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Toby Helm and Martin Chulov of the Guardian an write an article entitled US 'set to launch air strikes' on senior Isis terror chiefs in Syria, which reports that the U.S. and EU countries  are putting pressure on Turkey to stop the movements of jihadists across its border to oppose Assad of Syria.

The United States was said to be considering air strikes aimed at eliminating individual leaders of Islamic State as Turkey came under mounting pressure to stem the flow of jihadists across its border into Syria.

As Washington on Saturday debated extending air strikes into Syria, senior British politicians urged Ankara to act to block recruits from the UK and other countries from entering Syria via Turkey, en route to joining Islamic State (formerly Isis). This weekend large numbers of Isis jihadists were trying to secure greater control of the border area, pushing northwards in armoured trucks looted from abandoned Iraqi military bases.

Isis wants to establish dominance in the area to make it easier for potential recruits to gain safe passage and to allow the movement of vital supplies, including weapons and oil. The route has been used by most of the foreign fighters who have joined the cause, and is believed to have been taken by several hundred of those who have joined Isis from the UK.

I haven't had a chance to carefully study the recent developments in Iraq and the Islamic State but already have mixed feelings due to a concern that  neocons will find a way to drag the U.S. back into a major war in this region to continue their long-held plan to 're-engineer' the Middle East. If we could be guaranteed these strikes would be of limited duration with specific finite objectives they may contribute to national security objectives.

The article mentions that we also are considering fighting the Islamic jihadist where ever they appear in what appears to be a creeping backslide into a never ending "war on terrorism" where we will have essentially committed ourselves to World War III on Islamic militants no matter what country they reside in without any congressional debate and as if this is no big deal.

We essentially have already done this and the more I think about it the more I oppose it. This seems to be a self-propagating war and insertion of ourselves into a 1,000 old religious war and other battles that if can gain energy independence are really not of primary interest to us and we would not be a primary target of the Islamist militants if we were not attacking them.

I realize this is an oversimplification but I can not approve of an open ended world wide war, which is ended to go on for decades, which creates enemies of people who otherwise may not really care about us, and  and which may violate the sovereign boundaries of perhaps over four dozen countries many of whom might otherwise be our allies.

I no longer trust what any of our political leaders say about matter of foreign policy which seems to have been hijacked once again by neocons.

President Obama's speech at West Point was excellent as a theoretical ambition and framework, however, I am increasing unclear about how our current and recent actual actions, especially the use of a world-wide network of assassination drones is consistent with the espoused aspirations.

Even more sadly, it appears that the Obama administration may represent a "high water mark" of the appearance of any thing remotely like  progressive values in our foreign policy which the neocons may be in the process of successfully locking up for he foreseeable decades after the last two years of Obama's administration.

The train is leaving the station on whatever Democratic-progressive foreign policy paradigm we wish to leave and I fear we have not come close to what should have been, and still be our objectives, but time may have already run out.

Damn, I hate it when things like this happen.  

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  •  Tip Jar (17+ / 0-)

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    by HoundDog on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:50:25 PM PDT

  •  Solution For Everything: Kill (6+ / 0-)

    Repeat as desired.

    •  'Bomb bomb bomb' is not just for John McCain, (5+ / 0-)

      here in the good ole' USA USA USA ?

      BOTH parties in Congress support use of military to fund political cronies sales, and that is f*cked up in so many ways. Countless innocent civilians too often are killed and maimed for Wall Street's MIC greed. Gotta keep that stock price for weapons mfgs UP don't you know!

      Tomgram: William Astore, The Bomber Will Always Get Funded -- and Used
      Posted by William Astore    at 7:43am, August 19, 2014.
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      Bombing Iraq, as retired Air Force lieutenant colonel and TomDispatch regular William Astore indicates today, has become an American pastime.  (These days, you can’t be president without sending in the bombers and drones.)  So let’s try to get our heads around the latest U.S. air strikes in northern Iraq against the forces of the new “caliphate.”  It's a campaign that President Obama has already indicated is likely to go on for months and may soon enough spread south to the Baghdad area. It looks like Washington has finally created the perfect machine for the weapons industry.

