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Michael Brown’s execution in Ferguson, Missouri, by police officer Darren Wilson presented a national learning platform. The facts are rather simple: two young black men were walking in the street and were approached by a cop. An altercation occurred. An unarmed Michael Brown ran away. Officer Darren Wilson pursued him, pumping at least six bullets into Michael Brown, including two in the head.

Who was the violent person here showing a propensity to kill indiscriminately?

Because of their lived experience, most black and brown people were not shocked by this occurrence. The empathy and reality-based understanding of many white people were not shocked by this occurrence either. Sadly, that empathy and reality-based understanding seem to only occur in 37 percent of white people.

One must ask the simple question: Why? Most human beings are good people. Most human beings want to be fair. Most importantly, most human beings want to survive—and they want to survive in comfort and security. In an unequal world in which a particular class extracts most of the wealth from a society, peons are made to fight for what is left.

More below the fold.

The method of aggregate selection enforced by the puppeteers is easily manipulated via racial differences. If one can make that different race an "other," then it is not difficult to build a complete narrative around it. The narrative is that black and brown people are violent and lazy and one must protect themselves from them.

Of course, very few whites understand the systemic denial of comparable access to wealth and success afforded to them simply on the basis of their skin color. The following snippet from Judy Helfand is probative:

Newly freed African Americans, denied any opportunities to own land in the South, turned to the new territories of Kansas, Indiana, and Illinois. Many thousand immigrated and found places for themselves, although most did not have the financial resources necessary to homestead. The immigration was organized into a movement. At its peak 98,000 African Americans were planning to immigrate. Faced with the loss of their workforce, the Southern planters moved to prevent the exodus. They used a combination of murder, threat, harassment, and denial of passage across the Mississippi. On the other end, whites prevented the Black immigrants from landing or drove them out of town. Southern whites and other white immigrants moving into the territories were not bothered, demonstrating that it was not a lack of land that prompted the hostility to Black settlers but an aversion to living among Black settlers as equals. The right of homesteading was to remain a white privilege, enforced through white violence. Northern commercial interests also wanted to retain black labor for the south.
Why is this mentioned in piece about media misrepresentation about black men? The answer is simple. First, it is important to understand the genesis of conditions. Secondly, it is important to note that in most of the discourse, these realities are rarely covered in the media.

The response to this horrific event, as CNN's Candy Crowley put it, is a placebo conversation. It makes one feel good that the issue is being addressed. Jesse Williams correctly puts the onus on the media for their coverage of black and brown people in a "less than" manner. It makes their treatment antiseptic in nature. How is it that a dead black kid's body left on the street in the hot sun for hours is not a huge story of desecration to another human being?

What is left out of the discussion is that consciously or unconsciously, the media has been an effective tool. It's used to demonize "others"—and specifically black and brown men, and serves an important purpose in our society—to prevent harmonious integration of all people. Darren Wilson is just a hateful scared pawn in the game. As my friend, minister Charlotte Vaughan Coyle, puts it:

When fear and prejudice is given a gun, it’s not just our children who are in danger; it’s all of us. But when this kind of fear is given both a gun and a badge then – yes - it is high time for prophetic challenge and peaceful protest.

And so in the meantime, while we watch and wait for the vision to become reality, things continue to be painful, messy and chaotic. Maybe one reason why is because the oil and water of fear and hope continue to keep us fragmented - both within our society and within each of us. Maybe because we are all at the same time good and bad, light and dark, hopeful and fearful.

Remember, it is the emulsification of oil and water that is feared most by those in power, because they require our division to retain that undeserved.

The media is but one of their tools—but a most effective one.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:00 PM PDT.

Also republished by Black Kos community.

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  •  and history retains more than passing resemblance (16+ / 0-)

    in how sprawl develops although the terms are more variegated

    Southern whites and other white immigrants moving into the territories were not bothered, demonstrating that it was not a lack of land that prompted the hostility to Black settlers but an aversion to living among Black settlers as equals. The right of homesteading was to remain a white privilege, enforced through white violence. Northern commercial interests also wanted to retain black labor for the south.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:11:27 PM PDT

    •  Exactly. (17+ / 0-)

      I've always operated under the assumption that to a lot of people "good schools" is really just code for "white schools."  Sprawl originally started happening because of school desegregation, which meant that white people could no longer live in (relatively) close proximity to black people and also keep their children in separate schools, so this provided the impetus for whites to flee to new developments on the periphery of the metropolitan area.  When some black and brown people got the means to move to the new suburbs, whites responded by moving even further out.  And lather, rinse, repeat.  These days in many metropolitan areas whites have largely abandoned the suburbs of yesteryear and the "periphery" of the metropolitan area is an hour's drive (or more) from the central city.

