or an arrest has occurred.  Any report numbers that are skipped are still documented as to why they were skipped.

    If the same holds true in Ferguson, then a missing report number would be significant evidence of malfeasance.

    A person's word used to be their contract, now people use contracts to get out of keeping their word.

    by bitpyr8 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:46:29 AM PDT

  •  If this isn't a reason for (16+ / 0-)

    the DOJ to conduct a wider investigation, I don't know what is.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:50:37 AM PDT

  •  interesting (7+ / 0-)

    It appears the police are more afraid of a perjury conviction than of a murder conviction.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:50:52 AM PDT

  •  There's An Ongoing Investigation By The Grand Jury (3+ / 0-)

    That's their excuse.  Only the Grand Jury gets the facts.

    This is what every politician says when they're  engaging in the old slip & slide.  

  •  Special Prosecutor (5+ / 0-)

    for a federal case gets my vote. Forget the corrupt county. AG Holder has agents who are investigating, collecting witness statements & forensics just like TV agents! The MO Field Office:

    The St Louis FBI is requesting information regarding the shooting incident that occurred on August 9, 2014 at the 2900 block of Canfield Drive in Ferguson, Missouri. If you have any information that could be helpful to the investigation, please contact FBI:

    1-800-225-5324 Option 4
    1-800-CALL FBI   Option 4

    FBI St. Louis
    2222 Market Street
St. Louis, MO 63103

    Phone: (314) 589-2500 
Fax: (314) 589-2636 
    Special Agent in Charge
    William P. Woods
    Assistant Special Agents in Charge
    Daniel A. Netemeyer
    Michael H. Schneider
    Civil Rights webpage

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    by mrobinson on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:55:59 AM PDT

  •  To be honest (3+ / 0-)
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    This looks like a blotter entry and not a full report.  If I would be assigned this incident you could be sure I would have about a ream of paperwork already.

  •  if they had a story they'd've told it by now (12+ / 0-)

    This taking-forever-to-release-info thing might as well be capitulation on the part of the police.

    If they had a legit reason for shooting Michael Brown, they'd have released it by now.  They'd have released it on the first day.  Even if they didn't want to name Darren Wilson yet, they'd still have said "the officer reported being attacked" or whatever.

    The cops are taking so long because they're trying to decide what story they want to tell... because they can't tell the truth.  They're hoping to build a narrative that won't be shot full of holes by the facts... and it's getting pretty obvious at this point.

    I also have a feeling they're worried that more video may surface that would contradict something they've said, so they're hesitant to say anything until they feel sure they have control over everything that could debunk it.

    It's hogwash.  We heard from witnesses on Michael Brown's side the day of the shooting.  There's no reason the cops wouldn't have given their side the same day... if they had an actual defense.   They don't, so they didn't.  

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:57:07 AM PDT

  •  Wow, they have such utter contempt for us all (15+ / 0-)

    and for the truth, and they have no respect for us whatsoever.  And by us, I mean humanity, the HUMAN race.  Of course they acted in a racially-charged prejudicial manner to kill the kid in the first place.  But their actions after the fact amount to nothing more than negligent criminal activity, which display utter contempt for the entire public:  yes, even for fox news viewers and alex jones himself.  If this act was as justified as the wingers believe or claim to believe, why not issue the report which backs up that version?  10 days to release anything is just giving the world the finger!

    If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when? Rabbi Hillel the Elder, Ethics of the Fathers. Corporadeus

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:58:43 AM PDT

    •  The Truth? They can't handle the Truth! (1+ / 0-)
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      mjd in florida

      I expect one of the commanders if not the police chief to get onto the stand and have his own Jack Nicholson moment, if only the prosecutor were as determined as Tom Cruise was.  But we've heard rumors about the loyalties of this prosecutor so I'm not holding my breath.