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  •  HD, I agree with your reservations (4+ / 0-)
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    but what would it say about us, if we let the IS massacre hundreds, or thousands of helpless innocents? We should not to act alone, but we do need to do something.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:01:05 PM PDT

  •  Please fix the first sentence. Thx. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Yikes that has to be the most problematic sentence (1+ / 0-)
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      I've ever written anywhere. I have no idea how that remaine in the post after I edited it out and replaced it with another at  least two times.

      Thanks Susan.  Wow, what a plopper that was.  

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      by HoundDog on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:18:10 PM PDT

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  •  The Iraqi's don't even know how to retreat (4+ / 0-)
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    One of the key principles of a strategic retreat is to bring all of your equipment with you, or destroy it so that it can't be used by your enemy. We now have ISIS troops in APC's the Iragi's left behind. WTF????????

    "let's talk about that" uid 92953

    by VClib on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:10:36 PM PDT

    •  Excellent point. Gak! (3+ / 0-)
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      Does anyone else get the feeling we'd be better off if we had completely ignored former President George Bush and V.P. Dick Cheney and did absolutely nothing in Iraqi - absolutely nothing.

      I'm wondering if that may be our best option now if we are likely to screw it up even more now.

      The extremist could not possible had done this well on their own.

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      by HoundDog on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:22:10 PM PDT

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    •  IS got a good amount of weapons but (5+ / 0-)

      a good amount of these weapons 'left behind' during the retreat are and have been being sold in the weapons bazaars in Iraqi Kurdistan.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:26:42 PM PDT

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      •  I haven't seen much coverage of this in the US (6+ / 0-)

        media, but it has been reported on quite a lot in the media in the region.

        One of the few US articles related to this subject that I have seen is this one:

        ...

        No one questions the weapons’ provenance. Many are believed to have come from deserters from the Iraqi army in the early days of fighting the Islamic State, then known as ISIS. So many weapons were abandoned at the time, as Iraqi soldiers fled their posts and surrendered Mosul and Tikrit to ISIS, that scavengers collected enough guns to temporarily depress prices.

        ...

        Coy about where his weapons came from, he did say he received ammo by the truckload from civilians who had found them, though it is highly likely they are coming from a variety of sources.

        http://www.foxnews.com/...

        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:32:33 PM PDT

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  •  I support terminating the ISIS leadership (2+ / 0-)
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    by any means possible.

    "let's talk about that" uid 92953

    by VClib on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:11:58 PM PDT

  •  just a thought.. (4+ / 0-)
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    what happens when unfriendly groups start making and sending drones against our "leaders"?

    Its bound to happen.

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    by Karl Rover on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:12:00 PM PDT

    •  We've set the precedent for it. (6+ / 0-)

      Any Osama Bin Ladens of the future can just now declare the Bush-Cheney-Obama Doctrine to justify preemptive attacks on any other nation we feel might threaten us in the future.

      We've trashed international law in a way we will soon greatly regret.

      Following the international rule of law may seem inconvenient now but by advocating the rule of the jungle - might makes right - which is the neocon - Republican view we've established a precedent we will regret for centuries.

      As soon as any other nation defies the  Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as Israel has and obtains nuclear warheads what are we going to do.

      The brilliant idea of the NPT was to promise the countries that did not rush to develop nuclear warheads that they would not be penalized for their restraint and we would collective move towards resolving international conflict by means of the United Nations and the Geneva Conventions.

      Now we're laughing at them. Saying "fooled you suckers!"  

      We are incredible stupid, and short-sighted if we think this is going to end well for us.

      OSL could have declared he was following our lead and the Bush-Cheney-Obama Doctrine had it existed then.

      If you've never read OSL justification for the Twin Towers attack please do so. It is eerie how similar it sounds like George Bush..

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      by HoundDog on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:33:08 PM PDT

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    •  Drones are not difficult (0+ / 0-)

      for a competent military to shoot down.  The Ukrainians have shot down a bunch of Russian ones in the past couple of weeks.

      Radar guided AA has no trouble getting the low flying kinds and high flying kinds can be shot down with antiaircraft SAMs with little or no adjustments.  Antidrone capability has been sought and built into most militaries' antiaircraft systems during the past twenty plus years.  It's probably technically a lot easier to create than anti-cruise missile capability, which has likewise been a priority worldwide since the Kuwait war.