      30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:40:58 PM PDT

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      •  And now who's stuck as gas prices rise? (9+ / 0-)

        Seriously, the desire to exclude or escape black people has put whites in some areas in a real box.  They live in the exurbs with no public transit and long distances as gas prices rise and fuel may at some point be scarce.  Atlanta is a real case in point where the mass transit system avoided several white counties by their choice, resulting in a car-centered culture for them that periodically snarls.  And then any reasonable discussion of urban planning founders because of wacko conspiracy theories about UN Agenda 21.  Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

        Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

        by Mimikatz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:53:12 PM PDT

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  •  Tipped Recc'd and Shared (13+ / 0-)

    Thanks, Egberto, for this diary and especially for mentioning Candy Crowley's "placebo" metaphor.  I wish more folks took that to heart - because it seemed like just for once she was not just the highly controlled, disciplined reporter that she is - but also a human being.

    America: just admit that you still don't want your Black citizens to live in any state other than terror, subservience and inferiority, under pain of death. I can handle American racism, but I can't handle American denial.

    by shanikka on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:24:30 PM PDT

  •  The Well Coiffed news readers seems to me to be (3+ / 0-)
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    the biggest offenders vs the youngins on MSNBC

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:27:52 PM PDT

  •  Why (1+ / 0-)
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    Why did the officer choose these two young black men to confront?

    •  Because they were walking (18+ / 0-)

      down the middle of the street, and it gave him a chance to harass them.
      This happens all day, every day across the US, even to 12 year old boys checking the mail:

      According to a lawsuit filed in 2012 in Missouri federal court, Justin Cosma and another officer, Richard Carter, approached a 12-year-old boy who was checking the mailbox at the end of his driveway in June 2010. Cosma was an officer with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office at the time, the lawsuit states. The pair asked the boy if he'd been playing on a nearby highway, and he replied no, according to the lawsuit.

      Then, the officers "became confrontational" and intimidated the child, the lawsuit claims. "Unprovoked and without cause, the deputies grabbed [the boy], choked him around the neck and threw him to the ground," it says. The boy was shirtless at the time, and allegedly "suffered bruising, choke marks, scrapes and cuts across his body."

      Then there was a woman and her four children in a burgundy Nissan  who were pulled over by police looking for 4 black males in a tan or beige Toyota:

      Police say they confused Barbour's car for the suspects' since she got off at the same exit the caller said the other car drove down.
      So when she was pulled over the police were extremely defensive, and yelled out: 'Driver, let me see your hands! Everybody stick their hands out the window!'
      Barbour listened to the police's instructions and walked out of her car, but she was confused and continued to ask why she was being arrested.
      Police then told her that they got a complaint that a vehicle 'matching your description and your license plate' was waiving a gun.
      Eventually Barbour's 6-year-old son gets out of the car with his hands raised and the officers lower their weapon, realizing the mistake.
      The officers then walk up to the vehicle to reassure the children that everything is fine.
      'Are we going to jail?' one of the children asks.
      'No. No one is going to jail,' an officer answers.  
      'Hey, stop crying. It’s okay. It’s okay. Everything’s fine now,' an officer adds

      If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

      by skohayes on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:46:05 PM PDT

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  •  Awesome, as always (12+ / 0-)

    EW.  I do not understand how anyone who considers themselves a human being can be anything other than mortified at the treatment of black men and boys in the USA.  Especially as this treatment is being condoned by the same "2%" who also want to deprive women of their reproductive rights,  trap college students in debt w/ student loans as is currently done, and on and on.  There IS and "Us against Them," but a large number of people who think they are in the "Us" group are ignorant of the fact they are really a mere "Them."