  •  Although I'm open to alternative accounts (5+ / 0-)

    of what happened and have not completely made up my mind about this awful tragedy, based on what I've read, seen and heard to date and the similarity of this incident to many similar ones in the past, what I and I'm guessing most people here strongly suspect happened is roughly this:

    Cops see young black men walking down middle of street, doing what groups of young men of all skin colors and classes have been doing since the dawn of time when in public, namely, being boisterous and loud, trash-talking, cursing, joking, laughing, trying to come across as tough, intimidating and invincible.

    Cops don't like this, since they were, after all, young, male and black, and, given their appearance and the part of town they were in, likely poor, and to these cops, that's a sign of disrespect, trouble and a violation of the unwritten Jim Crow rules that still apply in much of the country (all of it, really), in which young poor black men aren't supposed to "represent", i.e. be themselves.

    Perhaps these cops also recognized or thought they recognized some of these young black men from previous encounters, negative encounters that put them in what they considered their "troublemaker" category. But to these cops, all young poor black males likely much look and act alike and are to be viewed and treated with the same level of suspicion, contempt and abuse.

    In any case, their sense of "how things oughtta be" and perhaps while male manhood and superiority, plus cop entitlement, violated, they decided to put these young black men in their place, telling them to get back on the sidewalk, be quiet, show IDs, raise their shirts to show they weren't carrying, etc.

    At least one of these young men, Brown, refused to comply, perhaps talking back to these cops "disrespectfully". These cops, enraged by this refusal to go back to picking cotton and kissing massa's fat white ass (or that of his white oberseer), confronted Brown, and the situation escalated, at some point likely getting physical. At which point Brown, realizing his mistake (NEVER touch a cop), started running away, and the cops yelled at him to stop.

    However Brown didn't stop. Which is when the situation took a horrible turn for the worse, as one of these cops drew his weapon and fired at Brown, hitting him at least once, likely on the arm. Brown, realizing he was being fired on and likely hit, turned around, his hands up, to surrender, possibly moving back towards the cops. But rather than let him surrender, this cop continued firing, possibly believing that Brown was about to attack him, hitting Brown several more times on the arm, all survivable, and twice in the head, both not.

    Brown was now down, bleeding profusely from the head and arms. The cops checked his vitals and he expired within minutes. Not knowing what to do--or perhaps knowing precisely what to do--they covered his body, set up a perimeter, and refused to let anyone, including EMS, to approach. At which point they contacted their superiors and began a coverup.

    Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm right but it's more complicated than this. But my gut tells me that this is more or less what happened.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:59:19 AM PDT

  •  What's striking is... (2+ / 0-)
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    shaharazade, OleHippieChick little effort the cops in Ferguson are making to even try to cover this up.

    You don't handle this with a half-assed investigation by a prosecutor who is beholden to the cops.  After the rioting (including the police riot), the governor simply declares a state of emergency and removes the whole police department.  There's not going to be any political comeback.

  •  Can someone post a screenshot of (2+ / 0-)
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    emal, MPociask

    the part of the report that says it was entered on August 19?

    The robbery incident report, which references this one -- same number -- was seemingly filled out on August 13 and printed on August 14.

    That's ... kind of a nice trick, to put it mildly, referencing a report that does not exist yet.  But maybe there's a loophole in the wording.  I can't open the given link here at work; can someone oblige with the screenshot?

    •  This? (2+ / 0-)
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      shaharazade, jdld

      I cast a shadow, therefore, I am. You stand on my shadow, therefore, you are.

      by glb3 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:36:08 AM PDT

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    •  Can't do a screen shot, but ... (1+ / 0-)
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      Eric Nelson

      The newly released report does say it was "entered" on August 19, but at the top of the report the field for "Date/Time Received" says 08/09/2014 12:43 SATURDAY."

      I'm not sure what the "entered" language means. There's also a field at the bottom for "final approval," and that came on 08/20/2014.