      Drones work great against militaries lacking in means or competences.  Less so against the very competent.

      The way generals think of e.g. the Reaper drone is as an artillery shell with very long range which can loiter in the air and be directed with greater accuracy.  As a battlefield weapon it's a lot less novel and conceptually sexy than amateurs like to think.

  •  The US doesn't have to bomb IS in Syria. (5+ / 0-)

    There is an alternative which is better for the US but it would also be less 'sexy' than dropping bombs and could damage the US ego trip of being the 'world's policeman'.

    Let/encourage/help/ignore Russia supply Syria with more aircraft and bombs and let/encourage/help/ignore Iran supply technical support, including pilots.

    And the US could supply a little intelligence 'under the table' too.

    IS could be dealt a serious blow in Syria in a relatively short time.

    And this would also deny propaganda opportunities ('the US is bombing Muslims') that IS would definitely try to use to recruit and build its 'brand'.

    The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
    Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

    by InAntalya on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:14:45 PM PDT

    •  Not gonna happen. (0+ / 0-)

      Don't confuse what American generals want to do with what the American politicians who command them want as outcomes.  

      You seem unaware of how vulnerable Assad's forces have become on the ground.  It's obscured by the seeming effectiveness of his air force against the small militias without antiaircraft weaponry.

      •  I am aware (0+ / 0-)
        You seem unaware of how vulnerable Assad's forces have become on the ground.
        of how the battle momentum has swung back and forth during the past three years.

        You seem to be unaware of how vunerable IS(ISIS) is on the ground to certain tactics which have been used against them.

        There are tactics which work against IS(ISIS).

        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 02:45:37 AM PDT

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        •  I'll bet on strategic victories (0+ / 0-)

          outweighing and reversing tactical victories any day.

        •  Islamic State 'seizes' Tabqa Airbase (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.bbc.com/...

          "Syrian state television confirmed that government troops had lost control of the base.  "After heavy fighting by the forces defending the Tabqa airbase, our forces implemented a regrouping operation after the evacuation of the airbase," it said."

          My guesstimate is that the Assad regime has maybe 3-6 months of life left.

          •  What is the significance of Taqba (0+ / 0-)

            to your guesstimate?

            Do you know where Taqba is and the history of the area around Taqba?

            The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

            by InAntalya on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 10:44:06 AM PDT

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    •  Already doing that (0+ / 0-)

      Russia already supplies Syria with weapons.  The only weapon in Syria's arsenal that we've limited is chemical weapons.  Iran already supplies technical support, advice and some troops to Iraq (and Syria for that matter).  The US already supplies intelligence support to Iraq, I'm sure.

      Encouraging more Iranian participation in Iraq isn't advisable in the long run, it'll only encourage more Sunni opposition.

      Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

      by Sky Net on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 02:33:16 AM PDT

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      •  Notice I wrote 'more'. (2+ / 0-)
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        As to this:

        Encouraging more Iranian participation in Iraq isn't advisable in the long run, it'll only encourage more Sunni opposition.
        You seem to think that more US participation won't. US participation is more provocative than Iranian participation.

        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 02:55:01 AM PDT

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      •  Some of the most important Shia sites are in Iraq (0+ / 0-)

        Shias go to Iraq from all over, and protection of the sites and the pilgrims is a major issue to the government (and probably many of the people) of Iran.

        Iran WILL be involved in Iraq, count on it.

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        by leftykook on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 07:21:17 AM PDT

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    •  We could deliver food, water, and medicine too. (0+ / 0-)

      You know, help them without the bombing part.

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      by k9disc on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:51:50 AM PDT

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  •  I don't think I can take one more thing this week. (5+ / 0-)

    Now this. Ugh.

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    by cany on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:17:21 PM PDT

  •  Who might these 'neocons' be? Name names. (2+ / 0-)
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    You can only live of Bush for so long, and that sell-by date has long gone, what with Kerry, Rice, Powers, et. al.