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:33:41 PM PDT

    •  Look at the Depth and Amount of Surpris Right Here (6+ / 0-)

      even among people who know it at least in some theoretical way.

      THen as they begin to come to grips with the facts of the treatment, they're still thinking in white world terms of "friend vs foe."

      They don't have the concept of "valueless." Maybe that's why the casual drop-of-hat police assassination of teh Powell fellow largely dropped out of the discussion. It's really difficult for a lot of liberal and intellectual Americans to conceive of utter inconsequentiality.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:41:37 PM PDT

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    •  Some is based on fear, on resentment and on a (1+ / 0-)
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      Desire to avoid confronting that this country is based on expropriation of land and slavery and segregation whose consequences are still present today.  White elites have forever practiced divide-and-conquer strategies that keep poor whites and blacks apart and middle class people from allying with poorer people.  Part of the endemic economic insecurity is to make people more fearful and more easily manipulated.

      Add to this our glorification of individualism and predatory capitalism and the conflation of communitarianism and communism that happened in the '50s and probably well before and we have a very unnourishing society in which people are taught NOT to care about each other and basically left to sink or swim on their own.  Unless, of course, their parents made a fortune which they are able to increase and pass down due to tax avoidance strategies.  

      Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

      by Mimikatz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:00:40 PM PDT

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  •  Cop should have been beaten, it's not to late. (1+ / 3-)
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    Cop should have been beaten, it's not to late.

  •  The danger to the 1% (12+ / 0-)

    comes when white people realize that they have much more in common with Michael Brown than with Darren Wilson, the latter being a mere "useful idiot" to the 1%.

    30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:42:16 PM PDT

  •  my sources tell me (5+ / 0-)

    that fox is a racist bigoted sensational news purveyor of false and biased info meant to mislead and confuse the public about the reality of the all situations in america today, my sources are my eyes, ears, and brain.

  •  Without the media... (8+ / 0-)

    How would we know what they want us to think?

    This is one of the understood if unstated reasons to destroy net neutrality, not just for profits but also for control of narratives. Every time some ordinary person posts a video on the web that contradicts the 'official' version of events or threatens the desired narrative, the powers that be get their knickers in a twist.

    They don't like that. (Example right here.)

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:45:13 PM PDT

  •  I often ask white people in a discussion on racism (8+ / 0-)

    what they heard about black people from the people around them as they were growing up. Very few whites have escaped some form of racism against black people (and Latinos, and Asians) in their formative years, and that means their early conditioning stays with them "informing" their present attitudes, opinions, emotions, and judgments. You can't simply shed it like a garment. (In Marshall McLuhan's words in another context, racism "is tatooed on our skins.")

    I didn't escape racist attitudes growing up (some of it, from the Pittsburgh Italians I came up from, was vicious) but the difference is I spent time exploring my own upbringing, and I became convinced that whites have to drop their defensiveness, admit that most of us carry some form of racism around all the time, and start being committed to getting rid of it. (Yes, the men I grew up were racist. Yes, I absorbed it gowing up, even though I didn't ask for it. The women were "quieter" about it, but in collusion.)

    I don't know if the most virulent, aggressive racists can be swayed, but there are many younger whites who can be reached, I think. The fact that people of color and many whites are now intermarrying will help. My nephews simply don't carry around the attitudes my generation did. I don't hear it from them the way I often heard it from my uncles and other adults when I was a kid. I think there should be early training even in preschool and kindergarten to ensure some of these attitudes are headed off and kids can be encouraged to be allies rather than adversaries.

    I've mentioned national workshops on racism led by the best leaders in America, both white and black, but I know that ain't gonna happen. But it should.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:49:51 PM PDT

    •  This so important (2+ / 0-)
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      I didn't escape racist attitudes growing up (some of it, from the Pittsburgh Italians I came up from, was vicious) but the difference is I spent time exploring my own upbringing, and I became convinced that whites have to drop their defensiveness, admit that most of us carry some form of racism around all the time, and start being committed to getting rid of it.
      •  That's it. Even many progressives here seem to (2+ / 0-)
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        exhibit some defensiveness here. I just say start by admitting it to get started: "Yes, I was raised racist," and see
        "what comes up" for you as you explore your own upbringing.  (And yes, I know that some of the racism we're carrying around isn't the same kind of racism
        exhibited by people in Ferguson or on social media, where the racism is ugly, vicious, and even proud.)