      Here's a Scribd link to the report. Maybe you can open this one.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:56:09 AM PDT

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      •  I've seen it above. (2+ / 0-)
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        Received must be when they got the case from Ferguson.  So that makes sense.  Based on analogy I'm guessing "Manager/Entered" is likely the formal first step for completion and approval of the report.  And it was done apparently at the behest of the county prosecutor, no sooner, and contains nothing more than the information they got in the first five minutes. (At least not now it doesn't.  Wonder if they have an audit trail on those puppies.  If I had to bet, it was blank all along though.)  

        You couldn't get a much better indication of the complete lack of interest the department has in pursuing the matter.

  •  Why no details on the policeman? (6+ / 0-)

    No head of state worldwide enjoys the privilege of such privacy as this guy. We now know his name, age and rank. That is it.

    I am beginning to suspect that the Ferguson / St. Louis County Police believe that they are in a (race) war and that they need only give his name, rank and serial number like any POW.

  •  Who, which title, had legal control over the (6+ / 0-)

    the process of incident report writing and filing by the officer involved?  

    Who accepted an incident report  that involved the discharge of a weapon by an officer that was written one week after the incident?  

    Who authorized this delay in filing an incident report?

    Who is authorized to enforce the departmental standards for details described within an incident report made by an officer?  

    Where is the Ferguson Police Department procedural handbook that describes what an officer must do in an incident, and what is required?

    What is the Ferguson Police Department (or St Louis County Police Dept) procedure for reporting a weapons discharge by its officers?

    Where are the interview notes or tapes made with Wilson after the incident?  

    Who was present?

    What time and date did Officer Wilson notify the department that he was seeking legal counsel?  

    Which officers were assigned to investigate the weapon's discharge/homicide committed?

    Compare and contrast the last homicide incident report (committed by an officer or by a civilian) filed by the reporting officer with this incident report, for the Ferguson Police Department and for the St Louis County Police Department.  Why the difference?  Who is responsible for authorizing the acceptance of this incident report?  

    What is the procedural time requirement between an incident and the filing of an incident report?  Did this meet this requirement?  If not, why not?  Who authorized this time frame?

    The incident report is just one piece of this.  Where are the rest?

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    by Uncle Moji on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:06:15 AM PDT

  •  Didn't he lay there (2+ / 0-)
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    On the ground for something like four hours? And they don't have a detailed report. That just adds insult to injury. It amazes me, with all the scrutiny, they think that they can get away with this. The St Louis County Police and the city police departments in that county. Must have acted with totally immunity for so long, it has become 2nd nature to them. This is like a child crumbs on her lips cookie not even chewed or swallowed, shaking her head no. When caught eating a cookie. Except this is about a man's life. And they don't have a clue.

    •  They think they can get away with it... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...because they probably will.  

      Zimmerman was a free-lance vigilante and walked.  No way an actual policeman is going down for this.

      Sad, but true.

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      by SLKRR on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:25:39 AM PDT

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  •  Through the smoke. (0+ / 0-)

    We know that 2 witnesses observed him wrestling with Brown from inside is car and that Wilson shot him from inside his car. This really is the most important piece of evidence and could have...should have been determined from the beginning. Any investigator that ever even watched CSI or Law and Order knows how easy it is to determine if a weapon was fired inside a car. Additionally, determining that one of Brown's wounds was fired at point blank is a no-brainer as well. Not to mention the angle from which it was fired. The fact that this has not been disclosed leads me to conclude that
    these things did, in fact, occur and it is now just "rally around the family" time.

    Procedure dictates that when engaging 2 male suspects that he believed could overpower him Officer Wilson should have called for assistance. This would have led to his arrest if applicable for the robbery. He should have ID'd them, just like every single cop in this country ALWAYS does even for the most ridiculous of reasons. He could have cited him for jaywalking. All of these procedures are what ALL cops do. But he did none of these things. Instead he played God. He played the bully and "strong-armed" a 250+ lb man into the confines of his patrol car, thereby ignoring about 50 years of police procedure and negating all of the physical advantage he had. In short, he acted like a stupid arrogant rookie and I am sure he immediately regretted it. Pulling his weapon was the only thing he COULD do.