    ...due to [sic] a concern that  neocons will find a way to drag the U.S. back into a major war
    ...which seems to have been hijacked once again by neocons.
    And what might that paradigm be? I think the train is leaving the station wiout a passenger.
    The train is leaving the station on whatever Democratic-progressive foreign policy paradigm we wish to leave and I fear we have not come close to what should have been/blockquote>
    •  Easy to be cynical, no? Sure, based on results, (2+ / 0-)
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      our Dem leadership from Obama on down is mostly neo-con. Fact.

      But there are Dems in Congress who vote for a different paradigm.

      Remember this, not so long ago? Democrats Face Syria Strike Divide

      WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's pursuit of a military strike in Syria has put congressional Democrats and party leaders around the country in a tough spot.

      They face loud opposition from war-weary constituents at home and are wary of being pulled into another foreign conflict. But they also are confronted with grim images from Syria of gassed children and the pleas of a president from their own political party to consider the consequences of inaction.

      Breaking from Democrats' long history of being the party typically opposed to military conflict, Obama is pushing for a limited military strike in Syria in response to President Bashar Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have rallied behind him.

      But some liberal and moderate Democrats, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan fresh in their minds, have begun joining dozens of conservative Republicans registering their opposition. And many rank-and-file Democrats are undecided on whether to support a congressional resolution for military action, questioning whether it would turn the tide in a bloody civil war, whether it's in the U.S. national interest and whether it would prompt Assad to retaliate with more chemical weapons.

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      by divineorder on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 10:40:11 PM PDT

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    •  There's a neocon under every bed! (1+ / 0-)
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      Seriously, too many people here want to blame every policy difference on some shadowy evil group that's supposedly burrowed away in the government somewhere.  It's frankly embarrassing.

      Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

      by Sky Net on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 11:38:04 PM PDT

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      •  Yea, there's a Neo-McCarthy movement that is (0+ / 0-)

        focused on Neo-Cons in government.

        You can tell with all the anti-war propaganda and our massive reduction in military expenditures and expeditions.

        "Supposedly burrowed away in the government somewhere."

        Seriously?

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        by k9disc on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 03:56:21 AM PDT

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  •  ISIS barbarians getting blown up won't make me (1+ / 0-)
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    too sad, but...
    Blowback is a bitch & so unpredictable.

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    by rasbobbo on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 10:06:13 PM PDT

  •  Isis is not a popular resistance movement, nor is (0+ / 0-)

    it a sovereign state with a legitimate, internationally recognized government.

    It's a criminal organization composed of Islamist extremist mercenaries. It was hatched by Saudi and Qatar (possibly with our connivance) to destabilize Syria. It hijacked popular Syrian protest against Assad, fomenting a vicious sectarian war, with the intention of impeding the projected Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline.

    When these Qatar and Saudi-funded mercenaries failed in their task of dislodging Assad they morphed into Isis and turned to the softer target of Iraq.

    These are criminal fanatics and have been responsible for endless butchery and the intentional extermination of minorities - Shia, Turkmen, Christians, Yazidis...

    The only way out is for this criminal organization to be wiped out completely. We should cooperate with Syria, Iraq and Iran to do so.

    Here's a very interesting account from a few minutes ago
    http://therealnews.com/...

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 10:34:11 PM PDT

    •  "The only way out" oh please. Really? (4+ / 0-)
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      As you know there are many other options, and the use of 'naked aggression' is the one that will surely the most likely to blow up in our face.

      Consider Bacevich's argument, here:

      Is there anything worse than Isis? Bomb them and we'll soon find out

      No doubt the 'Islamic State' poses some danger. Direct western intervention will only make it more dangerous
      144 Comments    Andrew J. Bacevich 16 August 2014

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      by divineorder on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 10:46:11 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, right. (0+ / 0-)

      In fact ISIS is pretty hard at work in Syria.  
      http://www.theguardian.com/...

      "Islamic State extremists rampaging through Iraq have now turned their sights back towards Syria, where only a besieged airbase stands between the terror group and a rush for the Mediterranean coast that could split the country in two.

      "The attack on the Tabqa airbase in eastern Syria comes as Isis continues to move back towards areas it controlled north of Aleppo until February. Using weapons the group looted from abandoned Iraqi military bases, Isis has returned with a vengeance to the area, stunning regional powers with its rapid advances."