        And further, speaking of progressives, I'd still like to see workshops on racism at Netroots Nation. They haven't happened yet.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:36:47 PM PDT

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    •  Texas Holdem on K-12 text books (0+ / 0-)

      As long as we have a Texas white wing editorial cartel that controls what becomes published in school books that are used all over the US in public school systems simply because Texas buys the most K-12 text books...hmmm...well I am just saying.

      •  I'm talking about what individual teachers and (1+ / 0-)
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        school districts can do to introduce sensitivity to other people in a simple way to young kids. I think it's worth pushing.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:56:21 PM PDT

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    •  I was weird then (2+ / 0-)
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      because I was raised without hearing any racist comments until I was in high school.  At that point my father had remarried and I heard his new wife say something about a black man she knew being a "good man" and that "he knew his place".  My father was mortified.  We were taught that people are to be respected regardless of race, religion, etc.  I realize now that that was not the norm in my generation (I'm 55).

      I had identical twin sons and "color coded" them by the time they were a few months old - one always had blue on and the other red even if it was just the shoe laces in their shoes in order for people to be able to recognize which was which.  It soon expanded to cups, toothbrushes and nearly everything else.  When they were in day care (a church-affiliated day care but not my church) there were several kids of color - black, brown and asian - in their group.  When I picked them up one day when they were 4 and  they told me they had learned "Jesus loves the little children whether yellow black or white...".  I wondered if they had developed any racial awareness at that point so I asked "what color are you"?  And got the answer, with some indignation at my denseness, "we're red and blue Mom!"

    •  Italian family (0+ / 0-)

      Serious racism- My grandma called black people "MullinJohns" (SP?) which means Eggplant in Italian. She was incredibly prejudiced and feared any "other" whether it was human or just ideas she didn't understand. Now, she was born in 1910 and never got past the 6th grade in school and had 13 siblings; so I had learned over the years to give her the benefit of the doubt (she passed in 2000).

      Oddly enough, it was my Grandpa (and through him, my mother) who "taught" me about racism by example.
      One day, when we were leaving his family run business, I asked him why he seemed to employ members of the same family having just met the third brother of the family currently in his employ. They were 1st generation US born from Puerto Rican immigrants. He told me two reasons- one was they lived in the neighborhood where his primary -business was located, and that they always made sure his establishment was never broken into (maybe a form of "protection"?); but secondly, he mentioned that when he was young, Italians were looked down upon "much like black people today"-he pointedly said; and that he thought it was his responsibility as a businessman to make sure new immigrants had opportunities that he didn't have.

      He then told me a story that during WWII he worked for GE making searchlights and his mentor was German- "Imagine what people thought about us during the war since we were fighting both Germany and Italy",he said. He then told me, in his opinion that I should learn that all people are the same inside, that everyone wants the same things in life, good family, food to eat, a house to go home to at night etc.

      Looking back, I was blessed to have an elder such as him and in fact, probably am not as "color-blind" as he was. I am aware that as "progressive" as I am, sometimes I fall into the "be wary in this neighborhood" trope as well as feeling somewhat uncomfortable around young black men even when the conversation heads toward topics such as sports or music, which I am normally at my most comfortable when around people.

      I have called Mark Thompson's show on the sattelite radio, told the story of my grandfather with the searchlights and asked what people like me can do about the "silent racism" in America and he said just keep pointing out what I wrote above regarding my grandfather.

      The older I get, the more I realize how ingrained prejudice and racism can be. Is it worse now than when I was young (born in early 1960s), or has it just morphed into something different?

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable-John F. Kennedy

      by TexasTwister on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:09:03 PM PDT

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  •  This is probably a terrible thing to say, (11+ / 0-)

    but it seems the treatment the media got from the police while down covering the protests has woken at least a few of them up, big time.
    I posted 2 stories above I've seen just today on harassment of not just black men, but also black children and black women.
    The stories coming out about some of the police officers in Ferguson (mostly abusive, racist rejects from other departments) is appalling.
    But it's long overdue sunshine on a big stain, and it has to be addressed. The question is, what can we do to help the process along? Civilian oversight I think is a good idea, but what do we need to do legislatively?
    Always enjoy your diaries, Egberto!