    Brown ran because he was already shot. NOBODY would do any different, period. It's better to go to prison than die. At that point, Wilson could have let him run if he was so afraid. He could have called for assistance. Where was he gonna go? The hospital. Catching him at that point was inevitable. But Wilson didn't do those things either. So maybe Brown did decide to charge him. Talk to any loudmouth at any bar in America with beer induced bravado and you will here the same old shit. "If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die fighting."

    Bottom line. Wilson set in motion every single event that eventually led to the death of a human being. In this country, that is manslaughter. It is depraved indifference.

    Everyone already knows he will not be charged with this crime. It is just another nail in the coffin of the police profession and the authorities and pulblic are both wittingly and unwittingly bringing about it's death.

    RIP Civilian Law Enforcement.    

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    by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:14:37 AM PDT

    •  We have pseudomilitary law enforcement now (1+ / 0-)
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      The next step will be paramilitary law enforcement -- i.e. corporate military goons like Blackwater Xe Academi Constellis.

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      by atana on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:41:43 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. Was working on a diary but this will do. (0+ / 0-)

        The inertia of errors erodes the public trust to a degree that leads to psychopaths waging war on police. Scoped rifles with silencers are very easy to obtain now. IED's and such. Police having to wear full combat gear to write tickets, save kittens, etc....

        But what about when they are off duty? What about their dependents? The only answer to that is a secure compound. Razor wire and armed checkpoints. Living their daily existence from a PX and commissary. Elementary through High School and theaters to entertain. Senior and junior ranking clubs for drinking and dancing and eating.  

        In short, a military base. And when they leave that base they are deployed into what they will describe as a hostile civilian population. What else can they do?

        And most of them will wind up one day did we get to this?

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        by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:00:57 AM PDT

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    •  TV v. Reality (not to be confused w/"Reality TV") (0+ / 0-)
      Any investigator that ever even watched CSI or Law and Order knows how easy it is to determine if a weapon was fired inside a car.
      Any investigator that ever even watched CSI or Law & Order knows how little those shows represent how things really work or what tools are really routinely available. Sort of like every owner of a self-storage facility knows that Storage Wars is bunk. They are all television shows and neither CSI or Law & Order even claim to be "reality".
      Procedure dictates that when engaging 2 male suspects that he believed could overpower him Officer Wilson should have called for assistance.
      That may be the case (are Ferguson Police Department's procedures posted online somewhere?), but I doubt it's followed with extreme rigor in practice. Any casual encounter with almost anyone could result in the officer being overpowered (or, simply killed) and hence result in a call for assistance under such a policy -- which likely couldn't be provided within the budget. Officers have to make judgements, almost always with incomplete information (much of which may become available to them after the fact).

      According to what appears to be Wilson's version, he didn't realize Brown was likely a suspect in the robbery a few minutes earlier until after after his initial contact with Brown and Johnson. I'm sure that even in Beverly Hills [where, in my personal experience, they have lots of cops with too much time on their hands :(], a cop doesn't wait for backup before telling a couple punks to get off the street and walk on the sidewalk where it's safe and legal.

      I suspect that had Wilson realized before the initial contact that Brown was likely a suspect in the robbery, he would have suspected that Brown was likely violent and dangerous (as he obviously was) and acted completely differently. I think it's likely would have called for backup and likely been out of the car before engaging if he chose to engage alone before backup arrived. Similarly, if Brown had not just committed a strong arm robbery and likely assumed that this police encounter might result in his first adult conviction and visit to prison, he probably would have just given the standard lip to the officer and gotten off the street and the situation would never have even had a report or record (I doubt that Ferguson police, even if the "policy" requires it, spend time documenting every time they interact with someone to give them common sense advice consisting of one sentence).