      Assad forces are badly worn down and bled out by all accounts.  They can only focus on one town/city at a time and need a huge amount of bombing and artillery to prevail.  ISIS really just has to smash up the remaining front line Assad units- less than 10,000 men- and the Assad regime has to crumble.

      The Iraqi minorities are largely targets of opportunity.  They live in the plains of the Euphrates and Tigris which were historically Assyrian/Aramaean tribal lands.  The native 'Sunnis' are the descendants of those peoples, they're behaving as if they want exclusive possession of these lands.   There are terroristic acts, instigating flight of the non-Sunni, but there don't appear to be actual indicators of genocide aka extermination.  ISIS doesn't pursue the groups it terrorizes once they have fled the lands ISIS wants.

      The oil pipeline stuff is nonsensical.  The U.S. stopped being a cheap oil based economy back in the 1990s and early 2000s; its interest now is not in control of sources but low prices- a situation of global supply meeting or exceeding global demand.  The undue/excessive strategic and economic valuation of particular sources of oil and oil pipelines these days traces to Moscow, i.e. a narcissistic/grandiose petrostate with a cheap oil economy in the present.  The American economy in fact obtains petroleum from Canada, the U.S. itself, Venezuela, and Nigeria.

      The ethnic groups of the region- north of the Jerusalem-Kuwait line- are redrawing nation-state boundaries and have not needed American prompting to do so.  It's what they want, it's trending toward inevitable.

      I doubt very much that Washington will conform to Teheran's and Moscow's desires to destroy ISIS and save Assad.  Washington will encourage ISIS to destroy Assad first.

    •  recent estimate - (0+ / 0-)

      20 UK citizens per week join ISIS / IS to fight for them.

      another recent estimate - foreign fighter influs is about 1/7th of total recruiting of IS (leaving 6/7th local).

      this isnt a small gang of people who you can kill and then its gone, this is a political phenomenon, and unless you have a political concept for the region and its people, no amount if killing will make it go away.

  •  I'm surprise they haven't already sent missiles... (0+ / 0-)

    ....if they knew where they were.

    Probably too late by now.

  •  We should. (3+ / 0-)
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    More human lives will be saved by disabling ISIS through targeted attacks on military assets than by standing idly by while watching ISIS slaughter religious minorities.

    I abhor violence yet I do not support ignorant pacifism in the face of imminent evil.  

    Have you noticed the dearth of civilian casualties by US drone strikes in Iraq lately?  They are targeting captured military assets from the Bush administration -- destroying them in the field.

    Good.

    With Syria we have to be more careful, but bombing our own captured equipment is a no brainer.

    I do not believe in sitting idly by while religious thugs extort and kill minorities.  If drones help I am all for it.

    Better drones than watching children being buried alive... and don't pretend that this is not the choice our President is facing

    The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

    by tecampbell on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 01:50:37 AM PDT

  •  Obama has won every argument on civil liberties (2+ / 0-)
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    and foreign policy on behalf of Republicans.  Again and again he's rehabilitated discredited Republican ideas and made them into bipartisan consensus.   Now Obama is making John McCain look like a prophet by tacitly acknowledging that he believes military withdrawal from Iraq was always too risky.  And he's committing us to an open-ended hot war in Iraq and Syria that will probably drag on for years.   And progressives are applauding this shit.  Endless war and the Bill of Rights permanently suspended in the name of public safety.  This is why I'm third party.   The two-party system no longer has any place for anyone who is anti-war and pro-restoration of the Bill Of Rights.   Democrats pretended to be for these things through the 2008 elections, but it was a lie.

  •  Something has to be done about ISIS (2+ / 0-)
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    It's a shame that the choices are so narrow.  But, the chaos in Iraq and Syria led to these circumstances.

    I find it hard to believe that there won't be an international reaction to ISIS.  They have essentially declared war on the West.  They have money, people and land.  I prefer to see an international coalition deal with them though as we have a tendency to get things wrong when we act on own.

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    by noofsh on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:32:28 AM PDT

  •  In addition to bombing ISIS in Iraq (1+ / 0-)
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    and Syria, let's start legal deportation of ISIS members and supporters back here in the USA and Europe.

    See ISIS public rally at the Hague several weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/...

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