    If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

    by skohayes on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:54:08 PM PDT

    •  It is true. Same thing happened in the '60s-70s (5+ / 0-)

      Protests.  Journalists found themselves treated as bad as protesters.

      A lot of this sounds like a rerun of what we went through in those years.  We did have things like "sensitivity training" for people in various professions (I was a teacher then) and it was more talked about.  But as is detailed in "Nixonland" by Rick Perlstein, when there was an effort to remedy housing segregation and the consequent school segregation outside the South there was a huge backlash and the Nixon Southern Strategy, GOP became the white people's party etc.

      In the '80s with Reagan it seemed to me lots of former progressives concentrated on their professions and on making money and social issues kind of faded.  That's when I realized that "color blind" for many whites meant not having to think about black people.  Reagan did a lot to change the conversation off of remedying social problems.  

      Things thus were left to fester, and when the working class started to fall behind with globalization and then the dot-com bust and the more recent financial crisis hit the professional classes, it was easy to stir up resentments and for the comfortable people to just forget about everyone else.

      The only thing that might turn it around is if we can join together and help our communities deal with global warming.  Otherwise the forces of darkness are pretty powerful right now.

      Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

      by Mimikatz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:16:03 PM PDT

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  •  "Media" is plural (0+ / 0-)

    It's the plural of "medium."

    "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." George Washington, 1796

    by djny10003 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:56:40 PM PDT

  •  I know that I will get some heat for this (1+ / 0-)
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    but some "facts" assumed are not actual facts. or at least not actual "truth".

    I have seen "facts" presented by those sensitive to the victim and those sensitive to the gunman.  I have seen "facts" turn out to be lies and false assumptions.

    Please only use "facts" for things that are actually KNOWN facts.

    when people assume facts that turn out to be lies or untrue assumptions, they look like liars and/or fools.

    The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

    by gossamer1234 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:04:43 PM PDT

  •  Racial Division? (5+ / 0-)

    I recently posted on Fb a picture of a man hanging in a tree circa 1920 and Michael Brown side by side. A woman (FORMERLY a kind of friend/acquaintance since '01, I think she's de-friended me*shrug*) accused me of 'rabble-rousing' telling me that I could not honestly equate the 2 instances. I let her know she had no right to comment negatively on the Black experience in Amerikkka until she has given birth to a black male.

  •  feel (1+ / 0-)
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    depressed about all this shit.
    it just keeps happening black men killed for being black.
    i fear for my friends and co workers that one day it will be one of them.
    must suck to live your life looking in thr rear view mirror,over your shoulder .not from bad guys but from the people that your tax dollars are givin to ,the ones that are to protect and serve you..

    In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted." Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

    by lippythelion69 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:13:42 PM PDT

  •  Arnold on Happy Days was pretty bad (0+ / 0-)

    Why doesn't the media misrepresent Asians in a similar way?

    "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

    by Utahrd on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:21:10 PM PDT

    •  They did in WWII and the '50s (3+ / 0-)
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      First it was caricatures of "the Japs" who, you may remember, were rounded up on the West Coast and put in concentration camps until the war ended.  During WWII the Chinese were our friends, but then with the rise of Mao they were caricatured in the media.  Think Charlie Chan.  The scariest other shifts from time to time, but there seems always to be one.

      Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

      by Mimikatz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:19:52 PM PDT

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  •  I agree wholeheartedly that the (3+ / 0-)
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    media is an effective tool for demonizing/marginalizing black men, black women, white women, blue collar men, poor people, immigrants, and anyone I left out who's not rich, white and male.  

    What are we going to do?  The noise is dying down.  This will be tucked away until the next racist cop shoots a black man in a city or town that's had enough.  We have to do something, we can't let this drive us into deeper apathy or despair.  

    I'm involved in local politics and I have hope that some change is possible there, but I need to act now.  Hate is killing my country.  I can't just let it be.