      Ferguson has a fairly high (well below Detroit but much higher than Plano, TX) crime rate but not a correspondingly high police:resident ratio. It's probably impossible for the police to respond to every encounter with the massive presence that they would like to in order to maximize officer safety. The very fact that Wilson, as far as I can tell having heard no mention of another officer in the car, was alone in the car suggests that Ferguson doesn't have an embarrassing excess of police resources.

      I look forward to seeing all the evidence, statements, etc. We really have no idea what video exists of the incident, how many eyewitnesses there were, or what those eyewitnesses reported. Most of the stories we have heard on both sides seem a little suspect in some dimension.

      •  Right. A Ferguson PD fan/employee couldn't (0+ / 0-)

        have put it any better. You're certainly right about TV vs. reality. No argument. But checking for gun shot residue is so old it is done in the field. Witness says he shot from the car, he either did or he didn't. There will either be residue on the victim's shirt or there won't. It really is that routine. Attacking witnesses and victim credibility aside, that is the witness testimony and THAT is what the police should be concerned with because that is where their veteran officer would have surely screwed the pooch. Nullifying those witnesses  testimony would be the first order of business. Attacking the victims credibility is as sure a sign as any that those results were not favorable.  

        "That may be the case (are Ferguson Police Department's procedures posted online somewhere?)"

        Really? LOL...that is the lamest statement I've heard in awhile. Sure maybe the Ferguson PD procedures are completely divorced from that of the rest of the world. Feel free to research that. All the hours of training, backup procedures, and the thousands of dollars of equipment are there to give a police officer the crucial moments necessary to deal with dangerous situations with exactly the amount of force necessary to contain it. Without getting hurt or hurting innocent people. ]

        That is what makes law enforcement a profession. And yes, those are procedures for any law enforcement agency. From State to County to City. That is how they survive. That is how they are held accountable. They are tried and true and if what the witnesses have said really happened, then it was his own dumb ass for violating the rules.

        We do know of two eye witnesses and they have already testified on video. Checking their stories would likely have been the first order of business. But that bombshell didn't drop, so...

        My guess, you'll be waiting a long time and it won't make anymore sense than it does now.

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        by nutherhumanbeing on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 01:49:46 PM PDT

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        •  Do keep in mind... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...that we have no idea if there were other witnesses or even video of the scene.

          We've only heard from those witnesses that chose to go to the press. We don't even know what those witnesses may have told the FBI when they were informed that making false statements to a Federal Official is, itself, a serious crime (Martha Stewart style).

          There may be other witnesses who didn't talk to the press (perhaps either they felt it was irresponsible to do so, as I think it is, or because they feared for their own well being given the potential of violence). These witnesses, if they exist, may collaborate the stories of those that have talked, or may have a different version (perhaps because they had a different angle or saw/noticed/heard things that the known witnesses didn't or because some are interpolating, perhaps unintentionally, portions of their stories). Eyewitnesses are not, generally, extremely reliable even when they are very well intentioned.

          Checking all the witnesses stories early is, I agree, critical and should be done early while they still remember the scene and can be asked additional questions if stories conflict in some way. I have no reason to believe this is, or is not, being done.

          I've just seen too many cases that were tried in the press and turned out that the press had the wrong answer once the details actually came out. Therefore, I reserve judgement.

          •  I can see that your just seeking to calm all us (0+ / 0-)

            simple folk into reason and wait for the real evidence to surface for the sake of true justice. I'm sure you're completely objective. In fact, I would say objectivity in this matter seems to be your obsession. We amateurs, who like to engage in our own assessments must be so amusing to you. It's good we have you to remind us that the authorities will provide us with the facts in due time and we should all just stop talking about things we don't know. After all, it's always been so in the past, right?

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            by nutherhumanbeing on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:55:39 AM PDT

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  •  police are disgusting (0+ / 0-)

    I lost all my respect for them.

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    by noofsh on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:24:27 AM PDT

  •  Let me see if I get this straight (4+ / 0-)

    So last Monday august 18, many days after the shooting august 9, they released a detailed 19 page "robbery "incident report that referenced 2 other report numbers, the one cited in this post- 43984 and also another one....12391.

    Two of incidents ( robbery and shooting) occurred on the same exact day allegedly minutes apart, YET this one (43984) is just filed/ approved now and is essentially blank compared to

    And that still begs the question from me as in that convenient store incident "robbery" report, they also referenced #2014- 12391.

    Have we seen that one and if so where is that one? Is that lost? Who filed that?
    They are really taking us all for chumps...thoroughly disgusted at how brazenly arrogant they are trying to cover their tracks.

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    by emal on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:24:31 AM PDT

  •  Maybe they don't have procedures (1+ / 0-)
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    or training. Maybe the cops can take shortcuts because they are not really trained cops, they are a lawless gang. They roam Ferguson as thugs, like prison guards unafraid of consequences because there is no leader, no rules to control them.  

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    by mrobinson on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:43:48 AM PDT

  •  WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL? (0+ / 0-)

    I think it is obvious this is not the 1st Incident Report filed. This appears to be a super clean version they decided could be released.

  •  Are there no laws? (0+ / 0-)

    This is what I've been asking since the start of this shooting!

    Are there not actual laws in place that describe the protocol police personnel are required to follow in the event of incident, an arrest, a traffic stop, a car accident...anything?

    Private citizens are required by law to do certain things when an incident occurs, this must be pertain to police offers as well! Is it not? How can it be legal that a human being seriously injures another human being and there is no verifiable information gathered to explain the encounter? Just because one of the humans involved is a police officer, that cannot negate the requirements to follow applicable procedures to ensure that each and every citizen's rights are afforded them!

    What next? How will the truth be uncovered? Who will be held responsible? Someone needs to go jail! If I, an ordinary citizen, was involved in a car accident, and police willfully decided not to take a statement and send me on my way, not only would they be negligent in performing their duty, they would be guilty of obstructing justice, accessory after the fact...crimes! What if I shot and killed someone? Even in my home, with obvious evidence of a break-in, a beating, a rape...but no statement taken? Again, not only dereliction of duty, but criminal actions!!

    So, what are "the powers that be" going to do about this? I want to know! I want to know who to go to when the police are not required to follow the law.

    If this is accepted, there will be no justice, no truth, no civility, for any of us!!
    Please! Somebody explain this to me!

    Forget about any justice for Michael Brown...a jury will not have any evidence to prove or disprove Officer Wilson's account of the event. The department made sure of that!

    Shit had better hit the fan, or shit is really gonna hit the fan and it will look nothing like justice!!!
    •  Many/most processes would likely only be... (0+ / 0-)

      ...covered by policy and procedures, not by black letter statutory law. As well, the smaller the department, the less likely they are to have extensive policies (and no policy can cover every contingency).

      It's impractical to encode every detail in statutory law which require weeks if not months to change due to public hearings, review, etc. The more detailed the policies, the more often they need to be amended to address oversights and/or changing conditions.

      For example, suppose the law/policy stated that a patrol officer's badge must be "visible" but, in practice, officers are putting it on their belt where it's visible but not prominent and difficult to actually read unless you are three feet tall. Changing the law/policy to say that patrol officers must wear their badges on their left breast pocket if not wearing a jacket and on their jacket over their left breast pocket if they are wearing a jacket isn't something efficiently dealt with by going the City Council - it's best dealt with by policy, not law.

      This is not unlike the IRS making regulations, policies, and issuing opinion letters to implement much less detailed statutory law. Sometimes these are asserted to be in violation of the statutory law and things end up in court (see Halbig), but the vast majority don't.

      •  Are there no laws? (0+ / 0-)

        Your reply sounds like you know this for certain, but it doesn't sound plausible that the shooting/killing of someone by police authority would not have actual laws that apply to that incident, that requires following a specific protocol! There must be consequences, legally binding consequences in failing to adhere to these laws...especially when the conduct is willful!