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:28:03 PM PDT

    •  local action (2+ / 0-)
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      1.) request a public review of police manuals and training regarding arrests;
      2.) guantee there is civilian oversight and redress for citizen complaints about police activity;
      3.) inquire about the tools in the police department arsenal and
      demand a public policy for the deployment of each these weapons;
      4.) monitor the media, call them out for bias and commend them for fairness; and,
      5.) personally break through the racial and economic boundaries of social interaction in the greater community. Occupied territories like Ferguson have no place in a healthy society.

  •  I have another angle here (0+ / 0-)

    Racial crimes in America today are at an alarming rate.  I have the ability to read and hear about so many white-on-black crimes because I peruse the Internet a great deal and I watch many of the various news media sources in our nation.  

    I am white.  I am a moderate democrat and I try my best not to be "taken in" by numbers and figures that I know can easily be skewed to make a person believe one way when the truth is very different.

    Because of that, I risk being HR'd here for presenting what I read recently that another like-minded democratic friend of mine sent me.  She works with me on many democratic campaigns and we often get a lot of grief when we present facts that are inconvenient like the ones I am about to present here on Daily Kos.  But, it needs to be said.  If two people HR me quick enough, it'll be hidden...and that will be a shame.

    Here's the link:

    •  To compare the hundreds of years (4+ / 0-)
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      of brutality, oppression, and harassment of African Americans by their own government and her citizens to a few white guys getting beat up by mobs is disgusting.
      The fact is, 86% of crimes committed on white people are committed by other white people, but you're more concerned about the 14% getting beat up by black people.
      Why is that, saucer?
      I'm not going to HR you, I think we need to let people see this shit and call it out.

      If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

      by skohayes on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 04:52:48 PM PDT

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      •  Appreciate it, skohayes (0+ / 0-)

        Appreciate not being HR'd by you.

        My post wasn't about the percentages or anything relating to that.  It was about how white-on-black crime in the U.S. gets little-to-no attention and I offered up a legitimate link showing the numbers and incidents.  It's worth reading for people that aren't just interested in seeing one side of this "angle" (as I originally called it in my post above).

        We have a very serious racial problem in our country.  It's not just one sided.  I think that if we just focus on one race being treated unjustly and having problems racially, we're not doing ourselves and most certainly not doing our country justice.

        I hope the readers here DO read the "shit" I've posted (as you call it).  I hope they go to the site I've presented here and read ALL of it.  

        Again, thank you for not putting an HR on me.  I'm not sure everyone will be that gracious, to be honest.

        •  They were basically anecdotes (3+ / 0-)
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          My numbers come from actual crime statistics.
          The plural of anecdote is not "data".
          If you're really concerned about assault on white guys, you should be far more concerned about the other white guys who are committing 86% of the assaults.

          If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

          by skohayes on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:32:49 PM PDT

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          •  Actual statistics (0+ / 0-)

            Black on black crime percentages is above that 86% you're talking about....I'm pretty sure you know that.  In addition, violent crimes in the U.S. are committed by blacks 6 times as much as whites committing violent crimes.

            Now, I know there are reasons for this that involve how blacks and other minorities aren't given a fair shake in many things in our nation today.  I won't argue that...but, facts and statistics that prove one thing negative about one group often are inconvenient when facts and statistics prove equally negative things.  I know, you're going to come back with "show me your statistics"...and I have them but they are from sources you will say are rabidly rightwing and biased and so forth.  

            You seem to know where that 86% of whites being killed by other whites comes from so I'll accept your premise.

            Again...the bottom line is, this whole point I'm making is that we see the mainstream media,  Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and even the president involved when a black is killed by a white but when the opposite happens.  

            It's not overlooked by even many of we more intelligent, moderate-leaning democrats.  

            •  Financial crimes are overwhelmingly committed by (4+ / 0-)

              White people.  Often rich white people.  They steal orders of magnitude more than black people.  And are rarely prosecuted.  Why be more afraid of enduring statistically unlike violent crime by a black person rather than a financial crime by your bank or some other institution or person?

              Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

              by Mimikatz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 06:55:07 PM PDT

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              •  How about that young man (0+ / 0-)

                who killed 4 people in a drunk driving accident and got probation, because the judge said he suffered from "Affluenza"?
                I wonder how many black drivers charged with DUIs get probation after getting in a wreck that killed 4 other people?