        I can understand, from department to department, differing procedures in place for mundane activities, say maybe the process to request time off, or the forms used to collect overtime pay...those types of issues, but a killing? Say even a workplace injury to an officer! There must be some actual laws in place they have to follow; specific protocol and procedure because, without which, for example, there would be no way to protect the city, the department, even other officers from false accusations, or disputed workers compensation claims, or lawsuits...There must be!

        Like the examples in my first post, regardless of whether or not someone is a police officer, if a person shoots and kills another person, they are required, by law, to give, at a minimum, a written account (preferably video and audio recorded) of what transpired. They can request legal representation to advise them, but it is not legal, no way-no how, that nothing be documented when a person is killed!

        The fact that multiple media modalities have been requesting the incident report with Officer Wilson's explanation of how this shooting transpired, as if there is state-wide procedure for officer involved killings. Now, the world-wide shock being voiced concerning the release of the so-called incident report that is dated 10 days after the killing and does not include the Officer involved's account of what happened, also leads me to believe that laws have been broken! I don't understand why no one is being held responsible, legally for what is clearly a cover-up by the Ferguson police unit!

        I don't know how you came to your conclusions, but I won't believe it without some proof of accuracy. Thanks anyway, for responding though!

  •  10 days; with the decision to remain silent.. (1+ / 0-)
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    ..having been decided moments after the shooting.

    Darren Wilson pacing back and forth next to Michael Brown's body was probably when this scared to shit cop first began trying to figure out what his story was going to be.
    Code of Silence: Police Shootings and the Right to Remain Silent Golden Gate Law Review | 9/17/2010

    The most significant judicial limitation of deadly force occurred with the Supreme Court's 1985 decision holding that deadly force cannot be used to prevent the escape of an unarmed fleeing felon.

    12 Concluding that "[i]t is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape,"

    13 Justice White's majority ruling noted that it was constitutionally unreasonable to shoot a fleeing suspect "[ w]here the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do SO.,

     - emphasis added

    This 10 day time period with zero incident report - imo - shows pretty plainly that the officials knew this was a bad shooting and began preparing for the guilty officer's defense  strategy.
    An incident report was never part of that plan.

    Darren Wilson was never going to fill out a report that proved his own guilt.

     • Michael Brown was fleeing - and shot while fleeing

     • Michael was shot and killed while no threat after he stopped fleeing

     • Officer Darren Wilson then made zero attempt to preserve the crime scene, and in fact corrupted it.

     • Darren Wilson made the collection of evidence impossible: his vehicle for prints; gun for (Michael Brown prints - alleged struggle with weapon) etc.

    It seems to me that this is a classic case of the "code of silence" and to remain silent in full knowledge that the officer would be defending against charge a wrongful shooting at best, murder or even hate crime killing in the  worst case

    Thx Barbara Morrill

    •  Conclusion (0+ / 0-)
      V. CONCLUSION(pdf)

      The code of silence following on-duty shootings raises an
      important constitutional question concerning the conflict between public duty and individual rights.

      Some argue that the current practice of conferring use immunity strikes an appropriate balance between the government's need for information and the police officer's constitutional rights.

      In using deadly force, however, the police officer was not exercising an individual constitutional right but was instead acting as an instrumentality of the state. Accordingly, those officers who choose to exercise this immense power should be publicly accountable for the use of force.

      Such accountability is consistent with current law (constitutional, statutory, and administrative) and likewise accords with sound public policy principles.

      To deny the wisdom of such practices and principles would lead inevitably to a parade of horribles, one in which police misconduct of all kinds - from coverups to unlawful killings - would be tolerated and even encouraged.

      A code of silence would thus become synonymous with a code of tyranny.

  •  A quote from TIME (1+ / 0-)
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    Schellman said that under the Missouri State “Sunshine” Law, the department was not required to release the information during a pending investigation. As a result, Wilson’s account of what happens will remain confidential unless it is presented by a prosecutor, Schellman said.