                If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

                by skohayes on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:49:47 PM PDT

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            •  The statistics for crime (1+ / 0-)
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              are easy enough to find without going to your favorite racist sites.
              One thing the real statistics will tell you is that even though whites commit crimes at similar rates as African Americans, far more AAs are arrested and convicted than white people.

              If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

              by skohayes on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 03:54:01 AM PDT

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              •  Late replying here (0+ / 0-)

                I don't have any "favorite racist sites".  That is a little over the top, skohayes.

                I do agree with you and understand the problem our country has with incarcerating far more blacks than whites for similar crimes.  It's a tragedy that we see this and if I had an answer to it, I'd suggest it, but, alas, I don't.  I do know it's a problem and wrong.  Can't say any more than that.

                But, only pointing out the tragedy that exists when a black teen is killed by a white cop in very questionable circumstances and ignoring that same thing when a white teen is killed by a black cop is equally tragic.  That's my whole point...and has been from the start of the conversation.

    •  Re: Another angle (0+ / 0-)

      Of course there is black-on-white crime.  However, the difference is that such crime is not perpetrated by the power structure of this country, which is still majority white.  Black-on-white crime is almost always lower-class criminals doing their thing.  White-on-black crime often involves police and/or related authorities (prison guards, for example) as the perpetrators.

  •  Very few Americans, today (2+ / 0-)
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    would be comfortable living with the unvarnished truth of their history. In fact, many would be shocked.  

    In 1619 the White Lion, a Dutch ship seized 20 enslaved Africans from a Spanish ship defeated in battle. The White Lion tied up at Jamestown, VA for repairs and traded African slaves to the Colonials for food and supplies.

    There were slaves in America when it took its first breath and the English settlers conveniently decided that their enlightened English Common Law did not apply to slaves because the slaves were not English.

    From the beginning our story has been one of violent rapaciousness, elimination and subjugation  of indigenous people and capitalist exploitation of every successive wave of foreign immigrants.

    Any American who believes that America is some great refuge for freedom-loving people should take the time to study their history carefully to learn just how badly the Irish, Italians and Chinese immigrants, to name a few, were treated for generations.  

    It wasn't so very long ago that we watched our Japanese-American fellow citizens rounded up, stripped of all property and interned indefinitely without benefit of due process.

    American history has been so sanitized and revised, by the likes of political charlatans like Glenn Beck and David Barton that very little relationship to reality survives.

    With new media like cable news and opinion mills, Americans can pretty well shop around for the foundational stories that suit them.  Meanwhile we all become more and more disconnected with reality and each other.

    What fresh hell is this? D. Parker

    by BetteNoir on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 06:04:07 PM PDT

    •  Overwhelming majority of whites (1+ / 0-)
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      will say its ancient history so don't try to pin it on me. I am white and hear this constantly. It wont change in Mg lifetime. Ill be 60 in February.

      •  Re: overwhelming majority of whites (0+ / 0-)

        lorikrtsynmattjulie wrote:

        Overwhelming majority of whites will say its ancient history so don't try to pin it on me. I am white and hear this constantly. It wont change in My lifetime. Ill be 60 in February.
        If everything was fine today, that would wash.  Unfortunately, it is today's problems that concern us--the fact that black men are frequently killed by the police for no reason, that black men are stopped and harassed by police for no reason while white men are not.

        I'm 61.  I have lived in New York City since the mid-1970's.  I have never been stopped and frisked by the police, even though my work has frequently taken me to minority neighborhoods.  Of course, I am a white male....

        •  Im talking about Slavery / Jim Crow (0+ / 0-)

          There will always be racism or religious fanatacism in this world.
          For the most part men (some woman) must cant control their impulses.

          It cuts across races. Black on black violent crime is ss much an issue if not more than police suppression. Police suppression IMO has a better chance of being resolved than BOB violent crime or white mass murdering.

  •  Puppeteers and the media (0+ / 0-)

    We need to understand PROJECTION. When the Oligarchs pass on information to the puppeteers They are projecting their feelings, fears onto a race they will receive the least retribution from. The Oligarch are the rich thieves, the liars, who are too lazy and ignorant to work for a living. I remember a comic strip with Odie the dog and Garfield the cat. The dog was standing in front of a mob of angry people, pointing in the direction of the alleged thief. Garfield said "did anybody think the dog might be the thief?"
     Instead of thanking and praising him for being a good patriot pointing out who the thief is, ask him how he knows.