    “We will not release it,” said Schellman, who noted that this is the county’s normal procedure. “This isn’t any different than a typical larceny from a local convenience store.”

    That's Brian Schellman, a spokesman for the St. Louis County police department.

    Yeah, because there's no way the police would release publicly all material related to a typical larceny from a local convenience store, right?

    •  Wasn't the video... (0+ / 0-)

      ...released by the city not the county? They each may have different procedures (the county, I suspect, has more detailed procedures).

      Both policies may be within the law but be different.

  •  See, the problem is that the FPD didn't get a M... (0+ / 0-)

    See, the problem is that the FPD didn't get a Men In Black memory flash wiper when they got all their military gear so Officer Wilson had to forget events the old fashioned way by going on a Hangover style bender for a week so when he went to fill out the report he could honestly say he has no memory of the event. Of course this also means Wilson has way more than just weed in his system and that at some point he stole a polar bear from Mike Tyson's home. That's why it took ten days and is blank, the officer got so wasted he can't remember anything from that day other than feeling immensely threatened by an unarmed teenager on his knees, yards away from him. Hmmm, maybe Wilson needed a drug test to see if he was on day 16 of a no sleep meth bender. If TV is right--and when has it ever been wrong--being that sleep deprived on meth could make a giggling three year old seem like a growling demon from hell so a surrendering, not near him teenager could have appeared as Godzilla trying to register people to vote, which would have scared the white sheet out of him.

  •  OK policeman did several things wrong (0+ / 0-)

    OK logic, no details because some police procedures have been broken.

    First off you are supposed to capture the Quote criminal alive. That is the protect part of protect and serve.
    The penalty for shoplifting is not death. Also you assumed to be not guilty until proven guilty.
    First off is the struggle at the car. There is no way that he could have gotten to the officers gun in his holster on the right side . Try it with a play gun and your car. The officer is in the way and can easily stop you because you are stretched out  OK he is endanger there. Now he knows brown has no gun or why would he try for the officers. He could have just shot the guy in the car if brown had one.

    Once brown starts running he is no longer a threat and he was shot at with his back turned. that is against police procedure. Since brown ran out in the street the officer should have followed him in the car and called for backup so he would not be endanger trying to stop brown.

    Next he stops 40 feet away because he is running while the officer get out of the car.
    So the officer is closing the ground and looks like brown starts forward. Think about it when
    you drive a car and are breaking fast. SO the officer shoots while his hands are going up, not once but 4 or more times. Well he could have shot him in the thigh and he could not possibly be endanger. Your not suppose to kill and guy that did some shoplifting, Also the officer is not sure he has the right guy.

    OH he will say i saw a gun. Well none was present. so he can not say he sees one He could not have been endanger from 20 to 15 feet.

    Well he violated several police procedures.

    Ya he the policeman is guilty by the eye witnesses accounts and they do not very much.

    Also it is the first time in a very long while the policeman got to testify during a grand jury to see if criminal charges are needed.

    They are covering up lots of things. You see if you do not fill out the form you can not be responsible for what you wrote down. You can't find fault on nothing there.

    Ya the Police are cover things up.

    The media is now trying to say he was PCP,.
    Well the autopsy will tell the truth.

    All in all the policeman used deadly force when he did not have to.


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    by RSGmusic on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:44:23 AM PDT

  •  Incident reports must be filed (0+ / 0-)

    reporting any unusual activity while on duty. That being the case there should be reports filed by every officer that responded to the shooting of Brown on record with the city of Ferguson.
    I am quite sure that Ferguson has those reports but knowing the shit storm coming they refuse to release them. Now we hear that the prosecutor wants that info held confidential until trial. The idiocy in not releasing public documents is just one more way for the police to screw the public.

    No country can be both ignorant and free - Thomas Jefferson

    by fjb on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 11:35:39 PM PDT

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