  •  Despite the fact that pandering is very similar (0+ / 0-)

    to pimping, we accept those politicians and media sources that cater to our weaknesses. Most of this is done on the right and far right of the political spectrum although some pandering does take place on the left. The challenge is for us to reject those who pander.

    I have been registered to vote since 1972. I have been registered as non-party. I voted for George McGovern in 1972 and when I lived in Vermont I voted for Jim Jeffords when he was a republican. Today I live in northwest Arizona near Lake Meade and Lake Mohave. Although I'm disabled I'm still an avid outdoorsman. This area of Arizona is a tea party hotbed so voting here for me is an exercise in futility, however I still vote. The Arizona primary is Tuesday so I voted early, last week. Despite the fact that I am friends with one of the people running for an open seat in the republican primary for county supervisor and know him to be a person of high integrity, I voted democrat. Even though I know that voting democrat in this area of Arizona is an exercise in futility I will not vote for anyone who has to pander to the tea party factions to get elected.

    The republican party today simply reenforces the old saying that in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. By catering to the emotional weaknesses of blind white people, the republican party has abdicated any right of its members to govern. Despite the fact that there are still some republicans out there of high integrity, republicans aren't all like Rick Perry, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, and Bobby Jindal, their need to pander to the tea party factions has left them morally adrift at sea unable to find their moral bearings. Unfortunately the same must be said of those on the democratic side who pander to Wall Street financiers.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

    by harris stein on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 06:53:54 PM PDT

  •  newtown should have been a learning platform too (1+ / 0-)
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    often lumped into the "media" label is talk radio but that's a mistake.

    just listen to any local or national blowhard weight in on these national learning platforms and multiply the ignorance and hate and well coordinated talking points by 1200 radio stations blasting that peopaganda all day to know why these events are short circuited before thtey can stimulate a fact based democratic reaction toward reform.

    talk radio is the dominant media in the process of short circuiting the feedback mechanisms that result in reform but the left continues largely to ignore it

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 07:37:01 PM PDT

  •  White people "find", black people "loot". (5+ / 0-)

    Definition of Pyrrhic Victory...
    Rose Tyler: "Doctor, they've got guns."
    Dr Who: "And I haven't. Which makes me the better person, don't you think? They can shoot me dead but the moral high ground is mine."

    by JayFromPA on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 07:40:47 PM PDT

  •   We think it's the twenty-first century and (0+ / 0-)

    we're beyond this, but it's nothing more than  the white plantation owners pitting the poor whites against the black slaves. It's just another cycle of the same ugly, brutal dance.

  •  If the powers that be can keep us busy fighting... (1+ / 0-)
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    out of left field

    If the powers that be can keep us busy fighting each other over race, religion, politics or whatever, then they know we'll be focusing less attention on their hands in the cookie jar.

  •  The MSM - ALL of it - is our enemy. (n/t) (0+ / 0-)

    twitter: @Timeslayer_

    by Timeslayer on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 08:47:42 PM PDT

  •  It's a 400 year & ongoing campaign to (0+ / 0-)

    create fear & racial animus in the majority white sect. White abuse is so easy when your target is black & foreign & don't know who they are or where they come from other than a place called "Africa".

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 05:03:26 AM PDT

  •  It's never too early to begin misrepresenting them (1+ / 0-)
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    either - even a four year old African American child is fair game to be painted as an enthusiastic neophyte criminal. If you want to see a particularly egregious example of media manipulation and bias against black males regardless of their age,

    Check this out-

    WBBM Distorts Child Interview

    This pathetic excuse of a "reporter" was interviewing a black  4 year boy about witnessing neighborhood gun violence and asked whether he(the little boy) was going to avoid guns when he got older and was informed by the little boy that no, he was "going to have me a gun!"

    After showing the clip, the anchor informs us "That is very scary indeed"

    Too bad about editing out the part about WHY the 4 year foresaw a gun in his future- he wanted to be a policeman!

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 05:52:10 AM PDT

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